From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jan 11 10:46:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03935 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:45:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA32044 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:43:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:43:02 -0600 Message-Id: <200101111643.KAA32044@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2015 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, January 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2015 In this digest: Re: IN> "Toughness"? Re: IN> LO, it is Kronn (NPC) Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... Re:IN> David Edelstein Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... Re: IN> January 8, 2001 Re: IN> The 8th Virtue [Re: The Redeemers] Re: IN> [New Prince] Urizen, Demon Prince of Grandeur Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... Re: IN> It's EDG's fault. Blame him... Re: IN> LO, it is Kronn (NPC) Re: IN> [New Prince] Urizen, Demon Prince of Grandeur Re: IN> New In Nomine PBEM Re: IN> [New Prince] Urizen, Demon Prince of Grandeur IN> Delusions of Grander [No writeup] (WAS: [New Prince] Urizen, Demon Prince of Grandeur) IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal Re: IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal IN> January 10, 2001 (I apologize in advance) Re: IN> New In Nomine PBEM Re: IN> David Edelstein Re: IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal IN> [ADMIN] Re: New In Nomine PBEM IN> Collecting on a Geas. Re: IN> Collecting on a Geas. Re: IN> It's EDG's fault. Blame him... Re: IN> Collecting on a Geas. Re: IN> The Nature of Loa Re: IN> It's EDG's fault. Blame him... Re: IN> David Edelstein Re: IN> David Edelstein Re: IN> It's EDG's fault. Blame him... Re: IN> David Edelstein Re: IN> The Nature of Loa Re: IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:31:07 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> "Toughness"? At 3:53 PM +0800 1/11/01, Manny Nepomuceno wrote: >I have the blue In Nomine sourcebook. On page 48 it talks about how mortals >can buy Toughness, up to 2 levels of it, at 4 points per level. > >Sounds like a Good Thing, yes? Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anything >about what Toughness DOES. Oiy. It adds to... either ST or "vessel level" when calculating body hits. Argh, I need to dig up the CPG and that arm is supporting a sleeping baby's head... It was errata, sort of. (I didn't have ANYTHING to do with the second printing's addition of errata'ed stuff. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Don't ask why.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:33:18 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> LO, it is Kronn (NPC) ROFL! Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow... I'm glad I wasn't drinking any milk while reading this. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:18:58 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... Whistling in the Dark wrote: > Seriously -- nice. And hm... what *if...* Fragments are actually > made by taking the Forces of Damned Souls, tormenting them and > adding new Forces, destroying the old being but leaving a > malliable demonite in its place? It just seems to fit, and has > the extra effect of making Hell a little more... well, Hellish. From what I know of canon, that is certainly a possible origin of any demonic being. It might even be the preferred one. I don't think any of the books talk much about *where* Demon Princes get the Forces for their creations. (Our own dear Beth wrote a particularly chilly bit of fan-fiction about how Lilith does it.) And, no, I don't have any idea who the Shapiros are. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:21:17 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... Very, um, nice. They sound like they'd be very popular servants. In fact, I don't see quite why they'd be a MINOR band, though It'd be hard to imagine one earning a distinction or a Word. Perhaps they should be classified as sub-demonic, like imps. Having them redeem as relievers makes sense. Earl ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:20:26 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> David Edelstein On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:15:30 -0600 Randy wrote: >Too... difficult.... can't... resist... *g* hey, happy birthday, David! =) best wishes and all that :) -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:51:01 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... At 10:59 AM -0500 1/10/01, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 11:06 AM -0500 1/10/01, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>The Fragments >>("Fraggies, Fraggim") > >Ahhhh! It's Faith! The Shapiros are coming! The Shapiros are coming! Ahhhhh! Good that I didn't make them Fraggles. O:> >(I wonder if anyone outside of JT, Phil, Amy and Mason understand a >thing I'm talking about here.) No. O:> >Seriously -- nice. And hm... what *if...* Fragments are actually made >by taking the Forces of Damned Souls, tormenting them and adding new >Forces, destroying the old being but leaving a malliable demonite in >its place? It just seems to fit, and has the extra effect of making >Hell a little more... well, Hellish. Sounds plausible enough to me. Or maybe it's what happen if you skim off all the Forces from a Balseraph save the Celestial ones, and transplant into the slightly washed and pressed Celestial Forces of a(n ex-)human soul... Knead, roll, let rise, cook at 350F in a Tartarus-design nukerowave... At 11:21 AM -0500 1/10/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Very, um, nice. They sound like they'd be very popular servants. >In fact, I don't see quite why they'd be a MINOR band, though >It'd be hard to imagine one earning a distinction or a Word. >Perhaps they should be classified as sub-demonic, like imps. >Having them redeem as relievers makes sense. If they take more work to create than the usual demon, and only Malphas has the recipe (maybe it requires one of _his_ Forces to force-fledge it!), then there might not be many of 'em... One- Superior Bands/Choirs are generally going to be considered "minor," I think, unless they're over-running Hell... (Lilim are created only by Lilith, but they work for everyone; if you only find Fraggles in Stygia, they're not really impinging on anyone.) OTOH, if you _like_ them, steal them and make them a major Band. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 2001 08:55:28 -0800 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> January 8, 2001 On Tue, 09 January 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > BTW, the transcript of humming earlier was from that > movie with Robert Redford and Paul Newman as a couple > of grifters. You know: the one with the Scott Joplin > music? :) _The Sting_, I believe. Which would make the music "The Entertainer". I have a phonographic memory. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:31:02 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> The 8th Virtue [Re: The Redeemers] The fun thing about the 8th Virtue is *where* you can locate it. IMC a few years ago it was in "Cheers" (there's a Malak in Seattle hunting for Frasier Crane, now...). This year, it's in this little bar in the Florida Keys run by a chap named Jake Stonebender... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:55:21 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> [New Prince] Urizen, Demon Prince of Grandeur Jo wrote: > > Very nice work, Neel! I'm wondering how exactly does Grandeur lead > souls to the pit? Does he encourage megalomania, or does he just > send his demons out in the world with the instructions "Do Evil, but > in a GRAND way! Then do More Evil!"? Demonic grandeur is an expression of genius and will. The focus is on the self, rather than the community. Viewed through the lens of Grandeur... o an artistic masterpiece is a product of an individual's genius o climbing a mountain demonstrates a will to dare obstacles o a code of honor shows genius turned to self-creation o a scientific discovery shows off the scientist's insight An angel showing mercy to a foe might do so because it feels pity for the person of its enemy. A demon of Grandeur showing mercy to a foe might do so to show off its magnanimity and liberality. An angel showing self-restraint is subordinating its will to a higher moral code. A demon of Grandeur showing self-restraint is demonstrating the strength of its Will over its passions. (It could also abandon all restraint to show the depth and breadth of its passion; a completely free and lawless transcendence is as grand as ultimate self-mastery.) Megalomania is a possible side-effect of this attitude, but it's not mandatory -- it's a commonplace that the best artists have no critic harsher than their own selves. Think of the Romantic ideal of the artist or revolutionary, and you have a good idea of what a stereotypical demon of Grandeur is like. The important thing is that your personal genius should inspire awe in others; your vision should exceed the limits of the possible, should exceed Creation and God. The ideal demon in Urizen's eyes can draw men to Hell merely through existing, as they desire to join it and bask in its genius. (The current Hell is thus a dismal failure in his eyes.) God and Heaven are to be disdained because they encourage you to ignore your personal vision in exchange for an external morality. One's own will should determine the limits of your striving, not the dictates an external authority. This is all stolen from William Blake's _The Marriage of Heaven and Hell_. Urizen is actually the name of the evil genius-stifling demiurge in the _Book of Urizen_, but I liked his name so I used it to create an NPC with the opposite agenda. :) Marc wrote: > > Thanks, Jo. Now I can only picture Urizen as "Doctor Evil." Hey, my grand unified theory of In Nomine GMing holds that it's vital for any demon to be a potentially comic figure. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:59:32 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... Oooooh, I like, I like very much. The *possibilities*... Okay, let's see...you, Hungrin, you are...let's see...Uriel. Right. You are an Archangel. Stiff. Angry. Got some kind of thing up your...ahem. And you, Belswoth, you're...you're Uriel too. Commander of Heaven's Armies. Yes, exactly the same. And you, Lin-lin, you're Uriel too. And so are you, Vorchek. Now all of you go to this address here. It's a Tether of the Sword. Ask for Laurence, introduce yourselves nicely, and ask to go home. :) Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:35:39 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Another Insomnia Special... At 2:59 AM +0800 1/12/01, Manny Nepomuceno wrote: >Oooooh, I like, I like very much. > >The *possibilities*... > > >Okay, let's see...you, Hungrin, you are...let's see...Uriel. Right. You [...] >Now all of you go to this address here. It's a Tether of the Sword. Ask >for Laurence, introduce yourselves nicely, and ask to go home. > Note to self: stop giving Kobal Fragments. Lose more Fraggies that way... O:) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:44:16 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> It's EDG's fault. Blame him... In a message dated 1/5/01 9:32:05 PM, moelane_1999@yahoo.com writes: >Haliel is now gracing a park (and local officials are >still trying to figure out how it got there: they >certainly didn't _order_ a large black monolith). >Naturally, Haliel turned on its Malakite Attunement >right from the start, and hasn't turned it off since. >Despite the intentions of David, the angel isn't too >displeased: it's actually quite restful, just sitting >in the park. Up until some bozo moves him onto a swampy island in the middle of a lake... *snicker* Then the humans move him back... Kyrio ping-pong! Mark (Who works in Seattle...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:39:09 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> LO, it is Kronn (NPC) Prodigal wrote: > > From: "Manny Nepomuceno" > > > Kronn* > > Renegade Impudite of Nightmares > > Demon of Dreams of Oreos > > If I had been drinking anything while I read this, it would have > joined the Lightbringer's milk. Wonderful! What he said. This was great. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:06:18 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> [New Prince] Urizen, Demon Prince of Grandeur
>Demonic grandeur is an expression of genius and will. The focus is on
>the self, rather than the community.
>
>Viewed through the lens of Grandeur...
>
>o an artistic masterpiece is a product of an individual's genius
>o climbing a mountain demonstrates a will to dare obstacles
>o a code of honor shows genius turned to self-creation
>o a scientific discovery shows off the scientist's insight
>

Maybe it's just me, but isn't that more under the relm of Pride. Don;t get me wrong, I love the character and all. Very cool, I was just thinking though.

Daniel

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------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:28:38 -0800 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> New In Nomine PBEM I'd love to be involved. Please send me the information. I'll probably play a Kyriotate of Yves. I had an idea I've been tossing around a bit. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyto Alba To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: IN> New In Nomine PBEM > Greetings. > > I am looking for players for my new In Nomine > PBEM. There is a teaser at > > http://www.pbem.com/new/newCross-Genre.html > > and a website for the campaign at > > http://www.netrover.com/~nkhsin > > The game involves investigating, and acting on, rumours that someone high up in Hell's heirarchy > wishes to defect. The game is broad enough in scope that there is room for almost any kind of character. > > Let me know if you are interested. > > > tyto a. > > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:36:27 -0600 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> [New Prince] Urizen, Demon Prince of Grandeur At 12:26 AM -0500 01/09/01, wrote: > Urizen > Demon Prince of Grandeur > [...] "Urizen?" the Balseraph asks. His lips crack into a condescending sneer. "Ah yes. Impudite of the War?" He smiles. "He's my best work yet!" - The Marquise of Delusions of Grandeur A Balseraph has done the impossible. Through clever manipulation, he's managed to convince an Impudite of the War that he was elevated to the Principality of Grandeur. (Naturaly, with a little help from an Infernal Intervention.) In truth, the Impudite hasn't really changed -- he just _believes_ he's changed. Sooner or later, the Impudite is going to snap out of the pretty delusion he lives in. Though don't expect that to happen anytime soon! Why is Kobal furious? Because he didn't think of this before! [Nice piece of work Neel. Keep it up, 'cause I _know_ you'll go far! };;;>] Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:52:32 -0600 From: "Tafka J." Subject: IN> Delusions of Grander [No writeup] (WAS: [New Prince] Urizen, Demon Prince of Grandeur) At 12:26 AM -0500 01/09/01, wrote: > Urizen > Demon Prince of Grandeur > [...] Even though a write up _does_ exist (and some people have seen it), I'm keeping the Demon of Delusions of Grandeur private. He's like my pet character (even if I will probably never use him), and to share him means that I'd lose him forever. Though I _suppose_ I can taun. . . er, tease you all with this: He's a 'Balakite'. He was created about the same time as the Demon of Sorcery. He's got 4-7 Word Forces. The writeup has him as a Baron (not a Marquise). He's not evil, just misunderstood. He's the one who called his sibling "Hattie". Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:05:55 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal - -*-*-*- Alex Ethereal Corporeal Forces 3 -- Strength 5 Agility 7 Ethereal Forces 3 -- Intelligence 5 Precision 7 Celestial Forces 2 -- Will 5 Perception 3 Vessel: Human Female/2 (Charisma +3, killer sex-kitten) Skills: Fighting/6, Guns/5, Stunt Driving/4, Looks Good in Leather/6, Dodge/5, Songs: Ethereal Form/2 Discord: Obsession/3 (Must obey archetype) Quote: "No, they're not silicon. Dammit." Appearance: Alex manifests on Earth as a young woman in her early twenties. Her ethnicity is whatever you need for the story, but inevitably she is clad in highly revealing leather outfits. Sometimes she has a black trenchcoat over it. Sometimes not. Usually she has a gun, and often a sword (a katana, natch) as well. Story: Alex is an Ethereal with a problem. Once upon a time, she drew her Essence from the concept of the warrior maid. Dreams about warrior women -- like Joan of Arc, the Maid of Orleans; Boudicea, rebel against Rome; and Elizabeth I, the Virgin Queen of England -- sustained her and gave her form. It was not a huge niche, but it was hers, and if she was not real in the same sense that humans and celestials were, at least she could look in a mirror every day with some satisfaction about who she was. Unfortunately, the last several decades have been very unpleasant for her. Historical knowledge has declined in the West (where most of the figures she drew on existed), and in its place the corrupted discourse of the Media had grown like cancer. She found that the Essence flowing to her no longer was full of the heroic figures of history, but rather of characters from movies and comic books. She was receiving the Essence of what dull teenage boys wished women were like -- interested in kung fu, sports cars and explosions, but with breasts too. Worse still, it was *changing* her. Knowing six different ways to kill someone with her hands tied behind her back was useful, to be sure, but not at the price of a wardrobe that looked like a complete catalog of bondage gear. And changing from a heroic protector of the people into a brooding loner and assassin was positively horrifying. If she had had the chance, she would have sought out and challenged some Malakite of Dreams, or perhaps one of the Tsayadim, and gotten a clean, honorable death. Unfortunately for her, before she could do any such thing a demon of Nybbas discovered her and notified its boss, who *personally* decreed that she was The Next Big Thing. Now she finds herself hunted across Earth and the Marches, slowly trading away the remnants of her integrity by performing "work" in exchange for the guns and money she needs to escape the killers and camera crews that Nybbas has sent after her. Even the Marches are no refuge -- Beleth was amused at the destruction of an honorable ethereal, and in a rare show of cooperation permitted Nybbas's demons entry into her domain to pursue Alex. At this point, of course she is going to crash into the PCs. You know the cliches; go have fun with them. ("Of course we're going to end up in bed. You've got a leather jacket and cool shades. Don't think I'll love you because I like or respect you, though -- it's just the rules and I have to follow them.") - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:31:21 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal >From: >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:05:55 -0500 (EST) > > >-*-*-*- > >Alex >Ethereal An unfourtunate victim of the dumbing down of western civilization if ever one existed. Bradley Paranial, Elohite Freind of the Sword, who likes Alex but will kill her anywho, cause, orders are orders. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:03:55 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 10, 2001 (I apologize in advance) The net.book is sucking away all my free time*. There's still no excuse for this, though. ;) Moe *Join! :) There once was a Saint they called Dermot, Who spent mortal life as a hermit, But now he serves Eli, And shares his Rite freely; The last time with ethereal Kermit. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:11:36 -0800 From: "Amanda Bowyer" Subject: Re: IN> New In Nomine PBEM - -- On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:07:49 Tyto Alba wrote: >Greetings. > >I am looking for players for my new In Nomine >PBEM. There is a teaser at > >http://www.pbem.com/new/newCross-Genre.html > >and a website for the campaign at > >http://www.netrover.com/~nkhsin > >The game involves investigating, and acting on, rumours that someone high up in Hell's heirarchy >wishes to defect. The game is broad enough in scope that there is room for almost any kind of character. > >Let me know if you are interested. > > >tyto a. Hiya, I don't know if you got my first email, but I'd like to play a Mercurian of Yves. Mandy Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:06:15 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> David Edelstein Happy Birthday! :) Manny Neps on 1/10/01 11:15 PM, Randy at barenhart@hotmail.com wrote: > Too... difficult.... can't... resist... *g* > > After all the gifts that Mr Edelstein has given us, work on various and > sundry both in the In Nomine line and here on the list, I would like to pass > on the gift of best wishes on this.... his birthday. Knowledge is a terrible > thing... allows you to know little things like that. Must have been > Raphael's Remnant. *g* > > Randy > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:34:53 -0000 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal > Alex > Ethereal I needed a super-hero cliche-ed Ethereal for my next campaign. She's perfect. Consider her stolen! Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:37:30 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Re: New In Nomine PBEM Everyone, M. Alba's email is on the initial post, and it's tyto.alba@eudoramail.com. PLEASE respond to him in PRIVATE EMAIL. I was hoping only a few people would be so unthinking as to spam the list, but over half a dozen seem to have just hit "reply" without realizing that they're just sending noise to everyone who _isn't_ Tyto Alba. Thank you, and don't make me start sending everyone nasty little email messages reminding them to read www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html. - -- Beth, List Admin >On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:07:49 Tyto Alba wrote: >>Greetings. >> >>I am looking for players for my new In Nomine >>PBEM. There is a teaser at >> >>http://www.pbem.com/new/newCross-Genre.html >> >>and a website for the campaign at >> >>http://www.netrover.com/~nkhsin [...] >>Let me know if you are interested. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:44:29 -0500 From: Ben Pollack Subject: IN> Collecting on a Geas. Not having access to some of the Revelations books right now -- I know that advanced Lilim mechanics are discussed in one of them -- I consider this rather a puzzler at this time, and I'm wondering what the collective thought processes are out there right now: You're a Lilim. You fulfill a Need. Your target, being a rather sly angel, with 20/20 Hindset, figures out not from the Need fulfilling but from something else that you are a Demon; based on the Need fulfilling, he then realizes that you are a Lilim. He begins, at that point, to avoid you like the plague. How do you collect? Do you mail the guy a seemingly anonymous letter that reveals your identity partway through once he's already started reading it? Do you wake him with a late night phone call after tracking down his unlisted number? Do you e-mail him? In short, must Geas hooks be called in face-to-face? I'm a little nervous about allowing for unrestricted use of Geas hooks outside of a face-to-face setting, personally, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. Any ideas -- even if just to tell me I'm being silly and paranoid with my fears -- are appreciated. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:11:17 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Collecting on a Geas. At 7:44 AM -0500 1/11/01, Ben Pollack wrote: >How do you collect? Do you mail the >guy a seemingly anonymous letter that reveals your identity partway through >once he's already started reading it? Do you wake him with a late night phone >call after tracking down his unlisted number? Do you e-mail him? Phone call, pop up in front of him with a new vessel of Celestial Song of Form in effect, or the ever-popular Celestial Song of Tongues. O:> >In short, must Geas hooks be called in face-to-face? No, though a letter is very dubious -- it's recorded media. I wouldn't let it work with recorded media, except for Celestial Song of Tongues, which is kinda special. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:53:56 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> It's EDG's fault. Blame him... In a message dated 1/5/01 9:32:05 PM, moelane_1999@yahoo.com writes: > Haliel is now gracing a park (and local officials are > still trying to figure out how it got there: they > certainly didn't _order_ a large black monolith). > Naturally, Haliel turned on its Malakite Attunement > right from the start, and hasn't turned it off since. > Despite the intentions of David, the angel isn't too > displeased: it's actually quite restful, just sitting > in the park. I have trouble believing David's intent could be circumvented with such smirking ease. Easier to imagine David frowning, arms folded, and then we fast-wipe to a Bob's Big Boy somewhere in Minnesota. Focus on the Big Boy statue in front. Pull back, wide shot, fade. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:10:45 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Collecting on a Geas. >In short, must Geas hooks be called in face-to-face? > >I'm a little nervous about allowing for unrestricted use of Geas hooks >outside of a face-to-face setting, personally, but I'm not sure what a good >solution is. Any ideas -- >even if just to tell me I'm being silly and paranoid with my fears -- are >appreciated. > I'd avoid having lilim PCs in a non-face-to-face game unless you trust the players -- it's very easy for a player who is focussed on nothing except collecting IC geases from other PCs to get very out of control on this without a GM around to moderate and find other things for the lilim to do. From a game mechanic point of view, I'd say that any form of contact would probably do. And Lilim _can_ track people on whom they have hooks. (Might be interesting to wonder whether someone else could pose as the Lilim and pretend to demand how the geas should be served.) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:33:26 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> The Nature of Loa In a message dated 1/8/01 8:17:23 PM, thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com writes: >This is why I take such issue with calling any spirit that isn't >an Olympian, Aesir, Faerie, Neter (the proper name for the >Heliopolitans), etc. as a Loa. I'm confused - I thought 'Loa' was the generic In Nomine term for an Ethereal spirit on Heaven's side, just like 'Bodhisattva' is a human soul still active in the Lower Heavens, and 'Saint' is a human soul in a vessel on earth. So my version of Brigit is actually a Loa (messy details on request - I'm still unhapppy with David E. on that one), in spite of being Celtic pantheon origionally. Mark (The Purity Crusade was *her* fault, you see...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:34:06 -0500 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> It's EDG's fault. Blame him... On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 07:53:56AM -0500, Marc Bowden wrote: > I have trouble believing David's intent could be circumvented with > such smirking ease. Easier to imagine David frowning, arms folded, and > then we fast-wipe to a Bob's Big Boy somewhere in Minnesota. Focus on > the Big Boy statue in front. Pull back, wide shot, fade. At least it'll have Zippy to talk to. "Hullo, Haliel-O! Care for a half-chewed HOT-WING (R)?" - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:01:47 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> David Edelstein At 3:06 PM +0800 1/12/01, Manny Nepomuceno wrote: >Happy Birthday! I fell asleep *way* too early last night, so I didn't get to do the extra special writeup that I'd mapped out (which might be for the best, as David could eat me for lunch), so let me add a belated felicitation to David. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:11:37 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> David Edelstein Whistling in the Dark wrote: > I fell asleep *way* too early last night, so I didn't get to do the > extra special writeup that I'd mapped out (which might be for the > best, as David could eat me for lunch), so let me add a belated > felicitation to David. Hey, dude, this is a family list! ;) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:14:45 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> It's EDG's fault. Blame him... - --On Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:34 AM -0500 "Jason F. McBrayer" wrote: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 07:53:56AM -0500, Marc Bowden wrote: > >> I have trouble believing David's intent could be circumvented with >> such smirking ease. Easier to imagine David frowning, arms folded, >> and then we fast-wipe to a Bob's Big Boy somewhere in Minnesota. >> Focus on the Big Boy statue in front. Pull back, wide shot, fade. > > At least it'll have Zippy to talk to. > > "Hullo, Haliel-O! Care for a half-chewed HOT-WING (R)?" > Un zen, zha shcreaming beginz. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Over 1 billion served.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:30:29 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> David Edelstein At 9:11 AM -0600 1/11/01, David Edelstein wrote: >Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> I fell asleep *way* too early last night, so I didn't get to do the >> extra special writeup that I'd mapped out (which might be for the >> best, as David could eat me for lunch), so let me add a belated > > felicitation to David. > >Hey, dude, this is a family list! ;) Dowh! ("What did you get David for his birthday?" "A chance to plant an image in my mind that will haunt me for *weeks,* damn his Habbalite ways....") - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:44:27 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> The Nature of Loa No. It still only refers to Caribean spirits (Voudoun et al.). However, as Loa are virtually the only Ethereals who might work for Heaven (with the possible exception of some dream spirits and maybe elemementals), they might as well be. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:33 AM Subject: Re: IN> The Nature of Loa > > I'm confused - I thought 'Loa' was the generic In Nomine term for an Ethereal > spirit on Heaven's side, just like 'Bodhisattva' is a human soul still active > in the Lower Heavens, and 'Saint' is a human soul in a vessel on earth. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jan 2001 16:35:46 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> [NPC] Alex, Ethereal On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:31 Bradley Paranial wrote: >>From: , Jan 11, 2001, 00:05 EST >>-*-*-*- >>Alex >>Ethereal >An unfourtunate victim of the dumbing down of western civilization >if ever one existed. too true. >Bradley Paranial, Elohite Freind of the Sword, who likes Alex but >will kill her anywho, cause, orders are orders. y'know, that's the sort of thing that always keeps me at arm's length from Laurence. i think it could be vastly entertaining to seed Alex into a Michaelite campaign, with the angels working to help her out while at the same time they run a public awareness campaign to increase support for who and what she was originally. then watch the fun as the Divine Inquisition intervenes... "Why are you helping this ethereal?" "She's not evil, and she's fighting to stay free of Hell. Should we let her die or be corrupted?" ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2015 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.