From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Feb 1 21:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01295 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:51:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA04213 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:54:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:54:12 -0600 Message-Id: <200102020354.VAA04213@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2042 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, February 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2042 In this digest: IN> The Reason for the Fall (was Humans into Demons) Re: IN> The Battle of Asgard Re: IN> Celestial insults IN> Loki (Heaven & Hell SPOILERS) Re: IN> The Reason for the Fall (was Humans into Demons) Re: IN> Celestial insults Re: IN> Celestial insults Re: IN> Celestial insults Re: IN> January 27, 2001 Re: IN> Celestial insults Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. Re: IN> CCA from Graveyard Greg IN> Slightly off-topic Re:IN> January 28, 2001 IN> Reviews of IN Re: IN> January 27, 2001 Re: IN> January 26, 2001 Re: IN> January 28, 2001 Re: IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! Re: IN> January 31, 2001 Re: IN> Celestial insults IN> Natural Ingredients (was Celestial insults) Re: IN> Natural Ingredients (was Celestial insults) IN> FLUFF! (Re: Vassal of Stone.) Fwd: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. Fwd: Re: IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! IN> Awesome angel-drawing tool. IN> Pagan Story Re: IN> Celestial insults IN> On Remnants Re: IN> Pagan Story Re: IN> On Remnants Re: IN> Pagan Story Re: IN> On Remnants Re: IN> Natural Ingredients (was Celestial insults) Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. IN> February 1, 2001 (ML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 01:02:56 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Reason for the Fall (was Humans into Demons) Forgive me David if I highly disagree, this isn't the Prophecy. I imagine most of the Impudites while they disliked the idea of being considered equals of humans were not rebelling because God had made human's "special" they were rebelling because they're evil! Andre may want to have noncommited sexual acts with everything that moved, Belial wanted a word, Kobal wanted to hurt people with his humor not help them, Baal wanted likely to be better than humans or at least something along those lines, Beleth wished to be the terrifyer not the defender because it was her word. Lucifer made up his 99 million thesis and used it as an excuse to try and gain power - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:18:08 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> The Battle of Asgard With regards to Loki, he's something of a curious character. In early myths, he's mostly a good guy, generally siding with the gods; it is only in later stories that he drifts towards random chaos and outright evil. Like most trickster gods, Loki had associations with technology, and this increasing demonization of him by the Norse peoples reflected an attitude that looked down on innovation and technology, as it lead to undesired change, and which thought the use of cunning to be ignoble--a true drengr strode boldly forward to meet his fated doom. Given the way technology has become accepted and continues to advance, particularly in nations such as Finland, most wired country and birthplace of Linux (a very Lokiesque piece of work, if you ask me, in that it took ingenuity to build, and comes in many forms), the modern Loki is quite probably no longer reviled by his people. As such, he'd probably ally with Heaven in the end, though still pull stunts that seemed to hurt his allies on occasion, but which were part of a long-term vision. He'd get along great, ironically enough, with Janus and Jean. Hey, Orc may even be collaborating with him on sly already... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:23:44 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Celestial insults >Everyone knows the standard celestial insults (listed somewhere on >the Steve Jackson Games page), such as "blackwing" for Malakim, >"hyena" for Servitors of Dominic, etc. But I'd like to know if >other players have spontaneously generated their own, as above. Well, some demons call Angels "tea-drinkers", because it is well known that all demons enjoy the caffeinated goodness of strong coffee. Various Malakim, Elohim, Seraphim have on certain occasions been referred to as "broom-receptacles" or "broom-buckets", for some arcane reason involving sticks and bodily orifices. Kobalites might know Seraphim as "straight-men". And, while not technically an insult, the group of demons we had in my first In Nomine game acquired the sobriquet "The Disturbance Brothers" for various spectacularly noisy reasons... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:26:36 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> Loki (Heaven & Hell SPOILERS) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santiago" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Re: IN> The Battle of Asgard > With regards to Loki, he's something of a curious character. [snip] In mythology, yes. In IN... Loki shows up in the "No Dinero" short adventure in the back of "Heaven & Hell", along with Remnant-Thor, and Loki was an absolute sod all through that one. (However, he wasn't allied with Hell... he was going his own way. Indeed, the adventure concerns Loki deciding to have fun by trying to lure the local angels and demons in town into a shooting war, a classic case of "Let's you and him fight!" Loki scorned sides equally, ya see...) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:32:28 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Reason for the Fall (was Humans into Demons) Charles Phipps wrote: > > Forgive me David if I highly disagree, this isn't the Prophecy. You're free to disagree, but the attitudes I described have already been attributed to the Infernals numerous places in canon. > I imagine most of the Impudites while they disliked the idea of being > considered equals of humans were not rebelling because God had made human's > "special" they were rebelling because they're evil! They were neither Impudites nor "evil" before they rebelled. And "They're evil!" is a pretty simplistic and unsatisfying explanation for anyone's behavior, and it's particularly inadequate to explain the Fall. 1/3 of the Heavenly Host decided to rebel because they were just "evil" to begin with? > Andre may want to have> noncommited sexual acts with everything that moved, Belial wanted a word, > Kobal wanted to hurt people with his humor not help them, Baal wanted likely > to be better than humans or at least something along those lines, Beleth > wished to be the terrifyer not the defender because it was her word. You assume that all the Demon Princes to-be already had their diabolical attitudes and motives firmly in place even before they Fell. This is highly unlikely, and also not supported in canon. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:44:45 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Celestial insults At 4:32 AM -0500 2/1/01, Janet Anderson wrote: >Everyone knows the standard celestial insults (listed somewhere on >the Steve Jackson Games page), such as "blackwing" for Malakim, >"hyena" for Servitors of Dominic, etc. But I'd like to know if >other players have spontaneously generated their own, as above. IMC, there's an almost Norse tendency among the Angels to refer to one another by epithets instead of names. Michael is often just referred to as Firstborn, for example, and Novalis as Leafschild. These aren't really insults when passed among the Host, though -- if anything, they're terms of mild respect. 'I know your history,' the message goes when they're used. The "Hyena" for Judgement Servitors, though, isn't used *nearly* as often IMC as in others, it seems. And never, ever to their faces, except by truly clueless Michaelites who haven't figured out that they're doing no one any favors by antagonizing the triads. Even Michael himself tends to be more subtle in his putdowns of Dominic around my Heaven. In Hell, of course, all bets are off. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:02:03 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Celestial insults - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santiago" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: Re: IN> Celestial insults > Well, some demons call Angels "tea-drinkers", because it is > well known that all demons enjoy the caffeinated goodness of strong > coffee. They've never looked at the War camps in the Groves, then. There would be no surer way to destroy Heaven's military readiness than to cut off the coffee supply. (Much a similar condition applies in the US military.) And Gabriel drinks a brand of espresso so caffeinated that they've got to put it in ceramic mugs, 'cause it eats right through metal. *g* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:22:44 -0500 From: "Tyto Alba" Subject: Re: IN> Celestial insults >And Gabriel drinks a brand of espresso so caffeinated that they've got to >put it in ceramic mugs, 'cause it eats right through metal. > >*g* Did you know that that the coffee tree has a lovely flower? An acquaintance of mine is a coffee roaster and claims he is a Cherub of Novalis holding the Word of Coffea Arabica. Speaking of which, isn't opium a flower? tyto a. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:49:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> January 27, 2001 Michael Walton wrote: > Just curious; why limit the holders to a mortal and an > immortal? Why not two Celestials -- or two mortals -- or two > Ethereals -- or a Celestial and an Ethereal -- etc., etc.? Well, if Castor and Polluz are the inspiration, it's because they were fraternal twin heros, born of the mortal queen Leto and Zeus. One twin was mortal, the other immortal (I forget which). When the mortal one died, his brother asked the gods if he could share his immortality with his brother. The request was granted, and the two now spend half their time together in Hades and the other half free in the living world. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:05:01 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Celestial insults Tyto Alba wrote: > Speaking of which, isn't opium a flower? Opium comes from poppies, and there is a specific breed of poppy cultivated for it. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:47:19 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >What happens if he jumps into the grand canyon and hits the > >bottom? > > He breaks his legs from the abrupt de-acceleration (or otherwise > goes squish), or just keeps falling... (IOW, it's not the rocks > that hurt him; it's the _stopping_.) > > >What happens if demons roll a boulder over him? > > He goes "oof." Then he grins. You seem to be trying to differentiate between the rock hitting the vassal and the vassal hitting the rock. But physically they're the same thing. If the vassal hitting the canyon bottom is damaged by the deceleration inside his vessel, then he also ought to be damaged by the ACceleration in his vessel when hit by a rock. I know one can always wave one's hands and say "It's a miracle," but it seems simpler t just decree the vassal is undamaged by any contact with stone. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:21:09 -0800 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> CCA from Graveyard Greg Our spies report that on 10:49 PM 1/31/01 -0500, MarkDEddy@aol.com said: >What he's looking for specifically is product reviews, preferably of recently >released materials Recently released? For some reason, the words "New source material for In Nomine is on hiatus for a while..." stick in my head. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:18:28 -0600 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: IN> Slightly off-topic Sorry that this is a bit off, but... Does anyone here play the Whispering Vault? Horror RPG by Pariah Press/Ronin pub., sadly out of print. It's just that I'm working on an xover between that and IN, and I'd like some other minds to tell me what they think, or possibly playtest. Let me know off the list if you are interested, and the result will go up on my webpage at some future point. thanx, Cthulhu _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 2001 17:42:19 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> January 28, 2001 On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:25:40 -0800 (PST) Maurice Lane wrote: >This one is actually pretty straightforward. :) great job, Moe. i'd think he'd be heavily involved with Flowers and Destiny, but working under Khalid is a good use for Thomas. to me, though, giving him Crown of Joy seems irresistable ;) -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:02:37 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Reviews of IN How recently? I just bought *You Are Here*. I love it. The artwork is some of the best I've seen in the line. And as for the Eighth Virtue and Asmodeus's "Redemption" camp ... Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> January 27, 2001 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:41:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> January 27, 2001 - - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Twin Knives > Just curious; why limit the holders to a mortal and >an immortal? Why not two Celestials -- or two >mortals -- or two Ethereals -- or a Celestial and an >Ethereal -- etc., etc.? I was going back to what I remembered about Castor and Pollux: IIRC, one was a mortal, one was a god (or demigod, or something). Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> January 26, 2001 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> January 26, 2001 - - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Numinous Corpus (Geographical Features) > This is truly wacky! It has some interesting >applications that I hope most players would never >figure out. All in all, I think the scope of this >Song is too great for a Numinous Corpus >- -- I think the Song of Terrain is better. Well, one reason why I made it a NC is because you really can't _do_ anything with it except loom. Sure, the 360 degree vision is nice, and it makes a great hiding spot, but it ain't precisely what you could call uberpowerful. :) > That said, anybody got ideas for the Ethereal and >Celestial versions? ...and that's the other. Song of Stone pretty much handles most neat stuff to do with rocks. Feel free to prove me wrong, of course. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:15:40 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> January 28, 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:14:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> January 28, 2001 On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: >> This one is actually pretty straightforward. :) >Yup. Very well done, of course. The nitpicker in me >must point out that the Corporeal Forces don't match >his Strength and Agility, though. >Probably Str 3, Agi 5, or just 1 Corporeal Force. Ah. That little feature is what we in the amateur biz call a 'mistake': he's supposed to have 2CF. Str 3 Agi 5 sounds about right. Good catch. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:19:25 -0500 From: "EDG" Subject: Re: IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! You wrote: > While this is noncannon I've never seen anything other than flavor to say > that it can't be done only suggestion but it's cool even if it is. http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/faq/#rule-humans-001, which is canon. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> January 31, 2001 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> January 31, 2001 - - --- Maurice Lane wrote: >> Flammable (Ethereal) > WOO-GAH! WOO-GAH! Munchkin Alert! Do Not under >_any_ circumstances let combat monster PC's get a >hold of this. It's a weapon that can't be taken >away, and those with the Celestial Song of Healing >will gladly take the Soul Hits. Oh, I think it balances out, considering that using it is dissonant for a Servitor of Infernal Fire (that's how _I'd_ rule), and the problems users have to _stop_ using it. Any sufficiently evil GM would make sure that all further Discord isn't random, either. Besides, sometimes you gotta give the munchkins a taste of the good stuff. Just a taste, mind, but throwing a bone here and there is a meritorious act. :) > As an aside, I think this one should be a Celestial >Discord. I didn't want to get into the "lack of Essence" problem, considering how fast this Discord can go up to level/6. The poor bugger will have enough trouble as is. Feel free to change to suit, though. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:30:06 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Celestial insults - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > Everyone knows the standard celestial insults (listed > somewhere on the Steve > Jackson Games page), such as "blackwing" for Malakim, "hyena" > for Servitors > of Dominic, etc. But I'd like to know if other players have > spontaneously generated their own, as above. I've heard angels of Trade referred to as "bean counters" and demons of Fire as "pyros" -- and you'd be amazed how often the B-word is applied to Lilim. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:33:14 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Natural Ingredients (was Celestial insults) - --- Tyto Alba wrote: > Speaking of which, isn't opium a flower? It comes from a species of poppy, as I recall. So does heroin - -- might even be the same plant, but I'm not sure. Something to think about the next time somebody claims that something must be good for you just because it's all natural. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:39:30 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Natural Ingredients (was Celestial insults) >From: Michael Walton >Subject: IN> Natural Ingredients (was Celestial insults) >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:33:14 -0800 (PST) >[...] Something to think about the next time somebody claims that something >must be good for you just because it's all natural. Along with Mother Nature's manifold and varied assortment of plant-based toxins... - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:22:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> FLUFF! (Re: Vassal of Stone.) At 3:43 PM -0500 1/31/01, Emily Dresner-Thornber wrote: >> He breaks his legs from the abrupt de-acceleration (or otherwise goes >> squish), or just keeps falling... (IOW, it's not the rocks that hurt >> him; it's the _stopping_.) > >Man. That Mother Nature is a Harsh Mistress. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress; Mother Nature is a... something Jordi would a p p rove of. O:> (Why do you think he and Novalis get along so well? Besides the Bees and Flowers thing, that is.) emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch http://brie.bmsc.washington.edu/people/merritt/books/Eye_of_Argon.html "rumoured to contain hoards of plunder, and many young wenches" Mike [falsetto]: "We're tired of these degrading patriachical slurs! From now on we demand to be called 'wynchys.'" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:23:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:57:05 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [EDG ] > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:53:12 -0500 >From: EDG >Subject: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. > >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> >What happens if he jumps into the grand canyon and hits the bottom? >> >> He breaks his legs from the abrupt de-acceleration (or otherwise goes >> squish), or just keeps falling... (IOW, it's not the rocks that hurt >> him; it's the _stopping_.) > >What's the difference between this and having a boulder dropped on you? >Sure, you wouldn't get any lacerations, but wouldn't the compression >cause damage? > >If a Vassal of Stone can't be hurt by stone or earth, he can't be hurt >by stone or earth. I'd allow him to walk away. Otherwise, what's to >stop someone from smacking said Vassal with a very large rock and saying >"But it wasn't the rock that broke his leg, it was his flesh compressing >in reaction to the impact"? > >-EDG > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:24:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:12:53 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [EDG ] >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:09:00 -0500 >From: EDG >Subject: Re: IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! > >Charles Phipps wrote: > >> While this is noncannon I've never seen anything other than flavor to say >> that it can't be done only suggestion but it's cool even if it is. > >http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/faq/#rule-humans-001 > >-EDG > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:53:55 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: IN> Awesome angel-drawing tool. http://www.phargle.com/angels.html (Clockwise, starting with Persephone: Malakite of Fire, Malakite of Wind, Ofanite of Fire, Cherub of the Sword.) Go to http://www.heromachine.com and choose a superhero, and you're off. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:25:44 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Pagan Story From the "Locked Room" in Yves's Archives are the Scrolls of Aechius, a 5th century poet who was stricken with madness. Rumors excerpts are from Lucifer's chronicles exist in it as well but no servitor of Yves has examined both and only a precacious few have read either, most having fallen and been destroyed. Fragments have recently been recovered from the Far Marches where Aechius's dreamshade is still present but his shade is constantly hunted by Tsaydim and a group of Destiny servitors. It is believed that anyone who comes into possesion of the scroll fragments will also become subject of the full weight of Yves efforts to contain these chronicles. Fragments include: The Chronicles of Aechius The Universe began as one being and few people today do not know this but fewer still understand what this means. The Oversoul was the Alpha, the Omega, Good, Evil, All possibility trapped in in a single being who saw with his being. Eventually the Oversoul decided to discover what it looked like and detached a portion of himself to look upon himself and see what he looked like. This being he named YVES which meant "The Second Highest of all." in the creature's tongue. The Not-quite-All-Anymore* detached a nother section of himself to look upon Yves as he had looked upon him. This being-was-not-named** as Yves immediately found it despicable and vice versa, refusing to give it the dignity of a response. The arguements that filled the air were many indeed between them and the Not-Quite-All-Anymore proceeded to create a realm for the Being-Who-Refused-to-be-Named who inhabited it with gladness to avoid Yves. The-Not-Quite-All-Anymore then chose to create many more forms from himself to increase his understanding as Mighty Ymir, Powerful Ptah, Chaos, and other beings were born...and bore their own offspring. * It is upfront stated that the Not-Quite-All by creating Yves has become limited because he now lacks understanding of everything that composed the being. ** The name of the being implies that he is everything that Yves rejected from existence as either impossibility or that must be obliterated. The hostility seems mutual. Yves watched the various paradises and lands of punishment with disturbed contempt as he wandered like a begger amongst them often mistaken for a human whom was one of the many races which the Gods had created in their own image. Indeed the lowest of beings which still could hear the Not-Quite-All-Anymore*. "Patracidal Odin, Zeus, and Murderous Huziticopla! Your sires and children are no better either, tainted with that which is not named." Yves surveyed the landscape of the lands created in the images of the gods as he slowly found a few who fit his ideals; Eli, Baal, Belial, and others he judged to hold ideals similar to his own**. The Yawhew was a war god who slew all who did not fit his beliefs but he was a weak god with few children...growing stronger by his conquests but he had created no worlds or lands and only ruled his people's realm. "A curse and a pox on them all! This world is too filled with strife and arrogant backbiting! Knowledge must reign over ignorance, Beuty over hideousness, love over anger, and devotion over willfulness!" the Yves approached the wargod then and held council with him for his plan which was to change all... * The Yves opinion of mankind is simultaneously high as apparently made by many beings and low as well...very unflattering. ** A curious bunch indeed! Archangels worshipped as gods yet apparently always archangels. Yawhew saw the sleeping Not-Quite-All-Anymore whom Yves had lulled into dreamful sleep by his conving tale*. "What must I do now Namer?" Yawhew asked kicking the Not-Quite-All-Anymore to make sure he slumbered still.** "Fool! Stir him not for if you do the entire universe shall perish as I will it!" Yves stared and looked to the Heavens. "In his sleep the Not-Quite-All-Anymore is still the sum of everything that is not yet named and that is much indeed. I give you a list of secret names and things to whisper Yawhew things that will allow you to change the world as it stands and banish the others to mere memory. Those of your line and Family must be made to forget however for too many secrets will convince some to wake up he." Yawhew frowned "and why then may I know Yves if you know all this. Why shall not you do this whispering." "This vision requires a careful hand to lead man to the great destiny that is I. You will hold ultimate power yawhew but you will also be an eternal slave to keeping the Sleeping One to this position. Thus I give you the Name of Selflessness to hold your power. Do you accept?" *** "Aiye." Yawhew said as he began his whispering. * Yves likely convinced the man that sleep was necessary to understand...he may yet never wake up. Paranoia abounds if he ever intends to reabsorb his childer....or if he is already not with the Higher Heavens...and lower hells. ** Quite the different image of a war god! *** By this very nature it seems Yves is both greatly strengthening Yawhew but enslaving him as well! ...And Lucifer Morningstar descended into Hell* after wandering the Marches and meeting the mad shades the Metatron spoke that were the creation of mortal minds, yet deeply disturbed was Lucifer that any mortal could come up with such strange and horrible fantasies.** It was however in this place that he had followed strange tales from them, these products of his word, to find the root of their cause. "Lucifer I knew you would come." The Bloody Seraph who resembled him...but did not...spoke. "What are you?!" Lucifer asked curious even as he drew his glowing sword to ward off the THING he could not stare at so horrible was it to look at. "You will name me eventually*** for that power was bequethed to all even as Yves claims it for his own." the voice spoke "I accept no name from him however because I am everything he is not, what your god is not." "But God is all!" Lucifer cried affronted and disturbed greatly....for the man's words did register as untruth! No being but Yves and The Metatron were beyond his ability to verify, such was his power as light. The Bloody Seraph smiled transforming as it told it's hideous story transforming into perversions of many Ethereal gods and other beings as it spoke it's tale.... * Where DID hell come from? ** Interesting impliance, if the ethereal gods and Marches were created by mortal belief how could they have existed before them? *** This is an interesting impliance indeed and explains a number of things....including ethereal patronage, "I have had enough of your lies!" Lucifer cried destroying the Metatron which was the only link Yawhew had from his names to his children. Thoughts on this work and it's mysterious writer before I spring it on my players? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:19:43 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Celestial insults At 8:02 AM -0600 2/1/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: >And Gabriel drinks a brand of espresso so caffeinated that they've got to >put it in ceramic mugs, 'cause it eats right through metal. The Impudite turned and stared at the Hellsworn. "What's Hell to a Demon? I'll tell you the fast definition. There's one espresso maker in ten miles. There are five Ofanim coming for their morning hit. And *you* are between them and it." - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:50:13 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: IN> On Remnants Ok, as far as I have fugure things out, If an Archangel adds a Celestial force to a demonic remanant; the resulting celestial shall be an angel belong to whatever Chior corresponds to the Band that the demon the remnant is a remnant of belonged to. If a Demon Prince does the same to an angelic remant, same deal. There is however the Question of Lilim and Malakim. Lilim are not so bad Arachangel attaches Force to remant Lilim he gets a free Bright, no messy Redemption, no VERY shady deals with uberb*tch Demon Princesses. (It's enough to make Domonic dace the jig when it happens). But what happens when a Demon Prince tries to fix a Remnant Malakite? Bradley _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:57:44 -0800 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> Pagan Story In a word: beautiful. I've heard a few spins taken on the whole 'God wasn't always the Supreme Being' idea, but this is sheer brilliance. It also gives an interesting spin to Yves. Your players are in for a treat, if this is any indication. Phillip Mercurian of Eli in service to Novalis (or is it Yves this week?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:00:47 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> On Remnants > But what happens when a Demon Prince tries to fix a Remnant Malakite? "Hmm, I wonder what happens if I take this force and tack it onto this Malakite Remnant. Let's find out!" "Gee, boss, d'ya think that's really a good idea?" Find a Demon Prince reckless and brave enough to try. Not even Saminga is that stupid. Malakim can't fall, and I can't think of any Demon Princes who would try to screw with the way things are to try to prove otherwise. I would personally say it's impossible to graft Demonic forces onto a Malakite as long as Uriel exists. > Bradley Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:08:40 -0600 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Pagan Story Minds will bend and melt, and howls of "Blasphemy!!" will be heard from those not stricken mute. In other words, as one cruel GM to another, I like it!! Tom Timberlake, Cadre Cherub of Heaven - -- Strange blood, howl again, for now we know too well - Better a friend on paths unknown, than to be alone in hell! "Strange Blood" "A Wolfrider's Reflection", by various artists ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:10:18 -0500 From: "Aaron Medwin" Subject: Re: IN> On Remnants From: "Ben Glickler" > > But what happens when a Demon Prince tries to fix a Remnant Malakite? > > "Hmm, I wonder what happens if I take this force and tack it onto this > Malakite Remnant. Let's find out!" > > "Gee, boss, d'ya think that's really a good idea?" Would any demon really say that to his Prince? The ones without common sense might, but the ones with common sense would ask *themselves* that first. > Find a Demon Prince reckless and brave enough to try. Not even Saminga is > that stupid. Malakim can't fall, and I can't think of any Demon Princes who > would try to screw with the way things are to try to prove otherwise. But they might be able to have them stuck on, and just hit them with a point of dissonance automaticaly every so often. Maybe every minute, if you're feeling nice. *evil grin* > I would personally say it's impossible to graft Demonic forces onto a > Malakite as long as Uriel exists. In a dark campaign, I'd probably say that the DP has a fresh Malakite, ready to serve Oaths to Hell. In a lighter game, I'd probably say that the Malakite takes one look at the DP and either charges to it's death, or flees to Heaven(can angels in Hell who don't have Hearts get to Heaven automatically? They're already on the celestial plane, after all.) and gets an AA to replace the demonic Force with an angelic one. After that, hey, that'd make for a neat character idea. > > Bradley > > Ben - -Aaron Medwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:10:10 -0500 From: "Tyto Alba" Subject: Re: IN> Natural Ingredients (was Celestial insults) - -- >>[...] Something to think about the next time somebody claims that something >>must be good for you just because it's all natural. > >Along with Mother Nature's manifold and varied assortment of plant-based >toxins... Earthquake in India...It's Natural! tyto alba Habbalite Knight of Derision Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:43:14 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. >> >What happens if he jumps into the grand canyon and hits the >> >bottom? >> >> He breaks his legs from the abrupt de-acceleration (or otherwise >> goes squish), or just keeps falling... (IOW, it's not the rocks >> that hurt him; it's the _stopping_.) >> >> >What happens if demons roll a boulder over him? >> >> He goes "oof." Then he grins. > >You seem to be trying to differentiate between the rock hitting >the vassal and the vassal hitting the rock. But physically they're >the same thing. If the vassal hitting the canyon bottom is >damaged by the deceleration inside his vessel, then he also ought >to be damaged by the ACceleration in his vessel when hit by >a rock. > >I know one can always wave one's hands and say "It's a miracle," >but it seems simpler to just decree the vassal is undamaged by any >contact with stone. I tend to subscribe to the KISS principle and not worry about whether the angel hits the stone or the stone hits the angel. Although I expect there should be SOME reasonable limit before this gets silly; you hit 'em with, say, huge asteroid from orbit and they should at least go flying far enough to wind up hitting something which hits back. At least for Servitors; David would probably need the Moon whacking him to get him to so much as blink :). But anyway, if a player's getting too cocky, having a large enough rock (or bouncing after a fall) smack them into a hard non-stone object ("Watch out for that... *BOOM* TREE!" :)) should keep the munchkinism down with this one. - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> February 1, 2001 (ML) I love the Internet: have I mentioned that lately? Not being too clear on Candlemas, I looked it up in Yahoo! (spelling it wrong, BTW), and when I saw what it turned up... ...well, it took me three minutes to stop cackling. ;) Moe Nigel Mercurian of Creation IST Flowers Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 7 Agility: 9 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 12 Celestial Forces: 4 Will: 8 Perception: 8 Vessel: young human male/3, +2 charisma Skills: Dodge/1, Electronics/1, Emote/2, Fast-Talk/6, Fighting/3, Knowledge (contract law/2, heavy metal music/2), Large Weapon/3 (bat), Musical Instrument/6 (Guitar), Singing/4 Songs: Harmony (Ethereal/3), Healing (All/1), Light (Celestial/6), Might (Corporeal/3), Shields (All/2), Thunder/3 Role: "Nygel Whytsmythe" (Heavy metal lead singer/5, Status 5) Attunements: Mercurian of Creation, Seraphim of Creation, Malakite of Creation, Mercurian of Flowers Well. It's certainly one of the more original Roles out there, at the very least. Brilliant, in it's own special way, really: usually, it's the demons that are hiding out in heavy metal bands. The angels are supposed to be gospel singers, or something. This little blind spot is a great comfort for Nigel. Truth to tell, he was getting a little bored after being assigned to Flowers: Novalis is great to know, but her people can be a bit much, you understand? Nigel doesn’t like beating on humans any more than the next Mercurian does, but there is something to be said for unleashing some heavy duty Smiting on a demon or two. Doing so had a certain sort of rhythm to it, but he could never quite pin it down. Up to the point where Nigel heard his first AC/DC album, that is: after that, he knew what the beat was. And it was loud. From there, all it took was a little fast-talking and Nigel had his little experiment going. There's nothing wrong with loud, fast, powerful guitar riffs, after all: besides, did Heaven really want to just leave even one facet of human society completely open to the Enemy's machinations? No, of course not. It was Nigel's duty to infiltrate the heavy metal scene, no matter how dangerous it might be. Of course, Novalis didn't buy this line of reasoning for a second, but she had reasons of her own for agreeing to Nigel's scheme (Laurence turned mauve: David, magenta). These days Nigel is quite busy being Nygel Whytsmythe, lead singer for the hot new heavy metal band Obsidian Wynges. They've got a reputation for playing tight, fast, loud music, and even more of one for being absolutely professional. There's a refreshing lack of rowdy behavior associated with this band: they go in, play, avoid scandals and leave. The groupies are even all of legal age. The lyrics mostly deal with how insane the planet is (a common theme in modern corporeal music), but there isn't any nihilism - and the band eschews any sort of Satanic imagery (obviously). Some in the scene grumble that the band isn't properly self-destructive, but most critics forgive them that quirk for their virtuoso playing. Personally, Nigel's a little bit in love with the ultraviolence for a Mercurian, but he properly channels it against demons (there's never a shortage of targets). He's trying his best to wring as much enjoyment from this gig as he can, naturally: eventually, either Furfur or Nybbas will catch on and then the game's over. Until then, well, there's a concert tomorrow at the Garden, and the fans are counting on him and his band. Incidentally, someone addicted to nitpicking might want to point out that this sort of behavior might attract the attention of Dominic. This is entirely true: in fact, the Archangel of Judgement, after a lengthy conversation with Nigel, assigned a special Triad to permanent keep an eye on this particular angel. Nigel doesn't mind. After all, the Malakite is a wizard with the drums, the Cherub makes a perfect backup singer, and the Seraph can do almost frightening things with a base guitar... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2042 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.