From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Feb 4 22:30:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04173 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:30:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA06085 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:30:49 -0600 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:30:49 -0600 Message-Id: <200102050430.WAA06085@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2045 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, February 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2045 In this digest: Re: IN> The Reason for the Fall (was Humans into Demons) Re: IN> February 3, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> [MEDIA] Hey, if the Shedim get "Fallen," why not? IN> Kyrio question... Re: IN> Kyrio question... IN> Reasons for the Fall IN> OK, so this one's weird. Sue me. :) IN> It's just an adventure seed...right? IN> Why, yes, I _do_ own three Animaniac CDs. Why do you ask? Re: IN> OK, so this one's weird. Sue me. :) Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. Re: IN> Kobal's Motivations IN> War vs. Destiny Re: IN> Reasons for the Fall Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right? Re: IN> Why, yes, I _do_ own three Animaniac CDs. Why do you ask? Re: IN> Kyrio question... Re: IN> Resonance Rules Question Re: IN> Resonance Rules Question Re: IN> Resonance Rules Question Re: IN> Why, yes, I _do_ own three Animaniac CDs. Why do you ask? IN> February 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> February 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Malakites and Cheese Sandwiches ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:18:09 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Reason for the Fall (was Humans into Demons) > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:05:01 -0500 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > Subject: Re: IN> The Reason for the Fall (was Humans > into Demons) > (Heck, there's Tattered. I think Moe > kicked canon out the window and told it not to come > sniffin' round his door again! Fun stuff there.) > Hey, it's not like I _disapprove_ of canon, or anything. I quite like it, actually. Canon is what made In Nomine my favorite RPG. It's just that every so often the urge to just kick over the traces and do the Funky Chicken on the underlying assumptions inherent in canon is, well, irresistable. And, apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks so. ;) Moe (Those uninterested in Tattered, ignore below) PS: For my fellow Funky-Chicken devotees, I think that it's time to start blocking out conditions in H/H, the Marches and Earth - and for those who haven't joined up yet, but would like to get a few dance steps in, why not email me? :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:19:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> February 3, 2001 (ML) Damn... why didn't I ever think of that trick? Just what the heck do you DO that twists that mind into such interesting patterns? - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Punctuality, regularity, discipline, industry, thoroughness, are a set of slave virtues." -- G. D. H. Cole ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:49:52 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> [MEDIA] Hey, if the Shedim get "Fallen," why not? At 10:04 AM -0500 2/2/01, Jason Schneiderman wrote: > >From ZENtertainment: > >> 'JINN' RIGHTS ACQUIRED >> According to The HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, TOUCHSTONE Pictures >> has acquired to Matt Delaney's upcoming St. MARTIN'S PRESS >> novel JINN. The horror novel, described as being in the vein >> of ANGEL HEART and FALLEN, involves a Boston homicide detective >> tracking down an ancient Arabic demon he may be an accomplice to. >> JINN will be published this fall. >> http://www.stmartins.com > >Jason There's been a Jinn comic book for some months now, in much the same vein except it involves a woman in leather. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:36:06 -0200 From: Bigatto Subject: IN> Kyrio question... A human possessed by a kyriotate or shedite counts as a vessel/!, right? And any thoughness level it may have are added to this level? And is it possible to such a celestial to possess another one by the use of its own resonance? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:51:25 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio question... From: "Bigatto" <> In what sense? <> Toughness, like Charisma, is a Vessel quality, so I would say no, a Kyriotate or Shedite can't have Toughness--nor can any other celestial have general Toughness. The Vessel has Toughness. <> Kyriotates can do it; I seem to remember hearing that Shedim can't. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:03:21 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Reasons for the Fall [I mean, if you _don't_ want canon, you don't have to have it. But don't confuse IMC with canon. O:> (Heck, there's Tattered. I think Moe kicked canon out the window and told it not to come sniffin' round his door again! Fun stuff there.)] Sorry Beth I didn't know that Andre suffered word conflict as the result of his fall and I interpreted Beleth's fall as described in the Marches as really being the result of her wanting to explore her word (i.e. Terrify humans). In this case I failed and was just giving my opinions on why they fell. Basically though neither fell it seems to have fallen because they believed they were superior to humans and god was paying too much attention to us. As I RECALL and SPECULATE Asmodeus fell mainly because of desire for power that could not be met by his current position Kobal seems to have fallen because he wasn't terribly amused with the but of his jokes; a jester is wise only so long as his jokes hold wisdom Beezlebub likely fell because IMC he was an Angel of Light and just went where his master went Magog fell because...well HE WAS EVIL and enjoyed his actions Basically I believe that the Fall occured because of a variety of reasons and the angels in question if you don't want to call them EVIL were of twisted motivation and ultimately turned that motivation to bringing others towards them and damnation. Demons are contempteous I think of humans because they're more powerful and humans are weak in comparison not because their jealous. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:09:02 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> OK, so this one's weird. Sue me. :) Excellent work Moe. The question is though Does her word cover Disney cartoon bouncing creatures as well as the ediable things? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:27:20 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right? Okay not to be outdone by Moe's Aztec groundhog god I've decided to do something odder I think...okay maybe not as BLATANTLY odd but odd nontheless. It all started with a Seraphim of Revelation who just never accepted the common Seraph "excuses" for keeping quiet about the war. "Christians, Muslims, Zorastrians, and Jews KNOW about the war....and most have heard about it. Just advertising where angels will make us major targets for hell and cost innocent lives if people blatantly know about such endeavors" wasn't cutting it with Thummim the Angel of Perfect Truth. Basically to the dear old boy the more information that humanity had about the War and the REAL nature of the universe the better. Now Litheroy quietly approves of Thummin's zealotry and if he wasn't so concerned with other matters to be revealed and so afraid of the reaction of his fellow Archangels he would have given his support fully to Thummin, thus he's merely ignoring his efforts. As one of the nobility of Heaven Thummin never stopped to really believe he was wrong in his endeavor and immediately set out to figure out exactly how to go about educating the masses in the greatest possible way with as little intereference as possible. While wandering through Austin, Texas he met with a Servitor of the Media, Japet and managed to hatch upon a plan of true brillance. *** IN NOMINE: THE SERIES Thummin isn't exactly how to first make the splash; a movie, comic books, a book series, TV, or one of those games that Japet's college age computer programmers love to play....one brand apparently big in Austin. However he's fairly sure that once he releases it it's going to be a hit. Plush Novalis's with her story attached along with lovable quotes if you push her foot Michael the Archangel Action figures (Laurence too, David there not sure how to do) Blandine "Pleasant dream" posters the works! Thummin is a bit delerious with his prodject to yet notice that Japet is in all likelihood going to seriously mess over this plan somehow....because theres no way Nybbas won't want in on this and worse theres no way he won't go along with it once this is underway! The oppportunity for Nybbas TV ON TV is too much to resist (Nybbas is quite confident that Lilith has more marketable value than Gabrielle). The question is whether or not the Seraphim Council or the Council of Demons will kill him first! - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Why, yes, I _do_ own three Animaniac CDs. Why do you ask? You know, one of these days I _will_ demonstrate that I can actually produce something that isn't odd. It's just that, at the moment, all the stuff in the print queue is unusual. You can blame this one on the Madness thread on .fnord, BTW. Just be glad I didn't write up the ethereal Bugs Bunny (I'll let Kelly do that one, as he was the one who sorta brought it up in the first place). :) Moe The Song of Anvils (Ethereal) (Restricted) This Song originated in the Marches, probably. No one wants to admit being the discoverer: even Seraphim can't seem to determine that particular Truth. Blandine and Kobal both actively teach it (it happens to be very useful), and it's certain that Laurence, Jean, Kronos and Beleth at least know it, but Superiors in the latter group try not to hand it out too often. It's so _undignified_. The Song causes damage equal to twice (Essence spent times the check digit), in either Mind or Soul hits (performer's choice). However, this damage (and all effects from it) is strictly temporary: the hits lost will reappear ten minutes later. Thus, if (for example) use of this Song results in a Force being stripped, said Force will return ten minutes later (along with whatever hits were lost in the process). Use of this Song in conjunction with regular attacks will not ever facilitate the (permanent): loss of a Force; gaining of Discord; or the creation of a Remnant. It's an excellent way of knocking out someone for a few minutes, though. Unfortunately (from some people's point of view), the manner in which this damage is inflicted is simply too inglorious for words. Essentially, an anvil falls from the sky and hits the target (this is a special effect: if the Song has successfully penetrated a target's defenses, then any attempt to evade the anvil will fail). This anvil disappears after being used. There's also a humorous clanging noise. More importantly, this Song is not subtle: the disturbance generated is noteworthy, and trying to explain away large anvils falling from the sky can be a chore. There are rumors, incidentally, that certain Servitors of Stone have discovered the Corporeal version of this Song (no range, 3x [Essence spent times the check digit] in temporary Body hits, special effect: large wooden mallet pulled out from nowhere), but David scowls whenever the topic comes up. And _nobody's_ admitting that they're looking for the Celestial version. Range: sight Bonus: Dreams, Dark Humor Available: (Ethereal) Beleth, Blandine, Kobal, Jean, Kronos, Laurence; (Corporeal, should it exist) David, Laurence. Christopher will probably wheedle either version (or both) out of somebody soon... Essence Requirement: 1 Maximum Essence: 4 Degree of Disturbance: twice the check digit. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:14:24 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> OK, so this one's weird. Sue me. :) From: "Aaron Medwin" Subject: Re: IN> OK, so this one's weird. Sue me. :) From: "Maurice Lane" >> Jaeliel >> Elohite Vassal of Kids >> Angel of Gummi Bears >> Relic: Beard of Señor Nuñez/6 (same concept, >> different body) >What? No Gummi Berry juice? No reference at all to >the old Disney Gummi Bears cartoon at all?I'm kinda >disappointed. >- -Aaron Medwin Bah. Such Nybbasian perversions are to be ignored, not embraced. Besides, I've never actually _seen_ the Gummi Bears cartoon. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:17:56 +1000 From: "Shane" Subject: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. On 2 Feb 2001, 19:14, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Physically, yes. Intent-wise, no. David is the Archangel of Stone. > He protects against being harmed by his Word. He doesn't protect > against jumping off tall buildings and going splat. He doesn't > protect against _gravity_. (Or "did it to yourself" stupidity; walking > away from it because you have 144 Body Hits, Agility 12 and Acrobatics/6, > with an Acrobatics/6 talisman, on the other hand...) ... > Oh, probably -- but it's not as severe, necessarily. If I had to have > specific mechanics, I'd probably do something like, "Treat rock as > styrofoam. It might sting, it might get in his way, it might even knock > him down. But it's not going to _hurt_ him. On the other hand, fall from > far enough and even landing on styrofoam's gonna hurt." Hmm. So if the angel jumps off the building, it's going to Hurt, but if the angel is pushed off the building, it...? (and then of course you have the Jeanites complaining about relative frames of reference and zero-dimensional point motion :p) Shane. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:26:42 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Kobal's Motivations Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:34:49 -0600From: Santiago Subject: IN> Kobal's Motivations I liked this a lot. I also can't think of any caveats to the above statement. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 03:28:26 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> War vs. Destiny This is an unusual question but have you ever considered that perhaps Michael and Yves are suffering Word conflict? Basically Michael deals in absolutes; Right, wrong, good, evil, past, present, future He's a Seraph. Yves deals with subjectives, might-bes, could've beens, mayhap occurs. He's something unquantifiable. Thus Yves's inability to relate in terms michale can understand...concrete ones....and michael's frank IMPATIENCE leads war to trouble. Especially since Destiny is where War ends and Destiny does not exist until the striving is ceased. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:54:56 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Reasons for the Fall I think, in a canon sort of way (or maybe that's sort of canon way), that basically all the angels at that time where not only as imperfect as the modern ones but unaware of their potential for dissonance. Add on to this that Lucifer is a well respected, beautiful, charismatic, nearly perfect entity and you have a recipe for disaster. All of those that followed Lucifer may claim they had reasons, they may have claimed to have reasons then, but I think it was really that very few of the angels at the time could resist Lucifer's arguments, and the attention he paid to them. He made them feel bitter, he wormed in the dissonance and then he lead them against God. They decided in that moment that Lucifer was more important than God. Now where would they get that impression? From Lucifer. Who was clearly not being a good little angel and bowing honestly towards God. He wanted to project that he was more important than God, to convince angels that they should follow him against their Creator. That required convincing them of something, some injustice, something. Humanity. That's a good excuse to start with, and I'm sure that it was something bothering Lucifer. Maybe that was what got Lucifer thinking, maybe something else did. But I'm sure at some point Lucifer decided. You know what, I'm tired of this scraping and bowing and humility. I am the Lightbringer, I am the Truth and if God doesn't put me in my place at this moment then I'm going to make sure everyone knows it. When God didn't smite him on the spot Lucifer started making trouble. Lucifer is throwing a tantrum, so until he gets his way he's going to keep trashing the house. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:42:11 -0500 From: "EDG" Subject: Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right? From: Charles Phipps > As one of the nobility of Heaven Thummin never stopped to really believe he > was wrong in his endeavor and immediately set out to figure out exactly how > to go about educating the masses in the greatest possible way with as little > intereference as possible. The first Elohite that Thummim meets is going to have a field day. ^_^ > Plush Novalis's with her story attached along with lovable quotes if you > push her foot Do Jordi too! ("Save the rainforest!" "Protect the wetlands!" ("Hey, this toy is cool!") "Get off my savannahs or by the Will of God I will strike you down with ten thousand lions!" ("Umm...")) > Michael the Archangel Action figures (Laurence too, David there not sure how > to do) An outfit made of miniature potholders. > Blandine "Pleasant dream" posters You've forgotten the life-sized Gabriel and Lilith standees. ^_^ Fun to read. ^_^ - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:49:25 -0500 From: "EDG" Subject: Re: IN> Why, yes, I _do_ own three Animaniac CDs. Why do you ask? From: Maurice Lane > Essentially, an anvil falls > from the sky and hits the target (this is a special > effect: if the Song has successfully penetrated a > target's defenses, then any attempt to evade the anvil > will fail). This anvil disappears after being used. > There's also a humorous clanging noise. Can the Song of Anvils penetrate the Song of Shields*? Also, what's your definition of "being used"? When it does its damage, or when it hits the ground? - -EDG * I know that the Song of Shields is meant to appear as a tornado-like structure, a shield of rapidly-moving air whipping around the boundaries of the Shield, but I've never really bought that - my impression is that the Song gives 360-degree protection, and a tornado really doesn't symbolize that very well. I usually just go with a transparent, slightly iridescent sphere that glows slightly at the point of impact when something hits it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:00:57 -0500 From: "EDG" Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio question... From: Bigatto > A human possessed by a kyriotate or shedite counts as a vessel/!, right? IIRC, a human body possessed by a Kyriotate or Shedite counts as a Vessel/x, where x is the number of Corporeal Forces the human has. However, it's entirely possible that I'm wrong here. ^_^ > And any thoughness level it may have are added to this level? Again IIRC, the Corporeal Players' Guide should have information on this. Unfortunately, mine is (still!) in Arizona, so I can't give page references or the like. However, as I recall, the human's Toughness is added to the equation just as if you were calculating human hits. (Only humans can have Toughness.) > And is it possible to such a celestial to possess another one by the use > of its own resonance? Kyriotates can possess other celestials, as well as animals. Shedim cannot possess either celestials -or- animals; they're stuck with human bodies, but they can potentially ride their hosts much longer than even the most powerful Kyriotate. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:13:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Resonance Rules Question At 12:31 PM -0800 2/3/01, Uria Lomvia wrote: >Regarding the Mercurians' resonance: If the Mercurian detects "geographic and >cultural origins" on a demon in a human vessel, the resonance reveals that the >subject is a demon, right? Not necessarly. Some people advocate making a Role roll (as if to avoid disturbance within a Role) to give that, while the GURPS In Nomine version states that the Mercurian gets a general origins thing -- i.e., someplace where there is a lot of violence and bloodshed and fear, which could be Central America (at least for some value of time) or it could be Gehenna. But it could certainly provide clues! (So can "common use name" -- if the demon has more celestial buddies who go around calling it Barshanite than Fred, say...) (Basically, the Mercurian resonance should be a strong hinter, but almost never an automatic celestial-detector. Few things should be automatic celestial-detectors, if one wishes to preserve the canonical feel of "anyone could be a celestial -- or a human" and make certain Choir/Band/Servitor Attunements feel more special. Of course, if you don't like the canonical setting, go wild with your own preferences. I only get mildly peeved if someone starts getting the canonical setting and their own variations on it confused together. O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:58:33 -0500 From: Ben Pollack Subject: Re: IN> Resonance Rules Question Original message from: Elizabeth McCoy >At 12:31 PM -0800 2/3/01, Uria Lomvia wrote: > >>Regarding the Mercurians' resonance: If the Mercurian detects "geographic and >>cultural origins" on a demon in a human vessel, the resonance reveals that the >>subject is a demon, right? > >Not necessarly. Some people advocate making a Role roll (as if to avoid >disturbance within a Role) to give that, while the GURPS In Nomine version >states that the Mercurian gets a general origins thing -- i.e., someplace >where there is a lot of violence and bloodshed and fear, which could be >Central America (at least for some value of time) or it could be Gehenna. Does this mean that a Mercurian *always* only gets 'general origins'? I should think if normally you can pinpoint a guy as "from New England" but in a case you only get a general feeling, that in and of itself is a pretty good indicator. Me, I'd be willing to allow the Role save, as a general rule, both because it is in keeping with the way a Role already works and because it imbalances things way towards the demonic side to mute an angelic resonance because it is used on a celestial in a vessel. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:20:47 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Resonance Rules Question >Does this mean that a Mercurian *always* only gets 'general origins'? I >should think if normally you can pinpoint a guy as "from New England" but >in a case you only get >a general feeling, that in and of itself is a pretty good indicator. Me, >I'd be willing to allow the Role save, as a general rule, both because it >is in keeping with the way a >Role already works and because it imbalances things way towards the >demonic side to mute an angelic resonance because it is used on a >celestial in a vessel. > > >Ben No, it's a degree of success thing. Sometimes the Mercurian gets nothing more than the guy's opinion of himself. Sometimes he gets geographic and cultural origins. And sometimes he gets the guy's life history. It all varies. William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:18:13 -0800 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> Why, yes, I _do_ own three Animaniac CDs. Why do you ask? > The Song of Anvils (Ethereal) (Restricted) - -This- after I had the idea for an Impudite of Kobal with the word of Cartoonish Deaths. Now I need to jostle the points... Phillip, Mercurian of Eli in Service to Novalis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:36:49 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> February 4, 2001 (ML) Well, I think that this one is fairly straightforward enough, right? See, I _can_ do it. :) Moe Cornelius Saint of Stone Corporeal Forces: 5 Strength: 10 Agility: 10 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence:10 Precision: 10 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Skills: Detect Lies/6, Dodge/6, Emote/3, Fighting/6, Knowledge (Earth History/2, Theology/3), Languages (Greek/3, Latin/3) Large Weapon/6 (sword), Tactics/3 Songs: Banishing (Corporeal/3), Battle (Corporeal/1, Celestial/2), Blades (Celestial/3), Form (Corporeal/3), Healing (Corporeal/3), Might (All/3), Purity (Ethereal/1), Shields (All/3), Stone (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/1, Celestial/3), Tongues (Ethereal/3) Attunements: Blessed, Cold Touch, Rock Hard, Scabbard The Christian Bible speaks of a God-fearing Roman Centurion who, after a visitation from an angel, sought out the Apostle Peter and became the first Gentile to embrace Christianity. The Bible, however, fails to mention what happened to him afterwards. What happened is that the angel returned to the Centurion (known as Cornelius) and recruited him as a Soldier of Stone. Cornelius spent the rest of his life fighting a hidden battle against those forces of Hell determined to nip the new faith into the bud, and easily achieved his Destiny in the process. When he died, it was only natural that he continued to serve David in Heaven. Cornelius is one of the very few Saints that have served in the Corporeal plane more than once - he's done it at least twelve times - and he is the highest ranking blessed soul in David's organization. In fact, he has the very highest of rankings. The Archangel of Stone considers Cornelius to be the epitome of what humanity could and should be, and respects his opinion about matters concerning mortals. Laurence (who has become the patron of Christianity) likewise treats Cornelius with special favor: he'd like the Saint to come work for him, but has become resigned to simply seeking his opinion on matters. You would think that having two Archangels ready to listen to you (even if they won't automatically agree with your opinions) would encourage an unseemly pride. You would be right. Cornelius isn't an evil person, by any stretch of the imagination: in fact, he's a very good one. However, he does have possibly a bit more self-assurance then circumstances might warrant. There's a definite degree of overconfidence, too, which is almost justified. 'Almost' is the key word, here: the Saint has never seriously failed in any of his corporeal missions, and he doesn’t really expect that he ever will. This means that he’ll be fairly slow to call for help, even when he really needs it. Normally, this sort of pride would be effectively meaningless, except that David is planning to send down the Saint for another mission. And this time, as soon as Malphas finds out about it, he'll make sure that Cornelius has a quite interesting tour of duty. The Prince of Factions doesn’t normally concentrate on any one opponent, but in this case he'll be more than happy to make an exception... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> February 4, 2001 (ML) > Cornelius, Saint of Stone > > Corporeal Forces: 5 Strength: 10 Agility: 10 > Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence:10 Precision: 10 > Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 15 forces! That's one well-hard saint. > Skills: Detect Lies/6, Dodge/6, Emote/3, Fighting/6, > Knowledge (Earth History/2, Theology/3), Languages > (Greek/3, Latin/3) Large Weapon/6 (sword), Tactics/3 Surely he needs more modern languages? And a few other modern skills? I suspect that the language school in Heaven may be rather good. It presumably comes under Yves, and probably preserves quite a few lost languages. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:38:33 -0600 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Malakites and Cheese Sandwiches At 3:44 PM -0500 02/03/01, Jason Schneiderman wrote: > "I wear the cheese; it does not wear me." Of _slight_ interest to only those of us who know the origin of the above line, there are only twenty-four slices -- not the forty slices I'd expect. . . I was definitely dissapointed after that. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2045 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.