From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Feb 7 09:16:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32051 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:16:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id JAA30999 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:18:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:18:38 -0600 Message-Id: <200102071518.JAA30999@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2048 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, February 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2048 In this digest: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments Re:IN> February 5, 2001 (ML) Re:IN> February 5, 2001 (ML) Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) Re: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments Re: IN> Mary, Schoolteacher. No, really. Re: IN> Hell's Programming schedule Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) Re: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch IN> Makatiel or "The Mechanics of Killing/Being a Superior" Re: IN> February 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> February 3, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> [NPC] Marauding Ethereal Spirit Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys Re: IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch Re: IN> Makatiel or "The Mechanics of Killing/Being a Superior" Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) IN> New Corporeal Discord Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys IN> Entropy and other whimsy Re: IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch Re: IN> Entropy and other whimsy Re: IN> New Corporeal Discord IN> Ethereals, a cloud of doubt... Re: IN> New Corporeal Discord IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> New Corporeal Discord Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) IN> Medieval Jean Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) Re: IN> Medieval Jean Re: IN> Medieval Jean Re: IN> Medieval Jean Re: IN> Medieval Jean Re: IN> Medieval Jean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:42:30 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments Hi, >[snip] >>Nah. Two words. Leather chaps. > >Errr, I was trying to *avoid* that particular class of gags, really... It'd be more embarasing for davids little secret about liking boy/girl band cd's. "what?!... oh.. they bring people together... lotsw of people. er.. group strength and all that. now gimme my cd's back novalis" Byee. Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 2001 21:00:12 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> February 5, 2001 (ML) On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:11:39 -0800 (PST) Maurice Lane wrote: >Back to weird, I guess. It needs some work, but >there's good mood behind it, I think. Feedback >welcome. 'weird'? WIERD, Moe?!? this is dark, sick, and twisted, PERFECT for In Nomine. how could you possibly define *this* as wierd--it's probably the most "normal" thing you've written to date within the themes of the game! --and yes, those were all compliments .... -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 2001 21:04:52 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> February 5, 2001 (ML) On Mon 5 Feb 2001 20:11, Maurice Lane wrote: [snip] btw, i think i'll be using this in any campaign i can contrive of to include it in, both as reason for genesis of PC Calabite (likely Renegade or of Fire) as well as using it for a plot-device. "Next to hydrogen, stupidity is the most common element in the universe." --Harlan Ellison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:14:18 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) At 8:05 PM -0500 2/6/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >[snip] >>"Look. Leather chafes. Satin liners help. I don't have to explain >>mysel to you." > >[snip] >>Nah. Two words. Leather chaps. > >Errr, I was trying to *avoid* that particular class of gags, really... Isn't it fortunate I'm here to brighten everyone's day, then! - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:16:42 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments At 8:42 PM +0000 2/6/01, cassandra benner wrote: >Hi, > >>[snip] >>>Nah. Two words. Leather chaps. >> >>Errr, I was trying to *avoid* that particular class of gags, really... > >It'd be more embarasing for davids little secret about liking >boy/girl band cd's. Well, the Spice Girls have that whole "Girl Power" thing going, and that's a Davidian sentiment... and the boy bands *do* have to learn harmonies.... "Speak to me not of N'Sync. Theirs is artifice. The Backstreet Boys have strength that N'Sync could never hope to achieve." - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:19:36 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Mary, Schoolteacher. No, really. Are there any celestials in town who are loose-enough cannons to be tricked into muddying the waters somehow?<<< LOL! This one was good Beth! As to your question...yeah, I could see a certain demonic celestial being tricked into muddying the waters here. Which one would depend on the campaign. I've got ideas for a Lilim of Lust, a Balseraph of the Media, an Impudite of Greed or Hardcore, and a Habbalite of Nightmares or Cruelty all running around my head right now. :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:26:18 -0800 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> Hell's Programming schedule > Nybbas still shows one episode at Christmas parties where an actual > Mercurian of Creation was brought over to the House of the dozen demons > while snuggling close to a unknown Lilim of Lust. Hey! I was drunk, all right? I mean I was, uhh, trying to redeem her! Yeah, that's it! Seriously, though, I like this. I always figured Nybbas tested his new ideas for particularly infernal things to add to television in Hell before he'd try marketing the ideas on Earth. Probably the main reason he's interested in the soulds of his principality. Phillip- Mercurian of Eli in service to Novalis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:04:18 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) >>Laurence -- (frantically trying to hide a copy of _PlayLilim_ magazine) > >"I read it for the articles. Um. On killing things! Really!" Actually, reading PlayMalakite, most angels would understand if not condone, as that's the one full of pictures of Lilim. PlayLilim, on the other hand, seems like a bit of hypocrisy on his part, given his strong pro-Catholic stance, and Dominic is probably going to have a chat with him, though I tend to think he'll keep his distance for some reason... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 17:31:11 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments If these get any wierder, I am deleting them on sight. Bradley Paranial _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:56:47 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch So the Mercurian of Creation IST Flowers asks my character (Cherub of Stone) if I or anyone else present knows a way to render a human unconscious without either hurting the human or causing disturbance. I reply in the negative and mention that this would be a good time to know the Vulcan nerve pinch. Then I got to thinking ... Neural Override ("Vulcan nerve pinch") This Precision-based skill requires a Medicine knowledge of at least 3 and a Precision skill of at least 6. It has no default. It can be used only on humans, including Soldiers, and will not work on celestials, undead, or Remnants. The check digit of a successful roll must be higher than the target's Corporeal Forces, and a target who is aware of the attack (i.e. is attacked from the front) may Dodge. The target of a successful attack will be rendered unconscious for (CD) minutes, with no aftereffects. Because this attack does not actually injure a human in any way, it does not cause disturbance. This skill can only be learned from someone who has it at level 6, but it can be learned and used by anyone who has the prerequisites. It is of course popular among Mercurians and Cherubim, and Servitors of Flowers, Protection, and Children. Demons like it for its lack of disturbance and for those occasions when they want to capture a human undamaged. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 19:24:36 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Makatiel or "The Mechanics of Killing/Being a Superior" This is an odd question but Makatiel was described as having been slain by Servitors of the Game and Judgement inside his Earthly realm and because he was somehow blocked from returning to Hell and thus he was forced to stand and "fight" it seems and ultimately was destroyed. Meserach and Mariel (An "M" name is the Kiss of Death in In Nomine it seems) were killed by Haagenti who at the time of the First Strike merely had a Superior level word and probably 18 forces. Thus the question comes up are Archangels and Demon Princes merely very powerful angels with lots of attunements and essence? Really if Superior level words are merely 25-100 Forces it's quite possible if difficult for them to be slain by any determined party of angels if you can get them to stand and fight. Indeed it's quite possible that an Archangel sacrafices 9 of his Word Forces everytime he creates an Angel and the same for Demon princes...thus preventing them from creating a very large number of servitors and a flurry of activity usually begins after such creation....to make the Superior's word strong again. It may explain also why relievers are created...they are weak and you don't waste your time creating a weak angel destined to die but promote a proper angel. Given a demon Prince may be limited by his Word as well then he might spend a hundred essence to eliminate several angels at once but he may be destroyed very soon afterward....because he can only store so much (then again do Superiors get essence when an angel does something for them or when they do it?) Much like in the Movie "The Prophecy" Gabriel and other Archangels can be slain in combat if you get them on a bad day....kinduv enjoyable feeling there. - -charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> February 4, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Cornelius > Saint of Stone Oh ho, I like this! Nice way to integrate Biblical material into the IN setting. And it doesn't even come off as irreverent (though you often seem to shoot for that, I've noticed). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> February 3, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > *Writing every day never hurts, either. It keeps the > mental muscles supple. It also makes for lots of > stuff to put on a website... something that _some_ of > you are neglecting, BTW. (mock frown) Awright, awready!* I'll start working on it next week. Anybody got recommendations for a server? *And no cracks about the spelling -- every now and then I have to release my inner Fudd. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:33:28 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> [NPC] Marauding Ethereal Spirit - --- damienw@juno.com wrote: > Hmm... other video game Etherials... hmm... anyone see a fat > Italian > plumber in their dreams lately? :) Presumeably, flies hate being swatted. Perhaps working for Beleth is how Yar _really_ gets his revenge. Yes, I know I'm showing my age big time. Get over it. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:41:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > Neural Override ("Vulcan nerve pinch") I would add a minimum Strength for using it, seeing as Vulcans were stronger than Humans and Spock never succeeded in teaching Kirk (I forget which episode that's from, but it's in there -- trust me). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:41:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Makatiel or "The Mechanics of Killing/Being a Superior" You've pretty much hit the nail on the head here. Yes, a determined army of celestials, or large group of Superiors, CAN slay a Superior. This has been established in Canon. What has not been established is how many Forces a Superior has, how much certain things weaken them by, how much it takes to hurt them, and so on. In other words, like so many other things, it's left completely up to the discretion of the GM. If the GM wants the army you're leading to kill Fleurity, they can. If not, they can't. It's a plot device more than anything. It's possible, but you'll never know for sure just what it will take. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Ninety-nine percent of life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck." -- Mike Muir ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 01:28:15 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys >--- Santiago wrote: >> The Ring of the Niflung Horde I hate to be a killjoy, but I think we have a confusion of rings here. First, there's a golden armring which was made for Odin as part of a competition, where two dwarves were trying to produce the best set of gifts -- that one (whose name I forget) is the one that spawns nine identical rings every ninth night, or something like that. (I apologise, it's been a while since I read this.) It has a name of its own -- Draupnir, that's it, I believe. Then there's _The Ring_ which has been so celebrated in story and opera and so forth, which was a part of Andvari's hoard of gold, and which was cursed by its owner when the gods (Odin, Thor, and Loki, I think it was) took it with them that it would bring disaster upon the keeper. It wasn't named as such, though I think it's referred to as Andvari's Ring. OTOH, I'll gladly be corrected by anybody who knows the stories better than I do. Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:35:21 -0500 From: "Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki" Subject: Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) > Yeah, that tops it. Right up there with Jean having a burnt-out light bulb > on his desk lamp, or a smoking sparking coffeepot. Or Jordi with a happily-burbling, well-maintained, clean coffeepot. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 02:46:46 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> New Corporeal Discord Hi, terribly sorry, i don't have my book at hand atm, but it's almost 3am and im wracked with an idea. Forgive me, but it needs to be done. Corporeal discord- addiction/internet This is one that a number of jeans mercurians seem to be racking up at an alarming rate, seeing as they are amongst humanty more often than the rest. each level of discord leaves the bearer unable to spend any time less than 2x level of discord on the net. With every 12 hours that pass the subject must make a will -level check to not follow the urge through. If they fail they must get to a web interface within level hours or suffer one point of mind hits per level of discord. Um, ok thats that from my brain. i feel better already. i might start posting some stuff to the list again soon. Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 02:49:10 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) Headlines from an abyssal news paper ::JORDI IN KITTEN VESSAL SEEN USING CAT FLAP SHOCKER!!!!!:: > > Yeah, that tops it. Right up there with Jean having a burnt-out light >bulb > > on his desk lamp, or a smoking sparking coffeepot. > >Or Jordi with a happily-burbling, well-maintained, clean coffeepot. Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:49:45 -0800 From: "Morgan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys In some versions, Andvari did claim that with his ring he could replenish his hoard. Whether this was because the ring was a reliquarry (in IN terms), had some power to produce treasure (Song of Wealth?) or could actually replicate itself was never mentioned in the stories. However, Sigurd (or Siegfried if you're German) and all the other mortals who possessed the ring never managed to get any wealth from it, so perhaps they did not know how to get it or it only works for non-humans. The Ring is called the Ring of the Niebulung (probably spelled it wrong) in German, and I don't know if that's its name or something else. In Norse legends, it is indeed called Andvari's Ring. > > Then there's _The Ring_ which has been so celebrated in story and opera and > so forth, which was a part of Andvari's hoard of gold, and which was cursed > by its owner when the gods (Odin, Thor, and Loki, I think it was) took it > with them that it would bring disaster upon the keeper. It wasn't named as > such, though I think it's referred to as Andvari's Ring. > > OTOH, I'll gladly be corrected by anybody who knows the stories better than > I do. > > Genevieve > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 01 21:13:58 -0600 From: fleschner Subject: IN> Entropy and other whimsy Okay, I have a couple of questions about an evil thought I had whilst driving to work. I'm a celestial. I need a couple thousand fast, but the most valuble possession I have is beat-up '95 automobile with two billion miles on it. It's gotta go. 1. Could I use the Corporeal song of Entropy to restore it to good condition, or is the car too large/complex? 2. Would such a use turn the odometer back? Physically, the car would be restored, but how about the odometer? On another note, is there someone out there who is willing to look over a small bit of ann IN story I'm writing? Is there a group for this sort of thing? I'm fairly serious about this, so I want to make sure the person reviewing it can actually help with writing technique instead of just saying "That's cool. That's not. Dunno why." Alec Fleschner "In Parting"--Not how one soul comes close to another but how it moves away shows me their kinship and how much they belong together. - --Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 04:04:05 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch > > Neural Override ("Vulcan nerve pinch") > > I would add a minimum Strength for using it, seeing as Vulcans >were stronger than Humans and Spock never succeeded in teaching >Kirk (I forget which episode that's from, but it's in there -- >trust me). > Well, I thought about making it either a minimum Strength or Precision of 6, but decided against it because I wanted something characters can use who aren't combat monsters. High Precision isn't that common, *especially* among characters with high Strength/Corporeal forces. For example, the Cherub of Stone who started all this by wishing for the Vulcan nerve pinch can't learn it under this writeup. He's only got a Precision of 5. (Yes, I remember that conversation, and I can't remember which episode it was either.) Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:29:17 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Entropy and other whimsy >Okay, I have a couple of questions about an evil thought I had whilst >driving to work. > >I'm a celestial. I need a couple thousand fast, but the most valuble >possession I have is beat-up '95 automobile with two billion miles on it. >It's gotta go. > >1. Could I use the Corporeal song of Entropy to restore it to good >condition, or is the car too large/complex? The description I've got says *anything*, in nice italic letters, so the car looks perfectly acceptable. >2. Would such a use turn the odometer back? Physically, the car would be >restored, but how about the odometer? I'd say no -- just as an old car that's been poorly maintained could have few miles, so you might have a relatively new car that has a lot of miles(you drive a lot) but has been very well maintained. >Alec Fleschner William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 02:38:43 -0200 From: Bigatto Subject: Re: IN> New Corporeal Discord Woudn't it be a ethereal discord??? cassandra benner wrote: > Corporeal discord- addiction/internet > > This is one that a number of jeans mercurians seem to be racking up at an > alarming rate, seeing as they are amongst humanty more often than the rest. > > each level of discord leaves the bearer unable to spend any time less than > 2x level of discord on the net. > > With every 12 hours that pass the subject must make a will -level check to > not follow the urge through. If they fail they must get to a web interface > within level hours or suffer one point of mind hits per level of discord. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 03:07:17 -0200 From: Bigatto Subject: IN> Ethereals, a cloud of doubt... > I was thinking, what makes a ethereal stronger or weaker? Like, if he > doesn't have a lot of people believing in him will he die or will he just > be low on essence? > An etheral can aquire forces (or lose them) if they gather enough ( a > lot?) of essence (or fails to gather, if he can lose forces...) ? Do all ethereals have the same power when first created (ignoring the amount of people that believes, or not, in it) ? Please, explain a little more about them and the "mechanics" of the ethereal... For example: Imagine a fight of two ethereals: Mario and Hercules. Would Mario win just because he has more essence (from the kids and etc..) than Hercules? If yes, why? Would mario have more forces because of that? If he would, would that require a "maintenance" cost in essence? Can, at least theorically, a ethereal go to the celestial plane? Will there be a etheral player's guide? One last thing (for now.... :D), can ethereals have power comparable to the superior's? Example: How powerful was Zeus in the time of the roman empire (before it converted itself to christianism?) ? Thank you all, for your answers and time... Mauro. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 05:20:19 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> New Corporeal Discord mmm hmm more than likely, as i said, i dont have my books with me, but it seems more of a corporeal thing to me even tho it does mind hits. its a need for and earthly thing. >biggato wrote: > >Woudn't it be a ethereal discord??? >cassandra benner wrote: > > > Corporeal discord- addiction/internet Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:14:52 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) This is awful. I just can't get past Waitangi Day. I keep saying the words "Waitangi Day!", over and over again. In fact, "Waitangi Day!" has pretty much taken over my brain... Ahh. :) Moe Jingle Ethereal Spirit Corporeal Forces: 1 Strength: 1 Agility: 3 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 5 Precision: 1 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 6 Perception: 6 Skills: Knowledge (How to get a human to obsess over something/6, popular culture/2) Songs: Dreams (Corporeal/3,Ethereal/3, Celestial/6), Motion (Celestial/2), Tongues (Ethereal/3) No, it's not always Jingle's fault when you can't get a song out of your head. However, it's not for lack of trying. Jingle was just another one of those dream fragments out there, trying to stay stable for more than 15 seconds at a time, when he happened upon a trick. Humans have always had this problem with especially catchy tunes or sayings: quite by accident Jingle discovered that if he encouraged that while in someone's dreamscape, then he could hitch a ride in that person's subconscious when he or she woke up. Seeing as even the nastiest human's subconscious mind is often healthier than the Marches when the Tsayadim wander on by, this was a pleasing revelation. Jingle tends to spend his nights in the Marches, then grabs an available dreamscape, piggybacks into the corporeal plane and proceed to encourage repetitive mental behavior. That keeps him in the host's mind until he or she falls asleep again. It also nets him the occasional bit of Essence, especially when people complain about whatever it is that keeps them from getting the chorus to "Hey Nikki" out of their heads. Jingle isn't a bad spirit, really: he just wants to continue to exist, humans would be doing this sort of thing anyway and he's not doing anything that actually hurts anybody. Besides, some humans seem to _like_ sitting around singing the same song over and over again (or shouting out odd but interesting phrases like 'Waitangi Day!'). However, he's realized that his mere presence on the corporeal plane is only tolerated because nobody's noticed yet ... and when they do, Jingle has no combat abilities or real defenses except Running Away. He's hoping that nobody will take him seriously enough to want to hurt him. Of course, the next Kyriotate or Shedite that encounters a squatter in a area considered theirs will probably take steps to disabuse him of that notion. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 06:18:11 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys > > >--- Santiago wrote: > > The Ring of the Niflung Horde > Nibelung :) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:59:40 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Shiny Golden Toys > > The Ring of the Niflung Horde This was actually all inspired by the Viking Literature course I'm currently taking... >I hate to be a killjoy, but I think we have a confusion of rings here. > >First, there's a golden armring which was made for Odin as part of a >competition, where two dwarves were trying to produce the best set of >gifts -- that one (whose name I forget) is the one that spawns nine >identical rings every ninth night, or something like that. (I apologise, >it's been a while since I read this.) It has a name of its own -- Draupnir, >that's it, I believe. > >Then there's _The Ring_ which has been so celebrated in story and opera and >so forth, which was a part of Andvari's hoard of gold, and which was cursed >by its owner when the gods (Odin, Thor, and Loki, I think it was) took it >with them that it would bring disaster upon the keeper. It wasn't named as >such, though I think it's referred to as Andvari's Ring. According to some versions of the story, Andvari claims that if he had been able to keep the ring, he would have been able to replenish his fortune, and this has sometimes been taken to mean that it had the cloning power, possibly by conflation with the other story about Othin, which I've heard but didn't remember. Oh, for those of you unfamiliar with the spelling, I did indeed mean Niflung, which is the original Norse, written down in Iceland around the 11th century, but dating back to some time around the 6th or 7th century. Nibelung is from the Medieval Germanic version of the story, which is much duller, and which I'm currently having to read through. Eh? What's that? In Nomine content? I'm sure there must be some around here... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:03:36 +1300 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) >This is awful. I just can't get past Waitangi Day. I >keep saying the words "Waitangi Day!", over and over >again. In fact, "Waitangi Day!" has pretty much taken >over my brain... The question is.... why on Earth are you concerned with New Zealands travesty of a national holiday? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 01:07:34 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> New Corporeal Discord >>>Corporeal discord- addiction/internet >> >>Wouldn't it be a ethereal discord??? > >mmm hmm more than likely, as i said, i dont have my books with me, >but it seems more of a corporeal thing to me even tho it does mind >hits. > >its a need for an earthly thing Corporeal discords are things that affect your vessel, like obesity or blindness. Ethereal discords are things that affect your mind, like anger or fear. Celestial discords are things that affect you on a more fundamental level, such as lustfulness and murderousness, though the distinction between them and Ethereal ones is subtle. - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:52:19 -0500 From: "Tyto Alba" Subject: Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) > >Yeah, that tops it. Right up there with Jean having a burnt-out light bulb >on his desk lamp, or a smoking sparking coffeepot. > I have it on good authority that Jean's VCR blinks "12:00". tyto a. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:54:51 -0500 From: "Tyto Alba" Subject: Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) > >Beleth -- Caught watching "My Little Pony". > > I'm not sure about this one. Imagine this scenario: "Welcome to Hell, Mr. Alba. For your entertainment for the rest of time, we've arranged for a VCR and a copy of ..."My little Pony"!" "Nooooooooo! Can't I please go to Belial's part of hell? Please?" tyto a. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:56:36 -0500 From: "Tyto Alba" Subject: IN> Medieval Jean I am playing with the idea of a campaign set during the Purity Crusade, but am having problems coming up with servitor attunements for Jean's people. Any ideas? tyto a. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 07:05:24 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: Archangel Embarassments (was Re: IN> It's just an adventure seed...right?) - --On Tuesday, February 6, 2001 9:52 PM -0500 Tyto Alba wrote: > > >> >> Yeah, that tops it. Right up there with Jean having a burnt-out >> light bulb on his desk lamp, or a smoking sparking coffeepot. >> > I have it on good authority that Jean's VCR blinks "12:00". > ...and Vapula's blinks "Help Me!" Your point? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("...with the handy 216 function remote...") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:43:46 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean Tyto Alba wrote: > I am playing with the idea of a campaign set during the Purity > Crusade, but am having problems coming up with servitor > attunements for Jean's people. Any ideas? So far as I know, Jean's scanty canonical history indicates that he has ALWAYS been a patron of technical and scientific inspiration, even in the vast bulk of human history when we had no understanding or use of electricity at all. So you have to think medieval-tech. One natural area is alchemy. Let Jean's servitors be able to create chemicals that, when mixed with lead or other based metals, really DO change them into silver or gold. That's rather specialized, but other alchemical tricks include: - potions of healing (historical alchemy) - potions of rejuvenation or age-prevention (historical alchemy) - "mithril" or other ultra-metals (fantasy alchemy) - creating or improving gemstones (fantasy alchemy) - creating tiny, mindless, but possibly useful "homunculi" (historical alchemy) - creating magic mirrors, crystal balls, etc. (fantasy alchemy) Creating golems could be a Jeanite ability, too. Cutting-edge late medieval technology was clockwork. "Magical" clockwork minions or horses could be Jeanite artifacts. In an era of major church- and cathedral-building, people were rather conscious of how often steeples were struck by lightning. Perhaps Jeanites can cast lightning *from* a steeple. (This would sure explain the fabled demonic reluctance to tread on consecrated ground.) Or perhaps they can do something interesting with bells, or the sound of steeple bells (also said to be anti-demonic). Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:50:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Ranma al'Thor" Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Tyto Alba wrote: > I am playing with the idea of a campaign set during the Purity Crusade, >but am having problems coming up with servitor attunements for Jean's >people. Any ideas? > Storm Walker The Angel can pass through any stormy weather as if it wasn't there, ignoring wind, rain, snow, hail, and especially lightning. Call Lightning During a storm, the angel can call down a stroke of lightning upon a target by expending one or more essence. The target suffers hits equal to twice the check digit of a perception check (used to target the bolt) plus the amount of essence spent. People in metal armor or standing in water will take three times, instead of twice, and the Angel gets a +2 bonus to hit them. Ride the Lightning An expenditure of one essence lets the Angel call down lightning upon himself, then 'ride the bolt' up into the clouds from which it came, and erupt down to a location of his choice within the clouded over area a few seconds later. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu http://www.dkcomm.net/rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "That all princes shall kiss the foot of the Pope alone."--Dictatus Papae, 11th century ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 14:56:16 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean >In an era of major church- and cathedral-building, people were >rather conscious of how often steeples were struck by lightning. >Perhaps Jeanites can cast lightning *from* a steeple. (This would >sure explain the fabled demonic reluctance to tread on consecrated >ground.) I like this. Although IMC, I just give all demons minuses on all celestially-based rolls while on consecrated ground. Or perhaps they can do something interesting with >bells, or the sound of steeple bells (also said to be anti-demonic). This sounds more like a Sword attunement to me. Something to do with church bells and the Symphony? And it would have to be real church bells (now rather rare except in England), not recorded or electronic ones. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:09:22 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean Janet Anderson wrote: > This sounds more like a Sword attunement to me. Something to do > with church bells and the Symphony? And it would have to be real > church bells (now rather rare except in England), not recorded or > electronic ones. Since this is for a medieval campaign, recorded bells are not likely to be a problem. But yes, it would fit the Sword pretty well. Also, since it's musical, it could even be connected to the Outcast Grigori Archangel of Song, which might be a nice bit of background flavor. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:14:13 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean Ranma al'Thor wrote: > Storm Walker [snip] > > Call Lightning > During a storm, the angel can call down a stroke of lightning > upon a target by expending one or more essence. The target > suffers hits equal to twice the check digit of a perception check > (used to target the bolt) plus the amount of essence spent. > People in metal armor or standing in water will take three times, > instead of twice, and the Angel gets a +2 bonus to hit them. > > Ride the Lightning [snip] I like these, but I have a technical quibble with Call Lightning. First, the amount of damage is very low, considering how powerful a lightning strike really is. Perhaps that is the damage done by lightning called out of a clear sky, but if there's a real thunderstorm going on, you get a guaranteed vessel-vaporizer. Second, wouldn't *complete* armor (plate or chain) make a pretty good Faraday cage, which would *protect* against a lightning strike? (Of course, the armor is likely to heat up a lot, even if it does prtect you from the direct strike...) Earl ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2048 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.