From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Feb 8 18:20:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18118 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:20:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA15667 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:23:53 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:23:53 -0600 Message-Id: <200102090023.SAA15667@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2050 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, February 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2050 In this digest: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Re:IN> February 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Marianland - IN seeds aplenty Re: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments Re: IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Medieval Jean IN> Marianland IS Legion Re: IN> This is Chuckg's fault. Re: IN> Medieval Jean IN> The Demon of Dogma IN> The Demon of Dogma (continued) Re: IN> Medieval Jean Re: IN> This is Chuckg's fault. Fwd: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Re: Fwd: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> The Demon of Dogma Re: Fwd: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Re: Fwd: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) IN> Can Grigori Fall? IN> Pray before Surfing Re: IN> Marianland IS Legion IN> Healing question Re: IN> Healing question IN> Dark Victory IN> As long as we're getting inspiration from songs stuck in heads... Re: IN> Ethereals, a cloud of doubt... IN> February 7, 2001 (ML) IN> Suggestions for WWII game. Re: IN> Dark Victory Re: IN> Healing question Re: IN> February 7, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:14:49 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) >On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:49:52 -0500 Elizabeth McCoy > writes: >> >> Oh, mickey, it's a pity you don't understand, >> you take me by the heart when you take me by the hand. >> Oh Mickey, you're so pretty, can't you understand... >> It's guys like you, Mickey! >> >> I'm going to have to kill someone now, I can tell. > > My trite and catchy 80s song of choice was usually Wang Chung's >"Everybody Have Fun Tonight", myself. > > ... > > ... > > ... > > "OH eeeeverybody have fun tonight > (Everybody have fun tonight) > everybody Wang Chung tonight > (everybody wang chung tonight....)" > > Kill me now. She needs to kill somebody, and you need to be killed; perfect match! :) So, anybody for a few choruses of Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On"?... - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re:IN> February 5, 2001 (ML) Date: 6 Feb 2001 21:00:12 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> February 5, 2001 (ML) On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:11:39 -0800 (PST) Maurice Lane wrote: >>Back to weird, I guess. It needs some work, but >>there's good mood behind it, I think. Feedback >>welcome. > 'weird'? WIERD, Moe?!? this is dark, sick, and >twisted, PERFECT for In Nomine. how could you >possibly define *this* as wierd--it's probably the >most "normal" thing you've written to date within the >themes of the game! --and yes, those were all >compliments .... Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but _I_ still think that it's kind of strange. Of course, it's Vaputech, so that's expected. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:20:02 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Marianland - IN seeds aplenty >Check out: >http://www.marianland.com/marianland.html > >for the lastest *real life* Christian Theme Park coming soon to Orlando, FL, >the state the elected who the Christian American President. >But, it's slated to arrive in 1999, so I wonder if it actually happened. If >not, perhaps you and your gaming group can decide why. > >heh heh heh > >Infernal plot or angel rivalries? I'm thinking a combined effort from Heaven and Hell against this one... - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:17:45 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:16:42 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Archangel Embarassments >"Speak to me not of N'Sync. Theirs is artifice. The >Backstreet Boys have strength that N'Sync could never >hope to achieve."- -- God, that thought is going to stay with me for a long time... or at least until I write out the Angel of Pop Boy Bands. Kyrio of Stone, of course. Those guys _can't_ be averaging 5 Forces: a sufficiently pumped Kyrio should be able to possess the entire band...* ;) Moe *You can all relax: I don't really want to do this one. I _could_, you know: I simply choose not to. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:19:31 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:56:47 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> The Vulcan nerve pinch Nice. Needs a knife chord whenever used, of course, but nice. I can live with this one, BTW. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:22:08 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:03:36 +1300 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) >>This is awful. I just can't get past Waitangi Day. >>I keep saying the words "Waitangi Day!", over and >>over again. In fact, "Waitangi Day!" has pretty >>much taken over my brain... >The question is.... why on Earth are you concerned >with New Zealands travesty of a national holiday? Err... it was on the IN Calendar, and I had a self-imposed deadline to worry about. Oddly enough, I haven't felt the urge to shout it out since. Funny, that. ;) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:27:20 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:07:54 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: Re: IN> Medieval Jean >These would be wonderful for the modern-day Archangel >of Lightning too, in a heretical campaign. *looks >over to make sure Moe isn't reading this, he's got >plenty of heretical ideas as it is* :P Actually, I've been paying attention to this one: there's that Heretical AA of Steam I did (for Jon's DeusX campaign world) who took over for the martyred Jean. I was thinking about doing archaic Servitor Attunements for Lightning's Orphans, but I frankly didn't have _time_ at the time. Now I may not have to. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:32:23 -0500 From: "Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki" Subject: IN> Marianland IS Legion > >Infernal plot or angel rivalries? > > I'm thinking a combined effort from Heaven and Hell against this one... Considering the only combined effort of that sort I can think of in In Nomine canon, I get this image of the park saying: "I am Marianland, for I am many." Considering the collage they use for the image, this is even easier to imagine than I expected... -Loki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> This is Chuckg's fault. Date: 7 Feb 2001 10:49:14 -0800 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> This is Chuckg's fault. On Wed, 07 February 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: >>It's also rumored that abusing your resonance in >>this way will lead to other types of permanent >>damage (a _lot_ of celestials with this Discord also >>have Celestial Blindness), but it hasn't been proved >>yet. >What, no Corporeal Discord: Hairy? ;) Well, I didn't want to be _too_ obvious about it. Of course, this isn't precisely subtle as written, but at least your average Elohite might scratch its head over the smirks. :) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" >This line literally knocked me out of my chair. I >hurt my elbow during the fall. You will be hearing >from my lawyer shortly.:) Hey, look at the subject line. I'm a victim here too, you know. :) Also, more seriously ... naah, I can't be serious about this one at all. I liked the angelic versions mentioned later (and the Lilim), but I won't use them. _Nice_ celestials don't do this sort of thing...* and Lilim don't _have_ to. :) Moe *Well, not to the point where it's a Discord. They get past it. Usually. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:02:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Ranma al'Thor" Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Laurent wrote: > Alchemy transformations are more Creation-like to me. > > Also, I'm not sure of the use of Storm Walker, and Call Lightning looks a lot Ever tried to walk or move quickly during a storm? Or fight in one? It depends a lot on how much emphasis your game put on weather and environmental modifiers as to whether or not Storm Walker would be a very useful attunement. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu http://www.dkcomm.net/rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "That all princes shall kiss the foot of the Pope alone."--Dictatus Papae, 11th century ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:48:45 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Demon of Dogma Timeus Balseraph of the Game The Duke of Undeniable Righteousness The Demon of Dogma Cor-2 Strength-4 Agility-6* Eth- 6 Intelligence-12 Precision-12 Cel-6 Will-12 Perception-12 Artifact: He can request nearly any one he wants from Asmodeus though he usually has a reliquary or two in the form of a holy symbol. He often is armed with a flamming sword that appears to be a cane when he doesn't desire it to be. Vessel: Human 6/ Charisma +3 (Human Male though it's guise's depends on his role. He is want to assume servitor's roles on occasion to hide from the Sword, a method while costly in the number of demons it kills has allowed him considerable extra time of survival) Skills: Artistic Ability (Preaching) 6/, Detect Lies 3/, Emote 6/, Fighting 4/, Large Weapon 3/, Savoir-Faire 6/, Seduction 3/ (Not usually physical but mental), Theology 6/ (Mostly Catholic and Protestant Christianity but a strong grounding in other religeous texts that are ambigious in their "justice") Songs: Song of Attraction (Ethereal 4/), Song of Charm (Ethereal 5/, Celestial 5/), Song of Form (Celestial 5/), Song of Harmony (Ethereal 3/*) * raised independantly ** Another popular tool is to lure even just Malakim into theological debate...and then have them Timeus (Perfect, Admirable, Honorable) is one of the few Demons that has managed to survive being a target of the Order of the Eternal Sword and Laurence's personal enmity for more than a few centuries and it is a testament to his evil cunning and prowess that he has managed to continue sucessfully promoting his word all this time. The reason Timeus is such an affront to Laurence is not because he has slain many servitors of the Sword in their attempts to destroy him though that plays a part, it is not because that Christianity is Timeus's preffered target for his assaults though that plays a part, but that Timeus is a Fallen Angel of the Sword himself and before serving the Commander of the Host was one of Uriel's most trusted angels. It is an affront that neither Laurence nor any of his other servitors can forgot, or Khalid to a lesser extent. Timeus fledged as a Seraphim early on in his service to the Archangel of Purity not long after the Fall with Timeus believing it was his sworn duty as an angel to spend the rest of his existence singing the praises of the Lord. Rising rapidly in the service of the Archangel Timeus spent much of his time serving as Uriel's personal theologian and debating with servitors of Knowledge, Fire, Judgement, and Destiny the True nature of God's purpose for his servants and more than frequently won those he argued over to his side. Timeus's beliefs reflected to a great extent Uriel's in his latter years and may indeed claims to this day he influenced the Archangel to his later opinions though this is perhaps simple Balseraph lies. His beliefs were heartfelt however and by the time he became a Trisagonist for the Heavengly Choir he was firmly set in his belief that the divine had revealed itself to him that God had predestined all things from the Fall to the utter annhilation of Hell's service upon Armageddon, that all Angels were by nature infalliable in the course of their duties though they may disagree in their limitation from God, and it was both angels and man's place to merely give glory to God by attempting to become as like him in pure goodness as possible in every possible way. After the Council of Nicea in which Timeus had a role as the Bishop of Corinth, Timeus was forwarded for a word and accepted it with humble gratitude the word of Dogma. Having converted with Uriel to the religeon of God in the revealed form of Christianity Timeus preached a manifest destiny that it was to be led by heaven to embrace all other religeons and strike them from the face of the Earth, as a Seraph believing it to be the truth he could advocate no less. It was at this time that he was charged with educating new relievers in the ways of Uriel's service and eventually he attracted many fully fledged angels to his ways as countless Malakim and Seraphim were yielded from his unbending charismatic and passionate approach to God's kingdom. Elohim had very little place in Timeus's world view and few fledged during his time and those already in uriel's service were given a cold shoulder for their "passionless world view" and Khalid and he were enemies from momment one as the angel of Dogma viewed Muhammed's religeon as perversion if not outright diabolic. It is suggested that one of Timeus's followers during this time may indeed have been a young Laurence. Timeus's troubles began however after the Purity Crusade in which he passionately argued for the Ethereal's destruction as perversions of God's truth and thus abominations to the Pure Overmind that Uriel envisioned for all of God's kingdom to inhabit...for if humanity could dream of nothing but good then evil would at last be exercised. God intervened though and removed Lord Uriel leaving him in the service of Laurence. It wasn't that Timeus did not respect God's decision, such a thing was irrelevant, it was simply the new Commander of the Host was incompetant. Time and time again Timeus worked to try and promote Catholicism as the one world religeon but Laurence's support of the Crusades was tepid at best and he was unwilling to call a trial on Khalid for abandoning his master's service. Timeus's faith wavered in his commander even as he grew more ridgid in his theology until the time of the Protestant reformation in which Catholicism's power was broken over Europe. Disobeying direct orders Timeus racked up dissonance in Spain to try and protect Catholocism's interests there and ultimately as he fell he realized in a momment of clarity that his theology had been right all along and indeed God was working through Laurence....it was his destiny to fail. Timeus suceeded in slaying the previous holder of the Word of Dogma in Hell and Lucifer bestowed it upon him not momments later as he was rather quickly scooped up by Asmodeus for help in perverting the Spanish inquisition to his properties. To Laurence's eternal shame Timeus used his own servitor's faith in God and his dissonance conditions plus the knowledge he had ENTRUSTED in his angel to pervert many soldiers, servitors, and allies of Laurence in the region. For his work from the Tether of the Game in Torquemada's fortress monastary Timeus swore to teach the Truth of God...no matter how unpleasant. To this day many followers of Timeus have come to view service in Hell as the wrath of God on undeserving humanity and angelic host...and not just the massive ammounts of Habbalah in the Duke's service. Unlike most Dukes of Hell Timeus does not spend the majority of his time in his principality controlling his servitors but communicates to them through relics in the guise of religeous icons such as Bibles that Fundementalist preachers so often carry around as parts of their hands, rings worn on the fingers of bishops, Orthodox Rabbi's scripture, and even the prayer mats of "faithful" Muslim Imans. Timeus instead wears the roles of Asmodeus's favored servitors and preaches his mantras of judgemental hate, intolerance, and vengence. His philosophy is the exact one that the Nazarene he once followed spoke out against so frequently and Laurence thinks him personally the greatest blight on civilized religeon that currently exist. This may or may not be true but the Balseraph is indeed a stain on the honor of Heaven's servants and Asmodeus is quite content with his servitor's progress in corrupting the lives of so many. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:05:28 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Demon of Dogma (continued) OH blast it, sent it too soon Attunements: Balseraph of the Game, Demon of Dogma, Dissonance Binding, Humanity (another reason he has survived so long), Quotation, Knight of Judgement, Captain of Intergrity, Baron of Justice Word Forces: 13-15 (In today's mostly secular world Dogma is not the most important word among Asmodeus's Dukes and relatively speaking Themeus is a weak spirit for holding such a rank however it has such a resonance in the Celestial world it often more than makes up for it's weakness in publicity from Afghanistan to Bible Thumping Evangelists whom shout "God hates fags") Demon of Dogma attunements: Demon of Dogma: This ability is an ability Themeus reserves solely for himself in that it allows him to look into a human's heart and know exactly how much he honestly believes the spiritual truth of his religeon and thus determine for himself the extent of which a man is willing to go for his faith. Quotation: That the Devil can quote scripture is especially true in the case of the Demon of Dogma as he effectively by this ability can with the expenditure of three essence make a particular passage read aloud from scripture or some similar work to resound with a certain type of emotion or feeling. Thus "Suffer not a witch to live" could be filled with rage or hate (not that it needs much even mistranslated) or the passages of "Ham's descendants shall live in unpleasant conditions yada yada yada forevermore" to make one ambivalent about race relations. This attunement Themeus routinely shares with his servitors and is one of the most hated by Seraphim and other religeous angels as any other for it attaches agendas and lies to God's words and the words of his people. Special Rites: All of Asmodeus's. * Make a man's faith devoid of anything just or holy * "Prove" a act of evil is in accordance to God's word - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:30:39 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean Tyto Alba wrote: > Accurate maps would indeed be celestial technology at this point. Note that a USEABLE map, for a Medieval, might more resemble a "triptik" from AAA -- a long strip showing the turns to make along the way to wherever. That, at least, is what a Medieval would prably expect. A map that looked like an aerial view might be more confusing than illuminating, however accurate. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:17:08 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> This is Chuckg's fault. At 7:36 PM -0500 2/7/01, William J. Keith wrote: [...] >Ofanim: Goes out to "explore," often at high speed. During this time, can >be seen nodding at street signs. ("Yep, I knew that.") Hrm. Most of the time, Ofanim already _do_ "self-resonate," by default. Though I suppose one could go around resonating on "Where am _I_?" and getting "Right Here!" Kind of zen... >Elohim: Get *really* introspective and start seeking total calmness. Not >just not letting emotions affect their activities, but being actually >emotionless. Nahhhh -- they'd be more likely to go, "Oh, so _that's_ why I'm feeling this. Interesting. Let's go poking through my subconscious a little more. This is illuminating." - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:47:00 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:20:30 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Casca ] (Your buffer was full, and messages were bouncing! --Beth) >Date: 8 Feb 2001 09:16:34 -0800 >From: Casca >Subject: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) > >On Wed, 07 February 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > >> Err... it was on the IN Calendar, and I had a >> self-imposed deadline to worry about. >> >> Oddly enough, I haven't felt the urge to shout it out >> since. Funny, that. > >Whereas I, on the other hand, have enjoyed saying "Tu B'shvat" ever since I heard Peter Graves say it on a Comedy Central ad. > >Yes, I *do* have something cooking for Jewish Arbor Day. ;) > > >-- Casca > >"...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of >His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: >with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their >feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the >doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." > -- Isaiah 6:2,4 >_______________________________________________________ >Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! >Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:50:30 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) >> Whereas I, on the other hand, have enjoyed saying "Tu B'shvat" ever >>since I heard Peter >> Graves say it on a Comedy Central ad. I have a special fondness for Tisha B'av, a Jewish holiday most noted for the fact that no one seems to remember precisely when it is. Around my house, "Tisha B'av" was a synonym for "whenever I get around to it" or "the 12th of never." * * * * * Jason Schneiderman, Editor, EDITORIAL HUMOR. E-mail: edhumor@tiac.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:47:19 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Dogma >From: "Charles Phipps" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: IN> The Demon of Dogma >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:48:45 -0500 > >Timeus >Balseraph of the Game >The Duke of Undeniable Righteousness >The Demon of Dogma Kewl, Like the part where you hinted that Larry was one of his former protege's. No wonder he wants him broken down to his componet forces. Bradley Paranial, Elohite Friend of the Lords Troops. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:21:45 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) > >I have a special fondness for Tisha B'av, a Jewish holiday most noted for >the fact that no one seems to remember precisely when it is. Around my >house, "Tisha B'av" was a synonym for "whenever I get around to it" or "the >12th of never." > Surely that's because (like most Jewish festivals) it changes every year? jo (I take it you didn't fast then :) That makes things memorable.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:42:57 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) >>I have a special fondness for Tisha B'av, a Jewish holiday most noted for >>the fact that no one seems to remember precisely when it is. Around my >>house, "Tisha B'av" was a synonym for "whenever I get around to it" or "the >>12th of never." >> >Surely that's because (like most Jewish festivals) it changes every year? Partially. But my parents - not being particularly strict in observance - weren't even aware of the month, or the season, in which it came. The usage came from my grandmother and my great aunts, who also didn't know. yours, August, incidentally, Jason * * * * * Jason Schneiderman, Editor, EDITORIAL HUMOR. E-mail: edhumor@tiac.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:34:48 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Can Grigori Fall? I was at David Edelstein's page (I love this guy's work) and he recently did an interesting write-up of the Grigori. http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/Grigori.html One of the more interesting questions posed is that the Grigori as the most close to the human form are almost indistinguishable from humans in mindset and this led me to a rather fascinating deduction as to why we never have seen a Fallen form of the Grigori....despite the fact that the Nephilim are huge monstrous murderous beings who frankly would fit in well amongst the hosts of Haagenti, Andrephalus, Baal, and Belial. What if the Grigori are blessed/cursed with a mindset that is so distinctly human that while they can go insane (humans do things that crack their minds like dissonance) they never can so radically alter themselves that they do a complete 180 in their beliefs and focus....maybe a 90 or 170 but never a complete change because they're JUST NOT LIKE NORMAL ANGELS. It's quite the interesting policy and may explain why the Malakim were never comfortable around them, I imagine the Mercurians mixed with the Malakim were the ones who finally drove the Grigori out by vote. IMHO the Grigori and Mercurians were probably great enemies (special thanks to Alex Lidell for helping me reach this conclusion) because of jealousy. Thoughts? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:50:50 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Pray before Surfing Yo!! This is the hip, cool, suave k-f-c bringing to light a little something of me for now my life is full of hope a prayer for the internet, ain't that dope? click it : http://www.catholic.org/isidore/prayer.htm - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation, bringing you another information from the INS/MV mailing list, without all the french (Marionland was brought to my attention through the INS/MV list, too) perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:53:10 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Marianland IS Legion > > >Infernal plot or angel rivalries? > > > > I'm thinking a combined effort from Heaven and Hell against this one... > >Considering the only combined effort of that sort I can think of in In >Nomine canon, I get this image of the park saying: "I am Marianland, for I >am many." Considering the collage they use for the image, this is even >easier to imagine than I expected... > -Loki Naw, its a Kyriotate Superior, the Archangel of Themeparks, and BOY does he have a lot of Forces. :) - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Healing question How much oomph does the Corporeal Song of Healing have? Can it regenerate limbs, for example? Or was this left deliberately vague? :) Subject: Re: IN> Healing question At 02:10 PM 2/8/01 -0800, you wrote: >How much oomph does the Corporeal Song of Healing >have? Can it regenerate limbs, for example? Only if the wound is fresh (i.e., still bleeding), IIRC. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:50:46 -0500 From: Mary Subject: IN> Dark Victory Is Kris Overstreet, aka The Mastermind behind the Dark Victory net book still around? If so, where? "Eat hot flaming plasmic pulse cannon death, you saucer-alien human-abducting alien bastards!" -- Captain Ano Itai, EAS Dauntless ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Pedersen Subject: IN> As long as we're getting inspiration from songs stuck in heads... "He looks around, around he sees angels in the architecture spinning in infinity... He says "Amen and Hallelujah!" Pedahzur was once a powerful Cherub servitor of David. He was particularly enamored of religion, and espically its architecture. He thought beautiful religious buildings and works of religious art were a great way to get humans to embrace the ideals of religion. During the 11th century, the Seraphim Council granted him the Word of Religious Sculpture. Soon after being granted his word, Pedahzur put forward a plan that he had been thinking about for some time. His idea was to collect a number of angels who were good at combat and perception, then give them vessels in the shape of religious statuary. These angels would stay in churches, synagoges, cathedrals, and protect them against demonic incursions, staying "undercover" in their statue vessles were needed. The benefits of this plan, in Pedahzur's eyes, was that the angels in their statue vessels would never have to get new vessle appearances to prevent the appearance of immortality, and they would be very hard to tell from the general mass of religious art that usually filled churches, giving them excellent cover. Pedahzur managed to convince the Seraphim Council that his idea was sound, and he was given command of the project. He called for volunteers, and got a very good selection of angels. He selected the angels for the project mostly from the organiziations of War, the Sword, Protection, and Stone. Angels were generally assigned one to a religious building, and given orders to watch for demons, or help angels in trouble. Then disaster struck. Pedahzur had never been one for keeping extensive records, and relied mostly on his excellent memory to recall where all the angels had been placed. Even worse, he didn't give anyone else a complete list of all the emplacements either. So when he was killed, in the process of defending a cathedral from a bunch of Calabim, no one knew where all the angels (over a thousand) were. Unfortunately, Pedahzur had placed the angels according to his own personal views on how important a religious building was, which meant it wasn't possible to simply search all the large temples to get the angels back. Finding all of them would have required searching every religious building of Christianity, Judaism, and Buddhism across half the world. Even so, about 200 of the angels were recovered almost immediately, and since then, about 400 more have returned to heaven after having their vessels destroyed by various natural disasters, religious shifts, and demonic incursions. But approximately 400 angels are still out there, in the form of innocuous statues in temples, churches, and other religious buildings, ready to activate when demons show up. They can represent an excellent source of aid for angel characters, should they be outmatched and in need of help near a church or temple, or they can be an unwelcome surprise for demons who just wanted to do some petty vandalism. And for angel characters, getting these angels who have been out of the loop for nearly a thousand years acclimated to the modern world can provide many adventures all by itself. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:12:02 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: Re: IN> Ethereals, a cloud of doubt... > > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:52:20 -0500 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > >One last thing (for now.... :D), can ethereals have power > comparable to the > >superior's? Example: How powerful was Zeus in the time of > the roman empire > >(before it converted itself to christianism?) ? > > When Zeus was at his prime, he was comparable in power to a > minor Superior, > I believe. (I think this was mentioned somewhere in the Marches.) The Midguard Serpent was supposed to be superior level as well in its appearance in the revelation cycle. From what I remember of the last time we discussed that here it was to stop the PC's breaking into Portsmouth Docks and half inching half a dozen Nuclear depth charges rather than go looking for Thor. Soldiers do make a mess of that. Along with the Holiest man in the world... Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:12:04 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: IN> February 7, 2001 (ML) > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:57:06 -0800 (PST) > From: Maurice Lane > Now, watching a bunch of demons try to bully, smash > and bat ethereals around without actually killing one > (and the bluffs will get harder and harder to make) > would be funny enough, but there's a wrinkle (of > course). It would seem that a certain oni has decided > to handle his favorite enemy by going to the source. > He's somehow got his hands on a bunch of people who > like making poison gas and don't like Chinese, Such as that always favourite Japanese millennial apocalypse cult Aum Shinrikyo, Makers of Biowarfare weapons and Nerve gas for the indiscriminate Messiah. > and > he's planning to connect the two at the traditional > Chinese holiday of the Lantern Festival. This will > have bad consequences, and may even decrease Nybbas' > market share as his contract workers go on 'sick > leave' (read: "all out vendetta"), so that simply > can't be allowed to happen. Small thought, some of the Princes of Hell probably rather like some Chinese festivals Haggendi and Saminga rather like the Bun Festival for example. Belial likes the two clean up your ancestors grave festivals. All those hill fires they starts. [Six years in Hong Kong and I don't think either of those festivals failed to start an out of control major fire once.] I'm not sure about Dragon boat racing, I can see Nybas wanting to update that. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:26:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Lahnum Subject: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. I was just wondering if anyone had any good suggestion about creating a WWII espionage type setting for In Nomine. I wanted to focus the game around the various secret organizations that existed around that time. I'm going to be doing a lot of research here, but I also figured I'd open it up to all of you to send some stuff my way if you have any ideas. I haven't figured out exactly what's going on yet, because I'm just now in the preliminary stages of the though process on it. However, I figure both Heaven and Hell would be in turmoil over who is or isn't the right side to support in all of this. I can see them walking both sides of the fence on this one. Regards, Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:34:18 -0600 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> Dark Victory At 05:50 PM 2/8/01 -0500, you wrote: >Is Kris Overstreet, aka The Mastermind behind the Dark Victory net book >still around? > I'm around, but I've been working on non-IN projects while trying to keep my company afloat. Redneck Kris Overstreet, aka Redneck Gaijin publisher, White Lightning Prod. - www.wlpcomics.com I ***LOATHE*** Microsoft Outlook. Please get Eudora. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:47:40 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Healing question >How much oomph does the Corporeal Song of Healing >have? Can it regenerate limbs, for example? > >Or was this left deliberately vague? > >:) > >Moe Reattach severed limbs on a critical success, sayeth G:IN; this is barely more likely than a favorable Intervention. You could say "Success with CD of 6" is close enough. As for regeneration, a similar Intervention or crit might be reasonable. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:44:47 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> February 7, 2001 (ML) From: "Adam Benedict Canning" > > Haggendi and Saminga rather like the Bun Festival > for example. And the Bun-Bun festival is a huge hit with Furfur... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:18:41 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. - -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Lahnum To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. >I haven't figured out exactly what's going on yet, >because I'm just now in the preliminary stages of the >though process on it. However, I figure both Heaven >and Hell would be in turmoil over who is or isn't the >right side to support in all of this. I can see them >walking both sides of the fence on this one. Uh... I don't think you should have any trouble telling which side in The War would side with in WWII. Baal, Saminga, Belial and Kronos would be rooting for the Nazis simply out of principle. The fact that the Jewish people (probably a big source of Soldiers of God) got hunted down specifically, would make the Nazis a real hit for them. Vapula's influence is also very clear, as both the Nazis and the Japanese performed countless inhumane experiments on human tests subjects. I'm sure Vapula had a ton of Servitors in the field to record the info. Another detail also points out the Nazi's link to the Infernals: The Swatika is a reversed, counter-clockwise version of the Buddhist cross, which is normally clockwise, serving as a symbol of Life. Know any other group that swears allegiance to the Reversed Cross? As for the Guys and Gals of Heaven, they're obviously backing the Allies. David's in Britain, helping to keep the nation strong in the face of Adversity, Michael's in the field, beating down direct Infernal interference, Laurence is handling the protection of the Allied commanders and their forces, Gabriel and Janus are doing espionnage and while Novalis and Marc are keeping things organized on the Home Front. Even Yves is doing extra duty, with the Destinies of so many people on the line... Oh, and if you're wondering about Jean, he's having the moral crisis of the century right there... You see, he's still wondering if the war can come to a swift end on it's own, or if he should declassify the Atom Bomb now... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2050 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.