From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Feb 9 16:50:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10927 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:50:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA00930 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:51:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:51:58 -0600 Message-Id: <200102092251.QAA00930@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2053 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, February 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2053 In this digest: Re: IN> Can Grigori Fall? IN> The Ministry of Love IN> Human Words/Symphonic Words Re: IN> Superiors during WW2 thoughts Re: IN> Superiors during WW2 thoughts Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Superiors during WW2 thoughts Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. Re: IN> Angels in the Architecture Re: IN> The Ministry of Love Re: IN> Angels in the Architecture Re: IN> Thoughts on Hardcore IN>Factions Adventure Seed Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. Re: IN> Angels in the Architecture IN> Free Lilim and Servants Re: IN> Medieval Jean Re: IN> Free Lilim and Servants Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. Re: IN> Healing question Re: IN> Discord: Floating Re: IN>Factions Adventure Seed IN> Re: Hardcore or "What's Lucifer's deal with stupid Princes?" Re: IN> Can Grigori Fall? Re: IN> Medieval Jean IN> The Bun-Bun Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:05:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Can Grigori Fall? On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Prodigal wrote: > From: "David Edelstein" > > > > The Skulkers, as written, are just "evil Grigori." > > As the least Divine of all choirs, it makes perfect sense. Yeah, I agree. They're more like humans. They can't really "Fall"... they just "go bad". In doing so, they lose a little touch with the Symphony but gain a little freedom... but nothing much really changes. They're still Grigori, really, just darker. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Want to hold up a bank in Latin? "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam." (I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:33:43 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: IN> The Ministry of Love Before each unborn soul is released into the world through the gates of fire, there is a period of acclimatisation and education in Heaven. Yves and selected nursery angels lecture the souls on morality, culture, faith, and how to mix the perfect martini cocktail. The kiss of the recording angel and the force of leaving heaven expels all this knowledge and these memories from the newborn's mind. Perhaps they will have fragmentary visions of their time in Heaven in dreams, or on hearing great music, or when sampling particularly good cocktails. Or perhaps not. Even reborn saints may never recollect what they once were until they re-enter Heaven through the pearly gates and greet the Recording Angel by name. But during this initial evaluation period, Yves identifies the destinies of all the souls and records them in his Book of Life, which angels are forbidden to read without authorisation. Each soul is pre-ordained to have one perfect mate, one partner who will complete them in the same way that Eve completed Adam, Juliet completed Romeo, and Nicole Kidman didn't complete Tom Cruise. These names are also written in the book. There is a secret squad of Destiny Malakim whose sworn duty is to help bring these people together. Such soul-mates needn't involve marriage, sex, or babies. They needn't be opposite genders, or the same generation. They might simply be truly close friends, business partners, a teacher and pupil, or siblings. And they might be on opposite sides of the planet. Often Mercurians are drafted in to help the process along, for those cases where a flaming sword and moral platitudes don't quite swing it. And, of course, they mix the best cocktails. Kronos has a similar organisation. It's also known as The Ministry of Love, because members help humans to find partners. The more unsuitable, the better . . . Plot Seed: (do I need to fill this in? :) ) PCs are contacted by some of the Malakite hit-squad from the Ministry of Lurve. There is a grouchy confirmed batchelor who teaches at a local college - -- it is his destiny to fall in love with a 40-year old mother of two who works at a diner. Can the PCs help? Perhaps her naive yet cute children can help bring the couple together? *GM advice: This is every naffola chick-flick comedy you have ever seen. Put as many obstacles as possible in the way of the happy couple.* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:50:05 +1300 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: IN> Human Words/Symphonic Words I have an idea. First I need to clarify my position on Words. I think that a Word that waxes and wanes with Human perception is a good idea.... except when the Word has NOTHING to do with Humanity. Take Baal for instance. His Word is The War. Humans in general have no clue about the war between Heaven and Hell, let alone support it. How is it then that his Word is powerful and that he is so powerful? It certainly isn't because The War is forefront in human society and at the tip of everyones tounges. Celestials can have Words bound to them conceivably of any concept within The Symphony, not just Earth. If there needed to be an Angel of Heavenly Architecture then there would be, and of course given how busy he was he may be quite powerful. Not the pitiful wretch he would be if the "Human Words" rule was applied to him. In fact, he wouldn't grow above possibly 2 Word Forces. Baal had his Word given to him after the Fall. Humans and the concept of Human driven Words was well entrenched. By the ruling, his Word would become meaningless instantly, Humans don't have a clue and therefore the Word weakens. All of Baal's acceleration of major global conflicts is rubbish, he doesn't care about War... it's The War that drives him. Two monkeys going at one another with sharpened sticks means jack to Baal. Two Celestials going tooth and nail and his Word gets the boost it needs. Now you can argue that the rules in the GMG concerning Words don't apply to Superiors. I say hogwash to that. Too many things "don't affect Superiors", Resonances, Songs, Attunements, our ideas of their plans, our estimations of their personalities. A Superior is powerful, but not powerful enough to control the ebb and flow of their own Word directly. That would cost far too much Essence and expend far too much energy. Lucifer and the combined might of ALL the Archangels could probably do it to ONE person, but the effort required would have to be justified. This is all just explaination of my madness of course. The real reason I give the history is because I am introducing a new "rule". Human Words and Symphonic Words. Human Words are the normal. Wind, Fire, Beggers, Toenail Clippings, Gambling, Electricity and so on. They are controlled by human perception, as the monkeys increase in knowledge of the Word, so does the Celestial. (or whatever you want to call it.) Symphonic Words are the Words that have NOTHING to do with humanity, or are very special to Celestials in general. The War is the biggest example. The Dawn is another (I can't remember where I saw it but I loved the guy immediately). Ascention, Heavenly Communication, Essence, Disturbance, Relics, Creation and so on. The way I see it, neither group is more "powerful". The Symphonic Words are supported by the Celestials that are affected by the Words existance. Like it or not, Angels support Baal's Word when they fight against a Demon. When an Angel of Creation goes on a Relic creating junket and floods the market with lots and lots of Socks of Healing, The Angel of Relics gets a wee bit of a boost. The power of the Word is defined by how The Symphony sees it. How many Relics are used *every day* by Celestials on both sides? How many fights do angels and demons get into *every day*? How many messages does the Angel of Heavenly Communication deliver...and how important is the content of the messages? When the Angel of Wind blows up a building killing 30 humans and injuring 100, the Demon of Disturbance wrings his hands and grins evily. Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 07:43:46 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> Superiors during WW2 thoughts >Laurence: Catholicism not condemning nazism is a sticking point but his >servitors were carving demons and working to topple. The Rose group was >probably soldiers of his and/or Novalis to educate against the Nazi regime >to Catholics in Germany and the general public. Actually Pius XII did, on numerous occasions comdemn the Nazis. Even before he was Pius XII. He even activly worked to save many Italian Jews. The Chief Rabbi of Rome adopted his birth name when he converted to Chatholcism. That "Silent Church" is little more than anti-Catholic Propganda spread by the libreal media and Chick and co. Bradley Paranial, Elohite Friend of the Lords Troops defeneding his Master's Faith. (And his own) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:06:31 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Superiors during WW2 thoughts >From: "Bradley Paranial" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Superiors during WW2 thoughts >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 07:43:46 -0600 > > > >>Laurence: Catholicism not condemning nazism is a sticking point but his >>servitors were carving demons and working to topple. The Rose group was >>probably soldiers of his and/or Novalis to educate against the Nazi regime >>to Catholics in Germany and the general public. > > >Actually Pius XII did, on numerous occasions comdemn the Nazis. Even before >he was Pius XII. He even activly worked to save many Italian Jews. The >Chief >Rabbi of Rome adopted his birth name when he converted to Chatholcism. That >"Silent Church" is little more than anti-Catholic Propganda spread by the >libreal media and Chick and co. Because Chick is really part of the liberal media, isn't he? No. Truth is that the pope's conduct during WW2 was a bit inconsistent. People speak out against the 'silent church' because there is no doubt that he could have done more, could have spoken out much more forthrightly, and he didn't. (Do you have a reference where he spoke out against the Nazis?) There is some evidence that he acted privately at times to help the Jews (offering to help Italian Jews to pay the tribute they were asked for, intervening with Hungarian and Latin American governments), but most of the time he was busy acting neutral. Whether or not it is the church's business to act neutral and stay silent in the face of atrocities, it looks as though he acted largely from practical considerations rather from any moral rationale. He was in a position of immense power and influence, and he didn't use it. And this is off-topic for the list, I think. jo > >Bradley Paranial, Elohite Friend of the Lords Troops defeneding his >Master's >Faith. (And his own) > One can attack a pope's actions without attacking the entire catholic faith. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:38:41 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. Published canon has it that Heaven still has a lot of collective guilt over not intervening more in WWII. If you care about being canonical, that should color your campaign. Maybe your PCs are among the few angels who see the need for action and are thus working with very little back-up from Above. Also, you could have a fun time figuring out WHY Heaven was so inactive. You could plausibly throw canon to the winds, though. WWII felt pretty apocalyptic to the participants, and you could play it as the nearest The War has come to breaking out in the open. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:51:02 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> February 6, 2001 (ML) Rolland Therrien wrote: > You know, suddenly I'm reminded of an issue of Gen13 where Caitlin > was the only person in the world who was unaffected by a powerful > living Meme [...] This and the original idea bring to my mind a couple of other tales. One is Alfred Bester's "The Demolished Man," in which we find that you can shield your mind from casual telepathic probes by using a jingle, e.g.: "Tenser!" said the tensor. "Tenser!" said the tensor. "Tension, apprehension, and dissention have begun!" And Fritz Leiber wrote "Rump Titty Titty Tum TAH Tee," a short story about a jingle/logo combination that threaten civilization. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 09:54:06 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> Superiors during WW2 thoughts >> >And this is off-topic for the list, I think. Should've been private e-mail. My Bad Brad _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:10:21 -0000 From: "Dave Taylor" Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. >You could plausibly throw canon to the winds, though. WWII >felt pretty apocalyptic to the participants, and you could >play it as the nearest The War has come to breaking out in the >open. In The Final Trumpet (Rev5) it says that WW2 was the last attempt to trigger armaggeddon (before the rev cycle, natch), but the Nazis got to the holiest man in the world before Baal's guys did, and unknowingly averted the second trumpet. - - Archangel9 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:41:21 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Pedersen Subject: Re: IN> Angels in the Architecture - --- Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Kelly Pedersen wrote: > > And for angel characters, getting these angels who > > have been out of the loop for nearly a thousand > years > > acclimated to the modern world can provide many > > adventures all by itself. > > Nice idea. The only problem is that it would be > easy to get > these angels to come home. We can assume that every > Superior > knows the Celestial Song of Tongues, and they might > be willing > to shell out that amount of Essence for something > that > important. A Song of Calling could do almost as > good a job for > less Essence. Hmm. Good point. I suspected someone would come up with a Song that would poke holes in that. I need the Liber Canticorm! Anyway, how bout this as a quick fix: the angels were provided with artifacts to screen their prescence, to prevent premature detection by demons. A side effect was that it cut off any supernatural means of communication until they broke cover. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:58:35 -0800 From: "Morgan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> The Ministry of Love That's sweet. However, the title rather put me off. Were you quoting 1984 intentionally? (Ministry of Love being their Inquisition) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Hart" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: IN> The Ministry of Love > Before each unborn soul is released into the world through the gates of > fire, there is a period of acclimatisation and education in Heaven. Yves and > selected nursery angels lecture the souls on morality, culture, faith, and > how to mix the perfect martini cocktail. > > The kiss of the recording angel and the force of leaving heaven expels all > this knowledge and these memories from the newborn's mind. Perhaps they will > have fragmentary visions of their time in Heaven in dreams, or on hearing > great music, or when sampling particularly good cocktails. Or perhaps not. > Even reborn saints may never recollect what they once were until they > re-enter Heaven through the pearly gates and greet the Recording Angel by > name. > > But during this initial evaluation period, Yves identifies the destinies of > all the souls and records them in his Book of Life, which angels are > forbidden to read without authorisation. Each soul is pre-ordained to have > one perfect mate, one partner who will complete them in the same way that > Eve completed Adam, Juliet completed Romeo, and Nicole Kidman didn't > complete Tom Cruise. These names are also written in the book. > > There is a secret squad of Destiny Malakim whose sworn duty is to help bring > these people together. Such soul-mates needn't involve marriage, sex, or > babies. They needn't be opposite genders, or the same generation. They might > simply be truly close friends, business partners, a teacher and pupil, or > siblings. And they might be on opposite sides of the planet. > > Often Mercurians are drafted in to help the process along, for those cases > where a flaming sword and moral platitudes don't quite swing it. And, of > course, they mix the best cocktails. > > Kronos has a similar organisation. It's also known as The Ministry of Love, > because members help humans to find partners. The more unsuitable, the > better . . . > > Plot Seed: (do I need to fill this in? :) ) > > PCs are contacted by some of the Malakite hit-squad from the Ministry of > Lurve. There is a grouchy confirmed batchelor who teaches at a local college > -- it is his destiny to fall in love with a 40-year old mother of two who > works at a diner. Can the PCs help? Perhaps her naive yet cute children can > help bring the couple together? > > *GM advice: This is every naffola chick-flick comedy you have ever seen. > Put as many obstacles as possible in the way of the happy couple.* > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:05:23 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Angels in the Architecture - -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Pedersen To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: Re: IN> Angels in the Architecture > >--- Michael Walton wrote: >> >> --- Kelly Pedersen wrote: >> > And for angel characters, getting these angels who >> > have been out of the loop for nearly a thousand >> years >> > acclimated to the modern world can provide many >> > adventures all by itself. >> >> Nice idea. The only problem is that it would be >> easy to get >> these angels to come home. We can assume that every >> Superior >> knows the Celestial Song of Tongues, and they might >> be willing >> to shell out that amount of Essence for something >> that >> important. A Song of Calling could do almost as >> good a job for >> less Essence. > >Hmm. Good point. I suspected someone would come up >with a Song that would poke holes in that. I need the >Liber Canticorm! Anyway, how bout this as a quick fix: >the angels were provided with artifacts to screen >their prescence, to prevent premature detection by >demons. A side effect was that it cut off any >supernatural means of communication until they broke >cover. Sounds good to me. Say, did you see the Disney series "Gargoyles"? It has a similar premise: a Clan of Medieval Gargoyles (creatures who turn to stone statues by day) are stuck with a spell that makes them sleep as Stone for a thousand years, awakening in 1990 New York. They then have to learn to adapt to the new times, while preserving their natural culture of protecting their castles and cities. Maybe many of these Statue-Angels could have gargoyle-like forms as Vessels, their Celestial Forms mirroring them somehow... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:52:59 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Thoughts on Hardcore Belial was getting into a rut, so Lucifer promoted Furfur. They both provide Hell with the same service, so only one of them can survive. If it's Belial, good. If it's Furfur, so much the better.<<< Yes, and I can see Baal profiting either way. After all, Furfur would probably need Baal's patronage to survive against Belial in the long run, so Baal gets a definite hold over Hardcore. I could see Baal sending in all of his Lilim of The War to gain as many discreet hooks over the Servitors of Hardcore as possible, just in case. If Belial wins, the status quo is maintained, so Baal comes out ahead either way. This has given me an idea. :) See next post... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:17:00 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN>Factions Adventure Seed The conversation about Hardcore and Fire just gave me an idea. :) - ---------------------------- Tozin never knew what hit him. Yeah, that was his defense. He never realized that that friendly Lilim was trying to trick him. All he had to do was explain that to Furfur and hope that he would be believed. As he walked, Tozin reflected back on what had seemed to be a simple arrangement. Tozin had been on Earth, working with one of his boss's Habbalah and a Djinn of Secrets to incite a riot in New York City. Something about an unjust police shooting or other, it didn't really matter to the Calabite. So long as he got to raise some hell and do some damage, that's all he needed to know. He had been standing around near the back of the increasingly angry crowd (a fine testimony to the Habbalite's work), and then everything had gone to pieces. Several Malakim of Fire and the Sword had shown up and started approaching the trio. Tozin and the Habbalite had fought of course, since it was dissonant to back down. They got trounced and took off as the Malakim took down the Djinn. That was when he had met Stira. Such a nice woman. She'd given him a place to hide while the Malakim hunted around uselessly for him and soul-killed the Habbie. It was only afterwards that he found out that Stira was a Lilim and had got a Hook on him. He would have panicked, but her friend, Jen, had convinced him that all was okay and that Stira would never abuse this Geas. She was seeking Redemption and wouldn't abuse a Geas ever again. Tozin had no way of knowing that Jen was a Balseraph at the time. So he had gone on about his business, totally unsuspecting, while Jenave and Stira, Balseraph and Lilim of Factions, had laughed at his naivete and begun negoitations to get Tozin's Geasa transferred. It had come as a surprise therefore, when Tozin found his Geas being called in by a Calabite Knight of Fire. Having no choice, Tozin had done as he was bid and worked for Fire in an ambush on his fellow Servitors of Hardcore. As a result, three Djinn and a Balseraph of Furfur's lay dead by his resonance or aid, then he had been released. Tozin wasn't that bright, but he did eventually figure out how that Geas got called in. He swore that he would get vengeance, if he survived the wrath of his Prince.... - ----------------------------------------------- The idea of this seed is that Jenave and Stira (Balseraph and Lilim of Factions) are working to stir the pot between Fire and Hardcore. They get Geasa on Servitors of Fire or Hardcore and then transfer them to Servitors of the opposite Word. Naturally, its' too good an opportunity to pass up, and a Servitor of Hardcore turns one of Belial's demons on his own organization or vice-versa. When demons find out, they have a choice: work with Factions and try to claim the prizes of a Hardcore/Fire war or try to stop them. Thoughts? :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:16:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Lahnum Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. Yeah I'm definitely moving away from canon here, I wanted to use WWII as a catalyst for problems between Heaven and Hell, and for infighting in Heaven and Hell as well. That's why I'm focusing on the secret organizations of WWII. (i.e. the OSS, SAS, The Maquis) That way the players never really know what the hell is going on or who they'll even meet in the course of their missions. All they can do is hope that in the long run their word, and their side is served. Whatever side that may be. Although the canonical approach would be interesting, I think I might use some elements of it, but focus on Heaven being more discreet in its intercession into the war. - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Published canon has it that Heaven still has a lot > of collective > guilt over not intervening more in WWII. If you > care about > being canonical, that should color your campaign. > Maybe your > PCs are among the few angels who see the need for > action and > are thus working with very little back-up from > Above. > > Also, you could have a fun time figuring out WHY > Heaven was > so inactive. > > You could plausibly throw canon to the winds, > though. WWII > felt pretty apocalyptic to the participants, and you > could > play it as the nearest The War has come to breaking > out in the > open. > > Earl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:22:15 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Pedersen Subject: Re: IN> Angels in the Architecture - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly Pedersen [snip] > >Hmm. Good point. I suspected someone would come up > >with a Song that would poke holes in that. I need > the > >Liber Canticorm! Anyway, how bout this as a quick > fix: > >the angels were provided with artifacts to screen > >their prescence, to prevent premature detection by > >demons. A side effect was that it cut off any > >supernatural means of communication until they > broke > >cover. > > Sounds good to me. Say, did you see the Disney > series "Gargoyles"? Indeed I have. I quite liked it, actually. One of Disney's better works, and proof, IMO, that western animation is quite capable of producing mature shows. [snip] > Maybe many of these Statue-Angels could have > gargoyle-like forms as Vessels, > their Celestial Forms mirroring them somehow... Hmm. Well, Cherubim would work, if they had lizardish or apelike forms, with batlike wings. But can Cherubim's celestial forms have batlike wings, or are they limited to feathery bird-type wings? ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:48:04 -0600 From: Matthew Cutter Subject: IN> Free Lilim and Servants Anybody got any opinions? Given Lilith's Word, I find it hard to believe she would condone her Servitors having Servants in the traditional sense. I mean, all her Servitors are on a contract basis according to the main book and FoTM. Geased temporary Servants, I can wrap my mind around, but I'm not so certain about permanent servants. - -Matt C. Matthew C. Cutter Support Analyst Epicor Classic Support mcutter@epicor.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:41:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean At 6:21 PM -0800 2/8/01, Michael Walton wrote: >--- Ben Glickler wrote: > >> Mercurians >> >> Not even sure. Anyone? > > Hmm... bioelectric vision that makes them walking polygraphs? >Best I can do on short notice. Considering that I've never been able to grok the logic of the Mercurian of Lightning Choir Attunement, I think that the _true_ one is yet to occur. I.e., sometime in the future, the existing Mercurian attunement is going to _be_ the "archaic version." What's the future use? Dunno. Here's some stuff I thought about... Maybe they get to use their resonance on sapient programs. Maybe they get to "jack in" in Cyberpunk style, without any equipment. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:30:35 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Free Lilim and Servants From: "Matthew Cutter" <> Not a problem. Just make sure the humans who aren't your /servants/, really! always have at least one Geas to you. The Corporeal Player's Guide notes that humans who serve Lilim tend to wind up neck-deep in Geases anyway. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:05:47 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions for WWII game. Just so everyone remembers... O:> In canon, WWII was primarily human, on all sides. Sure, celestials jumped in once it started rolling, on all sides, and pushed their agendas -- but most of what happened was human, pure and simple. (Demons stood back in awe of human evil. Angels jumped up and down and cheered human heroism. Humans were...human.) Especially, anything that formed a Tether was almost certain to be exclusively human -- since Tethers can't form from celestial manipulations. (I'm pretty sure that Belial got a Tether out of the situation; I can't reach my Liber Castellorum for details, though.) (And as the obligatory admin comment: make sure it stays civil here, all. Nazis have already been invoked, so by Godwin's Law, if it becomes a flame, it ENDS. O;> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:10:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Healing question At 12:01 AM -0500 2/9/01, William J. Keith wrote: >> On a similar note (don't have any books with me, darn it!), >>does inflicting Mind Hits (as with the Ethereal Song of Entropy) >>or Soul Hits (as with the Calabite of Lust Attunement) on a >>corporeal entity disturb the Symphony? I assume that the death >>of the target causes a normal Disturbance, but what about the damage? >>===== Michael Walton > >Inflicting Mind Hits on corporeal beings causes a form of Disturbance >detectable to the specialized Perception of the Grigori; the Watchers were >made exactly for the purpose of detecting all manner of Disturbance and >following up on it. Other angels cannot hear Mind Hit Disturbance; not >even the Grigori can hear Disturbance from Soul Hits, if such a thing even >exists. Hmmmm.... They might hear it indirectly, though, depending on GM interpretation of the Calabite of Lust attunement. If getting nailed with Soul damage causes some kind of psychological pain and upset, then it would probably at least register as strongly as "celestial caused a mental effect via mundane means." If it doesn't cause pain to lose Soul hits, for a human in a body, then it would be silent. (Personally, I have Soul hits cause pain. It gives wimpy-vesseled 7-Force Calabim something to do with their resonance and humans. But it's not defined anywhere in canon that I know of, and I see little reason to nail down that nit.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:11:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Discord: Floating At 12:17 AM -0500 2/9/01, William J. Keith wrote: >>Corporeal Discord: Floating >> >>-- Chris > >*Chuckle* I like. They might try to hide it, too. ("What? Floating? >Oh, uh, no, I'm... standing on my toes." *toestretch* "See?") Now we know what the _robes_ are for... O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:22:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Factions Adventure Seed At 9:17 AM -0800 2/9/01, Charles E Smith wrote: [...] >The idea of this seed is that Jenave and Stira (Balseraph and Lilim of >Factions) are working to stir the pot between Fire and Hardcore. They get >Geasa on Servitors of Fire or Hardcore and then transfer them to >Servitors of the opposite Word. Just remember that canonically, Lilim can't _transfer_ a Geas, per se. They can self-Geas to invoke a certain hook or Geas as someone else directs, but the Lilim that took the Geas/hook is still the one who has to invoke it. (Only Lilith can hand over a Geas to someone else; whether she could broker a deal, taking a Geas from a Lilim and giving it over to someone else, is entirely up to the GM.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:38:37 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Re: Hardcore or "What's Lucifer's deal with stupid Princes?" Lucifer is basically a character who I think enjoys keeping his fellow superiors on his toes down South. 1> Saminga 2> The Demogorgon 3> Legion 4> Haagenti 5> Nybbas and now Fufur. Basically I think Hardcore was created because Fufur represents what Lucifer has always strived to maintain inside the Hellish heirarchy; a sense of corruption, rampant bloodthirst, and unmitigated evil. Aside from Nybbas (who was promoted because of considerable foresight on Lucifer's part...and no doubt to make the other demon prince's shocked) the above Princes are all 1> Stupid 2> Insane 3> Extremely violent Crowning them Princes basically reminds the other Princes not to get too comfortable in their evil or way of life because the essence of Lucifer's Hell is selfishness and cooperation, stasis, and order (Asmodeus, Baal, Kronos, and Mammon all represent this type of "problem") eventually might lead to causes and ultimately redemption or at least a decrease in evil nutcases flocking to Hell because they can't stand Heaven's rules. Add David Edelstein's Genubath, Kobal (who doesn't fit the Stupid profile but does fit the shake up profile), and Magog and you see that Lucifer does this almost routinely and any Demon who has the "kahones" so to speak to try something like Fufur does without a shred of concience or loyalty and you probably have the best track to Superiordom...and eventual destruction. Unlike others I'm not so sure that Fufur will be crushed by Belial because the Rock and Roll demon has a word increasingly more relevant to the underbelly of the Modern World. A Clockwork Orange though created well before Fufur's princibles is exactly the type of mindless brutal violence that fufur represents. Arson...not so much. Should Fufur eventually gain alliance and association with Haagenti, Nybbas, and other up and commers he may just gain enough word forces to ascend to become the demon of destruction (and thus easily outstrip Belial in power) to destroy him or irritate him enough that Gabriel can finish him off. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:42:40 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Can Grigori Fall? >The Skulkers, as written, are just "evil Grigori." > >-David Aw, c'mon. They get a whole 2 short paragraphs. In that amount of space it's hard to do deep characterization past "Yeah, they're demons, here's the game mechanics" in that time. ;^) I counsel patience.... William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:25:29 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Medieval Jean >What's the future use? Dunno. Here's some stuff I thought about... >Maybe they get to use their resonance on sapient programs. Maybe they >get to "jack in" in Cyberpunk style, without any equipment. O:> > > >--emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor >RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ Once sapient programs actually exist, I think any Mercurian should be able to use their Choir Resonance on one, since they can already use it on, e.g., ethereals. Maybe they could do a limited form of what you're suggesting now, if Jean or they put a mind to it(beta Mercurian Attunement, anyone?). Jeanites might in particular be able to apply their natural resonance to a computer (the hardware, rather than the software) to get "relationship" information. Here's a quick adaptation of the basic resonance table for your perusal: CD 1 A very general sense of what the computer is primarily used for -- games, work, research, guiding ballistic missiles, etc. 2 The above, plus how well the common users think this computer does those jobs(cutting-edge, old, broken, souped-up, etc.). 3 Those things, the computer's current IDs, where it was made and by what entity, and a few specifics on the information actually stored in the computer. 4 The above, plus how many users typically access the computer and the kind of network connections it has. 5 The preceding, plus the security and priority restrictions on those users and their access privileges. 6 The entire use history of the computer: all this information and how each has varied over the lifetime of the computer from its creation to the present. In addition, as per the Mercurian "group" resonance, they can apply their resonance to a network to sense the degree of interconnection (routes, bandwidth, access privileges) between them. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:46:22 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: IN> The Bun-Bun Festival >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 23:27:25 -0500 >From: Marc Bowden >- --On Thursday, February 8, 2001 23:12 +0000 Adam Benedict Canning > wrote: >> >> Haggendi and Saminga rather like the Bun Festival >> for example. >> > I don't know. I have a hard time picturing them really getting into >the celebration of angry mini-lops. >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation >("*CA-CLICK* Say hello to Trauma for me, nerd-boy.") > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:44:47 -0600 > From: "Prodigal" > > From: "Adam Benedict Canning" > > > > Haggendi and Saminga rather like the Bun Festival > > for example. > > And the Bun-Bun festival is a huge hit with Furfur... > Jordi and Laurence are behind Bun-Bun, that should be obvious. And he does deserve it given what he did to the Mecha-Easter Bunny, Santa and his elves and all. Riff obviously without knowing it works for Vapula being a demon summoning mad scientist. His mothers equally obviously Factions in service to Media. Torg, now Torg raises problems as does for example Berk. Kiki is worryingly one of Iolanthi's despite pre dating her. And Gwen of course has her very own inner shedite with no vowels. On second thoughts Kobal might also be in on the Bun Festival, seeing as it frequently involves people falling to thier deaths or being crushed will trying to get hold of a lucky bread product. The buns are piled up in a tower surrounded by wire mesh you see and the ones at the top are luckier than the others. God knows how they celebrated this one before the invention of wire mesh. Adam ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2053 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.