From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Feb 17 12:18:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05766 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:18:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id MAA00938 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:21:46 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:21:46 -0600 Message-Id: <200102171821.MAA00938@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2064 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, February 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2064 In this digest: Re: IN> February 13, 2001 (ML) IN> Sapient Dolphins Re: IN> February 15, 2001 (ML) IN> Animal Intelligence Re: IN> February 12, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Animal Intelligence IN> Spiritually aware Animals IN> Malphas Re: IN> Animal Intelligence Re: IN> Dolphins, Whales, etc. (Re: February 12, 2001 (ML)) Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals Re: IN> Animal Intelligence Re: IN> Malphas Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals IN> Abracax, Demon Prince of Assholes (name tenative) Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals Re: IN> Abracax, Demon Prince of Assholes (name tenative) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:39:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> February 13, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Howard Drummond Ah... I sense much potential here. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:47:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Sapient Dolphins - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > And everyone knows* that fins have a truly annoying sense > of humor. Yay! Another Brin fan! For those who've wondered about IN in a science fiction setting, the Uplift Universe would be a good one to try. Though one wonders what Mercurians would think of Tandu or Brothers of the Night... and the mind boggles at who the Projenitors might be in such a setting. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:00:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> February 15, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Rachel > Outcast Grigori, formerly of Creation This gave me the willies. But this... > The Grigori have always > understood the virt... the _benefits_ of togetherness ... was friggin' brilliant! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:00:57 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Animal Intelligence > And Jordi is probably quite fond of non-human > intelligences - the smarter an animal is, the better it can know God and > the Symphony, and show that those talking monkeys aren't the only game in > town, and so forth. Actually, I think I'm going to have to totally disagree here. Remember that Jordi is the guy who Michael had to stop from offing the entire human race waaaaaaaaay back in 25,000 BCE. I doubt the big "J" feels the need to show that animals are "just as good as humans" because, in his mind, animals are obviously so much _better_ than humans. In fact, there could even be the possibility that Jordi has a slight distaste for "borderlines" with near-human intelligence, because what I imagine Jordi loves so much about the animal mind is its simplicity. Animals, in their own way, think much the same way as angels, being extremely focused and not overly complex. Of course, then again, that could be the Tattered Jordi trying to sneak his way into my Canonical image of the Archangel, but Jordi's supposed to be slightly heretical in his beliefs anyway. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:09:49 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> February 12, 2001 (ML) At 2:36 PM -0800 2/16/01, Michael Walton wrote: > > Still, it could be worse. Just imagine the hassles if >> the Statue of Liberty was made out of rock. > > Ummm... Libby's made out of bronze, Moe. Still falls within >David's bailiwick. Copper, not bronze. And refined. If someone strikes one of David's Vassals of Stone with the Statue of Liberty I would rule it does damage, and either way I wouldn't let David call it his. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:12:08 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Animal Intelligence At 6:00 PM -0500 2/16/01, Jonathan Walton wrote: >I doubt the big "J" feels the need to show that animals are "just as >good as humans" because, in his mind, animals are obviously so much >_better_ than humans. I rather think Jordi feels that humans are "no better than other animals," not that animals are better than humans. It's just that with God's commandments to not place the humans in check or otherwise cull their numbers and prevent their unbalancing of the natural order, the humans have been given both undue advantage over other animals and have caused great damage to the ecosystem as a whole.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:30:46 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Spiritually aware Animals Well here's my take on animals. Dolphin: *mother is caught in tuna net* What must I do now to eat? Why did this happen...Why? The questioning causes his spirit to develop and he becomes a being that will survive beyond death. Cats: I love my master The affection beyond self satisfaction of needs even to one's own young is enough to gaurentee spiritual ascension. Wolf: What an adorable little creature...I will raise it as my own Such things basically show animals to have moved beyond the simple "Survival" mode to a new awareness. No other being has found religeon which Jordi basically says puts animals beyond his jurisdiction. Not so much because they are physically not his but because they have such complexities he's more concerned with other matters that need dealing with...and frankly does NOT understand enough about them to adequately judge the matters...or doesn't care. These animals I think can be possesed and develop fates and destinies...unless Yves and Kronos writes them in from the beggining. Yves: How hum I think I'll give Checkers a destiny Kronos: DANGIT! I do NOT waste my time giving animals fates! Yves: It's Nixon's dog. Kronos: Hmmm *scribbles* You must save an evil president's term MUHAHAHHAHAHAHA and thus all dogs did not go to heaven - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:48:09 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Malphas Do you think Malphas was the Kyriorite of Domination and the first of his Choir? Perhaps the Archangel of Perspective? It seems like he is an excellent canidate for it. - -charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:28:18 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Animal Intelligence >>And Jordi is probably quite fond of non-human intelligences - the >>smarter an animal is, the better it can know God and the Symphony, >>and show that those talking monkeys aren't the only game in town, >>and so forth. > >Actually, I think I'm going to have to totally disagree here. >Remember that Jordi is the guy who Michael had to stop from offing >the entire human race waaaaaaaaay back in 25,000 BCE. I doubt the >big "J" feels the need to show that animals are "just as good as >humans" because, in his mind, animals are obviously so much _better_ >than humans. Actually, I get the impression that in Jordi's mind, humans are animals, plain and simple. They just happen to be rather clever and vicious ones, which he doesn't mind. It's the thinking they're better than the other animals that he minds. >In fact, there could even be the possibility that Jordi has a slight >distaste for "borderlines" with near-human intelligence, because >what I imagine Jordi loves so much about the animal mind is its >simplicity. Animals, in their own way, think much the same way as >angels, being extremely focused and not overly complex. Animals are much, much smarter than almost everyone gives them credit for. It's part of the fact that most of us were raised in a culture that is heavily influenced by the Judeo-Christian belief that humans are somehow special. We're not; we're still on the same scale, it's just we go up to an eleven. Anyone who spends any period of time with animals and observes them with an open mind will realize, in the case of mammals at least, that they have very individual personalities and behaviors, and react in ways most easily explained by some level of sentience (which is a continuum, not a binary property). Even birds display a great deal of cleverness. I've just been looking over research on a parrot named Blue Jay, who had a vocabulary of about 120 words, and was able to form them into sentences of his own accord. He even displayed synthesis behavior, such as spontaneously describing a plantain chip as a "banana cracker" and a flavor containing both banana and cherry as "banerry". After his death, his mate Dolly was depressed and lethargic for several years. Examples exist even of symbolism in the animal kingdom, as elephants have been to known to carry around the tusks of their dead friends for years. Of course, just because I think animals are sentient in no way means I plan to stop eating them. Animals eating one another is a part of the natural order of the world, and they taste good. Of course, I do favor allowing the animal to lead a fairly normal free-range life as opposed to being stuffed into a box, and giving the animal a quick, clean death. I think Jordi would approve... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 03:48:56 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Dolphins, Whales, etc. (Re: February 12, 2001 (ML)) On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:11:17 -0500 Elizabeth McCoy writes: > To an extent -- about the level of an older toddler, from what I've > seen. > I would suspect that this is still below the "knowledge of good and > evil" threshold, though. Either that, or they just never learned the trick. Although I've conjectured Jordi having an interest in "uplift" projects, since almost every other Word deals with abstracts or things in human society; while Hell would work quickly to subvert uplifts, Jordi already has a huge advantage in that area since he is over all mortal life that isn't a human. Even if he wouldn't like them to happen, he can probably see the (possibly, in some campaigns) inevitable. I've got notes for servitors of Animals IST other Archangels where plausible, such as Dreams, that Jordi employs as a precautionary measure. Maybe I ought to finally write 'em up... - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 04:00:35 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:30:46 -0500 "Charles Phipps" writes: > > Cats: I love my master Hurm... cats certainly feel affection, but they're basically furry little sociopaths, not being a pack animal like humans or dogs. One wonders what, if any, effect this would have on things. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 03:54:26 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Animal Intelligence On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:12:08 -0500 Whistling in the Dark writes: > > I rather think Jordi feels that humans are "no better than other > animals," not that animals are better than humans. It's just that > with God's commandments to not place the humans in check or > otherwise > cull their numbers and prevent their unbalancing of the natural > order, the humans have been given both undue advantage over other > animals and have caused great damage to the ecosystem as a whole.... Exactly. Intelligence is supposed to have been one of the advantages of the human race; since the humans aren't going anywhere, Jordi would opt to level the playing field. At least, it's a viable idea - the exact opposite can also be seen as possible. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:30:36 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Malphas I think he had a more geological job, and maybe Word. In the GMG it says his job was to break up the earth's plates or something like that. Anyway its possible he was the Angel of Separation or Drift. Most likely he was just a powerful Wordless angel, maybe even a Wordless Archangel like Michael (though obviously not as powerful). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:46:02 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 3:00 AM Subject: Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals > On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:30:46 -0500 "Charles Phipps" > writes: > > > > Cats: I love my master > > Hurm... cats certainly feel affection, but they're basically furry > little sociopaths, not being a pack animal like humans or dogs. One > wonders what, if any, effect this would have on things. There are the cases of the cats that work to save their roommate's (cats don't have "masters") lives, even at risk of their own... (The cat who stayed in her owner's room when the house was on fire, meowing and trying to wake her up even as the smoke and heat built up, even though there was an open window the cat could have used to leave at any time... that comes to mind.) On a more mundane level, my cat tries to come and cheer me up whenever he notices me getting too depressed. I can understand selfishness as a motive for begging for treats, but for coming up and sitting on my lap and purring when I'm radiating "Don't bug me, I'm in a really bad mood?" vibes at 200 feet? Cats *are* selfish little bastards, but they're not totally heartless. So in IN terms, I can understand cats going to heaven too. (Which really annoys the dogs. *g*) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:44:22 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals - -----Original Message----- From: damienw@juno.com To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:06 AM Subject: Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals > > >On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:30:46 -0500 "Charles Phipps" >writes: >> >> Cats: I love my master > > Hurm... cats certainly feel affection, but they're basically furry >little sociopaths, not being a pack animal like humans or dogs. One >wonders what, if any, effect this would have on things. Actually, cats in a group do take on pack animal social behavior, resembling those of big cats like Lions, forming a small group with a clear-cut pecking order. But most Housecats definetly form lasting bonds with their masters, some doing so much as going miles cross-country on their own to find them. And then there's the story of a mother cat who risked dying of burns in tryng to save her kittens from a fire. Methinks Cats CAN go to Heaven. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:35:06 -0800 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: IN> Abracax, Demon Prince of Assholes (name tenative) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C098C4.E9C52FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With special thanks to Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's Good Omens for = giving me the idea. Now you know who to shoot. I'm still fleshing out = certain parts, in particular Band attunements. Suggestions? Abracax, Shedite Prince of Assholes Everybody knows the world is full of stupid people... Not every evil has to be big. Abracax was a former servant of Malphas = who came to a simple conclusion: the big evils (Death, the War, Lust) = may provide serious energies when they pay off, but there's just so much = untapped energy on earth. Namely, assholes. They represent an = inordinately high percentage of the population, and their constant = outpouring of low-grade evil leads to lots of essense for Him. = Likewise, they're infectious. One person does something inconsiderate = just to piss someone else off, and now that other person is in a bad = mood and more likely to do it to someone else. Apparently Lucifer liked = the idea, having given him the Word on what appeared to be a whim. His = princedom followed shortly after. Abracax's servitors (who aren't terribly plentiful yet) roam the Earth, = looking to make everyone's lives just that little bit worse or, better = yet, convincing them to do it to each other. Bureaucracies, retail = stores, and traffic jams are a beautiful thing to him. When someone, = waiting in a long line on a hot day when the air conditioning is shot, = begin to take it out on everyone else around him, he smiles. He prefers = for his Servitors to be subtle, but if the results are good, he'll = understand. Dissonance: It is Dissonant for a servitor of Abracax to cease any = activity based on social niceties or someone else asking them to stop. = Likewise, if they see an opportunity to make a strained situation worse = (like the afforementioned possibility of blowing out the air = conditioning in a DMV office during the summer), not doing so would be = dissonant. Band Attunements: Balseraphs: no ideas yet Djinn: Djinn serving Abracax gain the ability to spread their own state = of disgruntled apathy onto those they are attuned with a succesful Will = roll. The subject can attempt to resist with a Will roll of their own. = If they fail, the condition lasts for (CD of the origonal roll) hours. Calabim: Not sure what to give them either. I want to avoid simply = giving them a bonus to their resonance roll for some specific purpose, = as that just doesn't seem to click. Habbalah: Abracax's Habbalah specialise in setting people up to make = assholes of themselves by complaining: they can use their resonance to = cause someone else to become overly irritable. The CD should be a = guide, from a 1 being slightly grouchy to 6 being the proverbial 'pins = and needles' condition. Lilim: Again not too sure here. Maybe an immunity to the dissonance = conditions and being able to collect a minor (level 1) geas from the = person who -asks- them to stop? (It could be thought of as a Need...) Shedim: Another one where I can't think of something that really works. = I think it should definately be something comparatively subtle, though. = His Shedim are generally much more low-key. Impudites: They make anti-social behavior look cool. When they do = something that sucessfully irritates someone in charge of the current = situation (bank teller, teacher, drill sergent), they gain a temporary = Charisma bonus equal to half the CD of a successful Will roll (round = up), lasting for a number of days equal to the CD, with regards to = anyone who saw it. Servitor attunements (Need to think of at least one more) Watch Me: By spending 2 essense and making a successful Will roll, a = demon with this attunement can cause someone else to lose any regard for = one particular social taboo of their choice (smoking in non-smoking = areas, swearing in front of children, whatever). It lasts for as many = hours as the CD of the roll, and the subject can resist with a Will = roll. Angels resist with a bonus equal to their Celestial forces, = demons, being inherently selfish, don't get such a bonus. Rites - -Make a stressful situation worse, directly or indirectly. - -Annoy or anger someone to the point of making an improper emotional = outburst. (+2 essense if it was a Angel, +3 if it was an Elohite and see = below) (any other ideas?) Distinctions: Knight of Insensitivity: Abracax's knights can look at someone and see = their pet peeve, whatever it is that annoys them most in general. = Abracax will always give this at the very least if one of his servitors = causes an Elohite to gain dissonance through irrational outbursts = without using any supernatural abilities. Captain of Creeps: As above, but when doing so they also see what social = taboos the person doesn't care for. In other words, they'll know what a = person is most likely to be an asshole about himself. Baron of Bastards: I had something lined up for this, but I completely = forgot it before I wrote it down. Ideas? Invocation base: 3 Modifiers: +1 A complicated form +2 A fast food restaurant during lunch hour +3 An argument or fight between two people that could have been solved = reasonably +4 A traffic jam +5 At a long line, 10 minutes before closing +6 A riot that began as a legitimate protest Relations: I'm not certain how to handle this, to be honest. His = behavior would definately alienate himself from a lot of the royalty, = but his word works so well in tandem with others. - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C098C4.E9C52FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
With special thanks to Terry Pratchett and Neil = Gaiman's Good=20 Omens for giving me the idea.  Now you know who to shoot.  I'm = still=20 fleshing out certain parts, in particular Band attunements. =20 Suggestions?
 
Abracax, Shedite Prince of Assholes
 
Everybody knows the world is full of stupid=20 people...
 
Not every evil has to be big.  Abracax was a = former=20 servant of Malphas who came to a simple conclusion: the big evils = (Death, the=20 War, Lust) may provide serious energies when they pay off, but there's = just so=20 much untapped energy on earth.  Namely, assholes.  They = represent an=20 inordinately high percentage of the population, and their constant = outpouring of=20 low-grade evil leads to lots of essense for Him.  Likewise, they're = infectious.  One person does something inconsiderate just to piss = someone=20 else off, and now that other person is in a bad mood and more likely to = do it to=20 someone else.  Apparently Lucifer liked the idea, having given him = the Word=20 on what appeared to be a whim.  His princedom followed shortly=20 after.
 
Abracax's servitors (who aren't terribly plentiful = yet) roam=20 the Earth, looking to make everyone's lives just that little bit worse = or,=20 better yet, convincing them to do it to each other.  Bureaucracies, = retail=20 stores, and traffic jams are a beautiful thing to him.  When = someone,=20 waiting in a long line on a hot day when the air conditioning is shot, = begin to=20 take it out on everyone else around him, he smiles.  He prefers for = his=20 Servitors to be subtle, but if the results are good, he'll=20 understand.
 
Dissonance: It is Dissonant for a servitor of = Abracax to cease=20 any activity based on social niceties or someone else asking them to = stop. =20 Likewise, if they see an opportunity to make a strained situation worse = (like=20 the afforementioned possibility of blowing out the air conditioning in a = DMV=20 office during the summer), not doing so would be dissonant.
 
Band Attunements:
 
Balseraphs: no ideas yet
 
Djinn: Djinn serving Abracax gain the ability to = spread their=20 own state of disgruntled apathy onto those they are attuned with a = succesful=20 Will roll.  The subject can attempt to resist with a Will roll of = their=20 own.  If they fail, the condition lasts for (CD of the origonal = roll)=20 hours.
 
Calabim: Not sure what to give them either.  I = want to=20 avoid simply giving them a bonus to their resonance roll for some = specific=20 purpose, as that just doesn't seem to click.
 
Habbalah: Abracax's Habbalah specialise in setting = people up=20 to make assholes of themselves by complaining: they can use their = resonance=20 to cause someone else to become overly irritable.  The CD should be = a=20 guide, from a 1 being slightly grouchy to 6 being the proverbial 'pins = and=20 needles' condition.
 
Lilim: Again not too sure here.  Maybe an = immunity to the=20 dissonance conditions and being able to collect a minor (level 1) geas = from the=20 person who -asks- them to stop?  (It could be thought of as a=20 Need...)
 
Shedim: Another one where I can't think of something = that=20 really works.  I think it should definately be something = comparatively=20 subtle, though.  His Shedim are generally much more = low-key.
 
Impudites: They make anti-social behavior look=20 cool.  When they do something that sucessfully irritates = someone=20 in charge of the current situation (bank teller, teacher, drill = sergent), they=20 gain a temporary Charisma bonus equal to half the CD of a successful = Will roll=20 (round up), lasting for a number of days equal to the CD, with regards = to anyone=20 who saw it.
 
 
Servitor attunements (Need to think of at least one=20 more)
 
Watch Me: By spending 2 essense and making a = successful Will=20 roll, a demon with this attunement can cause someone else to lose any = regard for=20 one particular social taboo of their choice (smoking in non-smoking = areas,=20 swearing in front of children, whatever).  It lasts for as many = hours as=20 the CD of the roll, and the subject can resist with a Will roll.  = Angels=20 resist with a bonus equal to their Celestial forces, demons, being = inherently=20 selfish, don't get such a bonus.
 
Rites
-Make a stressful situation worse, directly or=20 indirectly.
-Annoy or anger someone to the point of making an = improper=20 emotional outburst. (+2 essense if it was a Angel, +3 if it was an = Elohite and=20 see below)
(any other ideas?)
 
Distinctions:
 
Knight of Insensitivity: Abracax's knights can look = at someone=20 and see their pet peeve, whatever it is that annoys them most in = general. =20 Abracax will always give this at the very least if one of his servitors = causes=20 an Elohite to gain dissonance through irrational outbursts without using = any=20 supernatural abilities.
 
Captain of Creeps: As above, but when doing so they = also see=20 what social taboos the person doesn't care for.  In other words, = they'll=20 know what a person is most likely to be an asshole about=20 himself.
 
Baron of Bastards: I had something lined up for = this, but I=20 completely forgot it before I wrote it down.  Ideas?
 
 
Invocation base: 3
 
Modifiers:
+1 A complicated form
+2 A fast food restaurant during lunch = hour
+3 An argument or fight between two people that = could have=20 been solved reasonably
+4 A traffic jam
+5 At a long line, 10 minutes before = closing
+6 A riot that began as a legitimate = protest
 
Relations:  I'm not certain how to handle this, = to be=20 honest.  His behavior would definately alienate himself from a lot = of the=20 royalty, but his word works so well in tandem with others.
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C098C4.E9C52FC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Spiritually aware Animals - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Well here's my take on animals. An I must dispute it with mine. > Dolphin: *mother is caught in tuna net* What must I do now to > eat? Why did this happen...Why? There's evidence suggesting that dolphins feel genuine affection for each other -- and not just for blood relatives. The question above seems like mere concern for self-preservation. I don't know if that's what you meant, but that's how it sounds to me. > Cats: I love my master I'm sure that cat lovers would like to think so. But, with the exception of lions, cats in the wild are not social animals. Domestic cats are basically in a state of arrested development wherein they continually experience kittenish dependence on the one who feeds them. Under those conditions, it's in one's best interests to be affectionate. > Wolf: What an adorable little creature...I will raise it as my > own This one is purely apocryphal. A wolf that found a helpless baby would be more likely to think "easy meal." While there are confirmed cases of feral children, human infants being raised by wolves falls within the realm of folklore, not science. > Yves: How hum I think I'll give Checkers a destiny > > Kronos: DANGIT! I do NOT waste my time giving animals fates! I'm not sure I agree with the latter statement. I was under the impression that every living thing has a Fate and a Destiny. It's just a matter of priorities; Yves sees every Destiny as important, whereas Kronos only concerns himself with especially powerful Fates. Also, Yves and Kronos don't _assign_ Destinies and Fates. They are simply aware of them. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:09:09 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Abracax, Demon Prince of Assholes (name tenative) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0263_01C098E2.D080B2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Des Jardins To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: IN> Abracax, Demon Prince of Assholes (name tenative) I love this Prince concept. Definetly sounds good. Allow me to = help... Band Attunements: Balseraphs: no ideas yet My suggestion: Serpents in service to Abracax get a Force bonus to = their Check Digit whenever they use their resonnance to manipulate = someone into acting like an asshole.=20 Djinn: Djinn serving Abracax gain the ability to spread their own = state of disgruntled apathy onto those they are attuned with a succesful = Will roll. The subject can attempt to resist with a Will roll of their = own. If they fail, the condition lasts for (CD of the origonal roll) = hours. Calabim: Not sure what to give them either. I want to avoid simply = giving them a bonus to their resonance roll for some specific purpose, = as that just doesn't seem to click. How about letting them use their resonnance on a subject's mind, = corrupting them by eroding away their good nature and friendly demeanor. = =20 Habbalah: Abracax's Habbalah specialise in setting people up to make = assholes of themselves by complaining: they can use their resonance to = cause someone else to become overly irritable. The CD should be a = guide, from a 1 being slightly grouchy to 6 being the proverbial 'pins = and needles' condition. Lilim: Again not too sure here. Maybe an immunity to the dissonance = conditions and being able to collect a minor (level 1) geas from the = person who -asks- them to stop? (It could be thought of as a Need...) Shedim: Another one where I can't think of something that really = works. I think it should definately be something comparatively subtle, = though. His Shedim are generally much more low-key. These ones sound easy, actually. Just give them a Force bonus when = they use their resonnance for corrupting their hosts in minor ways, = turning them into assholes. Impudites: They make anti-social behavior look cool. When they do = something that sucessfully irritates someone in charge of the current = situation (bank teller, teacher, drill sergent), they gain a temporary = Charisma bonus equal to half the CD of a successful Will roll (round = up), lasting for a number of days equal to the CD, with regards to = anyone who saw it. Relations: I'm not certain how to handle this, to be honest. His = behavior would definately alienate himself from a lot of the royalty, = but his word works so well in tandem with others. I can see him being considered pretty much of an asshole himself = amongst the Princes of Hell (He'd probably be flaunting the fact he made = a princedom out of a minor word, which would annoy many of them), but he = would find some Princes willing to work with him, if only because they = like his work. Malphas: This guy's probably unhappy to see a former tool of his run = on it's own, but he might like having a new faction in Hell. That, and = Abracax' word feeds his own; putting an asshole anywhere is a good way = to make people argue. Asmodeus and Kronos: These guys hired Servitors of Assholes to handle = their complaints/informations/requests booths, of course. Kobal: Who do you think gave Lucifer the idea of making that Shedite a = Prince, anyway? Nybbas: In his words: "Hey, Badboys are in, Babe! Just look at Howard = Stern! He's an Asshole, and America can't get enough of him!" Furfur: The only guy who really likes Abracax personally, he enjoys = the links between Hardcore and Assholes. After all, the more Hardcore = you become, the more of an Asshole you are, and the more of an Asshole = you are, the more of a Hardcore Jerk you are! The other princes, I don't really know, though. Hope this helped! -Exit the LoneWolf - ------=_NextPart_000_0263_01C098E2.D080B2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Phillip Des Jardins <phillip@mbaysav.org>
To:= in_nomine-l@lists.io.com = <in_nomine-l@lists.io.com>=
Date:=20 Saturday, February 17, 2001 12:36 PM
Subject: IN> = Abracax,=20 Demon Prince of Assholes (name tenative)

I love this Prince concept.  Definetly sounds = good.  Allow me to help...
 
Band Attunements:
 
Balseraphs: no ideas yet
 
My suggestion: Serpents in service to Abracax get = a Force=20 bonus to their Check Digit whenever they use their resonnance to = manipulate=20 someone into acting like an asshole.
 
Djinn: Djinn serving Abracax gain the ability to = spread=20 their own state of disgruntled apathy onto those they are attuned with = a=20 succesful Will roll.  The subject can attempt to resist with a = Will roll=20 of their own.  If they fail, the condition lasts for (CD of the = origonal=20 roll) hours.
 
Calabim: Not sure what to give them either.  = I want to=20 avoid simply giving them a bonus to their resonance roll for some = specific=20 purpose, as that just doesn't seem to click.
 
How about letting them use their resonnance on a = subject's=20 mind, corrupting them by eroding away their good nature and friendly=20 demeanor. 
 
Habbalah: Abracax's Habbalah specialise in setting = people up=20 to make assholes of themselves by complaining: they can use their = resonance to cause someone else to become overly irritable.  The = CD=20 should be a guide, from a 1 being slightly grouchy to 6 being the = proverbial=20 'pins and needles' condition.
 
Lilim: Again not too sure here.  Maybe an = immunity to=20 the dissonance conditions and being able to collect a minor (level 1) = geas=20 from the person who -asks- them to stop?  (It could be thought of = as a=20 Need...)
 
Shedim: Another one where I can't think of = something that=20 really works.  I think it should definately be something = comparatively=20 subtle, though.  His Shedim are generally much more = low-key.
 
These ones sound easy, actually.  Just give = them a=20 Force bonus when they use their resonnance for corrupting their hosts = in minor=20 ways, turning them into assholes.
 
Impudites: They make anti-social behavior = look=20 cool.  When they do something that sucessfully irritates = someone=20 in charge of the current situation (bank teller, teacher, drill = sergent), they=20 gain a temporary Charisma bonus equal to half the CD of a successful = Will roll=20 (round up), lasting for a number of days equal to the CD, with regards = to=20 anyone who saw it.
 
 
 
Relations:  I'm not certain how to handle = this, to be=20 honest.  His behavior would definately alienate himself from a = lot of the=20 royalty, but his word works so well in tandem with = others.
 
I can see him being considered pretty much of an = asshole=20 himself amongst the Princes of Hell (He'd probably be flaunting the = fact he=20 made a princedom out of a minor word, which would annoy many of them), = but he=20 would find some Princes willing to work with him, if only because they = like=20 his work.
 
Malphas: This guy's probably unhappy to see a = former tool of=20 his run on it's own, but he might like having a new faction in = Hell. =20 That, and Abracax' word feeds his own; putting an asshole anywhere is = a good=20 way to make people argue.
 
Asmodeus and Kronos: These guys hired Servitors of = Assholes=20 to handle their complaints/informations/requests booths, of=20 course.
 
Kobal: Who do you think gave Lucifer the idea of = making that=20 Shedite a Prince, anyway?
 
Nybbas: In his words: "Hey, Badboys are in, = Babe!  Just=20 look at Howard Stern!  He's an Asshole, and America can't get = enough of=20 him!"
 
Furfur: The only guy who really likes Abracax = personally, he=20 enjoys the links between Hardcore and Assholes.  After all, the = more=20 Hardcore you become, the more of an Asshole you are, and the more of = an=20 Asshole you are, the more of a Hardcore Jerk you = are!
 
The other princes, I don't really know, = though.
 
Hope this helped!
 
-Exit the = LoneWolf
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