From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Feb 18 21:40:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17414 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:40:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA23685 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:40:20 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:40:20 -0600 Message-Id: <200102190340.VAA23685@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2067 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, February 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2067 In this digest: IN> An Old Testament project... IN> The Heavenly School of Human Languages Re: IN> Abracax, Demon Prince of Assholes (name tenative) Re: IN> The Heavenly School of Human Languages Re: IN> Sapient animals IN> Beelzebub (write-up) part 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:12:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> An Old Testament project... It's GURPS, and it's apparently got enough authors for now, but playtesters might be welcome. http://pages.prodigy.net/kdladage/jegame/sjg_got.html It's being hosted and coordinated by the talented K. David Ladage . The system is GURPS, but that only matters for game mechanics. Even if you don't want to partcipate now, this could well turn into an interesting resource for In Nomine games... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:40 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: IN> The Heavenly School of Human Languages Moe asked for it... Angels who are assigned to earthly duties need to learn the language. Some Archangels have in-house teachers for commonly used languages, but when an angel needs a rare language, or wants to sharpen his skill, he goes to Yves' school. The Heavenly School of Human Languages is in the hands of Enoch, the Mercurian Scholar of Human Languages. His servitors are charged with maintaining their knowledge of languages as they evolve, preserving dialects and languages as they pass out of use, and passing on their knowledge to all who need it. There are a surprisingly large number of human souls teaching in the School, since they, who have /lived/ in a language, are felt to understand it in ways that are difficult for Angels. In heaven, the school is situated "behind" Yves' Library. While its own texts and records serve for many purposes, it's often necessary to search the Library for examples of language and its development. Randolf, the Seraph Angel of Dictionaries, frequently provides aid to the school, and seeks its help almost as often. If different languages and their acquisition become important to a campaign, use the GURPS rules for learning them, and so on, via G:IN. Enoch Mercurian of Destiny Angel of Human Languages Vassal of Destiny Friend of the Sages Master of Divine Knowledge Scholar of Human Languages Member of the Ivory Council Corporal Forces 4 Strength 7 Agility 9 Ethereal Forces 5 Intelligence 12 Precision 8 Celestial Forces 5 Will 8 Perception 12 Word Forces 12 Attunments: Akashic Record, Divine Destiny, Divine Logic, Forgetful Words, Library Card, Past Lives. Mercurian of Destiny, Ofanite of Destiny, Malakite of Destiny, Seraph of Destiny (including dissonance conditions, from Master of Divine Knowledge). Omnilingual. Languages: Cantonese/6, Mandarin/6, Japanese/6, Korean/6, Russian/6, Hindi/6, Urdu/6, Enochian/6, English/6, Italian/6, French/6, Latin/6, Ancient Greek/6, Hebrew/6, Arabic/6, Persian/6, Portugese/6, Danish/6, German/6, Turkish/6, Dutch/5, Irish Gaelic/5, Polish/5, Serbo-Croat/5, Old Norse/5, Icelandic/5, Vietnamese/5, Tagalog/5, Tamil/5, Finnish/4, Basque/4, Welsh/4 and almost every other human language used since 1500BC at 2 or 3. Skills Artistry (Writing)/6, Artistry (Calligraphy)/4, Artistry (Mouth-Organ)/1, Climbing/1, Computer Operation/1, Detect Lies/4, Emote/6, Knowledge (Acoustics)/3, Knowledge (Anthropology)/5, Knowledge (Cryptography)/3, Knowledge (Linguistics)/6, Medicine/2, Ranged Weapon (Pistol)/3, Savoir-Faire/6, Seduction/1, Singing/6, Survival (Jungle)/2, Swimming/1, Tactics/2, Tracking/2. Songs Direction (3/3/3), Fire (2/6/3), Form (1/5/6), Healing (4/3/3), Memory (4/3/3), Tongues (all/6), Unity (2/6/4). Enoch - the language is /not/ named after him - did his first few decades of service in the Corporeal realm in China, as a diplomat's assistant, and still retains a slightly Chinese attitude to many things. While he is one of the greatest linguists in history, he is always keen to learn more, almost regardless of its apparent triviality. His few visits to the Corporeal since 1800AD have largely been in roles as an explorer, learning obscure languages and dialects before they're swept away. He treasures new words, slang and usages and considers that the human urge to linguistic diversity hasn't been conquered by the Media - just made more subtle. Since acquiring the Seraph resonance, he's grown to heartily dislike the kind of jargon that seeks to obscure meaning, but is comforted by the human trait of seeing through it within seconds. Naturally, he has a close relationship with Randolf, the Seraph Angel of Dictionaries, and equally naturally, they disagree, subtly but firmly, on the extent to which words can be said to have individual meanings, and indeed, on the precise definition of the concept of "meaning" in different languages. Servitor Attunments Omnilingual: the servitor has a default skill with any language related to one he knows, of (known language-2). For example, an angel with this Attunments who knew English/5 would be able to cope with French, German or most other European languages as if he had skill/3 - although his accent will be worse, and it will be obvious that he's working off language similarities. He wouldn't be able to cope with Russian (a Slavic language), Hungarian (Finno-Ugaric), Cantonese (not even Indo-European) or Navaho (really different). Related Scholars or Philosophers of Yves that could use writing up include the Angel of Secret Languages, the Angel of Celestial Languages, the Angel of Cryptography, the Angel of Dictionaries, the Angel of Interpreters, and the up-and-coming candidate Angel of Computer Languages. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:58:43 -0800 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Abracax, Demon Prince of Assholes (name tenative) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C099DC.D0911DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With special thanks to Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's Good Omens = for giving me the idea. Now you know who to shoot. I'm still fleshing = out certain parts, in particular Band attunements. Suggestions? I believe that he should likely be a former servitor of Theft, based = upon the description you've provided. Why? =20 He supports a "lesser" evil (like Theft in the world of IN, as evidenced = by the fact the angels of the wind have bulging jackets), and INC, Theft = works well as an evil because it spread unhappiness and general = grumpiness which invariably encourages selfishness, much like the word = of Assholes. OTOH, Malphas is a more reasonable choice . . . but I'd = say he'd be associated with Valefor. Dissonance: It is Dissonant for a servitor of Abracax to cease any = activity based on social niceties or someone else asking them to stop. = Likewise, if they see an opportunity to make a strained situation worse = (like the afforementioned possibility of blowing out the air = conditioning in a DMV office during the summer), not doing so would be = dissonant. ha ha ha, nice . . . but /very/ limiting, since, potentially, there is = almost always a way to make just about any social situation a strained = social situation . . . Also, sounds like his Demons probably aren't that well liked, perhaps = especially by each other. The "People Who Hate People" group of = servitors comes to mind (to quote the late Bill Hicks). Band Attunements: Balseraphs:=20 Oddly enough, often multiple people in a situation will think that his = actions are perfectly justified, thus further infuriating those who are = not blinded to the asshole qualities before them. Probably a mere = autosuccess with their resonance, rolling d666 only for the CD (and = intervention check), but only to cause people to emphasize with them = when their being an asshole. Djinn: Djinn serving Abracax gain the ability to spread their own = state of disgruntled apathy onto those they are attuned with a succesful = Will roll. The subject can attempt to resist with a Will roll of their = own. If they fail, the condition lasts for (CD of the origonal roll) = hours. Calabim: Not sure what to give them either. I want to avoid simply = giving them a bonus to their resonance roll for some specific purpose, = as that just doesn't seem to click. They might have a similar Band attunement to Malphas' Calabim. Habbalah: Abracax's Habbalah specialise in setting people up to make = assholes of themselves by complaining: they can use their resonance to = cause someone else to become overly irritable. The CD should be a = guide, from a 1 being slightly grouchy to 6 being the proverbial 'pins = and needles' condition. Lilim: Again not too sure here. Maybe an immunity to the dissonance = conditions and being able to collect a minor (level 1) geas from the = person who -asks- them to stop? (It could be thought of as a Need...) Like Saminga, I'd imagine that Assholes attracts few Lilim, as acting = like an asshole (or bitch) is not really in their favor. I'd grant them = all Knight of Insensitivity. Shedim: Another one where I can't think of something that really = works. I think it should definately be something comparatively subtle, = though. His Shedim are generally much more low-key. Well, they could possess the ability to automatically enter someone = acting like an asshole, or receive a bonus to their resonance to cause = someone to act like an asshole (though, its likely that most people are = there are already and don't need an extra push, rendering this = pointless), they might be capable bringing to memory (host's) feelings = of hurt, fear, and anger and therefore gain a bonus to "push their = buttons" so to speak. Impudites: They make anti-social behavior look cool. When they do = something that sucessfully irritates someone in charge of the current = situation (bank teller, teacher, drill sergent), they gain a temporary = Charisma bonus equal to half the CD of a successful Will roll (round = up), lasting for a number of days equal to the CD, with regards to = anyone who saw it. Servitor attunements (Need to think of at least one more) Watch Me: By spending 2 essense and making a successful Will roll, a = demon with this attunement can cause someone else to lose any regard for = one particular social taboo of their choice (smoking in non-smoking = areas, swearing in front of children, whatever). It lasts for as many = hours as the CD of the roll, and the subject can resist with a Will = roll. Angels resist with a bonus equal to their Celestial forces, = demons, being inherently selfish, don't get such a bonus. Blow Me: By spending 2 essence and succeeding a contest of Wills with = the victim, this attunement causes the victim to become suddenly = enraged, the demon symbolizing all that they despise in people in = general. Once the attunement has been successfully used on a victim, = the victim must succeed Will rolls to prevent himself from attacking the = demon verbally (if not physically), and act like a total asshole towards = the demon. For every round after the first, the victim's will is worn = down as he becomes more and more infuriated. At this point, the demon = will be able to claim sympathy from those around him as having been the = " victim." Obviously, this attunement is difficult to use successfully on = individuals who have enough self-control to remove themselves from the = situation. Even still, for a number of months equal the demons Ethereal = forces, the victim will have a negative reaction modifier against the = demon, equal to the degree by which the demon succeeded the Contest of = Wills. At the end of the months this reaction modifer will diminish at = the rate of -1 every week. =20 Rites -Make a stressful situation worse, directly or indirectly. -Annoy or anger someone to the point of making an improper emotional = outburst. (+2 essense if it was a Angel, +3 if it was an Elohite and see = below) (any other ideas?) Distinctions: Knight of Insensitivity: Abracax's knights can look at someone and see = their pet peeve, whatever it is that annoys them most in general. = Abracax will always give this at the very least if one of his servitors = causes an Elohite to gain dissonance through irrational outbursts = without using any supernatural abilities. Captain of Creeps: As above, but when doing so they also see what = social taboos the person doesn't care for. In other words, they'll know = what a person is most likely to be an asshole about himself. Baron of Bastards: I had something lined up for this, but I completely = forgot it before I wrote it down. Ideas? Invocation base: 3 Modifiers: +1 A complicated form +2 A fast food restaurant during lunch hour +3 An argument or fight between two people that could have been solved = reasonably +4 A traffic jam +5 At a long line, 10 minutes before closing +6 A riot that began as a legitimate protest Relations: I'm not certain how to handle this, to be honest. His = behavior would definately alienate himself from a lot of the royalty, = but his word works so well in tandem with others. Allied: Malpas Associated: Valefor, Asmodeus, Nightmares, Lust Hostile: Hardcore, Kobal, the Media Enemy: No One Asmodeus is the biggest, baddest asshole in Hell next to Abracax! Nightmares, as her actions help generate general fear, which his demons = use to their benefit Lust, because there's nothing quite as asshole as getting dumped by a = callous bastard/bitch. Hardcore is stupid competition Kobal, because his humor, however dark, is still humor and doesn't serve = Assholes' purposes the Media, because TV and News serves to dull people to the suffering = and assholes in the world around them - ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C099DC.D0911DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

With special thanks to Terry Pratchett and Neil = Gaiman's=20 Good Omens for giving me the idea.  Now you know who to = shoot.  I'm=20 still fleshing out certain parts, in particular Band = attunements. =20 Suggestions?
 
I believe that he should likely be a = former=20 servitor of Theft, based upon the description you've provided. =20 Why? 
He supports a "lesser" evil (like Theft = in the=20 world of IN, as evidenced by the fact the angels of the wind have = bulging=20 jackets), and INC, Theft works well as an evil because it spread = unhappiness and=20 general grumpiness which invariably encourages selfishness, much like = the word=20 of Assholes.  OTOH, Malphas is a more reasonable choice  . . . = but I'd=20 say he'd be associated with Valefor.
Dissonance: It is Dissonant for a servitor of = Abracax to=20 cease any activity based on social niceties or someone else asking = them to=20 stop.  Likewise, if they see an opportunity to make a strained = situation=20 worse (like the afforementioned possibility of blowing out the air=20 conditioning in a DMV office during the summer), not doing so would be = dissonant.
ha ha ha, nice . . . but /very/ = limiting, since,=20 potentially, there is almost always a way to make just about any social=20 situation a strained social situation . . .
 
Also, sounds like his Demons probably = aren't that=20 well liked, perhaps especially by each other.  The "People Who Hate = People"=20 group of servitors comes to mind (to quote the late Bill = Hicks).
 
Band Attunements:
 
Balseraphs:
Oddly enough, often multiple people in = a situation=20 will think that his actions are perfectly justified, thus further = infuriating=20 those who are not blinded to the asshole qualities before them.  = Probably a=20 mere autosuccess with their resonance, rolling d666 only for the CD (and = intervention check), but only to cause people to emphasize with them = when their=20 being an asshole.
 
Djinn: Djinn serving Abracax gain the ability to = spread=20 their own state of disgruntled apathy onto those they are attuned with = a=20 succesful Will roll.  The subject can attempt to resist with a = Will roll=20 of their own.  If they fail, the condition lasts for (CD of the = origonal=20 roll) hours.
 
Calabim: Not sure what to give them either.  = I want to=20 avoid simply giving them a bonus to their resonance roll for some = specific=20 purpose, as that just doesn't seem to click.
 
They might have a similar Band = attunement to=20 Malphas' Calabim.
 
Habbalah: Abracax's Habbalah specialise in setting = people up=20 to make assholes of themselves by complaining: they can use their = resonance to cause someone else to become overly irritable.  The = CD=20 should be a guide, from a 1 being slightly grouchy to 6 being the = proverbial=20 'pins and needles' condition.
 
Lilim: Again not too sure here.  Maybe an = immunity to=20 the dissonance conditions and being able to collect a minor (level 1) = geas=20 from the person who -asks- them to stop?  (It could be thought of = as a=20 Need...)
 
Like Saminga, I'd imagine that Assholes = attracts=20 few Lilim, as acting like an asshole (or bitch) is not really in their=20 favor.  I'd grant them all Knight of Insensitivity.
 
Shedim: Another one where I can't think of = something that=20 really works.  I think it should definately be something = comparatively=20 subtle, though.  His Shedim are generally much more = low-key.
 
Well, they could possess the ability to = automatically enter someone acting like an asshole, or receive a bonus = to their=20 resonance to cause someone to act like an asshole (though, its likely = that most=20 people are there are already and don't need an extra push, rendering = this=20 pointless), they might be capable bringing to memory (host's) feelings = of hurt,=20 fear, and anger and therefore gain a bonus to "push their buttons" so to = speak.
 
Impudites: They make anti-social behavior = look=20 cool.  When they do something that sucessfully irritates = someone=20 in charge of the current situation (bank teller, teacher, drill = sergent), they=20 gain a temporary Charisma bonus equal to half the CD of a successful = Will roll=20 (round up), lasting for a number of days equal to the CD, with regards = to=20 anyone who saw it.
 
 
Servitor attunements (Need to think of at least = one=20 more)
 
Watch Me: By spending 2 essense and making a = successful Will=20 roll, a demon with this attunement can cause someone else to lose any = regard=20 for one particular social taboo of their choice (smoking in = non-smoking areas,=20 swearing in front of children, whatever).  It lasts for as many = hours as=20 the CD of the roll, and the subject can resist with a Will roll.  = Angels=20 resist with a bonus equal to their Celestial forces, demons, being = inherently=20 selfish, don't get such a bonus.
 
Blow Me: By spending 2 essence and = succeeding a=20 contest of Wills with the victim, this attunement causes the victim to = become=20 suddenly enraged, the demon symbolizing all that they despise in people = in=20 general.  Once the attunement has been successfully used on a = victim, the=20 victim must succeed Will rolls to prevent himself from attacking the = demon=20 verbally (if not physically), and act like a total asshole towards the=20 demon.  For every round after the first, the victim's will is worn = down as=20 he becomes more and more infuriated.   At this point, the = demon will=20 be able to claim sympathy from those around him as having been the "=20 victim."
 
Obviously, this attunement is difficult = to use=20 successfully on individuals who have enough self-control to remove = themselves=20 from the situation.  Even still, for a number of months equal the = demons=20 Ethereal forces, the victim will have a negative reaction modifier = against the=20 demon, equal to the degree by which the demon succeeded the Contest of=20 Wills.  At the end of the months this reaction modifer will = diminish at the=20 rate of -1 every week.
 
Rites
-Make a stressful situation worse, directly or=20 indirectly.
-Annoy or anger someone to the point of making an = improper=20 emotional outburst. (+2 essense if it was a Angel, +3 if it was an = Elohite and=20 see below)
(any other ideas?)
 
Distinctions:
 
Knight of Insensitivity: Abracax's knights can = look at=20 someone and see their pet peeve, whatever it is that annoys them most = in=20 general.  Abracax will always give this at the very least if one = of his=20 servitors causes an Elohite to gain dissonance through irrational = outbursts=20 without using any supernatural abilities.
 
Captain of Creeps: As above, but when doing so = they also see=20 what social taboos the person doesn't care for.  In other words, = they'll=20 know what a person is most likely to be an asshole about=20 himself.
 
Baron of Bastards: I had something lined up for = this, but I=20 completely forgot it before I wrote it down.  Ideas?
 
 
Invocation base: 3
 
Modifiers:
+1 A complicated form
+2 A fast food restaurant during lunch = hour
+3 An argument or fight between two people that = could have=20 been solved reasonably
+4 A traffic jam
+5 At a long line, 10 minutes before = closing
+6 A riot that began as a legitimate = protest
 
Relations:  I'm not certain how to handle = this, to be=20 honest.  His behavior would definately alienate himself from a = lot of the=20 royalty, but his word works so well in tandem with = others.
 
Allied: Malpas
Associated: Valefor, Asmodeus, = Nightmares,=20 Lust
Hostile: Hardcore, Kobal, the = Media
Enemy:  No One
 
Asmodeus is the biggest, baddest = asshole in Hell=20 next to Abracax!
Nightmares, as her actions help = generate general=20 fear, which his demons use to their benefit
Lust, because there's nothing quite as = asshole as=20 getting dumped by a callous bastard/bitch.
Hardcore is stupid = competition
Kobal, because his humor, however dark, = is still=20 humor and doesn't serve Assholes' purposes
the Media, because TV and News serves = to dull=20 people to the suffering and assholes in the world around=20 them
- ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C099DC.D0911DC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:22:40 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> The Heavenly School of Human Languages Cool idea. Nitpicks: > the Library for examples of language and its development. Randolf, the > Seraph Angel of Dictionaries, frequently provides aid to the school, and > seeks its help almost as often. IIRC, Randolph is an Ofanite. :) > Related Scholars or Philosophers of Yves that could use writing up include > the Angel of Secret Languages, the Angel of Celestial Languages, the Angel > of Cryptography, the Angel of Dictionaries, the Angel of Interpreters, and > the up-and-coming candidate Angel of Computer Languages. Again, the IIRC the Angel of Dictionaries is in H&H. The others aren't though...and that Angel of Computer Languages looks interesting. :) :) Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:26:32 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> Sapient animals > origin of any species. If memory serves me, the flood myth has never > even been mentioned in IN. > IIRC, it was mentioned in S1, in the writeup of Mihr, the Angel of Mercy, a Word-bound Servitor of Dominic. :) Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:36:04 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Beelzebub (write-up) part 3 Calabim in Beelzebub's service Beelzebub's Calabim are the exception to his rule about being tempters as they serve as the Prince of Corruption's private army along with selected members of other service. Beelzebub views the Destroyer Band as mostly cannon fodder against angels and while some gain great power in his forces against Heaven as Purity and Angel hunters most end up being destroyed protecting his more "worthwhile" servitors. Given most Calabim are naturally brutal, violent, animals this has not dissauded many from his service though the Lord of the War found Beelzebub's use of them an amazing waste of demonic forces. Calabim of Corruption are given a numeous corpus song equal to their resonance rolls which they can use without essence cost automatically. Superior Opinions Beelzebub being dead for close to two milleniuia is not exactly what one would call the most trendy prince to discuss with one's Superior however a number still maintain opinions on the fellow and his work despite the fact the evil he wrought died so long ago. It is unlikely however that Fufur knows who Beezelbub even is save from rock album lyrics, Vapula writes him off as an intriguing historical reverse engineering prodject, Nybbas has little real interest in dead historical documentries though "The Year of Legion" and "Makatiel: Heaven's illegitamate child" sold well in the Archives and Hades, and the same can be said for most of the other younger Princes. The situation is slightly different in Heaven as Laurence and Khalid both know Beezelbub well and spent most of their lives carving up his servitors with great pride and frequency, needless to say his death ranks along with the Purity Crusade as Heaven's Greatest Triumphs since the defeat of Lucifer in Heaven in their minds. Litheroy is always paranoid about unearthed evil secrets being used aknew by Alameon and Christopher has little first hand experience of Beezlebub save a bad dead prince who opposed his former Archangels work. Heaven Blandine: Do not underestimate this queer slut or her minions! The inspirer of dreams does more damage to the word of corruption than any save Uriel! I intend to march my legions into the Marches once this is done and slaughter her once Uriel's word had withered and died...it would be a favor to myself and Beleth! "I'm glad he's dead. The creature was among the most terrible inspirer of nightmares and crusher of dreams that has ever existed and Uriel's slaying of him was a favor to us all. It is a sad lamentable horror however that the thing's destruction would be followed so soon by Uriel's madness and the destruction of Raphael by his word's inheritor....if a life beyond oblivion exists I'm sure the Lord of Flies would be laughing." David: The fool is Uriel's right arm. Stupid and devoted as I must have seemed to Lucifer so long ago he promotes Purity and aids their soldiers. They cannot hit first so either destroy everything around them in an orgy of horrors or make your shot count. "Contemptible pile of filth and a weakener of humanity's stone into the same slovering pile of mush that composed him. I am offended my former choir produced such a piece of drek...and pleased my blood brother could slay him" Dominic: Humanity's judgement is distinctly lacking old boy. Your judgement during the Fall also lacked foresight....then again you are an Archangel instead of the bootlicking clerk you should be and were. Perhaps you have better judgement than I thought, still laws protect the strong and exploit the weak. Let us see how you judge that Godchild. "Beelzebub was along with Asmodeus and Meserach one of those who most kept humanity from a system of true justice and mercy. The once Commander of the Host was right to uproot him despite the darkness that followed, we have only now emerged from his shadow...I only wish I knew what affect it had on his mind." Eli: The creator is an inspirer but the Patron of bards no longer makes things that might hurt me. Splendor of Rome allows people more time to be corrupted...ignore him and he shall go away. Pre-Exile: "My servitors be on the look out for this creature's handiwork and warriors though Meserach and others destroy more his is an evil that perverts even the finest craftsmen to dark dealings. Summon the Commander of the Host's warriors to deal with him for they are best." Post Exile: "who?" Janus: Like the Goth barbarians these hordes are no threat to the civilized and a thief is a naturally corrupt thing. Given time he and Genubath will likely be playing together in the pit, before I have Baal sever both's heads for the traitors they are. "Just corrupt your archaic dying institutions all you want Beezly. I'll be there to scatter them like the deck of cards in a hurricane that they become....that's basically what I said then mates...and I was right. Uriel helped." Jean: Lucifer's former aid to bringing fire but this Prometheus has done little to help humanity since. Lighting is a useless word and will never mean anything to a civilized society. "Beezelbub was Uriel's opposite number in Hell and particularly antagionistic to the man during his early years inhibiting education, social reform, and Heaven's work in large sucessful countries. His death was the greatest victory of the age but was sadly followed closely by Uriel's Crusade which still in many ways divides heaven. I didn't care for him." Jordi: Animals...it is amazing Jordi did not Fall....we'll see what we can do about that. "He created the urban sprawl in many ways and the arrogant divine mandate many nations claim over each other let alone the animal world. I despised him and howled a choir of fifty wolves when Rome burned as his funeral pyre." Marc: Marc is a fool and a lost disciple of Lucifer elevated beyond his station to fill the ranks of the Fallen. This pathetic bean counter and scale checker will prove very little aid in the War I can assure you...providing he's not devoured by some horror before hand. "Beelzebub was a peon before the Fall and Lucifer's boot lick. After the Fall he was a peon and trying to make everyone else his. His servitors also encouraged the worst kind of excesses and tyranny that impinged on trade which didn't help my opinion of the man. I'm glad he's dead." Michael: Oh how the Mighty have fallen! Noble Michael tried for heresay by his own loyal troops! How utterly delicious to know my word is infesting even the heart of Heavengly strength. I take full credit for the work of course...if his servitors weren't having to resort to such "drastic measures" trying to root out mine they never would have been tried. He'll be forgotton soon enough. "Beelzebub was one of Hell's most wasteful, extravagent, excessive, and militarily stupid princes. Honestly I wish he had been in charge of the War for it might have been over by now. Still he was rot on the human spirit and brought even mighty warriors low with success....my brother Uriel was right to slay him." Novalis: HAHAHAHAHA! Oh this is rich. Novalis an Archangel! The desperate lengths Heaven has gone to for the replacement of Kobal and Andre is delierious. Her servitors pacisfistic ways make them easy to mow down and we can safely ignore her....still I won't mind strangling her if I get the chance, I prefer fighting foes with dignity and Heaven might recover it without her. "*wince* Beelzebub was ummmm....well errr oh dear. It's a shame he died so awfully." Oannes: Great warrior indeed! He was a fool and died because he could not control his rage against Vephar. That is corruption and when Belial destroyed Oannes that was merely the final toll for his sins. Oannes was nothing and the seas will soon be as dead as he if I have anything to say about it... "Vile unholy creature who stains the perfect Symphony with his dark essence. The foul thing does not much intrude on my works with his villany but it will be a bright day when my waters boil him to the base component forces he is made of." Raphael: Knowledge leads to Purity if it is the truth. The best way to make deal with it is to fill it with lies, self glorifying spiels, propaganda, and unassailable dogma about the divinity of violent murderous lecherous and debased beings. Thus Raphael's word is corrupted and I reap the benifits. "Education did not prove an effective lure against Beelzebub who makes sure my libraries and schools remain unattended or turned to propaganda for his pawns. Ultimately both Uriel and I both failed to contain his influence in Rome and the West will suffer long for the scorched earth Uriel believes saved us from his manipulations" Uriel: Ugh Heaven has never produced such a one as this and God's horrofic usurption of our right to free will in the Malakim is a dark stain on the Universe that burns my very essence with it's straight, terrible, RIGHTEOUS chords. The Commander of the Host is our most dire foe and I will reward any who slay his servants, in the meantime I command you to fill his Word with my own and disturb the Symphony until he is driven mad! "Veni, Vedi, Vichi." Yves: The Archangel of Destiny looks like a human and his goals reflect such. The quiet inspirers of hope and dream do less measurable good than Blandine or Uriel however. Slaughter them where you can, persecute their followers, and decry the religeon of Abraham and Persia as heresay to your land. He will break like a human I am certain. "Beelzebub's fate was met and not all of my efforts could dissaude him from embracing his end throughly. I feel for him." Zadkiel: Pah! A spear maiden in Uriel's brigades and unworthy of the mantle of Archangel. It causes her terrible dissonance to watch her charges suffer so greatly, let us see how they react to all of humanity embracing the Pit willingly where we were pushed! "Beelzebub was a great enemy of mine for while he was not often given to acts of violent destruction as some Princes his danger to men's SPIRITUAL health was among the worst of his time. I am pleased such a blot is no more." Hell Andrephalus: Andrephalus is an worthy Demonic associate as there is few things as corrupting as naked lust for others bodies with no feeling for them beyond one's gratification. I approve. "Ugly hideous debased thing. Ugh I refused to stand in the same room with that...thing. Still his servitors promoted my word and aside from my curiousity as to how they could....I approved. Still I must say I don't miss that steamy pile of...well maggots. Vapula isn't much better but at least he provides interesting toys." Asmodeus: We share the same goals in the ultimate revenge of the Symphony and it is he who by his powerful lawful ways drives our associates to actually acomplish victory against Heaven...and prevent the redemption of our cowardly associates. I have no need of him really but I enjoy his company. Let the Game be known as the firmest brother of Corruption in existence. "To enter Corruption's service was to become truly dedicated to the cause of evil. We are of like mind and I rarely had to excercise my powers on his followers and even then he is most...acommadating. Our games of Chess, Go, and Rithomancy were the stuff of legends. It is a pity Legion marred his word for there will never again be a Prince of Corruption to finish our last game....I will see to that." Baal: Our warrior Commander unlawfully usurped my position as leader of our military forces during the Fall and has proven arrogant beyond belief in our time...yet there is none who I would rather have at the army but myself and I must unfortunately admit that there is few more twisted hearts in Hell for the War on God. Do not break the alliance we have even as I run my own war affairs... "Beezlebub was a very talented tempter who has gained for Hell on numerous occasion large ammounts of material wealth, power, and information that proved crucial in forming the societies Hell now depends on to overwhelm heaven. He was also the most incompetant military tactician I have ever seen in command of a war force and congradulate Uriel on his victory...wherever he is." Beleth: Lucifer's minor plaything and whore, he used her for his pleasure and to provide himself proof that he could break up even the voracious appetites of Cherubs for pleasures of the spiritual flesh. Now that she is banished to the Marches she is even more of an annoyance for she WRONGLY believes the land of the mind is not my province....still nothing to concern one with. "The corruption of the spirit invariably leads to nightmares of horror....that is the best I could say about Lucifer's fool even above Kobal." Belial: A useful tool for slaughter and little else like most Calabim. Still he deserves respect enough for being wise enough to join with our rebellion when the time came round. I do not appreciae his spreading his word however in my beutiful slums, fire even his burns away corruption there. "Lucifer's tool and the provider of much of the shoddiest workmanship and lack of proper fire equipment in the civilized world known to man...plus he helped along with Baal to make some of the nastiest armies in the world. Still I couldn't help but want to burn his entire principality down while he was alive and I enjoy Vapula much better in his seat." Gebbeleth: The Prince of Secrets is a child of whorish Beleth and carnal Blandine is a purveyer of intrigue and that I am fond of. Otherwise I have little association with the man. I leave him to his consorts and darkness. "Corruption leaves skelatons in one's closet to hide. I do not need but the most periphial association with such a figure and that's the way I like it." Genubath: How can such a vile creation be the product of our holy line? Such is surely the curse of the Lord's upon us in his jealousy. This THING endangers my empire and us all with his pathetic and vile behavior. His servants will be the first to die...then he shall...and he will never suspect me. "He is weak and his empires are weak. Still I am grateful for him to pile such treasures in such large places for me to take." Kobal: Lucifer's court jester and one to be treated as a mortal court jester. Ignored. "Snerk I loved Beelzebub in that strictly hetreo-straight man spirit sort of way. He was so funny....*sigh* you just can't open a can of worms like him lately." Lilith: A *human* Prince is the most cruel joke that Lucifer has ever played upon us and I resent such an abomination being treated like an equal along with her illitamate half-demon children. I swear I think the Lilim are all her spawn with the Prince of Darkness..or any number of hellborn pigs. "Beelzebub was a uglier, foul smeller, gaudier dressing version of Baal if he tried to play the games of Kronos without the skill. My only regret when the Malakite destroyed him was the ammount of geases I lost on the servitors who were subsequently destroyed..." Makatiel: Disease aids in corruption but all too frequently kills before it can have one's soul claimed. He is wasteful but I shall not fault a opponent who attracts Heaven's Commander from me because of the way he kills...why I can tolerate Saminga. "Corruption of the body is not as interesting to Beelzebub as the spirit....but I think we can still do business for the punishing of the wicked." Malphas: Malphas corrupts greatly the human race by eliminating the great defenses against my influence. Trust, Honesty, Compassion, Friendship...and love. He is a useful tool and deserves my aid even if I refuse to grant him the trust he thinks he can so easily win despite past treachery. "Beelzebub was a useful companion but ultimately he united more people in their decadent aristocracies, mutual oppressions, and hatreds more than he divided....for that stagnation and loyalty he paid with his life. Such a waste...." Mammon: My brother and my companion what we have wrought together. Greed even moreso than Lust is my greatest tool towards bringing all the screaming decadent monkeys to their proper place in the place. Aid them in their endeavors wherever you can my servants for a humanity which hordes cannot crawl through the gates of heaven so loaded with wealth they are." "Beelzebub's death was a great blow to me despite how much I was able to take from his Principality...being his heir apparent of course, quite legal and proper really. Very few Princes could truly appreciate how much wealth really WAS the source of everything good in the Symphony. I miss him." Mariel: Gebbeleth's toy and while the Angel of Memory was a pretty thing in Heaven she is nothing but one of the mad damned the true rebels have brought low not a true Prince in and of herself, pathetic. "Oblivion devours all eventually...especially the stupid." Meserach: Like Greed Sloth is a sin I truly enjoy for stagnaton is the greatest aid corruption has. Purity thrives on being a pulsing living thing but a man who cannot move past his sins will eventually sink to my land with little difficulty. I provide him with what tastes he enjoys and thus we are friends. "Corruption breeds Sloth. I find use enough for him." Saminga: The dead are the one pure thing. "Lucifer's next great prank surely at the hands of Kobal after Lilith has to be this simpering toadey being elevated to Prince. He was nothing as a servitor, he is nothing now. Only more fodder for Beelzebub's troops." Vephar: I like Vephar for he is a monster and a corrupter. "We rarely connect though poisoned water are my land and he does so often by his mere presence." - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2067 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.