From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Feb 28 10:42:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25459 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:42:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA09668 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:46:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:46:20 -0600 Message-Id: <200102281646.KAA09668@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2085 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, February 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2085 In this digest: Re: IN> In> Demonic Roles Re: IN> In> Demonic Roles Re: The Djinn Mindset (Re: IN> Demonic Mindset) IN> Demonic Mindset RE: IN> INS/MV vs IN (was : What to Cut) - Let's get DANGEROUS .. . IN> AD&D and In Nomine Re: IN> Demonic Mindset IN> Djinn Mindset (was demonic) Re: IN> IN/MS Re: IN> Action Figures?! Re: IN> Action Figures?! Re: IN> INS/MV vs IN (was : What to Cut) Re: IN> Angst (was: Re: INS/MV vs IN) Re: IN> IN/MS Re: IN> IN/MS IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN> IN/MS IN> Novalis and Blandine Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine Re: IN> INS/MV vs IN (was : What to Cut) - Let's get DANGEROUS .. . Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine Re: IN> In> Demonic Roles Re: IN> Demonic Mindset Re: IN> AD&D and In Nomine Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN> Demonic Mindset Re: IN> Demonic Mindset Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine Re: IN>To Alter a Nation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:54:00 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> In> Demonic Roles - --On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 15:35 -0500 "Krishnaswami, Neel" wrote: > > If a demon of the Game spent character points on a level 6 role, > then it could create the Role out of nothing and there would be no > background check anyone could do that could break the Role. Every > paper would be in order, every witness would confirm them -- in the > instant it chose who it would be. > > The two human cops who found out about this found it the most > frightening demonic power around. One day you could get a demon as a > superior officer and never even realize that anything unusual had > happened. I imagine that someone whose whole job was security would > find it even more nervous-breakdown-inducing. > This is close enough to my own view of Roles that I'd throw in that I'd allow any humans with the possibility for a sixth force a check every so often to sense that "something has changed." The rationale being that the instaRole(tm) can be woven into the Symphony by a Superior, but doesn't quite ring true to anyone/thing that can take a step back from the Symphony as it affects the Corporeal and take a good look around. (Celestials, Ethereals, Soldiers, cats...) Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("You...who are you? You don't belong here.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:00:14 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> In> Demonic Roles - --On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 15:58 -0500 Earl Wajenberg wrote: > (The angels in the TV series "Touched by an Angel" appear to have > some trick like this. They show up in any job, and they may > flasn an ID, or there may be a memo or so about them coming, > but, apparently, no one ever thinks to ask any more searching > questions -- or even their last names, which they never have. > Of course, they seldom take roles that would entail high security.) The Jack of All Roles attunement. You work "dirtside" for Johab and you pay points for a role as normal, but the role "floats" as appropriate for your current assignment. They're not for "long term" use. This tends to be a character point sucker as you don't get but one of the fun skills that go with the role - you have to buy the rest normally. Being a cop who can't shoot or a computer guy who can't find the power switch is not only suspicious but embarassing. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:04:13 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: The Djinn Mindset (Re: IN> Demonic Mindset) - -----Original Message----- From: Rev. Pee Kitty To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: The Djinn Mindset (Re: IN> Demonic Mindset) > > >On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Rolland Therrien wrote: > >> That's why Fleurity wants to push his drugs on everyone. He wants to own >> their minds, and Drugs are his tools. > >Fleurity's a Habbalite. I stand corrected. I was sure there was a third Djinn Prince currently active, and I confused Fleurity for that Prince. But let's look at another famous Djinn Prince: Beelzebub. That one was clearly trying to possess as many souls, Human and Demon, as he could. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:09:52 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Demonic Mindset >So? Nothing keeps a sociopath from being an effective social infiltrator >that can go for years and years with people loving him, trusting him, and >thinking that he's a great guy -- if he's got enough smarts and charisma. >Ted Bundy comes to mind, but he's hardly the only one. > >(Or for the fictional example, Dr. Hannibal Lecter.) Unfortunately the problem is that really... Demons by their own standards are NOT sociopaths. Hannibal lector could infiltrate humanity fine however that was observed skill and even then he ended up having to flee routinely because he couldn't control his desire to kill people who annoyed him. Demons by their own standards have a society every bit as valid as our own however that society is completely at odds with the human mindset save in it's most cesspoolish aspects. Same with Heaven and the Earth in reverse. Really both are designed to bring them up/down - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:12:23 +1100 From: Chris Rose Subject: RE: IN> INS/MV vs IN (was : What to Cut) - Let's get DANGEROUS .. . - -----Original Message----- From: Marc Bowden [mailto:ryumo@merit.edu] Subject: Re: IN> INS/MV vs IN (was : What to Cut) Drake Mallard Malakite of Justice Angel of Crusaders Role/6 (Darkwing Duck) ...let's stop there.) - ---- How About : Launchpad McQuack Ofanite of Stone Angel of Sidekicks Role/6 (Launchpad McQuack) (Well, since everybody is talking roles these days, and Launchpad's been in every Duckberg related Disney toon yet) Chris CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify AMCOR immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of AMCOR. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:14:06 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> AD&D and In Nomine Like your dragons idea > Halflings that aren't wanderers. And low Marc said unto Eli "Dude no offense but we've got these dwarves yes they're cool and yes they understand property...we've got these gnomes see above but frankly I'm having alittle trouble with my post production values here and enjoying the aspects of trade and the huamn form." "Eh?" "Make me some workaholics." "Okay." "Also make em hungry...consumers for lots of production." "Uh huh" "and short to save on the overhead." "Okay. Done" "that was a joke Eli." Dominic putters over "Can you make them stay at home law abiding folk who don't disobey laws?" "What?" *zoom* - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:23:33 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Demonic Mindset [snip] > Demons by their own standards have a society every bit as valid as our own > however that society is completely at odds with the human mindset save in > it's most cesspoolish aspects. Again, I say, so? The problem of inserting somebody as a sleeper agent into a society that's utterly antithetical to his belief system and expecting him to look normal in place for years on end is, again, a problem that's already been confronted and solved in both the real and fictional worlds. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:40:14 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Djinn Mindset (was demonic) > I have an alternate view of the Djinn Mindset. Basically, they couldn't > care less if they're adored or fawned upon, or even noticed. Think Beleth > wants Blandine to love her again? Think Asmodeus gives a flying frag > whether or not he's loved by anyone? Actually I think exactly that. I imagine Beleth is sort of like this.... Beleth: I do want Blandine back but I want her to bend her knee to me and acknowledge my greatness. I want also EVERYONE I know all of humanity to do this...I hate them all and want them to know Nightmares truly is the essence of reality, a never ending waking horror is life. Asmodeus: Is it better to be loved or feared? Haha my poor little foolish disciple it is obvious the answer to such that there IS no difference between being loved and feared. Fear is the essence of love because it means that someone can destroy you with a thought or cause you pain you attempt to please and care for them in order to avoid this pain...angels in heaven thus yes DO love God and we do not. Now say a Djinn of Lust... "Amanda can't do a thing without me. She knows thanks to me she's not very good looking and no one would want to @*@& her cept for me so she tolerates my infidelities. I've even got her trained to ask for the way I like it..." A Djinn of Nightmares... "I do the scary movie a thon....I also do the Goth scene and hook up people with stuff." A Djinn of The Game... "As a Djinn of the Game I am feared and appreciated by my fellow Demons and can have whatever I want because of it." A Djinn of War... "My troops demand my complete harsh hand and give me the love and respect I demand for this harsh hand." A Djinn of Secrets... "You really want to know who killed JFK...okay but it comes with a price...you'll pay ANY price. Music to my ears." A Djinn of Hardcore... "My name is Durden...Tyler Durden. You ask me to make you men well baby I'm going to make you men. GET OVER HERE! I want you to call me your messiah! NOW!" A Djinn of Dark Humor... "*sarcastic leer* Danny wanted to know the punchline of a Holy Bartender....I gave it to him." A Djinn of Fate... "*best Damien Thorne rant* Yes I am your messiah and all you adore me as I give unto you my holy wrath for your own good!" A Djinn of Factions "Well yes Bob and Linda were some of my finest work. Bob was my business partner and "friend" for 13 years and Linda was my whore....also Bob's wife. Bob grew to really hate his wife when he realized I was doing her and he couldn't do or say anything without destroying his life's earnings..fun stuff..I encouraged to see Tina...whose engauged but now pregnant with his kid." A Djinn of Drugs "Dude all my boys love me. Heroine, Ectasy, Coke, Hard coke, all the stuff they put in their bodies they ASK for and man oh man do I live the high life because of it...how baby this is how a man who hates the monkeys SHOUDL LIVE!" A Djinn of Technology "Day 1: Subject claims to experience chronic sleep disorder. Day 13: Addicted to new pill and now willing to do favors for me around lab for fix...suggest quit job to further aid me. Day 40: Subject overdoses....as expected drug eventually duplicates cardiac arrest." A Djinn of Fire "I swear you put in faulty wiring...you get what you pay for....but NOOOOOooo they have to have free cabel...it's like my dad always says...give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." A Djinn of Greed "Jonny was a fun sport that he wanted to make the BIG score soon and fast...so I got him involved in the business. Got him an apartment, massuese/mistress, etc but he wanted into the real business....I didn't elaborate and now he's doing fifteen to twenty. Oh well...ooo he just got gangraped I wish I could record this." A Djinn of the Media "Yeah I'm a personal trainer. My clients ask to lose 100 pounds in four weeks...well hell you do what you have to do. My clients want to bulk up...hell I know some fleurity servitors. My clients want to know how to win games...well no one said the advice would be pleasant. I'm the hottest thing on the market" A Djinn of Gluttony "MMmmm more red meat, more grease in your diet, you want fries with that HELL YES! This is America! We ain't doing the salad thing.....more secret sauce our customer IS ALWAYS RIGHT!" A Djinn of Theft "Ronnies the Bag Man. Pity the poor dude I just picked out of a crowd....reminds me of that chick we had for our gang earlier...what was her name Patty Broughtworst or something?" A Djinn of Cruelty "Hurts doesn't it? You want more? Ohhhhh too bad. Oh well I'll just have to go rape your five year old daughter and wear her head as a hat while I eat your son alive....oh you've changed your mind. good!" A Djinn of Death "You didn't actually believe I was HUMAN did you...I swear with a name like Kevorkian you'd think..." - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:43:53 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> IN/MS >what else is different in the two games? > >-Charlemagne ok, I'm tired of answering this question over an over again (not that I have to, but I like answering it). Check out: http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo/insmv/differences.html - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:03:30 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Action Figures?! >>>http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net/ >>(Is is just me, or does the God Almighty action figure have the >>biggest gun?) >> Marc Bowden > I know this is where I usually make some dry, pithy comment, but I >can't breathe. Ahhh . . . I've touched another soul tonight. - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation : kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:05:15 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Action Figures?! >>>http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net/ >>(Is is just me, or does the God Almighty action figure have the >>biggest gun?) >> Marc Bowden > I know this is where I usually make some dry, pithy comment, but I >can't breathe. Ahhh . . . I've touched another soul tonight. - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation : kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:35:48 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> INS/MV vs IN (was : What to Cut) >On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 01:12:46AM +0000, Perry Lloyd wrote: > > I've received permission from Siroz productions to translate (and >therefore > > create a personal copy) of INS/MV into english. (Which means, no, I will >NOT > > be emailing copies or posting it on the web - that would be very >illegal; so > > none of you will ever see INS/MV in english unless you come down to >Athens > > and hold the hard-copy in your hands, or get permission from them to > > translate it yourself.) > >If you're not going to post it anywhere or redistribute it in any way, >you don't need their permission to translate it. That's covered by >Fair Use. You just can't redistribute the translation. Don't ask >permission for things that are your right -- it's servile and weak, >and I may have to go all Habbalite on you. Well, call me a celt and paint me blue. I did some research and what I read said that making an entire copy of a work, even for private use, could be potentially violation of copyright, so I did the responsible thing: I asked. :P - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation. perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:07:42 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Angst (was: Re: INS/MV vs IN) > > Steve Jackson's In Nomine may not be the original game, but in my >opinion, > > it's the game done right: A well defined background, a cosmic tone, a >sense > > of grandeur, characters which are clearly something else then human... >It's > > what a game of Angels and Demons should be like. > >I gotta side with this. I like In Nomine because it feels like you're >playing an angel or a demon, rather than someone's sarcastic teenaged >angsty >wet dream. Er, ;-) ??? A character is only as good as its player, man. And, frankly, In Nomine has plenty of room for this: can you say Malakite? or better yet, Djinn? I can see the Malakim as /terribly/ angsty, I mean, here you are, a dark angel (literally!) setting yourself up as one of those who serve as the last line of defense against most likely unending hoards of devils. You know you're better than they are, you're harder, stronger, and have more resolve, but you know that the battle will be an uphill one, one that you may not even survive when its goes Celestial. And Djinn?? Angst-city, man. I can't allow myself to care about anyone but to be cared for it /exactly/ what I want, but I can't allow myself to want, but I do, but, but, but . . . - -sigh- - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:07:24 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> IN/MS On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:43:53 "Perry Lloyd" writes: > ok, I'm tired of answering this question over an over again (not > that I have to, but I like answering it). Check out: > http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo/insmv/differences.html So... basically, the only thing IN and INS/MV has in common is the name, and dealing with angels and demons. So, why'd SJG bother licensing it again? - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:24:09 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> IN/MS You know, it's funny. Last summer I was in France, and I went into a game store. Surprisingly enough, most of the stuff was in English. I think the only French stuff were: INS/MV (and some supplements), translated D&D, and perhaps a couple of other stuff. Also surprising is that they had some IN stuff, in fact more IN then INS/MV! Perhaps it is just that store, but it seems kinda funny that a store in France would have more of the English version of the game then the French version. Perhaps the store is aimed more at tourists, or IN is better then INS/MV. I can't say myself, since I didn't buy the book, since my French is pretty crummy (I was tempted though). - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: Re: IN> IN/MS > > So... basically, the only thing IN and INS/MV has in common is > the name, and dealing with angels and demons. So, why'd SJG bother > licensing it again? > > --- > damienw[et]juno.com > "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - > Scott McCloud > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:35:29 -0800 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: IN>To Alter a Nation I just had this thought somewhere between playing Final Fantasy 8 and dozing off during the President's address. Tell me how you like it. :) - ------------------------------------------------- The plan was perfect, flawless. Alaemon stood in the shadows of an alley near Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., smiling to himself. One could not see it under the dark hood drawn over his strong-boned face, ostensibly to protect it from the rain that slicked his waxed black macintosh down. Out there, packing the White House lawn, were the newsvans where Servitors of the Media were mingling with the mortals to cover the inauguration of Jason Wentworth as the new President of the United States of America. What no one knew was that "Jason Wentworth" was really Gelis, Impudite Duke of Secrets, and the Conspiracy's latest manuever. As Jason was sworn in, Alaemon's smile turned to a grin that flashed all his teeth. Within a few moments, a Duke of Secrets would occupy the United States' highest position, and have access to the secrets of an entire nation. What a powerful Word-boost that would be! With Jason's choices for Cabinet, especially for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Supreme Court and various important positions, Secrets would be immensely boosted and able to garner secrets from other world governments. With this information, he could have Baal at his mercy, dependent upon Secrets for things necessary to forward The War. Perhaps Fate could be influenced as well, and he could see granting Gluttony, Greed, Drugs, and The Media a hand, in exchange for what he wished. Most importantly, this power would finally make Alaemon a Major Superior, enough to destroy the accursed Litheroy and to keep that bastard Gebbeleth at arms' length if he ever returned. Oh yes, this was a very good day indeed.... - ----------------------------------------- There you have it! :) Angelic PCs get the fun job of exposing and eliminating an Impudite who has infilitrated the highest levels of American society (especially fun for any of Revelation in your group). Demonic PCs have the option of exposing the Impudite, or working with him (gathering secrets on a Servitor of Secrets would be an ironic twist worthy of Dark Humor). Charles Smith. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:14:15 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> IN/MS >On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:43:53 "Perry Lloyd" >writes: > > ok, I'm tired of answering this question over an over again (not > > that I have to, but I like answering it). Check out: > > http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo/insmv/differences.html > > So... basically, the only thing IN and INS/MV has in common is >the name, and dealing with angels and demons. So, why'd SJG bother >licensing it again? Uhhh . . . because IN /does/ use a small number of the Superiors (and lifts many of the distinctions directly), and many Discords reflect INSMV Limitations . . . uh . . . Oh, and IN uses the same names for the majority of the Superiors from INSMV . . . and . . . uh . . . yeah. What else . . . ummmm . . . I dunno. I'm guessing that a single person got the idea, went wild with it and got more people involved and VOILA, In Nomine. Oh, I've updated the differences page again. I've added all the Superiors present in INSMV and not IN, it includes changes to Superior's words. (there /are/ a lot :) **** [...] Also surprising is that they had some IN >stuff, in fact more IN then INS/MV! Perhaps it is just that store, but it >seems kinda funny that a store in France would have more of the English >version of the game then the French version. Perhaps the store is aimed >more >at tourists, or IN is better then INS/MV. Well, considering that American is pretty much the current Empire, at least so far as France is concerned, it doesn't really surprise me that what you found would be the case. If you went into a video rental place, I believe that you'd find the a similar situation to be true with regard to movies. And IN is a lot less offensive than INSMV, non? - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:15 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: IN> Novalis and Blandine Archangels in Celestial form can look like humans, or have the form of their choir. What sorts of fantastic winged animals might the two Cherub Archangels, Novalis and Blandine, look like in choir form? - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:31:01 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine Hi i think that novalis has already been attributed with butterfly wings in one of the books, or maybe it was an online post. As for blandine, i think that she forgoes the whole wings thing, the only mentions i've seen oh her prefered form is 'the forlorn lady' look, you know the type, looking ever to the horizon, waiting for the loved one to return. >What sorts of fantastic winged animals might the two Cherub >Archangels, Novalis and Blandine, look like in choir form? Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:35:23 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> INS/MV vs IN (was : What to Cut) - Let's get DANGEROUS .. . > How About : > > Launchpad McQuack > Ofanite of Stone > Angel of Sidekicks > > Role/6 (Launchpad McQuack) (Well, since everybody is talking roles these > days, and Launchpad's been in every Duckberg related Disney toon yet) You bring out the worst in me. Huey, Dewey, and Louie Ofanim of the Wind "The world is like a hurricane...here in Duckburg." and let's not forget Uncle Scrooge, that dissonant Cherub of Trade.* :) Manny Neps * C'mon, it's either Greed or Trade...and only one is angelic. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:36:16 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine - -----Original Message----- From: John Dallman To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Cc: jgd@cix.co.uk Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:23 AM Subject: IN> Novalis and Blandine >Archangels in Celestial form can look like humans, or have the form of >their choir. What sorts of fantastic winged animals might the two Cherub >Archangels, Novalis and Blandine, look like in choir form? I have been thinking about that myself. I think Novalis' choir form resembles a winged Deer Doe; physically powerful, but visibly peaceful. As for Blandine, She's obviously a Unicorn. What other animal is so strongly linked with Dreams? On the Djinn side, I think Beleth resembles the Chimera, that monstrous beast of Greek Legend who's name is now synonymous with hallucinations, and that Asmodeus resembles a Cerberus-like Mastiff Hound in his own choir form. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:15:38 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> In> Demonic Roles Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > Krishnaswami, Neel wrote: > > > > Every paper would be in order, every witness would confirm them -- > > in the instant it chose who it would be. > > Was there any explanation of this? That is, was it an actual > alteration of history, or a mass diddling of records and memories, > or what? Could, say, a suitable seraphic resonnance see through it? I did this because I wanted each choir and band attunement to be a cool supernatural power rather than just some stuff. I never did find a good add-on for Kobal, though. The in-game rationale was that a demon of the Game understood at a deep level that everything was a social convention, and that with a great effort they could change it. History didn't change, but it was a mass diddling of records and a slight diddling of memories. It mostly kept people from asking inconvenient questions, and made them satisfied with inadequate answers. The model I used was the mysterious grand vizier appearing at the court. :) I never did get a good fix for the interaction of Roles and angelic resonances, though. I used the rule that a Role of level X would block angelic resonances with check digits up to X. So if a character had a Role/5, then any seraph or mercurian check digit of 5 or less would accept answers fitting the Role. This was kind of unsatisfying, though. I wanted Roles to be useful, but I also didn't want to have to lie when a Resonance kicked in. Obviously, this was most painful with the Seraph and Malak resonances. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:56:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Demonic Mindset There's probably a scale of emotional maturity recognized in Hell, where, at the lower end, you have demons that can't hold back on venting their Band-specific forms of evil in obvious and naked ways. These are kept in Hell or let loose on Earth only as minions of more mature demons. At the other end, probably on the other side of some kind of threshold, you have demons who can delay gratification, vent discreetly, and present a convincing false front; these can be let loose on Earth. Next notch up, they *enjoy* putting up the false front. Next notch up, they begin really throwing themselves into the false front ... at which point they begin to risk Redemption or at least going native. By the way, what does a Shedite do with its resonnance in Hell? Everyone's damned already; no one has bodies, so I don't think they can act as hosts. Similarly, what's the use of the Kyrio resonnance in Heaven? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:04:03 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> AD&D and In Nomine I begin to see why Eli bailed out of Heaven, what with every other Archangel trying to put their oar in. He should never have started asking for opinions. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:12:47 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine I always favored Novalis's original form as a bumblebee the size of a cart-horse, wreathed about with green and pink haloes. As for Blandine, yes a winged unicorn would be a good choice. A great white dog or wolf would reflect her wistful, devoted aspect, though canines don't convey the dignity I associate with her. Dove? Butterfly? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:15:12 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation OK, I'm going to run with the starting assumption that somehow Alaemon managed to finesse the fact that both Heaven & Hell make damn sure to check out both of the two major Presidential nominees (and Vice-Presidents, and Chiefs of Staff) for every election to make sure they're not celestials. So, assuming that Alaemon somehow finessed his way through all of that -- good job, Alaemon! -- we still have this... >There you have it! :) Angelic PCs get the fun job of exposing and >eliminating an Impudite who has infilitrated the highest levels of >American society (especially fun for any of Revelation in your group). >Demonic PCs have the option of exposing the Impudite, or working with him >(gathering secrets on a Servitor of Secrets would be an ironic twist >worthy of Dark Humor). No problem. Give an angel a Vessel that looks just like one of his normal Secret Service detail (one of the humans), and I'll have this little problem solved before November 12th. (While the personal security on the President is some of the most comprehensive and thorough in the world, and the President-elect's isn't far behind, it still isn't set up to deal with clone-doppelgangers. Even if you've got hulking Djinn bodyguards infiltrated in the same way... a Celestial keeping his head down can walk right by another one, at least for a couple of hours. They'll be damned confused when they find the *real* Secret Service guy drugged and tied up in his apartment, but hey -- the phony only has to show up for work *once*, and only for a couple of hours. And the original guy won't remember a damned thing. Heck, is there a Song where we can have this guy 'remembering' that he spent the whole day at work and nothing special happened? That way, *nobody* notices.) Two options -- a) The 'Secret Service agent', plus a large enough Reliquary to make sure he spends enough Essence to be *absolutely sure* of blowing a 6 on the check digit, to Sing Gelis' Vessel right into having a tragic stroke. Sad thing to lose a President even before his inauguration, but time and cerebral hemorrage wait for no man. What's the Song for that again? b) Agent + Reliquary + Celestial Song Of Motion = President-elect vanishing from middle of bathroom (it's about the only place where the President *isn't* standing within direct line of sight of more than one Secret Service agent at a time, and even a celestial masquerading as a human has to *pretend* to go to the bathroom at normal intervals) into the middle of the washroom to a warehouse where a hit squad of Malakim are waiting. And then they Sing a specially hand-picked and briefed Distincted Mercurian with vast political experience, and a look-alike "President Wentworth" Vessel, right back into the washroom where 'Jason' was originally standing. And the beauty of it is, Alaemon's already done all the work *for* me re: making sure that "Jason Wentworth's" past history, background, birth records, etc. are all in place and all correct. With one double-shuffle, Heaven can take Alaemon's coup'd'etat and reverse it to the point where *they* have the President-Elect of the United States, and all the power that implies. Sure, people will look funny at "Jason Wentworth's" suddenly changing his mind about a lot of his Cabinet appointees at the last minute, but some carefully outed scandals re: the original nominees will explain why that happened. After all, unlike mortal politicians, it's not like Heaven has to worry about retaining political viability for the next election, right? Did Alaemon remember to give "Jason Wentworth" a whole family? If so, that takes significantly more work on Heaven's part. Then again, a crash project of world-shaking strategic importance like this gets the personal attention of *several* Archangels, so we can assume that Heaven's resources on this one are "Sky's the limit" time. And while Alaemon is obviously paying full attention to this as well, there's only one of him -- and both between his Word and his planning to screw over his fellow Princes, he *can't* summon reinforcements. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:18:06 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Demonic Mindset >From: Earl Wajenberg > >By the way, what does a Shedite do with its resonnance in Hell? > Who needs a resonance when you have tentacles?? :) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:16:39 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Demonic Mindset - -----Original Message----- From: Earl Wajenberg To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: IN> Demonic Mindset >By the way, what does a Shedite do with its resonnance in Hell? >Everyone's damned already; no one has bodies, so I don't think >they can act as hosts. Similarly, what's the use of the Kyrio >resonnance in Heaven? Technically speaking, a Kyriotate's resonnance is for multiplicity, not domination. In Heaven, I wager the Kyrios spend their time doing a dozen or more things at once, such as talking with a Cherub of War while reading books in The Library, attending a party in The Vale and meditating in The Groves, for exemple. As for Shedites, the opposite of this attitude is total egotism. They spend their time focused on themselves. Look at Malphas and Saminga, for exemple. They're both so thoroughly egocentric, it's amazing they even notice other people at times. Their resonnances on Earth are merely reflections of those Celestial attitudes: Kyrios can "ride" multiple hosts, while Shedites focus on a single Host, shaping it's mind to their will, making them a reflection of themselves. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:48:35 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine Another good form for beleth would be the geiger alien, its not exactly a normal form, but i know i had real bad dreams when i saw that film. *shudders* Maybe that would be a good form for a demon formaly in service to media, now ist beleth... Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:40:35 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation >No problem. Give an angel a Vessel that looks just like one of his normal >Secret Service detail (one of the humans), and I'll have this little >problem solved before November 12th. Wait, I'm an idiot -- I completely forgot about Kyriotates. OK, I don't even *need* a Vessel that looks like one of the human Secret Service detail... I merely need one of the Detail. Incidentally, a note -- Kyriotates of Destiny are absolute Hell as intelligence-gatherers vs. human organizations, because they know everything that their possessed knows... and if they got ten or more Forces, they can be possessing a person in DC while another one in Cleveland spends 24 hours a day typing out everything that the first guy knows. One of these on any Secret Service agent in the inner detail while he's sitting at home, and I'll have encyclopedic knowledge of the who-what-where-when of "Jason Wentworth's" entire protective detail. Scheduling, positioning, doctrine, procedures, where the hidden cameras, are, everything. All of this and the stuff in my prior post, BTW, is probably why celestials (from either side, 'cause Shedim of the Game ain't no slouches either) *don't* usually try to play Presidential games. Then again, Alaemon does tend to overestimate his ability to keep things secret at times... *g* - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2085 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.