From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Feb 28 23:08:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12688 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:08:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA08077 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:11:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:11:43 -0600 Message-Id: <200103010511.XAA08077@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2087 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, February 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2087 In this digest: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN> Re: INS/MV vs IN -- a few quotes Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN>To Alter a Nation IN> How do I cancel this list? Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine Re: Re: IN> In> Demonic roles IN> Re: Jesus is just alright with me Re: IN> Re: Jesus is just alright with me Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN>To Alter a Nation Re: IN>To Alter a Nation IN> Jesus, AA of God (For you IN/MS fans) Re: IN> Jesus, AA of God (For you IN/MS fans) IN> February 24, 2001 (ML) IN> February 25 & 27, 2001 (ML) IN> February 26, 2001 (ML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:41:19 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation At 12:35 AM -0800 2/28/01, edenesque@juno.com wrote: >I just had this thought somewhere between playing Final Fantasy 8 and >dozing off during the President's address. Tell me how you like it. :) I like it, but I'd see Alaemon rather trying to do the same with a Cabinet member, or the White House secretary, or the President's cat.... This is *very* direct, for Alaemon. Direct makes him... nervous. But heck, have fun. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:43:07 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation At 4:40 PM -0500 2/28/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >All of this and the stuff in my prior post, BTW, is probably why >celestials (from either side, 'cause Shedim of the Game ain't no >slouches either) *don't* usually try to play Presidential games. >Then again, Alaemon does tend to overestimate his ability to keep >things secret at times... *g* Or so you think. (Never, ever underestimate the power of a reputation of incompetance, when your goal is to be left alone.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:55:46 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation >(Never, ever underestimate the power of a reputation of incompetance, >when your goal is to be left alone.) >-- Yes. :) :) :) This could be the motto of a character I have in a live role-playing game. May I use it as a sig? Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:59:00 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation At 3:52 PM -0600 2/28/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: >Of course, if any Demon Prince would overestimate his ability to do this and >keep it secret from all the others, it'd be Alaemon. *g* I'm not seeing this, to be honest. Lemmy's many things, but *over*confident isn't one of them. Really, the second he installed the Demon into place, he'd begin worrying about the President/Demon selling him out. Or the support staff he's got watching the President selling him out. Or the support staff he's got watching the support staff watching the President selling him out. He'd begin to panic over whether or not he *really* got away with this, or if Baal is just letting him get enough rope to hang him with, or Asmodeus is setting him up to take a fall, or if Kronos is trying to convince Lucifer to eliminate him. And of course, the Angels could know everything. That shoe hasn't fallen yet but it's falling, oh yes, he can hear it whistling as it heads to the floor, and then the other shoe will drop too, yes it will -- hm. The best plan might be to expose the Servitor/President now. We've gotten what we initially needed. Expose and discredit him, and then get an investigation going, and perhaps another Conspiritor can be moved into place to become the Special Prosecutor so that the flow of information can be controlled on the Corporeal side, though to be safe the entire support staff should be eliminated, but *quietly,* replacing them. Hm... the Support Staff are mostly members of the Revolution. Manuver the Gebbelites into making a hostile takeover and assume similar vessels and all the Roles involved. The Demon who's the President now is a Rosette, of course, but he's also feeding information to Bureau 19, so use that connection to draw him out, overextend his position. And then the human Vice President has daughters, and one of them isn't really his child -- that could be used to force him into a compromising position, couldn't it.... Overestimation doesn't enter into it. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:01:03 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation At 10:55 PM -0500 2/28/01, Janet Anderson wrote: >>(Never, ever underestimate the power of a reputation of incompetance, >>when your goal is to be left alone.) >>-- > >Yes. :) :) :) > >This could be the motto of a character I have in a live role-playing >game. May I use it as a sig? Please feel free. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:44:49 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Re: INS/MV vs IN -- a few quotes >Seriously, though, I believe it comes from a combination of foul language >and interpretations of religious themes that could cause the book to be >burned in public by the freaky American Religious Right. Okay, where did I leave a quote or two (all deficiencies in style my own fault) . . . (On Yves, Jesus, and Chez Regis - _Rigor Mortis_) Yves went to see Jesus. He knocked several times on the door, and decided to enter despite the absence of response and the dissonant noises that were coming through the door. Yves was at once assailed by a heavy smell of patchouli, which filled the untidy room. A Gibson Flying V on his knees, Jesus was in the middle of a psychedelic trip, and was listening to Jimi Hendrix (unedited) and John Lennon on his headphones. Yves had some trouble explaining what he wanted, as his eyes kept on straying to the posters of Janis Joplin in the nude which covered the walls, and he had to use his power of Divine Logic a number of times before the son of God spontaneously agreed with him. (Chez Regis is the pub on Earth that Jesus ends up running) "There is only one solution," says Emmanuel (who seems enchanted by the idea of toppling a powerful angel of Dominique): "you're going to have to pass yourself off as renegades, to be able to infiltrate the Suicide Solution." He continues, under the alarmed eyes of the PCs: "Therefore, from this moment on, you're all renegades. And as an angelic member of the Holy Inquisition, I formally accuse you of high treason against God the Father - I won't go into details for fear of boring you - and to speed things up, I add that I have just been the horrified witness of the collective rape which you will have undertaken, in precisely 34 seconds, of a fourteen-year-old nun, Sister Marie des Abeilles. You're a witness too, aren't you, Marie-Joseph?" He continues, without waiting for a reply: "I'm giving you five minutes lead, and I'll be sending a squad of angels of Laurent after you to make it look more realistic. Naturally they won't realise the full situation, and I'm afraid they'll be doing their best to kill you . . . Here's a card of the Security Society. You need only telephone them and say that you understand that they're looking into the disappearance of Serge Bayou, that you're renegades in danger of death, and that you need their help. We'll see what happens. Call me whenever you find out anything interesting. Right, synchronise watches. One, two, three . . ." (_Promotion Canopy_, an INS/MV scenario, or how to get volunteered) ROSWELL TEAM This team doesn't specialise in the creation of false futuristic items. It isn't composed of three members, nor is it headed by a demon codenamed Mulder, who definitely isn't a Grade 3 agent of Morax (who isn't even a Demon Prince, either.) It's ultra-secret, I'm telling you, and over-confidential: mega-top-security level, the Roswell Team -- doesn't exist. No, don't look for it, either. It doesn't keep itself busy with making false flying saucers appear over the skies of our Belgian friends, nor does it shear giant nipple shapes into the Nevada grass, nor does it stick stupified phosphorescent humanoids along the side of the highways (what do you mean, you haven't heard about the stupefied phosphorescent humanoids who piss around along the sides of highways?) and even less do the demons in it play with false-true-false stealth planes which the humans assume are UFOs, then decide are stealth planes, while the Americans have heart attacks because they know perfectly well that they're not stealth planes . . . In fact one shouldn't even talk about the Roswell division, because these demons who don't exist aren't doing anything, and it would be absolutely astonishing if they should happen to be working on a space station, codename Zaria, which won't be going up into space till next July, with prototypes of human clones which researchers across the world haven't yet created, or with synthetic brains which French politicians haven't had implanted via surgical intervention. So don't even think about using the Roswell team in your scenarios. (_Liber Daemonis_, INS/MV supplement with interesting ideas about teams working for particular Princes) The most exotic of these micro-universes (in Heaven) is the one that's vulgarly called, "the Pub". It's a room with vaulted ceilings, red leatherette armchairs, photos on the walls, and a bar where friendly humans serve all sorts of alcohol (yes, alcohol!) and especially beer. The bar spends its time moving magically (everything's magic in Heaven, or rather divine) around the city, never appearing twice in the same spot. There's a good reason for this; Dominique has decided that even the existence of this place is an insult to God, and has decided to destroy it when he catches up with it, and chastise all the guilty involved. He's working with Joseph, but however there are those who take offence at this, and given that Daniel literally camps among the armchairs in front of the dartboard, one can find angels from all Superiors there, and often even Archangels; plans are made and discarded there, and it's said that more decisions are taken there than in the Council Hall. (_Heaven & Hell_, INS/MV) (I believe these few paragraphs are legal under "fair use". Longer chunks wouldn't be, so apologies.) - --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:59:54 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation > I like it, but I'd see Alaemon rather trying to do the same with a > Cabinet member, or the White House secretary, or the President's > cat.... > > This is *very* direct, for Alaemon. Direct makes him... nervous. Naaah... indirect is when you spend decades having somebody work his way up the *career* side of the ladder in the State Department, to the point where he's one of the most senior (and most well-respected) people in the whole shop below the political appointee level. And then you make sure the current SecState drops dead of a stroke. Odds are the interim replacement is gonna be *who*? And there's always more ways to shave the odds... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:32:51 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation At 6:59 PM -0600 2/28/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >Naaah... indirect is when you spend decades having somebody work his way up >the *career* side of the ladder in the State Department, to the point where >he's one of the most senior (and most well-respected) people in the whole >shop below the political appointee level. > >And then you make sure the current SecState drops dead of a stroke. > >Odds are the interim replacement is gonna be *who*? Mmmmm... an excellent move in the Game. Whose M.O. this *far* more matches. Alaemon doesn't want to move people up the ladder in the State Department. He wants to have the confidential secretaries routing reports to his agents, preferably without knowing they're doing it? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:59:04 -0300 From: "Jorge Jabor" Subject: IN> How do I cancel this list? Please tell me how Thank you _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:10:24 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis and Blandine >I tend to picture Novalis as... a giant ladybug. (It's a predator!) But only against bugs that harm plants. ;^) Heh. Curious question; does she still have a pair of feathered angelic wings? What about a Cherub whose main form is "eagle?" >--emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor >RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:38:09 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: Re: IN> In> Demonic roles From: Elizabeth McCoy <> Probably one (or more) who got backlash on Emptiness, rolled 111 on the dissonance roll, but didn't Redeem. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:44:35 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Jesus is just alright with me >> Hey, any of you French-speaking INS/MV owners out there want to >> translate and adapt Jesus, AA of God for In Nomine? > > "DON'T DO THAT!" > > To do that is, basically, copyright violation of the French version, and > it's not allowed. (This is in the listrules.) > > So, well... Don't do it. You can do up a summery, describing what > he's like, but not a translation. Hmm ... "translate" was just a really bad choice of wording on my part. I realise that copying things verbatim is bad. That would be why Metallica and Earl Scruggs hate Napster. What I meant to say was "Wouldn't someone just love to take all the Jesus info from INS/MV and write up an IN-style Archangel _based_ on it? (In your own words, obviously)" It would save me the time of, say, learning French. I'd be even willing to trade services and translate anything you want from Chinese (and don't tell me you can just use Babelfish; that's a really bad idea for Asian languages; you end up with fortune cookie messages). Okay, so that's the real version of the message: legalized for your protection. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:10:20 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Jesus is just alright with me - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Walton" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:44 PM Subject: IN> Re: Jesus is just alright with me > What I meant to say was "Wouldn't someone just love to take all the Jesus > info from INS/MV and write up an IN-style Archangel _based_ on it? (In your > own words, obviously)" Moe, this has your name written all over it. :) - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 00:45:48 +0000 From: Pak Chan Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation At 15:15 28/02/2001 +0000, Charles Glasgow wrote: >OK, I'm going to run with the starting assumption that somehow Alaemon >managed to finesse the fact that both Heaven & Hell make damn sure to >check out both of the two major Presidential nominees (and >Vice-Presidents, and Chiefs of Staff) for every election to make sure >they're not celestials. Just out of interest, do you think that Heaven and Hell maintain this level of interest in the leadership elections (or coups) that occur in other countries? Some of them are just as significant (Russia), or at least will be in the future (China, India). In fact, given the recent history of it, I would suggest that Heaven and Hell regularly meddle in the closed world of the Japanese elections. (No, the elections are probably open and free; the candidate selection process is anything but, and the winners seem to turn out to be boneheads.) Pak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:40:39 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pak Chan" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation > Just out of interest, do you think that Heaven and Hell maintain this level > of interest in the leadership elections (or coups) that occur in other > countries? Probably. As much as their respective time-and-manpower budgets allow, at any rate. Precisely how much that is is a GM decision, of course. > Some of them are just as significant (Russia), or at least will > be in the future (China, India). Yup. That's the worldpolitik game as played by celestials -- how best to deploy limited beingpower in a world full of virtually unlimited possibilities for trouble. > In fact, given the recent history of it, I would suggest that Heaven and > Hell regularly meddle in the closed world of the Japanese elections. Cripes, I'm sure they meddle in US elections, too. It's just that they have to work indirectly, instead of using Mercurian/Impudite candidates. > (No, the elections are probably open and free; the candidate selection process > is anything but, [snip] A time-honored method of political chicanery, most certainly. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:43:09 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Glasgow" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: Re: IN>To Alter a Nation > Cripes, I'm sure they meddle in US elections, too. It's just that they > have to work indirectly, instead of using Mercurian/Impudite candidates. What am I saying? Why am I being so equivocal? Of *COURSE* Hell meddles in US elections! The media's "800-pound-gorilla" role in the modern electoral process is well-known, and the Media belongs to...? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:23:34 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Jesus, AA of God (For you IN/MS fans) Note that I have never read IN/MS but I imagine this is how the In Nomine Superior of Jesus would be like as a minister and a In fan. Jesus Archangel of God "Whoever does unto the least of my children does unto me." Well it was really just a normal day in Heaven; Dominic was filing his accumulated evidence of Eli and looking for threads that would prove him concretely guilty of abandoning his position, Novalis was throwing a garden party for some angry discordant celestials, and Laurence was conducting war games with his troops against Michaels in the grove and failing badly. It was then that Jacob's ladder opened up, the voice of God was heard around Heaven saying "Know this is my Son and that he speaks with my voice my servants." and everyone just stopped for about a minute even Janus. When everyone came to they discovered sitting in the Seraphim council chambers talking to a large ammount of relivers and soon to be fledged angels the long lost "prophet" and messiah Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus was also quite obviously the power level of an Archangel and pretty much everyone in Heaven decided not to question the voice they had heard as that of the Most High. Jesus quite calmly said that he had been in the Higher Heavens communing with his father for the past odd two thousand years but had decided that now was a good a time as any to return to help straighten things out here on Heaven and on Earth. You can imagine the stir this created both above and below. Well since that time Heaven has been slowly filling with Christ's "disciples", saints, and other servants as many Christian angels quite openly have been flocking from their Superiors to serve under the Prince of Peace (a title that has gotton some odd stares when used in Heaven). However Jesus in the end turns most of them away because quite frankly they arn't suitable for his service and most should find their destinies in God's hands with other servants of his. However a small number have indeed been accepted and taken up service in the Archangel of God's service. These angels hold a special place in Heaven and it is a very rare priviledge, Jesus has also created a number of angels to aid him in his service as well and they follow similar standards of behavior carefully outlined in the New Testament. The appearence of Jesus has also had a effect in Hell as many demons are quite upset given the Apcolypse didn't turn out well for them in the Revelations cycle and this is more proof that it isn't so much just the paper it's printed on but a few dim (or enlightened) demons believe the Angel of the Lord will prove a larger deterent to Heaven's effectiveness than a gain. Dissonance Angels of God have the uniquely quirky dissonance condition to "Love God with all your heart and soul" which means that they must ALWAYS put their own interests secondary to the Lord's when the occasion comes for it. This doesn't mean rest is impossible or enjoyment of life (though most would argue the Lord's work is it's own reward) it means however when the occasion calls for it that no angel may allow his own hatreds, greeds, sloths, or weariness interfere with his duty to further the cause of God as they see it. Choir Attunements Jesus's attunements are devoted to furthering understanding of the Lord's plan for each of us and helping us gain a greater appreciation of the unconditional love and forgiveness that is present in a Symphony that was once perfect and so shall someday become again. Seraphim Seraphim of Jesus can know instantly if a person's words about God stem from an honest love of the creator and a desire to spread his word or from some other deeper cause such as a need to make up for a past sin, promise, failure, or a desire (worse) for wealth, prestige, or personal bias to become prevalent. Cherubim A Cherub of God posseses far greater power to heal his attuned and instantly gain 1/ in each of the Song's of Healing though they must buy them up normally. Any healing song they perform immediately does twice as much as it normally would do towards healing a mortal, ethereal, or celestial if they are attuned to them. Elohim Elohim of God are the suffers of Jesus and have one of the most horrofic jobs in Heaven. The Powers however objectively know that the needs of the few are outweighed by the needs of the many and suffer in silence their attunement. A Elohim of God can once per day absorb the discord or dissonance of a single person and suffer it for them at which the end of 24 hours they will be healed of it and it will dissapear into the Symphony. Malakim Malakim of God as the uncorruptables have a much greater ability to withstand the stench of evil to deal with it in a manner that doesn't necessarily involve the rout of attempting to slaughter it as quickly as possible (something not all Malakim understand or even approve of) however they by their resonance may also be able to tell not only the most dishonorable and honorable action a person has taken but their reasons why and the events leading up to it. Ofanim Ofanim of God are Jesus's messangers and bringers of the Good News which he does not allow any force in God's creation to impede if he can help it. To that end a Ofanim if a way is quicker can ignore any natural element such as Stone, Water, Fire, or Wind if they are in the service of the Lord to do so (needless to say getting a pizza for the boy's probably does not usually qualify though charity IS a virtue...) Kyriorites The Dominators are Jesus's debaters and some of the most enlightened men in Heaven as they possess the ability when possesing a host to glean their understanding and feelings toward God and exactly why they have that perspective. These multiple viewpoints make them perhaps the fairest judges in Heaven save servants of Dominic if not necessarily always the rightest ones. Mercurians Mercurians of God possess the ability to look at a man and always know exactly everything about his faith and what relationships form the web of it with unfailing ammounts of accuracy. This ability requires considerable skill to put to it's full use but it aids immensley in providing background information to restoring a man's faith in the world and the greater plan of God. Servitor Attunements: Jesus as the Angel of the Lord posseses abilities that far outseed most of what Heaven imagines possible and that includes granting attunements that seemingly belong to other words and he may as the occasion permit grant so to his servitors abilities other superiors would not to an angel and even unique attunements depending on the circumstances but he is ALWAYS fair. The extent of this ability however is not yet known and any limits (if any) that exist. Transubstation Same as Eli Abracadabra Same as Eli Divine Logic Same as Yves Distinctions Vassal of God Vassals of God intuitively know the local religeous structures, taboos, and scriptures by heart and may quote them at leisure. He also knows the original intent of the scripture and how they have evolved since they're inception. Friend of Rebirth A Friend of Rebirth knows by looking into a man's heart what steps a person must take to redeem themselves Master of the Disciples Master of Disciples posess the ability to quite literally raise dead humans by sacraficing a Celestial force to bring them back from the dead (one for every 4 days dead). They will retain every memory they have of heaven, hell, or the marches but it cannot be used on the reincarnated. Relations As one might guess no one is directly opposing Jesus in Heaven among the Archangel's since his arrival as the majority of Heaven's superiors view his arrival as the will of the Lord and accept him as a brother and a giver of advice. Yves and he are especially close and despite the fact that jesus is solidly in the Peace Camp he and Michael get along very well as the Archangel of God has told Michael his limits and the Archangel of War has adjusted his battle strategies accordingly. Laurence is fairing unfortunately less effectively as he is having a bit of a crisis trying to deal with the fact he is a warrior angel in what is quite the reminder his religeon is one that desires death before bloodshed. It is little to Khalid's crisis however as Christianity has been quite concusively proven right and while that makes Muhammed no less of a prophet it is still a slap in the face. Allied: Eli, Michael, Novalis, Yves (Laurence is also allied to him) Associated: All of Heaven Hostile: No One (Khalid is Hostile though he does not mean to be) Basic Rites * Clear a House of God of corruption * Spend an hour preaching the word of God to a interested crowd * Suffer in some meaningful way for your faith * Set a soul on the path of God who wasn't (+2) Chance of Invocation: 4 +1 Share in the Eucharist +2 A act of charity in which no reward is expected +3 A sincere pennitant humbling themselves before the Lord +4 A man giving away all his wordly posessions for a greater glory +5 A dire enemy forgiving another +6 A man matyred rather than renounce God ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:01:08 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Jesus, AA of God (For you IN/MS fans) Interesting write up. Since I prefer somewhat backwards IN, and incorporating Chick dogma into my campaigns, I like Kronos as Jesus after Lucifer convinced him of God's true nature. It created a priceless look on the faces of the players when they found that bit out. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> February 24, 2001 (ML) I'm back... Yeah, I was actually 'away' in the first place. Judging from the five billion digests I still have to plow through, I've missed a bit. Oh, well, something to do when I should be working. :) Moe Sergius Grey Mummy Sorcerer Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 5 Agility: 3 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 5 Precision: 3 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 7 Perception: 5 Toughness/1 Skills: Alchemy/6, Artistry/2 (writing), Emote/5, Enchantment/6, Fighting/2, Knowledge (History/3, Research/4, Sorcery/6), Languages (English/3, Greek/3, Latin/3*), Large Weapon/2 (sword), Lying/4 Sorcerous Rituals: Banish/5, Command/2 (Suggest, Command Minor Ethereal Spirit), Exorcism/4 (all), Focus/3 (Protective Ward, Sacrifice for Essence, Store Essence), Summoning/1 (Summon Random Ethereal Spirit) Songs: Healing (Corporeal/3), Entropy (Ethereal/3), Light (Celestial/5), Motion (Ethereal/2, Celestial/1), Shields (Corporeal/3), Unlife/3 Attunement: Sorcery Sergius may be the oldest mummy in existence. If true, this fact does not please him: he's enough of a target as it is. Sergius would be extremely happy to be completely forgotten. Well, he wouldn't be 'really' happy, but his mental outlook would improve, so it's close enough. Once upon a time, Sergius was human - and, by his own later analysis, a total and complete idiot. Only an idiot, after all, would actually host a party on a holiday celebrating the old Roman Republic in Emperor Caligula's Rome. Only a complete idiot would actually intimate that the date was chosen deliberately. And only a total and complete idiot would get drunk and howl bad satirical poetry at said Emperor's expense. Of _course_ he ended up on a cross - and him of the patrician class, no less. But then, Caligula wasn't exactly tolerant of old rights and customs. Anyway, Sergius was near death when an enigmatic figure came up to him, casually rendered his 'guard' unconscious with a wave of the hand, and politely asked the delirious patrician precisely how badly he wanted to live. Would existence be worth a certain … distance and detachment? Would it be worth the cessation of pleasure, as well as pain? The figure had no doubt continued his pitch after that, but it was wasted: Sergius was too busy croaking out his acceptance the second he heard 'the cessation of pain' bit. Getting him off the cross was tricky: the figure did some sort of odd ritual around the crucified man. The patrician could feel everything go - not gray, colors were still there - 'dull' may be the best adjective. The sorcerer then somehow froze him with a look, tucked something into his mouth and walked off. Sergius got to watch, apparently dead, as the guards woke up, determined that he was glassy eyed and had no pulse, idly stabbed him a couple times to check for a reaction and finally decided that they had a corpse on their hands. They threw him into a ditch and dumped some dirt on him (no cremation, by order of the Emperor). Then they no doubt went off to enjoy the rest of their lives. Eventually, the paralysis wore off. Sergius scrabbled up out of the muddy ditch. In the process, he swallowed the thing tucked into his mouth and soon discovered that he didn’t have two broken legs or any cuts anymore. That was the last thing that his 'benefactor' did for him - the mummy certainly hasn't seen him since. This would infuriate Sergius, except that he has difficulty feeling things anymore. Being a mummy who doesn't know his limitations, doesn't know about the War, has no supernatural abilities (except for an apparent talent for Sorcery) and damn few natural ones isn't fun. Sergius pretty much had to wait out the next ten years in a cave, bored out his mind (Undead have no problems with feeling that emotion). From there, it took half a century before he could find someone with the right kind of esoteric knowledge. It took several centuries of patient effort to acquire sufficient abilities to make him feel relatively safe about being out in public, and about half a millennium more before he had his routine down pat. Sergius is a firm believer in the 'slow but steady' method of personal development. He's got plenty of free time, after all. Sergius has never chosen a side in the War. From his point of view, the entire concept of monotheism is a bad joke, and he's never quite figured out just what the attraction of it is for some people. As for Heaven and Hell, well, demons are bloodthirsty swine ready to enslave anyone they come into contact with and angels are bloodthirsty swine who seem to enjoy killing for its own sake. And, of course, neither side likes the idea of unaligned sorcerers. The prudent man - well, mummy - would be well advised to avoid both sides. Personally, Sergius isn't very interesting. Unlike many mummies, he doesn't despise the humans that he's using for cover: he has difficulty mustering up the emotional energy necessary for hatred. By now, he's a fairly powerful sorcerer and better alchemist, but whatever interests that he might have is bound up with seeing if there's a cure for this condition he's got. Everyone he's met who was in the know says that there isn't, but, really, what else does he have to do with his time? Encountering him would be a little difficult: getting him to do anything for someone, once found, would be a little trickier. Bribery (in the form of Undead lore) would work: so would threats, but it'd only work once (Sergius is very good at dropping everything and running away when he has to). Careful cultivation, however, might result in a reliable source of alchemical potions, specialized information and low-grade artifacts, which is nothing to sneeze at. Sergius, incidentally, does have one other interest: he'd like to find out who, or what, turned him into a mummy all those years ago. Frankly, he could never figure out why the sorcerer bothered, and it nags him. Well, as much as anything can. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/19/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:04:19 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> February 25 & 27, 2001 (ML) Let me reiterate: these won't work for everybody's games. I think that I'll be adding to them, BTW. Moe Ritual-based Attunements (Cost: 5pt) These can only be taken by sincerely believing mortals (which do not, in this context, include Undead and/or Saints). They can either be bought at the beginning of play, or else earned through scrupulous roleplaying (as defined by the GM). No person may have more than one at any given time, and will lose all benefits if they do not follow the dictates of their particular faith (also defined by the GM). It should be understood that these Attunements are not suitable for all campaigns: they work under the assumption that following religious rituals can give some sort of corporeal benefit. This, of course, is not necessarily the case. This is hardly a complete list: any faith may produce a Ritual Attunement (not just 'divine' religions). Hajj (Muslim) The character has performed the pilgrimage to Mecca, in the proper style and sincerity. The journey has taught him or her much about the universal message and appeal of Islam, and has left him or her with a deeper understanding of the Book. Once the Hajj is complete, the character ignores all (negative) appearance-based reaction modifiers of fellow Muslims, and gains a +2 to the CD to any Knowledge roll concerning Islam. Fellow Muslims will also react at a +2 to the pilgrim, if they know that he has made the Hajj. Fasting (Catholic) This is the pre-Vatican II version, complete with meatless Fridays and attendance at services for every single day of Lent, culminating with vigil and prayer from Good Friday to Easter. By meditating on the Passion of Christ, the character acquires a certain amount of serenity and inner peace (translation: +1 to the CD of a Meditation roll, +2 to Will rolls (but not Will-based skills), and an extra +1 to any attempt to possess the character). ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/19/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> February 26, 2001 (ML) Not much to say. It's a Discord. Moe Charitable (Ethereal) You just can't help being helpful to others, especially the less unfortunate (which, for celestials, pretty much means most of humanity). You must make a Will Roll +2, minus the level of this Discord, to avoid aiding someone who looks like that they need some help: overt requests for aid are resisted at -2. If you fail, you must help in any way that you can. This can be anything from handing over all your spare change to spending Essence freely, depending on the check digit of the failed Will Roll. On the bright side, a natural Divine Intervention on the Will Roll means that the person's major problem is solved on the spot, and you get 1 Essence in the bargain (this is true even for demons, oddly enough). Reaction modifiers: -3 per level from demons, -1 from angels (yes, we're supposed to help humans, but did you _really_ have to switch clothing with that guy, plus hand over all of our operating funds?). Servitors of Greed (and, in some campaigns, Servitors of Trade) and (non-Bright) Lilim must include their level of this Discord when making dissonance rolls! ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 02/19/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2087 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.