From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Mar 11 03:07:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20284 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:07:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id DAA19283 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:09:40 -0600 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:09:40 -0600 Message-Id: <200103110909.DAA19283@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2102 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, March 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2102 In this digest: Re: IN> Cleaning out the Unfinished Stuff Directory Re: IN> Please, no bashing! Re: IN> In Nomine-Paranoid Re: IN> Had a thought. Re: IN> Had a thought. IN> Re:Wendigo IN> Macho Women With Guns Re: IN> Macho Women With Guns Re: IN> Please, no bashing! IN> Name Roots Re: IN> Name Roots Re: IN> Please, no bashing! Re: IN> Name Roots Re: IN> Playing With Lightning, Part II Re: IN> Name Roots Re: IN> Name Roots IN> Sparkies/Jeanites/Whatever (Re: Had a thought.) Re: IN> Cleaning out the Unfinished Stuff Directory IN> [ADMIN STOMP] Munchkins (Re: My "Munchkin Magnet" theory) Re: IN> Playing with Lightning, part I Re: IN> Playing with Lightning, part I Re: IN> Playing with Lightning, part I Re: IN> Name Roots Re: IN> The Bolts ("Not Science. Lightning.") Re: IN> Sparkies/Jeanites/Whatever (Re: Had a thought.) Re: IN> Name Roots IN> Players Wanted: Online IRC Game Re: IN> Players Wanted: Online IRC Game Re: IN> Name Roots etc. Re: IN> Name Roots etc. Re: IN> Name Roots etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:28:42 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Cleaning out the Unfinished Stuff Directory - --On Thursday, March 8, 2001 10:57 PM +0000 Janet Anderson wrote: >> If Hell ever captures Francis, they'll tear him apart >> limb from limb - or, worse, try to use him as a >> hostage. > > Why doesn't she spread the news on the street that the two of them > have broken up? (Come to think of it, how do demons hear about > things like this anyway -- the "Angels" section of *People*?) > This wouldn't lessen his value to the Infernal side any; deep information on Jaymiel's organization is still locked up in his mind. In fact, by implying that he's no longer under her scope of protection as such, it makes him a more tempting target for an "unwilling extraction." Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Episode 7 - Love and the Young Executive*) *Bonus points for this particular trivia reference. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:35:53 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Please, no bashing! - --On Thursday, March 8, 2001 3:36 PM -0800 Sean McCarthy wrote: > Feng Shui, D&D, Vampire, Macho Women With Guns... > > Just say no to bashing other game systems. It only starts flame > wars. > > Sean > You *had* to mention MWWG, didn't you. There's an alternate universe for you. All Malakim, ever, have fledged with female traits. And they're all sporting an Angry/1 discord.... Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation "Can't we talk about his?" "No." - Pilot Episode, CBS's "Gunned Down By An Angel" Yes, it still stars Roma Downey. Cope. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:44:00 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine-Paranoid - --On Thursday, March 8, 2001 11:10 PM -0500 Charles Phipps wrote: > > Thus the fun of In Nomine> Paranoid > Charles, I hope you're happy. I can't breathe. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("We're sorry, all of our neurons are busy. Please leave your thought at the tone...") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:47:22 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Had a thought. - --On Thursday, March 8, 2001 3:57 PM -0600 Prodigal wrote: > From: "Elizabeth McCoy" >> >> Consider the Lilim.... > > They toil not, neither do they spin... > And yet, they do seem to gyrate a great deal. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:49:59 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Had a thought. - --On Thursday, March 8, 2001 2:42 PM -0800 Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Maurice Lane wrote: >> Is there a canonical (or just common usage) designator >> for Jean's stuff? You know, the Heavenly version of >> Vaputech. > > > I assume "Jeantech" is too obvious. How about "Jeantronics," > "Lightningtech," "Stormtech" or "Sparktech" (I like that last, > it's catchy)? > I suppose "Gizmonics Institute" is out of the question? (Copyright aside) Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Tell me, what size jumpsuit do you wear?") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:58:54 -0600 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: IN> Re:Wendigo I'm not anyway near sorting out my own webpage yet, so I'd be honoured if you wanted to put them up Moe. I'll have a re-write over the weekend and send it on to you again. >Michael Walton wrote: > I shudder to think what inspired this. Nice work, though. By an odd coincidence, the thing which really inspired them (other than Moe), was the Ron Spencer ill. of a Wendigo from Dealands, as Glenn is writing up as we speak... Spooky. Cthulhu _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:11:19 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Macho Women With Guns > You *had* to mention MWWG, didn't you. > > There's an alternate universe for you. All Malakim, ever, have >fledged with female traits. And they're all sporting an Angry/1 >discord.... > Are the guns optional, or would that mean Stone doesn't have any Malakite Servitors? Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:39:45 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Macho Women With Guns - --On Friday, March 9, 2001 2:11 PM +0000 Janet Anderson wrote: >> You *had* to mention MWWG, didn't you. >> >> There's an alternate universe for you. All Malakim, ever, have >> fledged with female traits. And they're all sporting an Angry/1 >> discord.... >> > > Are the guns optional, or would that mean Stone doesn't have any > Malakite Servitors? > I imagine the guns would be optional. (I'd forgotten Stone's dissonance conditions) Or, if some Malakim did flage "male", they're *all* in service to Stone because, frankly, the Girls with Guns would scare them. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Wife's a gun nut. I have a basis for this.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: Re: IN> Please, no bashing! > No, they precipitate whenever one person says "X sucks" and someone else > happens to like X. I hate In Nomine. I think it's a dorky game, and the developers smell. And they're funny looking, too! :) Now, if there was Cute And Fuzzy Cockfighting In Nomine, then there would be something, and it would be the kewlest game in the whole wide world! (Sorry, joking. It's been a really long week.) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emily K. Dresner-Thornber -- http://www.nodonut.com/zenith Cute and Fuzzy Freelance Writer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:32:09 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Name Roots The thread on what to call Jean's technology reminded me of something I'd thought about to myself a while back -- if you translate the names of the Archangels back to their meanings, you get some odd and interesting matches. Here they are, with some of them admittedly wrenched a little: White, Archangel of Dreams Beloved, Archangel of Stone Lord's, Archangel of Judgement High, Archangel of Creation Strength, Archangel of Fire Edge, Archangel of Wind Gift, Archangel of Lightning Earthling, Archangel of Animals Laurel, Archangel of the Sword Warrior, Archangel of Trade Godly, Archangel of War New, Archangel of Flowers Archer, Archangel of Destiny I can't do the same with the Demon Princes because I sure can't look their names up in the "name the baby" books. ("I dunno, he looks like a Haagenti to *me*...") Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:16:00 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots I've always thought that David should be called Peter ("the Rock"). I know that that is one of his alternative names, but it still should be the main name, I think. For some other archangels past and present: Light/Fire of God, archangel of purity Son of the Morning, archangel of light Healing hands of God, archangel of knowledge Righteousness of God, archangel of protection Here are some demon princes: Creature of Judgment, demon prince of the game Lord, demon prince of the war Wealth, demon prince of greed Worthless, Has no Master, or Despised by God, demon prince of fire >From: Earl Wajenberg >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Name Roots >Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:32:09 -0500 > >The thread on what to call Jean's technology reminded me of >something I'd thought about to myself a while back -- if you >translate the names of the Archangels back to their meanings, >you get some odd and interesting matches. Here they are, with >some of them admittedly wrenched a little: > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:28:00 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Please, no bashing! From: "Emily Dresner-Thornber" > > Now, if there was Cute And Fuzzy Cockfighting In Nomine, then > there would be something, and it would be the kewlest game in the > whole wide world! I saw the version of that without the "cockfighting" part at my local game store, and thought first "Em scares me sometimes," then "But I *REALLY* wish I could play in a BESM game of hers." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:46:47 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots At 10:32 AM -0500 3/9/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Lord's, Archangel of Judgement You know, of all the people in this world I thought Dominic might be, Madonna's first baby just wasn't one of them. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:45:19 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Playing With Lightning, Part II Maurice Lane wrote: > Anyway, thanks to Earl for "Revelations and > Development". I will be gleefully stealing this one > from now on. Glad you and Michael liked it. > Computer > These things are also in hot demand, partially because > you can take them anywhere. The computer usually > looks like a standard-size towel: Surely it includes an on-line library with DON'T PANIC written in large friendly letters on the opening page? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:06:26 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots - -----Original Message----- From: Whistling in the Dark To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Cc: Earl Wajenberg Date: Friday, March 09, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots >At 10:32 AM -0500 3/9/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >>Lord's, Archangel of Judgement > >You know, of all the people in this world I thought Dominic might be, >Madonna's first baby just wasn't one of them. No, that's Lourdes, after the famous holy spring. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:14:38 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots At 4:06 PM -0500 3/9/01, Rolland Therrien wrote: > >At 10:32 AM -0500 3/9/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >>>Lord's, Archangel of Judgement >> >>You know, of all the people in this world I thought Dominic might be, >>Madonna's first baby just wasn't one of them. > >No, that's Lourdes, after the famous holy spring. Well, yes. Never, ever, let facts stand in the way of a stupid pun. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:48:10 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Sparkies/Jeanites/Whatever (Re: Had a thought.) At 4:57 PM -0500 3/8/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> sure that he will go to calling them Jeanites,[...] > >"Johanines"? (Pronounced "YO-ha-neenz.") This is the traditional >adjective form for "John" ( = "Jean") in English. > >'Course, back on the flip side, this invites calling them >Jeanies or Johnnies. Jeanies in a Bottle? At 10:06 PM -0500 3/8/01, Jo Hart wrote: >Sparky is also local slang for an electrical engineer (like Bones is for a >doctor.) Oh, _cool_! Parallel evolution, it's gotta be, but if it's local slang that's _so_ appropriate... - --Beth, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, arcangel@io.com 1 MMorganLP. Oooo! http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:51:30 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Cleaning out the Unfinished Stuff Directory At 10:57 PM -0500 3/8/01, Janet Anderson wrote: >Why doesn't she spread the news on the street that the two of them have >broken up? (Come to think of it, how do demons hear about things like this >anyway -- the "Angels" section of *People*?) One does wonder. I generally attribute some of this to: A: Falls and redemptions. Both sides gossip, and then the side-swappers get debriefed, and it gets gossiped all over _that_ side. This does take time. B: Servitors of Litheroy. I mean, if you're a demon, it is so totally in your best interests to find a Servitor of Litheroy (preferably someone like a Cherub or Ofanite, who isn't likely to figure things out if you have a high enough Lying skill), and cultivate it for a friend. It will then Tell You Anything You Ask, because Revelation is like that. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:54:15 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN STOMP] Munchkins (Re: My "Munchkin Magnet" theory) At 11:59 AM +1300 3/9/01, Alex Liddell wrote: [A lot of stuff on general gaming, with no In Nomine content at all] Nice topic. But it's not relevant to In Nomine in specific. It needs to go somewhere else. Pyramid (for only $15 a year: www.sjgames.com/pyramid) has a .roleplaying discussion board, and there's always rec.games.frp.misc or whatever it's been called these days... Re-titling the thread about IN-othergame crossovers and continuing that is fine, though. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Playing with Lightning, part I Moe wrote: > Beta Test (Variable Cost) > > This Attunement doesn't directly give any special > abilities: it's merely a formal indication that Jean > thinks that you can be trusted to play with his > gadgets. The subtext of this, of course, is that they hope you will find the situations where your new toys don't work and will survive to report on what went wrong. Never assume anything you get through this programme is actually reliable. If you happen to be capable of explaining exactly how the gadget went wrong and making it happen again, reliably, you will acquire the MkII version of the attunement, where they keep on thrusting stuff on you to test, to slightly beyond the point when everything you use is beta and you have a hard time getting coffee made reliably. Oh, and of course, the Vapulan version is cheaper. Well, it certainly /ought/ to be, given what you get from it. - --- John "It's been a hard week in the C compiler testing cell" Dallman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:40:37 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Playing with Lightning, part I From: "John Dallman" Moe wrote: > Beta Test (Variable Cost) > > This Attunement doesn't directly give any special > abilities: it's merely a formal indication that Jean > thinks that you can be trusted to play with his > gadgets. <> At least, that's how it works in a dark low-contrast game, where the main difference between Jean and Vapula is that Jean's laboratories are cleaner. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:01:47 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Playing with Lightning, part I > >Oh, and of course, the Vapulan version is cheaper. Well, it certainly >/ought/ to be, given what you get from it. > No, the Vapulan version is called "An Urgent Memo from Marketing" and it lets the user order other victims to do Beta Testing. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots If you go back to the original language, Michael actually comes out as the question, "Who is like the Lord?" I have some motivation for having researched this... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:26:07 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Bolts ("Not Science. Lightning.") I like these guys, William. Too often we forget that Lightning was Jean's word before there was such a thing as technology. An interesting aside -- lightning is a powerful destructive force when it's unleashed. This makes it a problematic Word for an Elohite; the elemental force of nature would have to be managed as carefully as a Power's emotions or there'd be Hell to pay. The "taming" of electricity by science was probably a great relief to Jean. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:36 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Sparkies/Jeanites/Whatever (Re: Had a thought.) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 10:06 PM -0500 3/8/01, Jo Hart wrote: > >Sparky is also local slang for an electrical engineer (like Bones is > >for a doctor.) > > Oh, _cool_! Parallel evolution, it's gotta be, but if it's local slang > that's _so_ appropriate... There are plenty of variations on this: a "Chippie" is slang for a carpenter in Britain (also "brickie" for a bricklayer and "squaddie" for a private in the army). "Sparkie" would be an electrical fitter and "Sparks" is old-fashioned slang for a radio operator. I think the latter dates back to pre-WWI naval radio, which involved a spark-gap with about 10,000 volts across it. Given the humidity at sea, "Sparks" wasn't an honoury title. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:14:53 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots >From: Michael Walton >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots >Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:30:29 -0800 (PST) > > If you go back to the original language, Michael actually >comes out as the question, "Who is like the Lord?" I have some >motivation for having researched this... (sigh) I lose count of how many times this has come up. Isn't it in the list FAQ or something? Yes, Michael is the Hebrew for "Who is like God?" jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:22:21 -0500 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: IN> Players Wanted: Online IRC Game Hello People, Would anyone be interested in playing in a online In Nomine. Bright, low contrast. Once a week, on a date agreed upon by the players. 4 hours a session. Late night eastern time. Co-GM appreciated. Please contact. Daniel Demon Prince of Lurkers "I see the world but it rarely sees me." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:38:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Players Wanted: Online IRC Game On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Daniel Gallagher wrote: > Hello People, > > Would anyone be interested in playing in a online In Nomine. Bright, low > contrast. Once a week, on a date agreed upon by the players. 4 hours a > session. Late night eastern time. Co-GM appreciated. Please contact. What's the campaign concept? (I.e., what's the game gonna be like?) > Daniel > Demon Prince of Lurkers You're dissonant. :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Anything sounds profound if you put it in quotation marks and sign it Anonymous." -- Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:13:31 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots etc. At 08:16 AM 3/9/01 -0800, you wrote: >Son of the Morning, archangel of light What name for Lucifer are you using here? Lucifer is a straight Latin/Greek derivation, and is literally "Lightbringer"; Morningstar is an English invention (Milton, I think). ObIN: Lucifer is associated with the star of morning because it precedes the Sun into the sky, drawing the light back into the world of man. The name "star of morning" is actually most often associated with the planet Venus. The seed? There's a reason Lucifer isn't seen very often any more; the Song of Projection has a very limited duration when you have to use it over a range of millions of miles. It's odd that of all the Princes, Vapula and Beleth are the ones who have figured out what's going on. Vapula, of course, has told Nybbas, who's delighted at the media opportunities that a mission to Venus will entail; Beleth loved the shattering of dreams when people realized that Venus was far from a tropical paradise, and Vapula himself is obsessed with designing machinery that will survive the heat and pressure on the surface. Guess what part the PCs get to play in Operation Bring Him Home. This works for both demonic and angelic PCs, as well as a mixed group. Demonic PCs are generally going to be servitors of the three mentioned Princes, although others (Baal, Belial, Valefor) might work. Angels, on the other hand, have either been shanghaied into the project or have volunteered, hoping that the appearance of angels to save Lucifer might make him see the errors of his ways. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:51:01 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots etc. I'm going by the King James's Bible, which if I remeber correctly said of King Nebechannezer (I know I spelled the name wrong): "How you have fallen, Oh Son of the Morning." Due to a misreading of it, people mistook that for a description of Satan, and so applied the name Lucifer to Satan. >From: EDG >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots etc. >Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:13:31 -0500 > >At 08:16 AM 3/9/01 -0800, you wrote: > >>Son of the Morning, archangel of light > >What name for Lucifer are you using here? Lucifer is a straight >Latin/Greek derivation, and is literally "Lightbringer"; Morningstar is an >English invention (Milton, I think). > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:58:10 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Name Roots etc. At 01:51 AM 3/10/01 -0800, you wrote: >I'm going by the King James's Bible, which if I remeber correctly said of >King Nebechannezer (I know I spelled the name wrong): "How you have >fallen, Oh Son of the Morning." Due to a misreading of it, people mistook >that for a description of Satan, and so applied the name Lucifer to Satan. Nebuchadnezzar. One of the coolest names in the Bible. :) Although his reference to the Son of the Morning simply refers to Lucifer (according to the misreaders), rather than naming him directly. (Interesting factoid: look up "Who was King Nebuchadnezzar?" on www.ask.com (I don't have my Bible handy, and don't remember details) and the first response you'll get is "How do I choose a wine glass?".) ObIN: The Song of Kings The corporeal version of this Song was discovered milennia ago by a servitor of Judgment whose name has long since been forgotten; it is an irony befitting the nature of the Song that it was an Infernal using the Song of Kings who destroyed said servitor. While it cannot be said that both sides have not benefitted from the use of the Song, it is certainly accurate to say that Heaven makes more frequent use of it. The Corporeal and Ethereal forms of the Song of Kings always target the user of the Song; the celestial Song (almost) always targets someone other than the user. Additionally, the servitor who discovered the Song had a wry streak; each version has its own name. The Wrath of Kings When the Corporeal Song of Kings - otherwise known as the Wrath of Kings (or simply "the Wrath") - is performed, the user gains a bonus to Strength - -and- Agility equal to the check digit of the Song roll. This bonus only applies, however, if the user is doing something which she feels is righteous. The effects of this song last for (CD) minutes, with the bonus dropping by one for every minute that passes. Degree of Disturbance: the user's Corporeal Forces Essence Cost: 1 Range: Self The Cunning of Kings The Ethereal Song of Kings - also known as "the Cunning of Kings" or "the Cunning", actually a slight misnomer - grants the user the ability to add the check digit of the Song roll as a bonus to any roll made during the duration that involves an Intelligence- or Precision-based skill. This bonus does -not- apply if the user is rolling straight Intelligence or Precision. Like the Corporeal Song, this Song lasts for (CD) minutes, with its effects diminishing with every minute that passes. Degree of Disturbance: the user's Ethereal Forces Essence Cost: 1 Range: Self The Madness of Kings The Celestial Song of Kings - also "the Madness of Kings" or "the Madness" - - allows the user to inflict derangement upon the target. This derangement is based on the check digit of the roll, and can range anywhere from mild ("bushes can burn without being consumed") to severe ("I'm a cow and must live in the fields and eat grass"). The target can make a Will roll to resist, but must subtract the check digit of the Song roll from the target number. If the Song is successful, it lasts a number of -days- equal to 8 minus the check digit, and its effects do not diminish until the last day, at which point they gradually lessen over the course of the day. There -is- a positive effect to the Madness of Kings, however. If the target of the Madness is killed while under its influence, and is a celestial, he can reduce his time in Trauma by the number of days during which he would have been under the Song's influence. This is the sole reason why celestials use this Song on themselves (with the exception of the really weird demons), although Malakim see little use for self-application of this Song, naturally. Degree of Disturbance: the user's Celestial Forces multiplied by the Check Digit Essence Cost: 2 Range: Line of sight (must be in person) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2102 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.