From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Mar 16 16:17:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03260 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:17:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA03057 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:23:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:23:01 -0600 Message-Id: <200103162223.QAA03057@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2108 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, March 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2108 In this digest: Re: IN> The Perfect Mate IN> Book of Enoch URL IN> The angel of Hawaiian shirts Re: IN> Celestial Reporting Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) IN> STAMP OUT ANGELIC LIES A response to Calabrakis by the Habbalite Angel Hypocritical Re: IN> STAMP OUT ANGELIC LIES A response to Calabrakis by the Habbalite Angel Hypocritical Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> The Perfect Mate Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> The angel of Hawaiian shirts2107 Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> What I want to see next (Was Cleaning out... whatever) Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) Re: IN> What I want to see next (Was Cleaning out... whatever) Re: IN> What I want to see next (Was Cleaning out... whatever) IN> "wuxia"? Re: IN> "wuxia"? IN> Oannes Writup Posted Re: IN> "wuxia"? Re: IN> "wuxia"? Re: IN> "wuxia"? Re: IN> "wuxia"? Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) IN> Re: Working with Animals Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Re: Working with Animals Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Jordi Re: IN> "wuxia"? RE: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) IN> Add-on to Jordi comment Re: IN> STAMP OUT ANGELIC LIES A response to Calabrakis by the Habbalite Angel Hypocritical Re: IN> The Perfect Mate Re: IN> Celestial Reporting Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> "wuxia"? Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:13:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Perfect Mate Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> The Perfect Mate >Um... jeez.Could you BE any darker? >This is macabre. This makes Moe look consistently >happy and shiny. I BEG your pardon. I am one of the happiest and shiniest posters to this list. I Redeemed _Haagenti_, _Malphas_ and _Saminga_, fer cry out loud. I created the Demon Prince of Cows and the Demon Princess of Goth Wannabes. I've written up Kermit T. Frog, Elvis and Gojira, and provided Songs that let people turn into fish. Geez, line edit _one_ little net.book where Michael and Yves are dead and the entire universe is being slowly shredded into nothingness, and all of a sudden you get a reputation for being brooding and dark.* ;) >I like it. :) So did I. The Angel of Hawaiian Shirts was pretty cool, too. :) Moe *OK, I admit that the blackwing Novalis (with extra psychopathic Tsayadim on the side) was a little bleak. And Abraham's Knife. And the entire Croatoan thing. But that's about _it_. Well, except for Grendel... I should stop now. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Book of Enoch URL http://www.bible2000.org/lostbooks/enoch1.htm God bless Ken Hite. I'm scribbling already. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:34:03 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The angel of Hawaiian shirts In Anime...hehe....it was inspired by the name given in Quentin Tarintino meets Cuteness....otherwise just out of my twisted imagination. He's not as weak as Michael says. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:17:20 -0800 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Reporting Now this was funny, Cameron. Welcome to the list! :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:48:14 -0600 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) > "Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki" wrote: > > Speaking of which, has anyone ever had someone play an angel of Jordi in > their game? And had it *work*? 90% of all In Nomine games I can think of -- > even ones not set in the city -- have little use for Jordi's people. He's > the least accessible archangel, IMHO -- even if you like animals, or really > are an ecoterrorist. (Not to say I am one. Fnord.) Yes, I played Felix/male dog vessel//Felicia/female human vessel, a Cherub of Jordi in the Eternal Dawn PBEM game. When last seen, he was trying to find a fix for a Vampire of Theft [unwilling vampire/human with a thing for thievery], to re-assert the natural cycle of life and also trying to foil a VapuTech plot -- seems Jordi has it in for Vapula and the environmental destruction that most VapuTech seems to engender during its creation and/or use. Though most angels of Jordi probably seek to "reassert the natural cycle of life" through more forceful means, Cherubs are protectors and defenders, not destroyers, so Felix/Felicia took a different slant, and was trying to find a way to cure vampirism. It all just depends on what a player brings to the role. The limitations are not written into the game itself. Light and life to all, Tom Timberlake, Cadre Cherub of Heaven - -- "Have you ever heard Uncle Wolf cry to the Blue Corn Moon, Or asked the smiling werejaguar why he grins?..." -- me, with apologies to Disney Studios for the paraphrase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:31:57 -0800 From: "Glenn Brown" Subject: IN> STAMP OUT ANGELIC LIES A response to Calabrakis by the Habbalite Angel Hypocritical Oh, my poor, poor brother Calabrakis, how it pains me as a Habbalite to see a fellow Servitor of our Dread Lord Asmodeus fall victim to the lies and deceits of those weak-minded, contemptible so-called *angels* who lounge around in Heaven. The fact that a fellow Gamester, of all people, could be so weak...words fail me. I am writing this memo in the hope that *some* of the damage you have so carelessly done may be corrected. Hopefully, when the time comes for you to explain your actions to our Lord Asmodeus, the fact that the damage isn't *quite* as bad as it might otherwise have been will in some small way assuage our Lord's anger. Please, there is no need to thank me...but as our sisters the Lilim would say, you owe me one. The following is a list of *correct* and *proper* terms which can be used to describe our opponents. An Incompetence of Seraphim. If Seraphim were as competent at perceiving the Truth as they believe, they would understand the importance of my own Choir's function in the Working Out of God's Great Plan for us all. A Stupidity of Cherubim. How else can one describe anyone so dumb that they think God wants them to protect the weak? A Blundering of Ofanim They never pause to think. And it shows. A Failure of Elohim If they didn't fail so miserably, they would understand what God *really* wants them to do, and become Habbalah. A Maliciousness of Malakim What else can you call these murderous bastards? And a touch of alliteration never hurts. An Egotism of Kyriotates Honestly, taking over human's bodies? Is that really something an *angel* should be doing? An Absurdity of Mercurians Come now, Friends of Man? Friends of Weak, Naked Apes, more accurately! And last but not least, An Absence of Gregori Says it all, doesn't it? And if you wish to describe the Bands.... A Nobility of Balseraphs Of course a Balseraph is a noble! Ask any of them, and they'll tell you so themselves! A Honesty of Djinn They don't care in the least for humans, and they'll honestly say so. A Divinity of Habbalah As I'm sure you know, we Habbalah are God's *true* angelic servants. A Vitality of Calabrim You have to admire the vigor with which they destroy the weak. An Opportunity of Lilim The Lilim are always ready to make a deal. They need to be described in terms which helps them advertise this fact. A Revelation of Shedim They reveal what those pathetic human weaklings are *really* like. An Essence of Impudites They do demonstrate that humanity has *some* value...the same way a cow does. I hope, brother Calabrakis, that this list opens your eyes, and shows you the way in which you weakly allowed yourself to be deceived by our opponent's ideological assumptions. Assuming you survive this fiasco, I hope you will in future always remember that it is not whether you win or lose, it's How You Play the Game!!! Gamely yours, the Angel Hypocritical, Habbalite Servitor of Asmodeus. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:31:59 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> STAMP OUT ANGELIC LIES A response to Calabrakis by the Habbalite Angel Hypocritical OK, now I *know* that Calabrakis is going to have to make return appearances if he's getting this level of support. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:13:38 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) Where does one find "loose forces"? According to IN metaphysics, everything, notably souls and spirits, is made of forces, but I don't recall running across them as independently existing items. If so, what do they look like? (Is an object composed of just one force the same thing as a loose force?) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:26:48 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Perfect Mate Interesting Ethereal. Sounds VERY Jungian. For those who don't know, Carl Jung was a student of Freud's and founded his own system of psychoanalysis in rivalry to Freud's. A major feature of this system are the "archetypes" that make up the "collective unconscious." Archetypes are ideas in-born in all of us. Two of them are the Anima and the Animus. Another one is the Shadow. The Anima is the idea imbedded in the male mind of what "female" is and means; the Animus is the idea in the female mind of what "male" is and means. (Each sex also has its own archetype as part of its subconscious, but then it forms part of the Self archetype.) The Perfect Mate strongly resembles Jung's Anima and Animus combined. In fact, I would recommend that there be two Perfect Mates, a Perfect Husband and a Perfect Wife, Animus and Anima. Of course, there's the evil side of all this, which means that the Perfect Mate is strongly toned with the Shadow -- the rejected side of the mind. I should think it would be very hard for celestials to destroy the Perfect Mate(s) permanently; human psychology would reconstruct it/them quickly. But angels of Blandine might well want to trash it anyway, hoping that the next instance would not be so predatory. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:32:34 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Maurice Lane wrote: > Numinous Corpus: Two-dimensional Some celestials are seeking out the soul of Edwin Abbott, to find out why seraphim who use this song always turn into circles, cherubim into octagons, ophanim heptagons, elohim hexagons, malakim pentagons, kyrios squares, mercurians equilateral triangles, and relievers isosceles triangles. The few humans who have tried it have all become line segments. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The angel of Hawaiian shirts2107 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:06:38 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The angel of Hawaiian shirts >Hoeial >The Angel of Hawaiian shirts >Friend of Flowers >Malakite of Novalis Ok, this one is just _strange_. Funny, but strange... >I will never wear any shirt that does not have floral >print of some kind on it especially this, when one considers the bit about how Hoeial will, if really pushed to it, make Hawaiian shirts out of demons and give them to other Malakim. It makes Tropical Island Night at the 8th Virtue a lot more disquieting... :) Moe PS Nice job ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:38:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) At 9:13 AM -0500 3/16/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Where does one find "loose forces"? According to IN metaphysics, >everything, notably souls and spirits, is made of forces, but >I don't recall running across them as independently existing >items. If so, what do they look like? Whispy tangles of string, perceptable primarily to Superiors and occasionally just before they dissipate back into the Symphony after being ripped off your foe in celestial combat. Is that canon? No. It's just a cool image. (I believe it _is_ canon that there are lots of Forces in the Symphony, though, and the notion is that they are "free floating." I'm not sure _where_ this is, though, which is making me grumble since I have a baby's leg hooked over one arm and her head resting on the other and you can guess teh drill. >(Is an object composed of just one force the same thing as >a loose force?) No -- a loose Force is an unbound one. Unused and Pure... Hm, what _did_ happen to Uriel... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:40:14 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> What I want to see next (Was Cleaning out... whatever) At 12:53 AM -0500 3/16/01, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> At 11:46 PM -0500 3/14/01, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >> >> >Of course, Beth has already posted the tentative not-set-in-stone but >> >still very likely list of the next Superiors books, so the question is >> >semi-moot. >> >> Basically, my only ponderings is whether or not to have Eli/Novalis/Chris/Jordi >> as book 5 or 7. (The original 5 was Janus/Marc/Jean/Litheroy/Zadkiel, but >> that was partly due to the authors I wanted for certain of the ENCJ lot >> being busy on other projects.) > >Hmm... Jordi is needed, and Eli is needed in a different way - but Janus >and Marc and Litheroy have all been mentioned as 'hard to grok' here quite >a bit. That's a toughy. You're telling me? >Personally, I'd stick with J/M/J/L/Z as 5, myself, >and would love to see E/N/C/J as 6, but we've already discussed that. :) Yes, well.... If the line were doing well enough to take off, and I could assign authors that didn't overlap much, ENCJ could be nigh- concurrent with whatever shows up for 6. (Probably Lilith, Beleth, Kronos, Malphas, as "The Manipulators" (working title).) >OOC, Roy and Zaddie are minors, so they take up the space of one major, >sure. But Chris is a minor... is his page count going to be eaten up by >Eli instead, and the rumors or potentialities about him? Bingo -- What Eli's Doing seems popular. I could move Zaddie up to them as well, because of her Novalis association, but she's really a better fit for the other: "Pillars and Wildcards" (rather than "Peace & Nature" -- both working titles, but they seem to work). Novalis and Jordi might get a little more space, too -- I could see some Animal Stats creeping into Jordi's, for instance. >> Oh, man, me too. Only I have dreams of, like, 3 books, with 4+ Superiors >> in 'em... 1 for dead/missing Princes (probably including Magog, come to >> think of it), 1 for dead/missing Archangels, and one I can't talk about >> right now because I'm not entirely sure who'd be in it. > >I was just trying to be realistic. :) > Seriously, even a simple 2 page >writeup of each referenced Superior would be WONDERFUL... and 4-6 would be >more than enough. Truth be told, I'd find 4-6 pages only enough to be an evil teaser, myself! If one's going to do a nice taste, 10 pages would be the minimum. And if we're doing 10 pages, we might as well package the dead ones up together and do 20-30 pages... Well, if we're doing pipe dreams, I have one for a historical IN, with an expanded timeline (including human workings and annotations, similar to GURPS Timeline), historical Superiors (in 2-page spreads), guidelines for running multi-century campaigns (or "How to do previous history campaigns and still wind up with a 9-Force celestial when the current campaing starts"), historical skills, stuff about how Roles and views on disturbance and supernatural happenings were different... Pipe dream, at the moment. But what's life without Dreams? >Sure, a full writeupwriteup of each would be the BOMB, >but I wonder how specialized a market you're looking at there.... > >> But this is rather moot at the moment. C'est la vie. > >Sigh. Yeah. I'm missing my "edit an In Nomine THING" Rite a lot, these days, what with the Princess of Cute sucking all my Essence. (This is, amusingly, true. I miss editing stuff. I've had only a few whiffs recenty and I want more...) >Okay, back to Tattered Symphony then.... where's that Davidian >thumbnail... A reminder that I need to go dig up Chris and some of the others and figure out some quotes... - --Beth, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, arcangel@io.com 1 MMorganLP. Oooo! http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:40:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) At 11:33 PM -0500 3/15/01, Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki wrote: >Speaking of which, has anyone ever had someone play an angel of Jordi in >their game? And had it *work*? 90% of all In Nomine games I can think of -- >even ones not set in the city -- have little use for Jordi's people. He's >the least accessible archangel, IMHO -- even if you like animals, or really >are an ecoterrorist. (Not to say I am one. Fnord.) We've got a Cherub of Animals in the game which has the mouthy Lilim in the Tether of Lightning (who says she wouldn't sass Millicent, Whistling?)... As far as I've ever seen, though, the "canonical" Kyriotate of Animals is Hitherby. Hitherby features in Fiat Justitia, Maya's online IN game. http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~maya/nomine/fiat.html (by memory, I know that URL!) Hitherby is totally orthogonal much of the time, tells stories of spider folk tales, relates the dragonfly war cry... Hitherby is also R. Sean Borgstrom, who was featured in Superiors 1 and a few other places here and there, such as Nobilis. Unsurprising that Hitherby is so engaging. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:30:27 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> What I want to see next (Was Cleaning out... whatever) >From: Elizabeth McCoy >ENCJ could be nigh- >concurrent with whatever shows up for 6. (Probably Lilith, Beleth, >Kronos, Malphas, as "The Manipulators" (working title).) > Replace Lilith with Asmodeus and you've got my attention right there :) jo [Someone remind me when I have a mo, there is some stuff I have to get down in writing about Beleth.] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:35:26 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> What I want to see next (Was Cleaning out... whatever) From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > Yes, well.... If the line were doing well enough to take off, and I > could assign authors that didn't overlap much, ENCJ could be nigh- > concurrent with whatever shows up for 6. (Probably Lilith, Beleth, > Kronos, Malphas, as "The Manipulators" (working title).) I would vote for "Masters of Misdirection," personally. ("Pay no attention to the Princes behind the curtain" would take up too much of the cover to make it an acceptable subtitle, after all...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:36:28 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> "wuxia"? In the past week, I've twice run across the term "wuxia" on the SJGames discussion boards. Please, what does it mean? Is it some piece of game-slang I'm unfamiliar with? (Whatever it is, I'm sure unfamiliar with it.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:40:37 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> "wuxia"? From: "Earl Wajenberg" > In the past week, I've twice run across the term "wuxia" > on the SJGames discussion boards. Please, what does it mean? It's a term for the asian cinematic style used in movies like "The Bride With White Hair," or "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon."* IIRC, it translates more or less literally as "Flying people." *Ooooooh, Li Mu Bai as an Elohite of the Sword... Must use this somewhere! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:53:17 -0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: IN> Oannes Writup Posted Hi all, I've finished my Oannes write up (first draft) and posted it on my website at http://eternalcity.freeservers.com/innomine.html Comments on Oannes (and Dark Azrael) would be appreciated. Vephar may follow early next week, along with some plot Mcguffins. This is a more cannon (as 'more cannon' as an unnoficial write up can be) version of Oannes than my campaign one (ie this one DID die on thera, mine didn't) Enjoy - -FallenSeraph ^v^ ICQ - 110193631 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon; and the Dragon and his angels fought, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:7-8 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:24:06 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> "wuxia"? >From: "Prodigal" >IIRC, it translates more or less literally as "Flying people." That's what I've heard as well. Less literally, but perhaps more useful, is explanation "Wire Kung Fu." - -- Casca, having to use hotmail since his other mail provider became a dot-com bomb.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:05:56 -0600 From: "John Walter Biles" Subject: Re: IN> "wuxia"? On 16 Mar 01, at 11:40, Prodigal wrote: > From: "Earl Wajenberg" > > > In the past week, I've twice run across the term "wuxia" > > on the SJGames discussion boards. Please, what does it mean? > > It's a term for the asian cinematic style used in movies like "The Bride > With White Hair," or "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon."* IIRC, it > translates more or less literally as "Flying people." > It's more like 'The Way of the Heroic Wanderer' or 'The Way of the Knight'. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu http://www.dkcomm.net/rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "That all princes shall kiss the foot of the Pope alone."--Dictatus Papae, 11th century ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:55:37 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> "wuxia"? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walter Biles" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 6:05 AM Subject: Re: IN> "wuxia"? > > It's a term for the asian cinematic style used in movies like "The Bride > > With White Hair," or "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon."* IIRC, it > > translates more or less literally as "Flying people." > It's more like 'The Way of the Heroic Wanderer' or 'The Way of the > Knight'. Or, to use the modern b***ardized translation, "Anti-Gravity Kung Fu". - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:31:48 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> "wuxia"? Thanks, everyone, for the explanations. I gather, then, that "The Matrix" was just abot paradigmatic, pure-quill wuxia. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:20:12 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) At 11:33 PM -0500 3/15/01, Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki wrote: >Speaking of which, has anyone ever had someone play an angel of Jordi in >their game? And had it *work*? 90% of all In Nomine games I can think of -- >even ones not set in the city -- have little use for Jordi's people. He's >the least accessible archangel, IMHO -- even if you like animals, or really >are an ecoterrorist. (Not to say I am one. Fnord.) Read the Fiat stuff on Ms. Cogman's website. Hitherby is both the best Kyriotate and the best Jordian I've ever seen. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:57:13 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Working with Animals > Speaking of which, has anyone ever had someone play an angel of Jordi in > their game? And had it *work*? 90% of all In Nomine games I can think of > -- even ones not set in the city -- have little use for Jordi's people. > He's the least accessible archangel, IMHO -- even if you like animals, or > really are an ecoterrorist. (Not to say I am one. Fnord.) Especially his Seraphim, egad! How often are you going to be in situations where you can "root out the Diabolicals that live secretly in the watery darkness" in your Vessel/4 (Giant Squid)?! I mean really. You basically would have to tailor-make an entire campaign around them. To be honest, I think Jordi has an amazing amount of potential, just he hasn't gotten to show it off yet (which is why I "Tattered" him as the Archangel of Animism, but that's another story...), so I think a Superior book writeup would be fabulous (even though, as TJ observed, it's not going to bring more people to the game). Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:04:33 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) From: "Elizabeth McCoy" <<(I believe it _is_ canon that there are lots of Forces in the Symphony, though, and the notion is that they are "free floating." I'm not sure _where_ this is, though, which is making me grumble since I have a baby's leg hooked over one arm and her head resting on the other and you can guess teh drill.>> It's in the writeup of the Song of Life in the whatyoucallit, the Book of Songs, if nowhere else. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:35:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Working with Animals At 1:57 PM -0500 3/16/01, Jonathan Walton wrote: [Angels of Jordi: difficult to use] >Especially his Seraphim, egad! How often are you going to be in situations >where you can "root out the Diabolicals that live secretly in the watery >darkness" in your Vessel/4 (Giant Squid)?! I mean really. You basically >would have to tailor-make an entire campaign around them. And then there's the goldfish who's just been snuck into the aquarium of the demonic Tether... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:28:07 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> If so, what do they [free forces] look like? > > Whispy tangles of string, perceptable primarily to Superiors and > occasionally just before they dissipate back into the Symphony after > being ripped off your foe in celestial combat. Nice image. I tend to visualize forces as balls of light. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:32:45 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) >Maurice Lane wrote: > >> Numinous Corpus: Two-dimensional > >Some celestials are seeking out the soul of Edwin Abbott > >Earl Flatland! Wow, I thought only us geeky math majors knew about that book.... %^) And let's not forget the zero-dimensional God, either. :^) William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:33:25 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Jordi >Speaking of which, has anyone ever had someone play an angel of Jordi in >their game? And had it *work*? 90% of all In Nomine games I can think of -- >even ones not set in the city -- have little use for Jordi's people. He's >the least accessible archangel, IMHO -- even if you like animals, or really >are an ecoterrorist. (Not to say I am one. Fnord.) Well, I was in a campaign a while back where one of the players had a Kyrio of Jordi. This worked out nicely, as we were set on Kauai, and our first big encounter was stopping a demonic-backed developer from building a resort in a pristine valley. Kauai is full of feral chickens, and he could possess 27 at once, which is both intimidating and handy for staging media events about endangered species. Also, 2700 insects flying around can more or less blanket an island that small, allowing our group to keep tabs on everything. The rest of the group was a pair of Creationers, a Destiny, a Windy (who kept island-hopping), and a Seraph of War, who was rather interesting...something about punishment for his last assignment... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:10:46 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> "wuxia"? From: "Earl Wajenberg" > Thanks, everyone, for the explanations. I gather, then, that > "The Matrix" was just abot paradigmatic, pure-quill wuxia. Yes, because the Warshawsky brothers love the genre. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: RE: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:33:09 -0500 From: "Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki" Subject: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) >Speaking of which, has anyone ever had someone play >an angel of Jordi in their game? And had it *work*? >90% of all In Nomine games I can think of -- even >ones not set in the city -- have little use for >Jordi's people. Oh, I don't know. Kyrio of Animals would be really useful in a city: there's always a roach or twenty thousand around. The best part is, nobody goes _looking_ for roaches: as long as the damn things stay hidden, your average urban dweller is just as happy to pretend to be ignorant. And don't even get me started on water bugs. Those fragging things are HUGE... Anyway. They make good ... well, I hate to say it ... 'bugs'.* Of course, the trick is to get a Kyrio of Kritters to _care_. So, you write up a background that justifies the PC having it and do your Wheedle GM manuever... :) Moe *Well, actually I liked saying it, but one must be polite. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:45:48 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) William J. Keith wrote: > Flatland! Wow, I thought only us geeky math majors knew about that > book.... %^) It's popular with us geeky physics majors, too. Then there's the sequel, "Sphereland," written by Dionysius Berger and narrated by the hexagonal grandson of the first book's narrator. Trying to steer this somewhere back toward In Nomine, "Flatland" was written back when the idea of extra dimensions was first making the rounds. So were Spiritualism and Theosophy. So some people wondered if the spirit realm might not be hyperspace. One or two even went so far as to ask mediums to do various things (or get the spirits to do various things) that you can only do in four dimensions -- e.g. turn a lefthand glove into a righthand glove. Very few mediums were able to comply. I suspect a large number said, "Huh?" (as mysteriously as possible). Applying this to In Nomine, if celestials and ethereals are multidimensional creatures, one would expect them to be able to see "through" (really "into") objects as well as move "through" (really "around") them, when in celestial form. One would expect them to be able to make material things vanish and reappear with trivial ease, and make mirror-flips as with the aforementioned glove. Balancing these additional powers for celestials, one would expect a more rigid geography for the Celestial Plane, and maybe the Ethereal Plane too. And the mathematically inclined GM can amuse themselves for long periods working out the geometry and geography of hyperspace, then applying it to the celestial side of the game. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:48:51 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) So far, I've counted three Kyrios of Animals and one Cherub. I spot a trend. I'm sure Jordi isn't impossible to work with, in a game, but he does seem difficult. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:49:52 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Add-on to Jordi comment Whoops! I forgot to add that the advantage was that Kyrios of Animals get to possess _lots_ of roaches at a time (which is why the Wheedle GM manuever should be required to have on, even secondhand). :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:53:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> STAMP OUT ANGELIC LIES A response to Calabrakis by the Habbalite Angel Hypocritical Love it, love it, love it! Nothing like some good old-fashioned Habbalite propaganda! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Perfect Mate - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > The Perfect mate This is waaaaay to creepy for me! Nicely done, Charles. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Reporting Personally, I like: A Crown of Elohim An Honor of Malakim A Cloud of Kyriotates A Price of Lilim ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > the only thing that the > performer can actually _do_ easily is run right at his > target and try to inflict a particularly nasty paper > cut... Ah, but a really fast Ofanite might be able to deliver a thousand of them very quickly. };;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:07:16 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> "wuxia"? From: Earl Wajenberg >Thanks, everyone, for the explanations. I gather, then, that >"The Matrix" was just abot paradigmatic, pure-quill wuxia. Except for the fact that the Fu in The Matrix didn't *look* wire-assisted, whereas "Crouching Tiger etc" *did*. So until the genre re-defines itself, for it to be True wuxia, the moves must look unbelieveable and assisted. - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:09:08 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> March 13, 2001 (ML) - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Where does one find "loose forces"? They are apparently quite common -- at least that fact is implied in various IN books. Superiors use loose Forces to make new Servitors and to create or expand their Cathedrals. But the GMG is quite clear on nobody but Superiors being able to manipulate loose Forces with any sort of real control. > > (Is an object composed of just one force the same thing as > a loose force?) No. Infant humans start out with 1 Force, but they're definitely not loose Forces. That's just one example. There are plenty of 1-Force objects and beings on the Corporeal plane. Now, on the Celestial plane, something with only one Force may be a stable object, but it could get recycled into loose a loose Force pretty easily. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Maurice Lane wrote: > > > Numinous Corpus: Two-dimensional Somehow, all this talk of two-dimensionality leaves me flat... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:16:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Jordi (was: What I want to see next) - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 11:33 PM -0500 3/15/01, Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki wrote: > > >Speaking of which, has anyone ever had someone play an angel > of Jordi in their game? And had it *work*? My campaign features Toral, a Kyrio of Animals who uses his animal Hosts to provide recon for the group. He rarely has his full set of Forces available to possess Hosts, however, as some of them stay in Siberia to maintain his Role as a totemic spirit wolf (this is the sort of thing one can only get away with in certain cultures). Interesting aside; part of the character's background is that he has an NPC friend who has gone Outcast and is presumed in Limbo. Toral frequently spends large amounts of Essence -- at the _beginning_ of a game session -- on the Celestial Song of Tongues to help his friend come home. I thought that was unbearably cool. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2108 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.