From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Mar 18 21:03:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31381 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:03:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA25620 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:08:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:08:56 -0600 Message-Id: <200103190308.VAA25620@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2112 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, March 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2112 In this digest: Fwd: IN> Curiosity about the list IN> Odd Habbalite. IN> March 19, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> All apparent violations are noted and intended. Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty Re: IN> March 17, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Not 03/18/01 Yet Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty Re: IN> March 17, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) IN> The Angel of Pets Re: IN> The Angel of Pets Re: IN> March 17, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> All apparent violations are noted and intended. Re: IN> Fighting Hell... Before Bedtime. Re: IN> The Forgiven. Re: IN> The Angel of Pets Re: IN> The Angel of Pets Re: IN> The Angel of Pets Re: IN> Odd Habbalite. Re: IN> The Angel of Pets Re: IN> The Angel of Pets Re: IN> Curiosity about the list IN> Superior Roles Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> The Angel of Pets Re: IN> The Angel of Pets IN> Song of the Last Stand ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:12:31 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Fwd: IN> Curiosity about the list >From: "Janet Anderson" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Curiosity about the list >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:31:31 > >How many people on this list have met each other in person? > Oh, Genevieve and I ran an IN scenario together at GenCon UK last year. Hopefully will do another this year! We did loosely make acquaintance outside of gaming, but we were both on the IN list at the time. It was ... a while ago ;) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:28:40 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Odd Habbalite. Beats me. I sometimes don't know where they come from, either. :) Moe Alva Habbalite of Technology Corporeal Forces: 5 Strength: 12 Agility: 8 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 6 Will: 12 Perception: 12 Vessel: Human Male/4, Charisma +2 Skills: Computer Programming/1, Dodge/3, Emote/3, Electronics/4, Enchantment/4, Engineering/4, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Biology/3, Comic books/4, Genetics/3, Research/3), Medicine/2, Savoir-Faire/2, Tactics/1 Songs: Entropy (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/1), Light (Celestial/6), Might (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/1, Celestial/1), Motion (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/3, Celestial/1), Numinous Corpus (Plates/3, Wings/3), Shields (All/3), Tongues (Ethereal/3) Attunements: Habbalite of Technology, Invention Alva is that rarest of Habbalah: he doesn't hate humans. No, really. Well, sure, they're weak, they're fragile, they're incapable of surviving the least change in their environment and there's no possible way that they can be considered superior to celestials. But that's not their fault. Their development has obviously been sidetracked by this War, and that's the fault of the demons and Alva's fellow-angels. Hell's indifference is understandable - they are rebelling against God, after all - but Heaven's laxness is inexcusable. It's ironic that Alva's better off working amidst these sorry excuses for celestials, rather than for Jean. At least down here Alva doesn't have to fill out as many forms. The Habbalite is a fairly powerful (but not very influential) Servitor of Technology that seems to be forever shunted off to one side of Tartarus' busy research programs. This is probably no doubt to his above attitude: Hell is used to Habbalah that think that they're angels, but they aren't used to Habbalah that don't want to torture humans for fun. However, he will experiment on them, if he feels the need to. Alva does regret it when use of anesthesia will interfere with the test results, though, and tries to avoid it when possible. Why he's still in existence is pretty clear: Vapula likes him. Sparky (Vapula's keeper) doesn't, but Alva's less overtly troublesome than most, so better him than someone who wants to create a gadget that blows up all Tethers in a 100-mile radius (an example of one recent idiot. Said idiot couldn't get it through his head that such a device couldn't distinguish between Divine and Infernal Tethers...). Thus, Alva gets to keep his budget and his office, pretty much undisturbed. Alva's current project is fairly simple, and rooted in both a legitimate (if terrifyingly twisted) pity for humanity's limitations and a desire to allow celestials better access to their abilities in the corporeal plane. It's fairly simple, really: angels and demons have special abilities. Using those special abilities causes disturbance in the corporeal plane. Why? It's because those abilities are deemed unnatural (from the point of view of a certain aspect of the Symphony). However, celestial vessels are unnatural, as well. Thus, any actions done by a celestial in a vessel that cause damage will also cause disturbance, unless the Symphony can be fooled into thinking that a human was responsible. This is commonly done by use of a Role. However, no current Role can be stretched to explain away resonance use, Essence expenditures or a wide variety of Songs. Therefore, it will be necessary to create Roles that can be so stretched - which will necessitate altering humans to the point where at least a small proportion of the population may show the same behavior patterns that the Role is designed to counterfeit. In other words, Alva is trying to work out a method that will give humans superpowers. Gadgets are absurdly simple, of course: it can be done with off the shelf technology. However, at the current time there is no known, reliable way to cheaply produce humans that can emulate the abilities of even the most modest superhero. At any rate, even use of Soldiers of Hell is unacceptable: most have a potential for only 6 Forces, and there's also the problem that, for this plan to work, Alva will need metahumans that are not, by definition, selfish individuals. However, the Habbalite has only been researching the question for two decades: no doubt sufficient dedication will uncover a method to consistently alter human DNA in useful ways. If only there were a Song that could speed up evolutionary processes... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:11:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> March 19, 2001 (PK) (I couldn't wait... sue me. I might not be around tomorrow anyway, so there. :) THE TURKEY CURSE As Revealed To Us By Dr. Van Van Mojo, Pagan Soldier of Eris ___ The Turkey Curse works. It is firmly grounded on the fact that the diametrically opposing Celestial Forces absolutely require an aneristic Symphonic setting to function and that a timely introduction of eristic vibrations will neutralize their foundation. The Turkey Curse is a ritual taught only to Soldiers of Eris and random mundanes, and cannot be performed by Celestials, Saints, Undead, Soldiers, Goldfish, or Short-Handled Mops. It requires no Essence to utilize and gives no special status amongst other Erisians, or the rest of the world. The instructions given below must be partaken of by the player as well as the character itself - with the exception of throwing dice (which the character does not do). If this does not make any sense to you, you are obviously a character, not a player; do not reread this paragraph. 1. Take a foot stance as if you were John L. Sullivan preparing for fisticuffs. 2. Face the particular celestial whose actions you wish to short-circuit, or towards the direction of a condition or situation caused by a celestial's supernatural abilities. 3. Begin waving your arms in any elaborate manner and make motions with your hands as though you were an Impudite of Lust feeling up a Grigori. 4. Chant, loudly and clearly, "GOBBLE, GOBBLE, GOBBLE, GOBBLE, GOBBLE!" 5. Throw d666 as the same time as the GM. Compare your rolls. If they match (taking into consideration that the check digit is unique, while the other two dice are not), Eris does something to mess up the celestial interference. If not, nothing happens. Interventions are normal. On Mojoday (Discord 5th - always a Pungenday - a.k.a. March 19th) the check digit is NOT considered a unique die. 6. DO NOT CIRCULATE! - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Ummon asked: "The world is such a wide world, why do you answer a bell and don ceremonial robes?" (Zen Koan) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:15:36 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> All apparent violations are noted and intended. >> You guys are all bright people. I don't have to spell >> this one out, do I? > >Actually, yes, you do. For me at least. Apparently, this is my weekend to >be utterly oblivious. Either that or I'm too literal-minded. Or something. > >Come on, Moe, 'fess up. Please? > >-- >Chuckg I'll confess that I too haven't the foggiest notion. (Maybe it would help if I had the calendar....) The concepts are pretty cool even if I don't know the background to them, but I bet knowing would make it even better. William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:32:00 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty >(although one wonders what the bit on Elohites would >have to cover; how CAN you mix emotionless detachment >with sex ("Yes, that is quite an erotic action; may I >observe further?"). Easy. For an interesting night, try an Elohite, Though they never will venture a smile; For kinky's a word that they've never heard And they'll always give something a trial. So send them an invite, when you next debauch: One night with them is never a botch; They also don't mind to stand there and watch You and yours on your extra large bed. :) Moe PS: Remember, there's all the AA's to do, too. Pardon the pun. ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:20:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> March 17, 2001 (ML) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:18:50 -0500 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> March 17, 2001 (ML) >Damn you Moe! Damn you! You made me do this! >Gimmie a little while to learn the cadence of the >song better and I'm sure that I can do the rest of >the choirs and bands. >The kyriotates, make most wonderful mates >Their skills are quite something to see >So striking of gaze, they will shock and amaze >With their knack for multiplicity >A self-contained orgy in which you may delve >Contain a bevy of beautiful belles >Although they just might get wrapped up with themselves >As they fill up your extra-large bed Stolen. Well, I'll include your name, but you know what I mean. ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:23:33 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Not 03/18/01 Yet Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:51:08 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Not 03/18/01 Yet >Darn'ed if I know. Isn't there a language where >"Sheila" is another word for "girl"? Or is that >Austrailian, which is another case of "two countries >separated by a common language"? Yeah, but what does it have to do with _Iceland_? :) >(And what are _you) doing up at 1am EST, Moe?) Editing, of course. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:49:14 -0600 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty > Phillip Des Jardins wrote: > > "Angels and their Manners in Bed: An Abstract Exercise" > > > > Later. > > Jonathan > > How many other people suddenly had Kyriotates spring to mind? I didn't -- instead, my mind went to Ofanim and friction burns -- fires of love, indeed! Light and life to you, Tom Timberlake, Cadre Cherub of Heaven - -- "Have you ever heard Uncle Wolf cry to the Blue Corn Moon, Or asked the smiling werejaguar why he grins?..." -- me, with apologies to Disney Studios for the paraphrase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:32:18 -0000 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> March 17, 2001 (ML) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prodigal" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: Re: IN> March 17, 2001 (ML) > From: "Daniel Gallagher" > > > > A self-contained orgy in which you may delve > > Contain a bevy of beautiful belles > > > > (Yes, I know the term beautiful belles is redundant. Sue me.) > > It has better scansion that way, anyway. > > Although I would suggest "Containing a bevy of beautiful belles" for the > best match between its meter and that of the line immediately preceding it. > ;;;) > >That's what I ment. Iwas going really fast to get it out before anyone else. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > "Basic" H&H is probably flat, if that's even defined > there. Dunno about its effect on Essence flow. My question is, is Essence a particle or a wave? };;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:22:11 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> The Angel of Pets With all the discussion about Jordi going on, I felt it was appropriate to add this. No stats or anything as of yet; I tend to keep the Word Bound a mystery on what they can do. Nethinims, Angel of Pets Mercurian of Animals Nethinims is unquestionably one of Jordi’s more unusual Servitors. He came into existence in the mid 50s and was sent to the US. At the time, he was the archetypal Servitor of Jordi; he held humans in contempt, and worked to protect the stray animals that were routinely brutalized by people. Thirty years into his Earthly duties, a chance encounter turned Nethinims’ world view completely around. He came across a homeless man walking a dog. The Mercurian was going to free the dog and was coming up with a way to teach the human a lesson when his Resonance picked up on something unexpected. The human actually cared for the dog. He wasn't brutal to it and he saw the animal as a valued companion. Up until then, Nethinims simply assumed that domesticated animals were nothing more than slaves that needed to be set free. It was far better in his eyes to free the animals from people who mistreated them and allow them to roam loose. It never occurred to him that people could love animals and treat them well. On a whim, he bought some food at a nearby store and struck up a conversation with the man. As they talked, the Mercurian noticed that the man gave the dog most of the food. The dog was quite devoted to the man and Nethinims grew more puzzled as the conversation went on. When it was over, he went to a nearby library and began to do some research. The things he came across shocked him. There were books on how to properly care for animals that lived with people (And most of it was quite correct). He read up on surgical sterilization and why it was beneficial for the animals as well as good for the cities. He read about immunizations and how it kept domestic animals healthy. Nethinims decided that a change in tactics was in order. He talked to veterinarians, animal shelter workers and any other animal caretaker who would spare some time (He even tried getting an appointment with Bob Barker, but that didn't pan out). He began to see a completely different side of humans that he was completely ignorant about. And he went about helping pets finding good homes with people as a volunteer at a shelter. One month into his new job, Nethinims was pulled up to Heaven. Jordi was not thrilled at his servant's behavior and now the Mercurian was being called to the carpet. Or, more accurately, called to the field. It took quite a bit of courage for Nethinims to report his new findings to his Superior. When you are facing several predatory animals that share the same mind and are preparing to rip you apart, it can be very daunting. But Nethinims took a deep breath, calmed his nerves and proceeded to tell Jordi everything he had learned. When he was done, Jordi reluctantly realized that his Servitor had a good point. He didn't like animals being domesticated, but if humans were treating them well there was some hope for them. So Jordi took the unusual step of approaching the Seraphim Council and petitioning for Nethinims to become the Word of Pets. The Council was puzzled at Jordi’s request, but it was quickly granted. Nethinims returned to Earth in his new Role as a pet shop owner. He rarely sells pets out of the store though; he prefers to have rescue agencies and the local pound come in to get their animals adopted although Hess been known to take in a stray from time to time. He does keep a good stock of toys, medicines, litter and other essentials for animal care. Things have been quite good for him lately; profits are up to the point he can make large donations to the shelters and rescues that he works with, the animals that get adopted out go to nice homes and he gets to teach people how to responsibly care for animals. Best of all, Hess managed to gain two servants in the process. The first is Samantha Woodard, a veterinarian and a Soldier of Jordi’s. She opened up her clinic in his store and offers low cost care for any animal that gets adopted out of the store. She is very happy in her work and she’s managed to persuade her brother to help out with the details of running the business (Accounting and business management are not two of Nethinims’ talents. He was quite happy to have the man help out). His newest servant is Joe (“Just Joe. Honest.”), a recently fledged Kyriotate of Jordi’s. When an animal gets adopted, Joe goes home with it to make sure that it’s being treated well. He's able to report his findings by way of a parakeet that Samantha has in her office (Yes, they can talk. Joe uses that to great advantage.). Nethinims has been pondering opening up another store to help more animals, but that is only in the vague planning stages right now. At the moment, he is quite content to stay where he is and do his part in teaching people responsible pet care. As a side note, Nethinims is very aware of the activities of the Impudite Marcus (From A Dark Dream). He's not about to go out of his way to hunt him down, but if Marcus wanders into his town, the Angel of Pets will be doing his best to end his existence. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:26:20 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets grrr...Should have checked the proofreading a little more closely. Replace all mention of the name "Hess" with "he's." *goes forth to beat the hell out of MS Word and Netscape* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:27:07 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> March 17, 2001 (ML) So, of course, I have to start the demonic verses*. A fair Impudite is a wonderful sight, No one is immune to their charm. If their deep Essence thirst doesn't do you in first Then their kisses are sure to do harm. They're limber and spry and so willing to try Things that shock and amaze you and leave you wrung dry, Passed out limp in your extra-large bed. *Or satanic verses, if you're a Rushdie fan. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:28:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> All apparent violations are noted and intended. In article <20010317033232.8127.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com>, Maurice Lane wrote: > You guys are all bright people. I don't have to spell > this one out, do I? Er, I think you might have to be a bit clearer for us transpondials. I'm utterly fascinated (and no John, it's not just because of the beer-spraying!). - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:39:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Fighting Hell... Before Bedtime. In article <004601c0af66$7c69b000$0401a8c0@cruzio.com>, Phillip Des Jardins wrote: > > > > Sorry everyone, I had to get that out of my head... ^^ > > > > -Exit the LoneWolf > > > This is just more proof to me that ideas like this are a communicable > disease. The worst part is that I can see it working. The worst worst part is that it seems to have been incorporated into our Shadowrun campaign.... - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:45:40 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Forgiven. Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:19:39 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Forgiven. > You're like Moe. You scare me in all the right ways! >:) (blink) > Why thank you. Making people nervous or confused >is about as natural as breathing for me. > I'm glad that the Forgiven has been getting such >good reviews as well. Now what else should I inflict >on...errr...send to the list Surprise us. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:46:40 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets I like this, but I have two questions. 1) Jordi may be eccentric by any standards, but he is an ancient Archangel and neither ignorant nor stupid. He certainly knows that for every human who abuses, neglects, or exploits animals there are many who love, care for, share with, and work beside them. (Whether he wants to admit this or not is another question.) This was even truer in agricultural ages than it is now. How is it that Nethinims' findings came as a surprise to him? 2) How did Nethinims himself spend several decades on earth before encountering a positive human-animal relationship? He's a Mercurian; he *must* have done so, even if it was only a boy and a dog, an old lady and a cat, or a human and a seeing eye dog. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:56:20 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets > I like this, but I have two questions. > > 1) How is it that Nethinims' findings came as a surprise to him? I never meant to imply stupidity on Jordi's part (Especially because I have a couple of rabbits and one cat in my house. Offending a creature like him would not be high up on my list of things to do). He strikes me as more of a type that would prefer all animals to roam free and apart from humans no matter the harm that might result. (Hello, PETA. I'm looking in your direction!). Although aware of the positive relationships that exist between humans and animals, I think he would get somewhat crabby with Servitors that actively try to promote pet ownership. > 2) How did Nethinims himself spend several decades on earth before > encountering a positive human-animal relationship? He's a Mercurian; he > *must* have done so, even if it was only a boy and a dog, an old lady and a > cat, or a human and a seeing eye dog. There were a couple of reasons behind this. a. He was assigned to save the animals that are getting mistreated by people. After a couple of years of seeing how people abuse pets, he would be conditioned to think that it's a normal state of being for humans. "I expect 'x' to act in 'y' manner and there is no other way." b. I found it more realistic to have a Servitor whose been on Earth for a several years before earning a Word rather than have a newly fledged angel doing so. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:59:16 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets - -----Original Message----- From: Cameron McCurry To: In Nomine List Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 8:26 PM Subject: IN> The Angel of Pets > > With all the discussion about Jordi going on, I felt it was >appropriate to add this. No stats or anything as of yet; I tend to keep >the Word Bound a mystery on what they can do. > >Nethinims, Angel of Pets >Mercurian of Animals > > Nethinims is unquestionably one of Jordi’s more unusual Servitors. >He came into existence in the mid 50s and was sent to the US. > Uh... No offense, but seeing as Animal Domestication has been around since Humankind tamed the Dogs, wouldn't have Jordi appointed someone to the job a long time ago? Plus, I don't think Jordi's position on Animal Domestication is "It's Slavery! Free all the Pets!" As long as the animals aren't being treated cruelly, Jordi most likely doesn't mind if humans keep some of them around as friends and companions. Heck, he probably encourages them to do so, if only to teach them to see Animals as living, feeling beings worthy of love and respect. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Odd Habbalite. - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > If only > there were a Song that could speed up evolutionary > processes... AAAAARGH! Moe! Don't do this to me! I don't need that kind of inspiration! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets - --- Cameron McCurry wrote: > Nethinims, Angel of Pets > Mercurian of Animals This is a well thought-out piece that manages to break a Jordite stereotype into tiny little pieces. Thanks, Cameron! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:19:50 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Uh... No offense, but seeing as Animal Domestication has been > around since > Humankind tamed the Dogs, wouldn't have Jordi appointed > someone to the job a long time ago? Not necessarily. "Domestication" and "Pets" are two very different things (though the latter is admittedly a subset of the former). The first domestic dogs were hunting partners and sentries. They didn't become pets until later. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Curiosity about the list - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > the Halo Pub. (It's a perfectly good old-fashioned > ice cream > parlor; it's not their fault that every time I pass the place, > let alone go > in, I ask myself whose Tether it is. Is there an Angel of Ice > Cream, if so which Superior does he work for, and if not why > not?) There is most definitely an Angel of Ice Cream. She's a Habbalah of Gluttony who knows that Humans' weakness for the rich, creamy stuff proves that they're unworthy of Heaven. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:31:43 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Superior Roles Has this been covered? I dunno; last I checked the digest archives were still b0rken. Occasionally -- just possibly -- a Superior may need to arrive somewhere without *PANG*ing the Symphony with 20 or 30 notes of Disturbance. Or, if you want something done right, they may have to be on Earth and ready to do it themself. Quietly, and giving every impression that humanity did it. In either case, a Role/6 is immensely helpful, and picking one up from a Servitor may not be the most immediately useful thing. So, I figure each Superior would maintain at least one Role/6. They can multitask, and they have practice doing it -- for some Superiors, their carefully-maintained Roles would never yet have seen use. The considerations would need to be: smooth changeovers as the Vessels are properly aged; significant connection to the Superior's Word; a reason the Vessel could come to a site where it might be needed, but yet a decently low profile; and resources that they might apply. I thought it might be interesting to look at what kind of Role each Superior would maintain. If any; some might not. Here are two to start with: Dominic The Role Dominic has maintained for the last five hundred years or so (through about eight incarnations) has been as a scholar of the theory of law. He associates himself with middling-renowned academic institutions, settling in as a respected professor at a young age -- one who shows promise, and who has been patronized by a fairly well-known, established professor (his previous Role, of course). He sets about gaining tenure with a series of decent textbooks which brings in some respect (and funds) for the school; little new information, but a coherent and tightly-organized interpretation of known theory which is presented in so clear a fashion as to thoroughly impress reviewers and other professors. The papers he writes are usually on subjects of little interest to the rest of the legal communtiy; decent research, but peculiar interests. Still, they're generally papers that make some people's reference shelves. Overall, as a scholar, he does okay work. Nothing groundbreaking, but obviously a good hard worker who keeps his nose clean, generally stays above faculty politics, and brings in his share for the department. Doesn't spend much either -- travels occasionally, to conferences and such, and he gets calls from the oddest people, but that's about it. And as a teacher... ...he's quite good, really. Students report that his grading is fair and consistent, his insight into the nature of the law penetrating and convincing. He has an uncanny knack for judging the amount and kind of work that a class is capable of. He's hard to reach outside of the school's required office hours each week -- he seems to just wander into the library and disappear -- but he also seems to turn up regularly at the oddest moments when a student is struggling in his class. Personally, he's quite distant -- no one can seem to get a handle on his personality, as if he constantly went around cloaked and hooded instead of in a respectable three-piece suit -- but that's of little importance. Overall, a fair-minded man with a keen grasp of the law and a clear ability to convey his knowledge, which is really everything you want in a prof. Just don't cheat in his class. He *always* catches them. Andrealphus Since time immemorial, there has always been a certain type of nobility: the kind with wealth to spare, who can indulge their every whim - -- and whose whims are better left undescribed before the innocent of heart... Andrealphus has been just this kind of noble, in any number of different rank structures. Always he is minor nobility, sometimes (these days) even when it doesn't matter all that much in terms of actual social rank. His lands or other holdings are prosperous, and he manages them well enough to make a tidy income. During the day, he is largely respectable, known at Court or in the social centers of the locale as a socialite. Devastatingly handsome (or gorgeous) in his younger years, he ages extremely well for a long time, and even when a bit of age starts to show, he or she is still quite beautiful for at least a decade. After that, they slip out of public life; after all, there's always another beautiful young thing just coming of a particular age in any court's collection of minor nobles. Their lands are passed to an heir (yes, an heir) and they themselves are generally quickly forgotten, having contributed to society little more than an engaging presence... ...and the nights. Oh, the nights. Spoken of in hushed tones in the darker corners of the Court, by male and female alike: invitations proferred by discreet messengers on silver-embossed cards; thrillingly sensous words presuading a chaste young lass to attend; gorgeous eyes pulling in any target they desired, rumoring even the sovereign themself. And once there, your choice of ecstasies. Wine and drugs and masks lubricating revels of unspeakable delights, pain and orgasm mixing in new and frightening ways, all morals abandoned -- the host's ideas always seemed so excitingly erotic, every one.... And in even quieter whispers, what happened after. The unmarried noble always choosing one of his bastard children as his heir, which a friend could have sworn was his. The cheating wife and husband who find each other in the same room, and the murder soon after. The high-ranking young woman who must wear long sleeves and dresses to hide the always-fresh scars of a particularly rough inclination. The father who recognizes the mask in his daughter's wardrobe.... But somehow, the next generation of society's hedonists never was told, or cared, or listened to the stories from the previous circle of attendees, and so the cycle goes on. William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:31:15 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty Please tell me that somebody's collecting all these verses for posting on the INC. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "When you have bought your own load of hooey, you know exactly what it is worth." -- Bruce Sterling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:36:52 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) > My question is, is Essence a particle or a wave? };;;> > >===== >Michael Walton, #9805-068 Both, of course. Everything is. O:^) Although it has certain definite particle characteristics most of the time - - it comes in indivisible units and it has a fairly precise location, primarily. Hmm... trying the two-slit experiment with Essence... William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:35:36 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets > This is a well thought-out piece that manages to break a > Jordite stereotype into tiny little pieces. Thanks, Cameron! My pleasure. I love creating characters that go against the norm while still being workable. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:44:41 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Walton To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Pets > >--- Rolland Therrien wrote: >> Uh... No offense, but seeing as Animal Domestication has been >> around since >> Humankind tamed the Dogs, wouldn't have Jordi appointed >> someone to the job a long time ago? > > Not necessarily. "Domestication" and "Pets" are two very >different things (though the latter is admittedly a subset of >the former). The first domestic dogs were hunting partners and >sentries. They didn't become pets until later. True enough. But still, I'd think Jordi would've sponsored an Angel of Pets a lot sooner then the 1950s. Probably as soon as one of his servitors came back with good things to say about the idea of humans pampering animals, caring for them as they would a human family member. "Humans, cuddling and caring for animals? Jordi likes!" This brings another question in mind to me... I see Jordi as being a bit more Buddhist in his mindset nowadays: They see ALL life as equal and important, not just humans. Since Reincarnation is a possibility, does that mean it's possible for the forces in Human Souls to be partially reborn in Animal vessels? If this is so, it might be an important part of why Jordi is so defensive about Animals, since the only thing keeping them from being equal to Humans is a lack of a certain number of Forces... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:03:58 -0500 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: IN> Song of the Last Stand (Apologies if this or something very similar has already been done.) Song of the Last Stand: This rare and dangerous Song is attributed to an Ofanite of War, used in one of the large battles after the Fall. Rare, because only an Ofanite can learn this Song, and few Archangels will teach it; War, Fire, the Sword, and the Wind. Dangerous, because it is capable of destroying the vessels of several demons in one shot, but at the cost of the Ofanite's vessel. Like the Song of Thunder, it affects the three planes at once, and does not have separate forms. Also like that Song, it costs a mere 1 Essence point to use, however will drain all of the angel's remaining essence as it takes effect, and creates a rather large degree of disturbance. Performing this Song redirects the Ofanite's energies inward. It requires the angel to be utterly still while the energy focuses, until he can no longer hold it in... at which point his vessel explodes in a violent release of that energy. This causes Body hits equal to *twice* the angel's Corporeal forces plus his *total* remaining essence, plus the check digit, reducing in force by 1 point for every yard away from ground zero a vessel is. The Song does not distinguish what it hits however, so angels, undead/Saints, and humans are also vulnerable. Because it is so destructive, it also causes a disturbance equal to the check digit plus the angel's *total* forces. However, if something *bad* happens, there's a problem. On an Infernal intervention (666), the Song does not cause the angel's vessel to explode. Instead, it gives him a level of Discord (no, not dissonance. Discord.) If the angel already has *any* dissonance, he loses touch with the Symphony on this failure. A roll against his Will is now required, and a check digit of 5 or 6 gives him 3 levels of Discord, which will soon render him Outcast. A second 666 on this check dumps him straight into hell as a Calabite. Since this Song is so dangerous even for a pure and noble angel, Archangels will *never* allow a young angel to learn it. Only an angel who has proven himself repeatedly has a chance to learn this potent but deadly Song. (Read: 11 Forces and at least a Vassal distinction.) As a side note, this Song is also dangerous for the companions of the Ofanite... when he recovers from Trauma, he may brag somewhat about how many demons he sent back to their hearts. Malakim beware. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2112 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.