From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Mar 20 10:07:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08506 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:07:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA01094 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:10:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:10:50 -0600 Message-Id: <200103201610.KAA01094@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2115 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, March 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2115 In this digest: Re: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... Re: IN> Mini-Choirs Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 1: Riff and Kiki Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 1: Riff and Kiki Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Zoe Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Zoe Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Zoe IN> Songs of Rabbit Physics IN> Re: What are Shedim made of? IN> Superior Roles Re: IN> Superior Roles Re: IN> Superior Roles Re: IN> Superior Roles IN> Jesus as Norton (or would that be, 'Norton as Jesus?') Re: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... Re: IN> IN Posting 302: "Common Writing Mistakes" Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty Re: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... Re: IN> Songs of Rabbit Physics Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 2-b: Bun-Bun Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 2: Bun-Bun Re: IN> Superior Roles Re: IN> Superior Roles IN> March 18, 2001 (ML) Fwd: IN> March 18, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Superior Roles Re: IN> Superior Roles Re: IN> Superior Roles IN> IN An Ethereal Spirit idea Re: IN> Mini-Choirs Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> IN An Ethereal Spirit idea Re: IN> Curiosity about the list IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Aylee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:09:34 -0500 From: hbias@earthlink.net (Harris Bias) Subject: Re: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... >This was inspired by EDG, whom I inspired first. ^^ Nice how these cycles >work, ain't it? Geuss this means I gotta finally do my Ethereal Batman. Hey, Sean, bring LCant to work tomorrow willya? - -- G. Harris Bias hbias@earthlink.net "He had some measure of the infuriating trait that causes a young man to be a nonconformist for its own sake and found that the surest way to shock people, in those days, was to believe that some kinds of behavior were bad, and others good, and that is was reasonable to live one's life accordingly." -Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:39:18 -0500 From: "Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> Mini-Choirs > Mini-Choirs So, what we're talking here is "Jim Henson's Angel Babies?" Very amusing. Though I tend to think "Mini-Bands" would be even odder. Especially little Habballah... -Loki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:44:24 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 1: Riff and Kiki How about the fact that Riff's a sorcerer, and managed to summon "Satan" early in the series. How did Jean react to that, or did Riff just not tell him? >From: Cameron McCurry >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: In Nomine List >Subject: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 1: Riff and Kiki >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:39:15 -0500 > > Within three hours, the report came back from the field. There were >no demons at all. The entire disturbance was actually caused by a human >who had managed to create some incredible inventions with no outside >help. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:10:54 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 1: Riff and Kiki > How about the fact that Riff's a sorcerer, and managed to summon "Satan" > early in the series. How did Jean react to that, or did Riff just not tell > him? Jean might find it amusing (Somewhat), but I notice that Riff isn't using sorcery anymore. He might have wiped the knowledge from Riff altogether. And I think Michael may want a word with Riff about summoning Chuck to do battle with Satan... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:21:26 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Zoe > Zoe's a *Remnant*? > > *sniff, sob, bawl* She seems somewhat happy though aside from the constant mishaps. > > Can't we just give her a couple of lost Ethereal Forces instead? There's > got to be some other way we avoid having the Geas-hooks used to reel her > in... > > ... either that, or Lilith *has* found her, and is *letting* her stay there, > because she's unwittingly racking up the Geasa on all of her roommates... > > (Of course, if Lilith doesn't watch out, Zoe is quite likely to go Bright > without even realizing it.) Hmmm...the thing is, she'd be doing a poor job of collecting Geases on Torg and Riff. A few level 1s here and there, but she's not really *doing* anything for them beyond being a friend. And she's pretty selfless about that; she's not really doing it to get them to owe her. I think that being a Remnant strips away the Geas pretty effectively. And you've never *seen* her mother... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:38:07 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Zoe - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron McCurry" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:21 PM Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Zoe > > Zoe's a *Remnant*? > > > > *sniff, sob, bawl* > > She seems somewhat happy though aside from the constant mishaps. Yeah, but if she's a Remnant then that mean she's *dead*, and her corpse just hasn't fallen down yet. *wince* > > Can't we just give her a couple of lost Ethereal Forces instead? There's > > got to be some other way we avoid having the Geas-hooks used to reel her > > in... > > > > ... either that, or Lilith *has* found her, and is *letting* her stay there, > > because she's unwittingly racking up the Geasa on all of her roommates... > > > > (Of course, if Lilith doesn't watch out, Zoe is quite likely to go Bright > > without even realizing it.) > > Hmmm...the thing is, she'd be doing a poor job of collecting Geases on Torg > and Riff. A few level 1s here and there, but she's not really *doing* anything > for them beyond being a friend. Say what? Torg owes her his life how many times? (The "Storm Breaker" saga and a couple of Halloween parties come to mind, but there have been others...) > And she's pretty selfless about that; she's not > really doing it to get them to owe her. Hence an *amnesiac* Lilim. > I think that being a Remnant strips away the Geas pretty > effectively. And you've never *seen* her mother... Yeah, but somehow I doubt that a frantically searching Lilith would waste phone time asking her allegedly Remnant daughter if she was on drugs. For that matter, I doubt that Lilith would be searching for a Remnant *at all*... and the sudden absence of all those Geasa that she's got on Zoe tells her that Zoe is either Redeemed *and* Geas-stripped, Remnant, or dead. OTOH, a Lilim whose Heart has shattered (or just plain gone missing) but whose Geas-hooks are still active *would* pique Mother's interest... ... and as you said, it does seem like Kobal's been making poor Zoe's life just one big joke. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:53:31 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Zoe - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Glasgow" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Zoe [snip] > Hence an *amnesiac* Lilim. [snip] > OTOH, a Lilim whose Heart has shattered (or just plain gone missing) but > whose Geas-hooks are still active *would* pique Mother's interest... > > ... and as you said, it does seem like Kobal's been making poor Zoe's life > just one big joke. *twitch* You know, it just occurred to me that IN *canon* has one example of a totally amnesiac, totally innocent, totally unaware, and very very nice but a wee bit "vague" Lilim with no Geases at all remaining on her... ... Mira, the Bright-Dark-and-then-Bright-again Lilim of Dreams whom Malphas yanked the last Geas off of, Force-stripped down to one Ethereal Force, and then brain-wiped during "Final Trumpet". They had to rebuild her almost entirely from scratch, and she's not quite the same girl she used to be. Hrm.... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:07:25 -0500 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: IN> Songs of Rabbit Physics Since my last effort at uncovering a new Song went over with such overwhelming apathy, I'll try some fluff. These are developed after watching our (Cam's and mine) house rabbits in their day to day routines. http://home.earthlink.net/~aekilgore/tunznboo.html is where to find the little.... darlings.... *Coming soon, Rabbits of various Superiors. _______________________________________ Songs of Rabbit Physics These songs allow the performer to take on different aspects of domestic langomorphs. Observe house rabbits in (in)action for a few days. You’ll understand. The songs last a number of minutes equal to the check digit times the appropriate Forces. Corporeal: The Corporeal Song of Rabbit Physics allows the performer’s vessel to ignore inconvenient laws of physics, such as gravity and principles of motion. These can include leaping and turning a corner in midair, standing on tip-claws, and making the skeleton malleable. Watch a rabbit normally 8 inches long suddenly go to 12 or so. Conversely, watch a rabbit normally 14 inches long ball up to 9. (No, really.) A more warlike rabbit can also turn its skull into a battering ram. Have a 7-pound rabbit attempt to leap away and end up head-butting you in the kidneys. (Really.) Ethereal: Instant sleep. A rabbit plays hard, then suddenly flops onto her side to play dead and snooze. With no warning. Dead Bunny effect. (Really.) The Song allows the performer to instantly enter a sleep-like state while his/her spirit enters the Marches. The performer can be pulled back from these wanderings by a tummy rub or tickling the (large, fuzzy) feet. Celestial: Rabbit telepathy. A pair or herd of rabbits can hear the wishes of the Alpha and rush to serve her, and her humans rush to see to her needs. (You guessed it… Really.) This Song is used to convey the performer’s requests, wishes, orders, etc. to a familiar and willing mind, in a similar fashion to the Celestial Song of Tongues. So far, no comment has been made about the strong images of produce and face washings that lurk in the background of messages sent with this song. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:56:22 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: What are Shedim made of? > Composed of tentacular goo. ROFLMAO!! This is now canon, in my game. Cute little reliever voice: "Daddy, what are Shedim made of?" Eli: "Why, tentacular goo, honey." Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:46:05 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Superior Roles Dunno if he's been done, yet. Moe Everyone wonders about Laurence's Roles. To begin with, he maintains fewer ones than any other Superior: among other things, he simply doesn't have the time to stay away from the War very often. He never talks about them, either: while you can count on Michael chuckling over some demonic drill sergeant getting the surprise of his life, or perhaps Novalis showing off pictures of the baby she helped deliver last week, Laurence just sits there and smiles. His Servitors have learned to recognize when their Archangel is maintaining a particular Role, though, and while nobody means to blab, well, word gets out. When that happens, those interested keep an eye out for young idealism on any number of violent battlefields. Most believe that he emulates Michael and goes to be a soldier: some suspect, instead, that he becomes a police officer of some sort. They couldn't be more wrong. Somewhere in the world, there's a monastery. The actual one changes every seventy years or so, but there's always one that seems especially peaceful. The monks are particularly known for their holiness and charity, the surroundings (whether in the countryside or in a busy city) are amazingly serene, and the music that comes from it ... well, there's no other word for it than 'glorious'. And, somewhere in the middle of it all, is a monk, humble, pious and happy. Laurence never seeks to be abbot: he never even seeks to be more than a simple monk. He starts as a postulant of no particular rank or station, and goes about his days and prayers with a fervor that is no less real for having been done dozens of times before. He grows 'old' in his Role (with one or two of his most trusted Servitors to hold his place when he must put his full effort into the War), and in the process, quietly and joyfully reaffirms the faith of those around him. His fellow-monks soon learn that Brother Laurence seems to have a special understanding of the world, God, and man's relationship to both - and that he is the person to speak to when one is struggling with one's vocation. By the time that he finally dies of 'old age', he has forged links among his brethren that last even after he's gone. Not that Laurence is ever really gone: there'll always be Servitors of the Sword that will be in the area. The Archangel of the Sword may not be able to protect every Catholic institution, but by *God* he'll protect these. It may seem odd for such a ferocious warrior to devote himself so wholeheartedly to a Role dedicated to peace, but Laurence has his reasons. Doing this means that he has a constant reminder about why there's a War in the first place. You can't effectively defend something that you don't love. Being among humans, ministering to the sick, feeding the hungry, comforting the dying and bereaved, deliberately seeking a subordinate position in obedience to God's will - all of this reminds Laurence about why he loves humanity. It also allows him to serve this maddening, contradictory, wonderful species directly. Laurence misses that. There are many joys in service. The peace that he finds here stays with him when he must do war upon the Enemy. And, admittedly, it does give him a place where he can sit and _think_ without too much distraction. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:14:39 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles >>Michael.> >Good heavens, this list is having a good week. I'm >saving this. Especially the part about the drill >instructor; you're right, wouldn't you like to be a >fly on the wall and see the expression ... >The best part is, even if the demon isn't a >Balseraph, no one will *believe* him when he gets out >of Trauma. I agree. This was good stuff, Chuck. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:53:47 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles > I agree. This was good stuff, Chuck. :) I got a compliment from *Moe*? I can die happy now. :) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:56:08 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 02:04:35 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles >Christopher I liked this, but one thing... > They have a few seconds to realize who it is that >they have angry at them before they are back at their >Hearts. And in those few seconds, they gain some >insight as to how much pain and terror they inflicted >on the helpless. It gives them something to mull >over as they heal. Chris lets them live? Personally, I've always imagined the AA of Children as the one person you _don't_ betray - and God help you if you harm any kid in his presence, because Chris simply won't stop coming after you until you're a cloud of slowly expanding Forces. He won't care about political considerations, about existing complications or whether it's expedient to just let you go: he will simply, ruthlessly obliterate you, and anybody who knowingly raises a hand in your defense. It's a Cherub thing. At least, that's how I've always imagined him. YMMV. :) Moe PS: Sorry. I really did like this writeup: I've just been meaning to spout off on Chris. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:59:13 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Jesus as Norton (or would that be, 'Norton as Jesus?') Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:39:02 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> IN Posting 302: "Common Writing Mistakes" (I'm ripping my own stuff apart, so don't worry) At 8:29 PM -0800 3/18/01, Bevan Thomas wrote: >>Heh. I actually thought it might have been a >>particularly bizarre and non-canonical Jesus, since >>Jesus's name in Hebrew is Joshua (or Yeshua to be >>exact), and it sorta matched. >To be honest, I assumed it was Jesus too -- >especially with the part of throwing away the given >name in lieu of the Surname. That resonated -- the >idea of the Christ supplanting Jesus the man. Heh. I seem to have unknowingly tapped into something, here. Anybody actually want to work with this? :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:00:28 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:11:52 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... Good Lord, get this up somewhere - or, heck, write a Pyramid article. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:08:22 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> IN Posting 302: "Common Writing Mistakes" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:33:31 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: Re: IN> IN Posting 302: "Common Writing Mistakes" (I'm ripping my own stuff apart, so don't worry) >This was my first thought as well. Jesus would have >been cooler too. Good to know that one can >occasionally overestimate Moe :) Phbbbth. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:14:33 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Moe's little ditty OK, I've snagged FallenSeraph's and Michael Walton's (both of which were cool). Who's next? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:15:15 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... - -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Lane To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:11:52 -0500 >From: "Rolland Therrien" > >Subject: IN> Truth, Justice and the Heavenly way... > >Good Lord, get this up somewhere - or, heck, write a >Pyramid article. :) Now there's an idea... Shame I don't have a copy of Aberrant, though. >=) - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:18:10 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Songs of Rabbit Physics You WOULD send this one out during a Sluggy IN discussion; I was reading this and wondering which version covered a bunny producing a switchblade on demand... :) Come to think of it, who would come up with these relatively "useless" Songs in IN (for a canon example of this, the ornamental Numinous Corpus Songs)? Given the amazing amount of effort it seems to require to research a new Song according to Liber Canticorum, one wonders why a celestial of either side would bother. Maybe it's a pride thing; discovering any Song at all is a mark of distinction for the creator's abilities, even if it's not a practical one (even in Hell, sometimes image is enough (especially with Nybbas)). Actually, my mind is now considering a Heaven-based story seed; imagine a contest (call it the Recital) held every hundred years or so where angels show off new Songs they've developed. The PCs, attending to cheer on one of their Heaven-assigned friends or demonstrate their own works, must assist when one Song performance shows... unforseen side effects (GM cleverness of course encouraged here ("Oh, so THAT'S what the Song of Hell does..." :))). Hell could of course have something similar sponsered by Nybbas, with of course the added fun of demons working to sabotage the performances of others (the PCs might even be sent in by their Superior(s) to ensure a favorite succeeds... or an enemy does not...). I'm afraid my creativity is suffering due to all the papers I've been grading just now (thank God this is my last semester of TAing!) so I can't think of anything more specific, but I'm sure that's enough for people to run with in their own ways... :) - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:21:16 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 2-b: Bun-Bun OK, now let's get ridiculous. Bun-Bun: Archangel Laurence in a rabbit suit doing a deep undercover Role as a "ripe candidate for Falling". No. *Really*. That's the reason Bun-Bun acts like such a caricature sometimes. Laurence is not exactly the Symphony's best actor, neither does he have an in-depth understanding of Evil. His knowledge of Evil is vast, but only on the *surface*. So when he tries to "act like an Evil person", he ends up coming across as a 'toon. And it gives a whole new perspective on that Switchblade O'Doom(tm), doesn't it? I'll shut up now. *g* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:29:13 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Sluggy Part 2: Bun-Bun >> The only terrifying thing about Bun-Bun as an angel, even an Outcast one, >> is the thought of what he could be like if he actually Fell and became >> WORSE... > >Actually, the main reason Bun-Bun hasn't Fallen yet is because if he Fell, >he'd be working for a Superior again. Bun-Bun actively *avoids* Falling... >this explains his (very) rare impulses towards good deeds. Not necessarily; I gather new demons are recruited, not automatically on Hell's side (certainly I understand the fallen Grigori didn't join up). Still, being a demon next to somebody Jean's interested in is not a recipe for a happy (or long) life. >> (I'm thinking Lucifer supplanted by the next day and Armageddon >> the day after that :)). > >Not hardly. Bun-Bun may be fearsome in combat, but he's *not* unbeatable. >(Aylee has stalemated him at least twice, and Bun-Bun has gone well *out* of >his way to avoid messing with Oasis.) > >Plus, Bun-Bun isn't the most devious person in the world. Zoe has faked him >right out of his socks. Heck, *Torg* has outsmarted him. > >And then there's the infamous... > >"Holy c**p. I think I just got outsmarted by Sam." Hey, any angel can roll 666 sometimes :). >If Bun-Bun went to Hell, he'd probably enter the service of Hardcore and >then gut Furfur and take his Princedom in a heartbeat. Competition on that >level, he's more than ready for. But supplanting the *Lightbringer*? >Bun-Bun hasn't got the smarts. True; I suppose he'd take a while to move beyond Princedom (although if Fufur could do it, I'm certain Bun-Bun could make Prince relatively fast). Of course, he'd have to fight off the advances of the Demon Princess of Cute; if Lucifer assigned him to her service I imagine Bun-Bun would wind up ripping his own Forces apart to end the pain :). - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:35:29 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles From: "Maurice Lane" > They have a few seconds to realize who it is that >they have angry at them before they are back at their >Hearts. And in those few seconds, they gain some >insight as to how much pain and terror they inflicted >on the helpless. It gives them something to mull >over as they heal. <> Does he have a choice? As far as I can tell, there is effectively no way to soul-kill a celestial who won't step out of a Vessel, even for a Superior. I could be wrong, of course. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:46:28 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: IN> Superior Roles > Dunno if he's been done, yet. > > Moe > > Everyone wonders about Laurence's Roles. [snip] Moe, where do you find characterization depth like this, and who do I have to shoot to get some for myself? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:49:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> March 18, 2001 (ML) Somebody suggested that Sheila's Day is somebody else's birthday, so I'll go with that. If someone can tell me what it actually is, I'll come up with something else later. :) Moe Song of Birthdays (Corporeal) This Song, when performed upon someone, will reveal his or her physical birth date. There is no roll to resist. One may wonder why, in point of fact, anyone would bother learning this Song. In fact, Soldiers and celestials love it: it reveals the physical age of a body (or vessel), _not_ how old the controlling entity is - and it ignores Roles completely. The Corporeal Song of Entropy will not help, either: the Song determines the exact point in time in which a particular body came to life, and artificial aging methods will not confuse it. Considering that most vessels aren't 'aged', this can indicate quite handily whether or not one is facing a human or celestial. Undead can also be detected this way, sometimes. Unfortunately, the ability to pierce through illusions like this comes with a price: the Song is neither quiet nor cheap. Essence Cost: 6 Degree of Disturbance: 3x the check digit. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:34:00 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Fwd: IN> March 18, 2001 (ML) > >Song of Birthdays (Corporeal) > >This Song, when performed upon someone, will reveal >his or her physical birth date. There is no roll to >resist. > Song of Birthdays (Celestial) Cost: 1 Essence Disturbance: None When this version of the Song is targeted at a mortal, the singer will learn the date of the victim's death -- assuming no celestial intervention. This date will be accurate down to the second, but will not include any information about the manner of death. If targeted at a celestial or ethereal, the Song automatically fails; and for saints or undead, the singer gets the date of the targets most recent death ... Kronos likes to hardwire this into Impudites who have particularly caught his attention (never a good thing), so that it goes off automatically whenever the Taker steals Essence froma mortal. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:39:55 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles > Personally, I've always imagined the AA of Children as > the one person you _don't_ betray - and God help you > if you harm any kid in his presence You know, I considered that myself shortly after sending it out. I had read your references to Christopher on your page and it made a lot of sense. In fact, I play a Malakim of Christopher's in World Weavers and you gave me some good ideas to work with on his personality. Ah well. Chalk it up to human error on my part. Glad you liked it otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:39:48 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles *refrains from dripping tears on keyboard* Moe, you've done it again. Janet _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:41:56 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Roles >I liked this, but one thing... > > > They have a few seconds to realize who it is that > >they have angry at them before they are back at their > >Hearts. And in those few seconds, they gain some > >insight as to how much pain and terror they inflicted > >on the helpless. It gives them something to mull > >over as they heal. > >Chris lets them live? I was assuming this was a demon in Corporeal form. Of course, if he's Celestial or goes Celestial, oh, well ... Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:12:36 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> IN An Ethereal Spirit idea Ethereal Spirits have the distressing ability to simply pop up spontaneously without rhyme or reason. This is a big source of irritation to the Tsayadim, who are doing their best to keep their population down to non-existent. But those humans just keep coming up with new ones almost daily it seems. It all started innocently enough. A poor single mother, living on welfare in the UK and doing everything she could to keep her daughter fed. To entertain her, she read the little girl stories at night that she made up. It might have ended there, but the woman began to quietly flesh the stories out even more. She began sitting in a local cafe with a notebook and wrote out a fantastic tale of magic and heroism. With nothing to lose, she submitted the story to a publisher and hoped for the best. As luck would have it, a Servitor of Yves was working the desk at the time the manuscript was sent in. It was about to be filed away and forgotten when he decided to sit down on his lunch break and read it. The angel ended up taking a longer break than he expected. The book was incredible. He decided that he was going to get this one published and God help the poor fools who tried to get in the way! Within a couple of months, the world learned of the name JK Rowling and the tales of Harry Potter. There was precious little notice at first; she was the author of *children's* books and could hardly be taken seriously by *true* writers. When The Sorcerer's Stone shot to the top of the best seller list, people began to take her seriously. Heaven had rather mixed feelings about this. The children were captivated by this story and it reeked of Infernal influence. After all, it created a new Ethereal spirit so quickly and told tales of Sorcery. Laurence was ready to dispatch a group of angels to remove the author and her influence when Yves himself barged into his office. He made it very clear that the woman was not to be harmed and that she was not under Diabolical control. Even the Lord Commander of the Host knew better than to argue the issue with the Archangel of Destiny. In Hell, there was a great deal of outrage amongst the demons of Media. A noticeable drop in television watching and video game playing amongst the children was cutting into profits. Nybbas was furious. This..this...person had the *GALL* to write a book and keep children away from the important things in life like the latest Pokemon episode?!? It was time to discredit her and it had to be done NOW! Almost overnight, "Concerned Parent Groups" were trying to get people to stop buying the books, citing the "Satanic Influence" amongst the kids and going so far as to quote the Bible (Laurence's rage at that last bit was so great that the various angels who were seeking an audience that day decided to be elsewhere for a while). To the dismay of the Servitors of the Media, they had no luck in swaying people to their side. And as if that wasn't bad enough, a movie is being made on this story and the author hasn't been swayed to the Infernal side by any of the sudden fame and riches. And on the Ethereal side, a spirit by the name of Harry Potter was born in the chaos of all of this. He's quite innocent but growing in power as quickly as his counterpart in the book. However, he has no desire to be worshipped and he loathes demons in general. Heaven is keeping an eye on him to make sure that he doesn't become a danger, but so far they have not had any reason to act against him. In the meantime, Blandine has taken a liking to Harry because of dreams that children have about his adventures. She's gone so far as to have a pair of Cherubim look after him (Harry thinks that it's Dumbledore and Hagrid, so he feels comfortable around him), Christopher has given VERY strict instructions to his angels that Harry is not to be harmed. And back on Earth, JK Rowling continues to write her books, bring delight to children and continue on to her Destiny. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:13:45 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Mini-Choirs Rolland Therrien wrote: > Mini-Lillim are extremely rare, however, and no one knows how they > come about. Rumor has it a Lillim has to Geas a Malakite to bind > his forces with hers, however. It sounds like rumor is forgetting the essentially asexual nature of celestials, even Lilim. Any two Lilim would do, no matter what gender they habitually used. Of course, there still might be no Mini-Lilim. If it takes two celestials of the same choir/band *and* a Superior of that choir/band, as Beth stipulated, then no can do; there are no Lilim Superiors (at least in canon); Lilith herself isn't a Lilim, she's human. > Demons of Lust are also infamous for creating Mini-Bands to satisfy > *Ahem* "other" needs... These must be the masochistic demons of Lust, who like getting Force-stripped. (Becoming a parent, for a celestial, is more like becoming a mother than becoming a father, i.e. painful.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:20:58 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> March 14, 2001 (ML) Marc Bowden wrote: > Question. Standard space geometry has a positive curve. I've always > wondered if that has something to do with the "essence balance" > between Heaven and Hell. I'm not sure what you mean by "standard" space, but Euclidean space has zero curvature. The inflationary model of big-bang cosmology also has zero curvature, and does the real cosmos, to the best of current observational ability. > And if someone can remind me what a negative curve looks like, I'd > appreciate it - I'm blanking. A triangle constructed in space with negative curvature has LESS than 180 degrees as the sum of its angles. Trying to keep this somewhere near IN, I'd give Heaven a negative curvature, if anything, because negative spaces are "more spacious" than the other two; a cubical box one foot on an edge contains MORE than one cubic foot in negative space, there's more room to roam, etc. Hell, contrariwise, should have a positive curvature. Also, the most obvious positive geometries are all "closed," finite and curling back on themselves, which gibes with Hell as a prison. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:52:11 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> IN An Ethereal Spirit idea Cameron McCurry wrote: > The angel ended up taking a longer break than he expected. The book > was incredible. He decided that he was going to get this one > published and God help the poor fools who tried to get in the way! I can see a Destiny angel taking an interest in it, though not because of its literary merit. It's a nice children's fantasy, as is the second in the series (which is as far as I've read), but there are lots of such books out there just as good. What would attract the Destiny angel's eye would be the potential the book had (for whatever reason) to spark the imaginations of millions of children. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:04:12 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: Re: IN> Curiosity about the list > How many people on this list have met each other in person? Well, let's see... Rumor has it that Genevieve stood up in my wedding. This rumor has been unconfirmed, as men in black broke into my home and confiscated all pictures of her maybe, possibly, smiling. You are not cleared for that citizen. Rumor also has it that Sean McCarthy did not sleep in Eric's closet, although other people did. It was a big closet! (We miss that closet. Sniff.) Of course, these are all rumors, as I am nothing more than a highly sophisticated PERL script. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emily K. Dresner-Thornber -- http://www.nodonut.com/zenith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew B. Gerber" Subject: IN> In Nomine Sluggy: Aylee Aylee Ethereal Spirit It had to happen. Considering that the events around Jean's favorite () apartment had managed to summon Demons, summon Archangels (Christopher still won't talk about that Quake game) and generally play fast and loose with the boundaries of reality, it was only a matter of time before it became home ground for an Ethereal. Aylee started out pretty simply: she was a typical member of a very minor pantheon, the general fan conception of the Hostile Space Alien. She was *good* at it. She ate people, quickly, messily, without a whole lot of fuss. She burst out of people's chests. She knew to go after the extras first. And she looked menacing. Oh, she was good at the looking menacing part. Then things got complicated. Riff's (it's *always* Riff, isn't it) latest invention, the Dimensional Flux Agitator, managed to drop the poor thing out of the Marches with Riff and Torg, when they escaped. Yes, that was the Marches. The Dimensional Flux Agitator isn't the most stable or predictable piece of Technol--er, technology on Earth, you know. (How did she wind up with a Vessel in the process? Dunno. Let me check my notes.) Of course, she was immediately totally out of her element. There weren't any metal walls. There weren't any people pointing guns at her. The clothing wasn't made of Spandex and odd bits of plastic. There was a big glowing *yellow* thing in the *sky*. None of this was supposed to happen. Poor Aylee was *incredibly* confused. So when she found out Torg needed a secretary, she said "sure". When the report came back to Jean, of course, the Malakim regular to the case *instantly* started getting.... twitchy. He was just about to tell them to go forth and let out a little of that pent-up Malakite stress (quite logical, you see; Servitors *do* need to get to do what they so love doing once in awhile, after all) when Yves stopped by and whispered something to him quietly. Rumor is that Jean hasn't spoken to Yves since. Aylee's spent ever since then getting to know the rest of the apartment's inhabitants--and being redefined by them. Bun-Bun decided to leave her alone since she quickly became selectively docile, and it'd be more trouble than it was worth to take her down. (And, though he'd cheerfully rip several of your internal organs out before admitting it, he respects her since she's fought him to a scoreless tie once already--even Outcast War-types appreciate someone able to deliver a good butt-whuppin'.) The "Consume human being whole" Rite was a big problem for a *long* time, but recently, she got rid of that too. *Nobody's* sure why it turned into "Consume twenty pounds of potatoes." Some of Jean's higher Distincted swear (quietly) that they've heard him mutter "I don't want to know." What? You want to know where she got a variant of the Corporeal Song of Lightning? Dunno. Let me check my notes. Matt ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2115 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.