From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Mar 28 16:16:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01693 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:16:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA11327 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:21:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:21:53 -0600 Message-Id: <200103282221.QAA11327@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2129 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, March 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2129 In this digest: Re: IN> Leitmotiv, Dominic: A Dirty Job... Re: IN> I need a Word... Re: IN> I need a Word... IN> Scientology (was Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II)) Re: IN> Insurrection. 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Re: IN> Limbo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:35:29 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Leitmotiv, Dominic: A Dirty Job... - -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Lane To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: Re: IN> Leitmotiv, Dominic: A Dirty Job... >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:10:56 -0500 >From: "Rolland Therrien" > >Subject: IN> Leitmotiv, Dominic: A Dirty Job... >> >>Talk about coincidences, I had just finished writing >>this story when I get Beth's answer to my Questions. >>Well, it's kinda late now, so I'll submit the story >>now, presenting my own take on Dominic's character. >> >>Leitmotiv: A Dirty Job...A Character Study of >> >>Dominic, Archangel of Judgement >> >>By Rolland Therrien > >I quite liked it ... but I can see why others won't. >It's as Bright as Hell, if you'll pardon the pun / >oxymoron / irony / whatever. I guess I'm just a bright kinda guy at heart. ^^ I tend to see all the Archangels as good and well intentioned at heart, if only for different reasons and with different methods. Dominic, I reasonned, is no exception. He's effectively charged with the dirtiest job in Heaven, which is to look for Heresy and to deal with it. It's not a job he likes to do. Heck, who would love doing such a job? Being a Most Holy, who knows the Truth that God made the Heavens perfect, who has to keep looking for the ones who prove that Truth wrong... And then there's the fact that All Angels basically love one another to some extent, and Dominic, both because of his function and the fact he can't allow himself to get close to anyone (Justice has to be Blind), is more or less ostracized from his fellow Angels. He'd probably love to get on his knees and beg for Gabriel's forgiveness for humiliating her, but he can't allow himself to make Judgement look weak in character. He's essentially sacrificing whatever social life he could probably have in order to perfom his sacred duty. >The "Liber Perdito" was a nice touch, though*. :) Thanks. I figured that, not the laws of Heaven, were the primary motivation for Dominic's actions: The memory of Lucifer's fall. That was essentially Dominic's first and biggest failure. As Angel of Judgement, he should've evaluated Lucifer's flaws of character much sooner. But he failed, and he was even -nearly- swayed over to the Lightbringer's side. He believes he was unattentive. He believes he was weak. He believes he could've prevented the fall, had he not allowed Lucifer to run around unchecked. And then there were the Grigori, who basically turned their backs to Heaven and to their duties, succumbing to the temptations of the flesh, and to their selfish desires to have families and children. And in the process, bred monstrous Nephallim. Dominic didn't want to cast them ALL out, but he had no choice but to call for God's Judgement, and God's Judgement was Casting Out. Dominic believes he failed here as well, because even his OWN Grigori servitors, assigned to keep watch on the rest, either joined the others in Sin, or simply failed to keep the others in check. These memories of failure haunts him. they drive him onward. He won't allow another Lightbringer to start a selfish revolt in Heaven. He won't allow another Angel to walk away from Heaven to pursue his selfish desires. This is why he's so adament with bringing Eli back. In his mind, it's the Grigori debacle revisited. He failed to stop the Grigori before they fell from grace, but he will not fail with Eli. As for the Self-loathing element, I figure Dominic keeps blaming himself for every single Angel's who's ever Fallen or been Cast Out ("If only we'd find them sooner..."), so he has a very low opinion of himself. This is probably why he favors Catholicism as a religion, since self-pitying is nearly a virtue in the faith (I'm Catholic raised myself, so I'm allowed to say that). >*And the kitten. I must work in Eric's kitten myself, >somehow, although I favor the name "Justinian" (or >maybe "Hammurabi"). > >Oh well, maybe Dominic can't decide, either. :) Actually, Hammurabi was gonna be my first choice for a name, except I couldn't remember the guy's name. ^^! Solomon was my second choice, so I went with it. And yes, I love the idea of Dominic having a pet kitten. Maybe that's why I have such a Bright opinion of him. That, and the fact I always root for the unloved underdogs... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:54:12 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> I need a Word... >Specifically, an Angelic Word that: > >a), is evocative of the Word of Publicity Stunts, but > >b), won't cause a Seraph's brain to explode out of his skull. The Angel of Demonstrations? (This is how the product Truly works?) * * * * * Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:53:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> I need a Word... On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > Specifically, an Angelic Word that: > > a), is evocative of the Word of Publicity Stunts, but > > b), won't cause a Seraph's brain to explode out of his > skull. Why not just "Publicity"? Or "Raising Awareness"? - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! We're the only HONEST church. We tell you we want your money. The OTHER churches say "god" wants your money. It's a lie. They can't even admit they're gonna take that cash and buy hookers with it! We buy hookers AND show you the pictures! -- Sister Decadence ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 2001 17:52:58 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> Scientology (was Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II)) On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:38:10 -0800 (PST) Maurice Lane wrote: >From: Cameron McCurry >Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) > >> Thank God no one has even tried suggesting Ron >>Hubbard. *shudder* >Well, I _won't_ be, from either angle. much as i can't take Scientology seriously on account of its origins as a bet between authors, i'm not going to diss someone else's faith, especially when (properly adhered to) it advocates a peaceful society. the way the followers of Scientology have frequently used litigation to smeer and bankrupt their theological opponents and detractors is neither here nor there, and is so off-topic i'm going to shut up now.... ;) -=|horsefly|=- "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." --Voltaire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Insurrection. Nasty. Let's just hope they can keep it going. It's a shame when one is unable to maintain an insurrection... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:17:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Drac/Frank&Wolfy... - --- cassandra benner wrote: > mmmmm, but that would change the way the classical 3some (and > others) were > viewed and the trio would thus change to nicer guys A small price to pay for not fading away altogether. > Also, i was thinking, if an ethereal was in a vessal and got > beaten up sooo > badly would they go to limbo and lose the force or would they > be weak things left in the marches cowering from the malakim? If an Ethereal is Vessel-killed, they return to the Marches and go to into Trauma (which lasts for weeks instead of days for them) unless they have no spare Vessels, in which case they go to Limbo. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:19:36 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Leitmotiv, Dominic: A Dirty Job... >I guess I'm just a bright kinda guy at heart. ^^ I >tend to see all the Archangels as good and well >intentioned at heart, if only for different reasons >and with different methods. I completely agree. I've noticed that most of the people on this list are more inclined toward Dark or Low Contrast games than Bright ones. (Moe, of course, does this just long enough to get me off my guard and then comes up with something like his recent Laurence article.) I also believe that by definition Archangels = good; problems arise when their individual personalities and Words define their concept of "good." Dominic, as you say, is no exception. His intentions are indeed good and exactly as they should be. The fact that he's obnoxious does not invalidate that fact. He'd probably love to get on his >knees and beg for Gabriel's forgiveness for >humiliating her, but he can't allow himself to make >Judgement look weak in character. Now, this I don't agree with. He's a Seraph and he's Judgement. Either of these should enable him to say "I was wrong" when and if he is. >Solomon was my second choice, so I went with it. I think Solomon is exactly the right name. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> An interesting Angel - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Cleo > Cherub of Blandine Interesting. > Special Rite: > * Spend an hour having consensual sex > > * Cleo is a balanced starting character save for her rite > which is an addition I can't see Blandine having any real problem with this, but Cleo would definitely be under observation by Judgement. As written, I'm sure that this angel meets with the approval of several of the frustrated artistic types on this list (many of whom may wonder where she was when they needed her!). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:24:57 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> I need a Word... - --On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:53 PM -0500 "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > >> Specifically, an Angelic Word that: >> >> a), is evocative of the Word of Publicity Stunts, but >> >> b), won't cause a Seraph's brain to explode out of his >> skull. > > Why not just "Publicity"? Or "Raising Awareness"? > Or the word of "hawking"? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite ANgel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:28:09 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Materialist Box - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > The Materialist Box > (The Box of Nicolo Thomas) There is a Star Trek novel called _Vendetta_ in which someone manages to get control of one of the planet-destroying weapons featured in the episode "The Doomsday Machine." That person then proceeds to use this weapon in her private crusade. This Artifact strikes me as the primary ingredient in the same sort of scenario. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> March 26, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > This might not be necessary, or wanted, in some > campaigns. Sobeit. > > Scroll of Zoroaster / Book of Crowley May not be necessary, but definitely wanted IMC! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:37:23 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> March 28, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Morgan > Kyriotate of Destiny Good thing you put the disclaimer first, or I would've said that Morgan's writing skill is way too low. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:56:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Another new angel One wonders what this chap has got in mind, His plan, I think, it is a blatant try To put his fellow listers in a bind And make us write out sonnets in reply. Once more the short Black man is sorely vexed To see Moetic License rise of late. Who knows what stuff Maurice will think of next -- But still, good Michael rises to the bait. This sonnet angel, I can clearly see, Is meant to bring a taste of gentle art Not seen within the usual NPC, In RPG's, too often not a part. "'Tis frivolous," you say? I say, "So what?" There's more to gaming's lure than blood and strife. While some like conflict, some prefer deep thought; 'Tis most in peace that art does mirror life. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:31:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> March 28, 2001 (PK) When The Swallows Return.... ___ Hirondiel Ofanite of Animals Seneschel of San Juan Capistrano Corporeal Forces: 5 (Strength 8, Agility 12) Ethereal Forces: 4 (Intelligence 7, Precision 9) Celestial Forces: 5 (Will 10, Perception 10) Word-Forces: 5 Vessels: Human Male/4 (White, 40s), Swallow/6 Skills: Acrobatics/4, Detect Lies/2, Dodge/3, Driving/2, Emote/5, Fast-Talk/3, Fighting/5, Knowledge (Avians/3, Area:SJC/5), Languages (English/4*, Spanish/2), Lying/4, Ranged Weapon (Pistol/2), Running/2, Tactics/2 Songs: Banishing (Corporeal/2), Beasts (Ethereal/1), Entropy (Ethereal/1, Celestial/3), Healing (Corporeal/3), Might (Corporeal/2, Celestial/2), Motion (Corporeal/4, Ethereal/2, Celestial/5), Nemesis (Celestial/2), Numinous Corpus (Claws/3, Wings/3), Sanctity (Ethereal/4, Celestial/4), Thunder/2 Attunements and Distinctions: Ofanite of Animals, Animal Magnetism, Friend of Beasts, Seneschel of San Juan Capistrano Discord/Dissonance: None ___ Eirosael Ofanite of Animals Angel of Swallows Corporeal Forces: 6 (Strength 12, Agility 12) Ethereal Forces: 5 (Intelligence 9, Precision 11) Celestial Forces: 5 (Will 9, Perception 11) Word-Forces: 8 Vessels: Human female/3 (Spanish, 60s), Swallow/4, Wolf/3 Skills: Artistry (Painting/3), Climbing/1, Dodge/5, Escape/2, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Avian Physiology/3, Avian Psychology/2), Medicine/4, Move Silently/3, Running/3, Singing/2, Survival/3, Swimming/2, Tracking/3 Songs: Beasts (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/2), Direction (Celestial/3), Form (Ethereal/2), Motion (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/2, Celestial/3), Shields (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/3), Sight (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/4, Celestial/2), Sleep (Ethereal/3), Speed (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/1, Celestial/2), Storms (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/4, Celestial/1) Attunements and Distinctions: Ofanite of Animals, Malakite of Animals, Friend of Beasts, Call of the Wild, Angel of Swallows Special Ability: Eirosael may communicate telepathically with any Swallow within eyesight, at no cost, including seeing what the Swallow sees. Discord/Dissonance: None ___ Sometimes kids just can't play nice together. Set the wayback machine for many many (many) moons ago.... The potential for a tether had been forming gradually, over the years, at San Juan Capistrano. Its location, climate, and something ineffable about the place caused more and more swallows to gather there every year. It was not an unlikely coincidence that Hirondiel, a contender for the Word of Swallows, was nearby when the potential Tether blossomed into life. He quickly summoned Jordi to stabilize it, who offered him the position of Seneschel. Deciding that he'd be happy enough with this promotion, Hirondiel accepted. About a decade later, Eirosael was chosen for the Word of Sparrows, and set up residence nearby, where the two became friends. Back to the present.... Hirondiel and Eirosael are no longer friends. In fact, they can't even stand to be in the same town as each other. Hirondiel had a long time to reflect, and has come to feel cheated out of his rightful Word of Sparrows. Eirosael has come to see Hirondiel as a pea-brained whiner; more of a fighter than a guardian, and certainly not fit to hold such an important and crucial Word as Swallows. They're both forced to share an area every year, when the swallows return to Capistrano, but keep a respectable distance from each other. It's been this way for a long, long time. Until just recently, when Eirosael's Heart shattered. Considering that he had no Dissonance and no Discord, the most likely assumption is that he was soul-killed. His last known location was (of course) in Capistrano, where - to the best of the Host's knowledge - no demons and no angels, except its Seneschel, reside. And the eyes of Heaven slow turn toward Hirondiel. Hirondiel, for his part, claims to have no idea where Eirosael was when it happened - it's no secret that the two of them avoided each other; he has gone out of his way *not* to keep track of his choirmate. The odd thing, however, is when Seraphim resonate the Wheel... it fuzzes. Fuzzes in the same manner as when a Superior is involved in something. He seems to be telling the truth (*probably*... maybe, at least), but the Truth is nowhere in sight. Interrogating (and resonating) Hirondiel's tether help - Juan Mavrides, a Soldier; George Harrisburg, an aware human; Linda Harrisburg, his aware human wife; and Eygorsal, a reliever in a cat vessel - - will reveal that they know nothing about it... no fuzzing. No other angels are known to be in the area, though the GM may throw some Windies or other angels into the mix to complicate things. There may very well be demons in the area, but Hell isn't offering up their list of agents. (See below for more on local demons.) At any rate, the first suspect is going to be Hirondiel, who will call in any friends he might have to help him clear his name. The PCs can be those friends, or assistants to (or members of) the Triad sent to investigate. Hirondiel will be very scared, and will insist that he has nothing to do with any of this. He will volunteer the full services of his Tether and himself toward the investigation, and will offer to use his contacts in town to turn up any information that may be needed. Hopefully the PCs will discover the true murderer.... ___ WHODUNNIT? Sometime it's amazing how insane a celestial can go over the years, without actually accumulating any Discord. Hirondiel had been plotting Eirosael's death for many, many years, somehow thinking that that would make him eligable for "promotion" into the Word of Swallows. The only thing stopping him was fear of getting caught... this held him at bay for several years. Until Malphas found out. The Prince of Factions visited the Wheel in person, offering his services at Hirondiel's disposal. Smoothly talking the angel into murder, Malphas first cloaked Hirondiel in his "protection", knowing that no Seraph could penetrate the will of a Superior. A Superior could penetrate it, of course. This is why Hirondiel's main priority when the investigation begins is to find as many red herrings and scapegoats as he can. This will be up to the GM. Add whatever demons will best suit your campaign and party. Tie in other angels that the party knows. Bring over events from previous adventures. If played ideally, the PCs should be looking *everywhere* for the murderer... all with Hirondiel right at their side, helping in whatever way he can. Eventually, he'll be found out. Apparently, he hasn't thought about that, yet. Eventually, Dominic *will* have to get involved. Malphas is watching for that, and will withdraw his protection completely from Hirondiel. The only one who's getting away from one this clean is the Prince of Factions. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Punctuality, regularity, discipline, industry, thoroughness, are a set of slave virtues." -- G. D. H. Cole ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 2001 20:26:22 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) Moe Lane wrote: >BTW, we need some women in the Cadre: well, there's St. Mary of course, working for Jean in his ethics department, but she tends to visit Yves' Library rather often as well. Dominic is not happy with the fact that her work has spawned at least three different versions of the same Ethereal, and not a few variants of another, but it's not like she was *trying* to make Ethereals while she was alive. she was writing a social commentary that got misunderstood, that's all. nowadays, she's deeply involved in the cloning controversy, and helping to make sure this is all human-run stuff on the up-and-up, lest Hell take her worst fears and make them manifest on the human race. -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:53:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) - -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > well, there's St. Mary of course, working for Jean in his ethics department, but she tends to visit Yves' Library rather often as well. > Dominic is not happy with the fact that her work has spawned at least > three different versions of the same Ethereal, and not a few variants > of another, but it's not like she was *trying* to make Ethereals while > she was alive. she was writing a social commentary that got > misunderstood, that's all. I'm sorry, I can't identify her. What's St. Mary's full name? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:59:55 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) *chuckle* mary shelly, author of -frankenstein-=a new prometheus= > >I'm sorry, I can't identify her. What's St. Mary's full name? > >Earl Cass *we gladly feast apon those who would subdue us* =addams family motto= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:47:44 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Another new angel Creation is a process and an art: A noun, a finished product we transact In payment for our toil: a single act Which we attempt to classify apart As though it could be wholly separate From all that is, that has been, that will be -- Dividing lines between the world and me In that I am the work that I create. There is a pattern that we cannot know; A word is spoken which we cannot hear; Our tiny self-creations -- oh, how dear -- Are links in chains beyond where we can go. And, fractal in their curves through time and space, Are measureless in glory and in grace. - --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:21:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> St. Edward's Oaths (Plus Underwear) At 11:29 PM -0500 3/27/01, Mike Bruner wrote: >>I've got a more "acceptable" one here: "By Novalis' Naughty Nickers!" >>*Nickers being a British term for Underwear* (Knickers. As in, "Don't get your knickers in a twist." Or so my mother taught me.) >Dominic of course has a set of >briefs with a special 6 foot iron pole attachment (unless of course his >lack of underwear is the secret he's hiding under those robes :)). Why wear underwear when you're a winged snake? O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:24:55 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Leitmotiv, Dominic: A Dirty Job... At 10:11 PM -0800 3/27/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >*And the kitten. I must work in Eric's kitten myself, >somehow, although I favor the name "Justinian" (or >maybe "Hammurabi"). > >Oh well, maybe Dominic can't decide, either. :) Paraquote: "The first is the one that the family use daily, such as Peter, Agustus, Alonzo, or James. [...] All of them sensible, everyday names." "But a cat needs a name that's paticular, a name that's peculiar, and more dignified. Else how can he hold up his tail perpendicular, or spread out his whiskers, or cherish his Pride?" "But above and beyond, there's still one name left over, and that is the name that you never will guess..." *ahem* So why should the cat not have more than one name, anyway? O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:38:12 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> I need a Word... At 7:27 AM -0800 3/28/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >Specifically, an Angelic Word that: > >a), is evocative of the Word of Publicity Stunts, but > >b), won't cause a Seraph's brain to explode out of his >skull. Public Relations? (With an angelic twist.) Good Publicity? Marketing (okay, so the last three holders Fell; Marc's working on getting a Malakite for the next one...) Getting The Word Out? - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:41:01 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN origins At 4:20 PM -0500 3/28/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: >So, why was the damage system changed at all? Because the d666 system was >changed? Why was the d666 system changed? Because forces were added and >the characteristics were changed? Because SJGames doesn't believe in social >attributes? ??? Since I got involved long all the playtests and whatnot, I have no idea. [And I'm forwarding the GURPS stuff to ze Busy Spouse, while pondering some GIN CelCombat notions. At the moment, I'm pondering the idea of breaking it out into Body/Mind/Soul and having something like "1d3 to determine which is affected, and then 1d6 is removed from the affected attribute(s)."] - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:26:03 -0500 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> March 27, 2001 (ML) >Smell the Breeze (Animals) > >The angel has an olfactory sense comparable to that of >a bloodhound: this can be very useful, in a great >number of ways. When dealing with humans, this >Attunement provides a +4 to the Tracking and Detect >Lies (the angel can smell fear) skills: also, with a >Perception roll the angel may determine a human's >basic emotional state at that moment. > >Celestials don't usually have a personal smell (no >sweat glands, no secretions), but usually their >clothes or skin pick up enough distinct smells to >justify a +2 to Tracking rolls. This raises an interesting question; can celestials be differentiated from humans by scent? It would seem to be a potentially exploitable weakness; while smart celestials would probably mask themselves with perfume and such, maybe there's some Soldiers on both sides working on breeding and training a certain kind of bloodhound for those that don't take such precautions... - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:46:05 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Scientology (was Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II)) At 5:52 PM +0000 3/28/01, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: [...] >off-topic i'm going to shut up now.... ;) Very wise. After all, you never know when someone from a given religion might actually be on the same mailing list as you. O:> (Who might or might not agree with the actions, principles, or whatever else other members are doing. Not being clones and all that.) (Hm. Been a long time since I last posted my IN Scientology writeup. Short thing, had three different origins/treatments in it. One of these days, I'll have to do a By The Book (see the GMG) treatment for it, when I get energy. Of course, it'd start out by explaining that there _is_ no difference between celestials, ethereals, and human souls...) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:47:06 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Drac/Frank&Wolfy... At 10:17 AM -0800 3/28/01, Michael Walton wrote: [...] > If an Ethereal is Vessel-killed, they return to the Marches >and go to into Trauma (which lasts for weeks instead of days for >them) unless they have no spare Vessels, in which case they go >to Limbo. Ethereals do not (to anyone's knowledge) go to Limbo. They just go back to the Marches, and Trauma (in weeks), and if they wake up, they can use other vessels or start putting Essence into their "vessel cache" to rebuild a vessel. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:30:33 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) cassandra benner wrote: > > *chuckle* > mary shelly, author of -frankenstein-=a new prometheus= Thank you. It all makes sense, now. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:55:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) At 4:26 PM -0500 3/28/01, Mike Bruner wrote: [...] >>Celestials don't usually have a personal smell (no >>sweat glands, no secretions), but usually their >>clothes or skin pick up enough distinct smells to >>justify a +2 to Tracking rolls. > >This raises an interesting question; can celestials be differentiated from >humans by scent? In canon? Celestials' sweat glands, or lack thereof, have not been mentioned explicitly -- but the is the implicit assumption that lack of them would cause startlement during autopsies, so they probably _do_ have them. Whether or not they _function_ is another question entirely, since vessels have a far higher tolerance for heat and cold; a sweating celestial may be one who is sitting in an oven. Or the Superior who crafted the vessel might well decree that the sweat glands turn on at a reasonable temperature, to prevent people from wondering why someone isn't sweating who's been doing five hundred pushups. A celestial who has not eaten (and likewise, not excreted) for a sufficent length of time might be detectable by a being with a good enough sense of smell -- there's no "What I ate for lunch" (or lunch's results) odor on the breath. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:44:41 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Drac/Frank&Wolfy... Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Ethereals do not (to anyone's knowledge) go to Limbo. They just > go back to the Marches, and Trauma (in weeks), and if they wake > up, they can use other vessels or start putting Essence into > their "vessel cache" to rebuild a vessel. I find it kind of odd that Ethereals and those celestials who happen to be in Limbo can whip up vessels, but everyone else has to go to a Superior for them, and creating them is apparently a Big Deal involving super-celestial craftsmanship. Is there any way of hopping into Limbo deliberately, even though you may have a Heart, perhaps taking a goodly cache of Essence with you to shorten your stay, so you can craft that vessel you always wanted but know you can't talk your Superior into giving you? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:56:08 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: IN> Limbo. I can't get a copy of Heaven and Hell, and I can't find anyone who has a copy, and I can't find rules for Limbo. Can anyone briefly sum up what Limbo us, how you get there, and how you get out? Or is that legal on this list? :-) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:10:14 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: IN> Campaign types >From: "Janet Anderson" > >I completely agree. I've noticed that most of the people on this list are >more inclined toward Dark or Low Contrast games than Bright ones. Not me. My campaign is Bright, High Contrast, and High Weirdness. Now if we could get Ken Hite to write an IN adventure or supplement, my life would be complete. - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:09:15 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Campaign types At 05:10 PM 3/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >Now if we could get Ken Hite to write an IN adventure or supplement, my >life would be complete. Frankly, I'd love to see Ken do an alternate writeup of Alaemon... ;) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:33:30 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Drac/Frank&Wolfy... At 4:44 PM -0500 3/28/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Ethereals do not (to anyone's knowledge) go to Limbo. They just >> go back to the Marches, and Trauma (in weeks), and if they wake >> up, they can use other vessels or start putting Essence into >> their "vessel cache" to rebuild a vessel. > >I find it kind of odd that Ethereals and those celestials who >happen to be in Limbo can whip up vessels, but everyone else >has to go to a Superior for them, and creating them is apparently >a Big Deal involving super-celestial craftsmanship. The ethereals claim that the Big Kahuna deliberately limited the beings It created, so that celestials can't have their vessel-cache to stuff Essence into, normally. Limbo, being outside Yaweh's reach, allows them to take advantage of their true heritage as ethereals themselves... It's less of a Big Deal in some ways, and more of a "manipulate Forces: stuff celestial into vessel" and "have mongo Essence." >Is there any way of hopping into Limbo deliberately, even though >you may have a Heart, perhaps taking a goodly cache of Essence >with you to shorten your stay, so you can craft that vessel you >always wanted but know you can't talk your Superior into giving you? You can go into Limbo deliberately (losing the vessel that you use to get there; you can only do this from the corporeal realm), but you can only take your own Forces' worth of Essence. However, you can have your good friends and buddies send you gobs of Essence, which you can then use to come out quickly! [image of gurilla tactics of celestials: "Okay, so we're surrounded and they're just going to sit out there and wait. But since they're sneering, we're full up on Essence. Expendiabiel, go into Limbo and we'll send you all our Essence, and come out with a dragon vessel, 'kay?"] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:15:47 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Limbo. From: "Ben Glickler" <> It's nowhere. Nowhere at all. <> You die corporeally when you're a celestial without a functioning Heart. Alternatively, you make a Will roll, on the corporeal plane, to destroy your Vessel and transport yourself there. <<, and how you get out?>> Construct yourself a new Vessel, out of Essence. It costs a fortune (15 Essence multiplied by the Vessel level, and then multiplied by the number of Forces a typical member of the species of the Vessel contains), and you regenerate Essence at the rate of one point per week when you're there (starting when you get out of Trauma, if applicable), and you get to spend all the time you're waiting in complete sensory deprivation. In the plus column, you can hold unlimited Essence while you're there (which can't be used for anything other than building a new Vessel), and you can reduce the cost by taking Discord--each new level of Corporeal or Ethereal Discord reduces the Essence cost of a new Vessel by (3 times Vessel level), and each level of Celestial Discord reduces the Essence cost of a new Vessel by (5 times Vessel level). --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2129 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. 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