From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Mar 30 22:01:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18187 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:01:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA04961 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:07:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:07:29 -0600 Message-Id: <200103310407.WAA04961@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2132 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, March 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2132 In this digest: Re: IN> Mrw. IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought IN> The Terrifying Three IN> Re: Slight Tangent (ot) Re: IN> GIN cel combat (was: IN origins) IN> Weird Thought Re: IN> Yet another adventure idea Re: IN> Weird Thought Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought Re: IN> Mrw. IN> Tether question Re: IN> Mrw. Re: Slight Tangent [Re: IN> Limbo.] IN> No, no reason. No reason at all. Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all. Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all(OT) Re: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all. Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all(OT) Re: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) Re: IN> Mrw. Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all. Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all(OT) Re: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought Re: IN> Mrw. Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought IN> David ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:01:47 +0100 From: Eric Hallstrom Subject: Re: IN> Mrw. At 08:43 AM 3/30/01 , you wrote: >That blipping kitten of Eric's. It won't go away. > >Oh, yeah, put on the sunglasses for this one. Serious >and high-concept, it ain't. > >:) >Justinian looked at him solemnly (Dominic wondered >again about just how much his kitten understood. He >really _wanted_ to speak to The Angel of the Selfless >Gift), cocked his head, batted Dominic's finger and >protested, > >"Mwr." > >Dominic reluctantly nodded, conceding the point. > >*Truth.* > > Six minutes where I would have been howling with laughter except that making that much noise might have woken up my cat. You're an evil person, Moe. Keep it up. Eric - -- www.kawaiikunee.com/in_nomine/index.html hallcon@mindspring.com kawaii@kawaiikunee.com Free electrons appear gold/brown and seeing them in a puddle in the bottom of a flask is odd. -Derry Hamilton, sdm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:08 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought Can Cherub Archangels still have Attuned? If so, do they? And who? - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> The Terrifying Three This got spawned by the ethereal discussion about Drac/Frank/Wolfie. Normally, I wouldn't have gone down _this_ road, but what the heck. I _do_ have an angel Word-bound to Horror, after all... :) Moe The Terrifying Three Well, that's what Christine (Angel of the Genre of Horror) calls them. The name stuck, even though it's not particularly accurate. The Terrifying Three are a cut above the average relievers: as an experiment, they've been given more responsibilities than normal. So far, they've shown that they can handle it. These guys should make pretty good angels someday. Provided that they survive until then, of course. The Terrifying Three exist to channel childhood fears into something that kids can handle. They deliberately project imagoes in the Marches that seem scary, but are actually pretty easy to outmaneuver. After a few sessions in a particular dreamscape, the dreamer will be able to face them without fear - and, hopefully, befriend them. If that happens, then the child is well on the way towards a better self-image (not too mention a little less vulnerable to Servitors of Nightmares). The fact that their mere existence bleeds away belief from ethereal versions of the monsters that the Terrifying Three emulate is merely and added bonus. Normally, relievers wouldn't stand a chance in the endless arena that is the Vale. However, these guys have their advantages. First of all, they work together - always - and will gang up on any individual demon that tries to take away one of 'their' dreamscapes. Second, they're good actors - demons may not even realize that they aren't random dream fragments. More than one Knight of Restlessness has passed the Terrible Three by without noticing. Third, and most importantly, more powerful angels keep track of them at all times. Christine is their direct boss, and what she can't handle, the dozen or so Servitors of War that she's managed to get on retainer can. The Warriors don't mind: Michael has a soft spot in his Heart for kids ready and willing to do an adult's work. Frank Reliever of Dreams (Imago: A large, shambling, green human with bolts through his neck and too-short pants) Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 7 Agility: 5 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 4 Precision: 4 Celestial Forces: 2 Will: 4 Perception: 4 Skills: Dodge/3, Emote/2, Fighting/3, Knowledge (psychology/1) Songs: Dreams (All/1), Entropy (Ethereal/3), Might (Ethereal/2), Shields (Ethereal/1) Attunements: Dream Walking Frank's going to make a wonderful Ofanite or Malakite someday. He usually does what little corporeal stuff there is to do (although that involves borrowing a vessel, of course). He's also the best at ethereal combat. His appearance in a dreamscape helps kids deal with the fears associated with physical dangers: bullies, scary adults, things like that. Belle Reliever of Dreams (Imago: either a male or female, dressed in black and wearing a cloak: one arm is always up, covering half the face) Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 4 Agility: 4 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 4 Precision: 4 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 5 Perception: 7 Skills: Dodge/1, Emote/2, Fighting/1, Knowledge (psychology/1, Undead Lore/3) Songs: Charm (Celestial/3), Dreams (all/1), Entropy (Ethereal/2), Shields (Ethereal/1) Attunements: Dream Walking Belle isn't sure, yet, but she thinks that she might end up a Cherub. She's more or less the unofficial leader of this group. In combat with demons, she whacks on their perceptions, the better for Frank to just whack on them. She's usually symbolic of fear of the unknown: once kids 'defeat' her, she's just a mine of interesting information about monsters (all of which is completely true, actually). Lonnie Reliever of Dreams (Imago: a humanoid with fur and a wolf's head) Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 4 Agility: 4 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence: 7 Precision: 5 Celestial Forces: 2 Will: 4 Perception: 4 Skills: Dodge/1, Emote/3, Fighting/1, Knowledge (Psychology/3), Tactics/1 Songs: Dreams (All/2), Entropy (Ethereal/1), Shields (Ethereal/1) Attunements: Seraphim of Dreams, Malakite of Dreams Considering the Choir Attunements that he has, it's ironic that Lonnie will almost certainly end up a Mercurian. He's the bright one of the group, handling the nuts and bolts of the Terrifying Three's dream-therapy sessions. In combat, he fiddles with the surroundings while his compatriots fiddle with their opponents: it seems to work out. He's usually symbolic of kids' fears about their self-image: 'defeat' of him will involve the understanding and acceptance of one's own nature. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:10:33 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Re: Slight Tangent (ot) This is what Alchemy and true Hermetic magic is about. Lead in to Gold is merely a reference of body/mind in to the spirit/divine. I'll write up some sorcery rituals i think... >OnIN: Perhaps becoming celestial is simply another form of matter that >we've not discovered yet...imagine the potential of someone discovering a >process that can turn matter from its normal state into its celestial state >(and vice versa) and building a machine to do so... > > >Pak > Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:56:39 -0800 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> GIN cel combat (was: IN origins) > >Gahk. I say mandatory IQ/Perception/Will split, as suggested in CI. > > You're right. I'm unwilling to do that. O:> Figures. Hrm. Being unable to affect IQ without touching Willpower and Perception just isn't possible without jumping through a lot of hoops. *Unless* there's a disadvantage you know about that I don't which affects the aspects of IQ other than Will and Perception. Possibilities : Upon Soul hits reduced to zero and 3-4 (Ethereal) is rolled: 3-4, Ethereal results : (and/or for the following) ° loss of 1 level of Ethereal Power Investiture, ° target loses 1d6 x5 points due to new mental disads (too similar to loss of Mind hits), ° target gains a level of Incompetance CIpg91 in all skills, ° target gain a 2 levels of Poor Learner (see below). _Poor Learner_ (new disad that I'm creating to fix this) (-10pts/level) The character suffers from an inability to apply his intelligence to learning and using mental skills. Each level of this disad causes the character's IQ to effectively 1 less in terms of determining Mental skill levels. The character's Will and Perception checks are unaffected. Skills not based upon IQ are unaffected. and maybe : Once all levels of Ethereal Power Investiture have been lost, the target gains Cannot Learn disad pgCI86. Of course, I believe that using the aging rolls for attribute reduction /would/ work, if the aging rolls were made with a -5 penalty to the target number of the roll. > I'm still puttering on the idea. (And it's late, and I'm short on > sleep, and I have a cranky baby, and one of my cats had to be put to > sleep at 1am Sundaymorning. And Baen rejected my novel. O:p That sucks. And, > to top things off, spouse is doing a meeting in LA, so he flew out > Tuesday, had the meeting today, and will be back at 9pm tomorrow. > And he may be sick, and he was sick monday, and this week has mostly > sucked. And it's late, or I wouldn't have ranted. O:J ) zero sweat - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:30:12 -0600 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: IN> Weird Thought Just wondering if there is anyone else out there who thinks that there is a very good chance that Kobal has an "evil clown" vessel. Bradley, who thinks that Dark Humor had SOMETHING to do with the 1998 Minnesota gubernatorial (sp) election. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:34:56 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Yet another adventure idea > > Still, a good idea, but it will never go in my campaign -- doesn't fit the > > MO of Heaven > > At a High Brightness setting, no, it doesn't. At lower settings, it can. I try to go with the somewhat low contrast with Bright spots. > ... then many versions of Heaven currently in In Nomine play would be > standing in line for the chance to blow it up. The other thing I was trying to accomplish with that adventure was making the characters a bit uncomfortable as they are being forced to go against their better natures in the name of a long term goal. No one said that Heaven has to fight fair either. OK, Laurence does, but you know what I mean. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:52:40 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Weird Thought > Just wondering if there is anyone else out there who thinks that there is a > very good chance that Kobal has an "evil clown" vessel. Aren't the words "evil" and "clown" synonymous? -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:35:23 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought John Dallman wrote: > Can Cherub Archangels still have Attuned? If so, do they? And who? I *think* any Archangel can use any Choir resonnance, and I would be grossly surprised if a Cherub Archangel couldn't attune. Who? Whoever they want, I'd think. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:26:44 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Mrw. ROTFL! Janet Anderson (I want that kitten to be Canon. But I still say his name's Solomon.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Tether question Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:16:43 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> March 30, 2001 (PK) >>I got the picture of a demon (maybe a Seneschal, who >>has a Tether conveniently available)sincerely trying >>to understand the book's contents -- reading a >>chapter("*Ow*."), waiting to heal, ridding themself >>of the Dissonance, reading the next chapter >>("*Ow*."), etc. Naturally, he'd better be able to >>store it in a place unlikely to get located by >>anyone short of an Archangel. But if he could >>manage... I wonder if there would be any effects. >Redemption. Hmmm. That raises an interesting point: what happens to a Seneschal that Falls/Redeems? S/He's a specialized Word-bound, so the normal rules would apply to that, but what happens to the Tether from the unexpected jolt of energy? Nothing? Does it realign itself? Does it explode? Hmm. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:10:13 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Mrw. - -----Original Message----- From: Janet Anderson To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: Re: IN> Mrw. >ROTFL! > >Janet Anderson >(I want that kitten to be Canon. But I still say his name's Solomon.) Well, here's my attempt at it... Dominic's Kitten Blessed Soul of a Kitten Honorary Saint of Judgement Corporeal:1 Strength: 1 Agility: 3 Ethereal: 0 Intelligence: 1 Precision: 2* Celestial: 2** Will: 4 Perception: 4 Skills: Climbing/6, Dodge/5, Escape/4***, Fighting/4**** (Power -3, Protection -1), Move Silently/8 Notes: *Ever saw a cat, even a kitten, on a play-hunt? That's a display of precision if I've ever seen one. **I figure Dominic's Kitten isn't an ordinary feline to begin with. Plus, I own Cats. I know they have a lot of willpower (Try staring one down), and they have very high perception (Try sneaking up on one.) ***From Moe's story, I guess the lil' nipper tends to slip out from Dominic's grasp often. I've known cats like that. ****He's still just a kitten, so why make him a skilled fighter? Dominic has gotten slowly used to the idea of being a pet owner. It took him some time, and he had to talk to Jordi in length about the matter, but the Kitten Netanya gave him has become fully attached to him, and he must admit, he's grown fond of the little nipper. (He'd still like to have a talk with Netanya, though.) He hasn't really found a definitive name for the little Kitten, though. Ideally, he'd like to give it a name it'll respond to, but try getting a kitten to answer to Hammurabi or Solomon... So far, Justinian seems to be getting something out the feline, even if only a subtle purr, so Dominic's thinking of using it. Hey, it's not like he's used to naming things... You'd be surprised how often he's asked Yves' help in naming Relievers. He's also having to get used to keeping track of the blessed thing, as Justinian has the annoying habit of sneaking away from Dominic whenever it gets bored and wants to look around. Which is to say, very often. At first, it really frustrated him to have to pause in his activities to start looking for his runaway kitten, but he's slowly started adjusting to it. It does annoy him that Novalis and others comment on how much more approachable it makes him seem, though. It annoys him a lot. ...And he'd still like to speak with Natenya about this... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:18:22 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: Slight Tangent [Re: IN> Limbo.] >At 19:48 29/03/2001 +0000, daiv@cruzio.com wrote: >> > >That's not strictly true. Matter can be in solid, liquid, gaseous or >> plasma >> > >forms. However, you're right about the non-solid forms being easier to >> > >displace. >> > >> > Have you noticed that all four Matter forms match up with the classical >> > elements >> > of Earth, Water, Wind and Fire? Whenever I've thought about this, I always matched up Fire with "energy" instead of matter. That way you cover a lot more bases. IN-wise, it gives Gabriel and Belial a reason to cover such things as plasma, solar heat, heat from hot matter, and similar stuff, as a harmonic on their Words. >>Thats Cool. Except, of course, its wrong. >>There are actually (according to some physicists, any way, which I am not one >>of (I am not a physicist, i just read a lot)) Six states of matter; The >>classic >>three, of course, and then there is Superfluid, Plasma, and a name for the >>truly wierd properties that solid matter takes on when its near absolute >>zero. >>As science progresses, new states will no doubt emerge, and be argued >>over. Go >>fig. And feel free to not take my word for any of this, of course. I could be >>wrong or lying. > >Well, from what I gather, the status of plasma as the fourth state of >matter is somewhat controversial, so I can imagine that the other two >(superfluidity and superconductivity?) are even more so. Superconductivity isn't a state, it's just a characteristic. IMHO. See, even the notion of "states" of matter can have shades. For example, there are liquid crystals, and high-pressure gases can have metallic properties. For that matter, one can also refer to an "electron gas" for certain classical electrical computations. There's also the "triple point," where solid, liquid and gas forms can be perceived at the same pressure and temperature in a container. There are relatively definite phase changes between the three states, but up close they're curves, and in some matter they're pretty indistinct curves. IN talks about some overlap between the elemental Words -- lava, for example, being shared between Stone and Fire. For that matter, if it was fluid enough, Water might be able to have a go. I have been pondering a new elemental angel for a space-based or future-scenario IN campaign: the Angel of Singularities. Elementally, they embody the particular state achieved by mass-energy under supercritical gravity. Spiritually, they would involve notions of unity, purity, and finality. A demonic counterpart (possibly limited to the Demon of Black Holes -- there are theoretically other singularities, but they're odd) would be spiritual home to the notions of crushing weight, inescapable captivity, and complete destruction. Heck, the Angel of Singularities could already be around, serving Jean, nudging human physicists, and biding his time until mankind encounters his Word up close and personal. I could see him being that prepared for the future. >Pak William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all. Out of idle curiousity, would a hypothetical IN Fiction license include children's books? I normally would have just assumed so, but I remember a hint earlier that an IN coloring book was vaguely being bandied about, or something, and the two concepts seem vaguely related. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:57:48 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all. > Out of idle curiousity, would a hypothetical IN > Fiction license include children's books? I can see it now... "See the Calabite! Burn Burn Burn!" "See the Malakite! WHAMWHAMWHAM!" (I gotta give my imagination some time off.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:55:24 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all(OT) *ears perk up, slowly realizing its moe thats asking, and runs and ducks for cover, because when moe asks, something is always being thought of* Would Christopher have a word bound of =coloring books= who previously belonged to eli? No, it cant be that simple can it? Nah. Can it? >Out of idle curiousity, would a hypothetical IN >Fiction license include children's books? > >I normally would have just assumed so, but I remember >a hint earlier that an IN coloring book was vaguely >being bandied about, or something, and the two >concepts seem vaguely related. > >Moe > Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:55:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) >Celestials' sweat glands, or lack thereof, have not >been mentioned explicitly -- but the is the implicit >assumption that lack of them would cause startlement >during autopsies, so they probably _do_ have them. Fair enough. >Whether or not they _function_ is another question >entirely, since vessels have a far higher tolerance >for heat and cold; a sweating celestial may be one >who is sitting in an oven. Or the Superior who >crafted the vessel might well decree that the sweat >glands turn on at a reasonable temperature, to >prevent people from wondering why someone isn't >sweating who's been doing five hundred pushups. I think that this is probably going to be a difference of style kind of thing: I just can't see celestials sweating. It's so... _corporeal_. Still, I'll edit the Servitor Attunement so that everybody can use it. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:05:25 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought >John Dallman wrote: > >> Can Cherub Archangels still have Attuned? If so, do they? And who? > >I *think* any Archangel can use any Choir resonnance, and I would >be grossly surprised if a Cherub Archangel couldn't attune. > >Who? Whoever they want, I'd think. > >Earl Novalis is probably Attuned to a number of famous plants, rotating as they age: * isn't there a knotty old pine tree on an American mountain that's the oldest living macroscopic lifeform in the world? * possibly she can Attune to a forest as a whole entity, getting knowledge on its general health and safety. * particular specimens that should be preserved, or that haven't been found by Man yet, for one reason or another. * and then there's the garden her Role/6 maintains as a well-known specialist on preventative and curative medicinal techniques for plants, especially flowers. Blandine... I don't know. Blandine's *awfully* overworked. She'd probably have the desire, though. She may attune to humans with particularly fragile or promising dreams, or simply to dreamscapes with a great deal of power or influence currently in the world; or possibly to the dreamscapes themselves. Of course, there's always her Attunement to Beleth. Like Hell she'd give that one up. Maybe it only tells her little things that drop past the shielding or that Beleth wants her to know; maybe it's dangerous, painful, and biasing; maybe she doesn't think it's any of your business. Then there's David's Attuned, a particular geological formation that was a special project of his just before the Fall. He kept the Attunement and has seen no particular reason to abandon it yet. Twenty millenia isn't bad, but it's not major progress. ;^) There remains the question: how about Beleth and Asmodeus? The restrictions of the Djinn Attunement could say *interesting* things about someone they choose to Attune to.... William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:57:48 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all. > Out of idle curiousity, would a hypothetical IN > Fiction license include children's books? I can see it now... "See the Calabite! Burn Burn Burn!" "See the Malakite! WHAMWHAMWHAM!" (I gotta give my imagination some time off.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:55:24 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all(OT) *ears perk up, slowly realizing its moe thats asking, and runs and ducks for cover, because when moe asks, something is always being thought of* Would Christopher have a word bound of =coloring books= who previously belonged to eli? No, it cant be that simple can it? Nah. Can it? >Out of idle curiousity, would a hypothetical IN >Fiction license include children's books? > >I normally would have just assumed so, but I remember >a hint earlier that an IN coloring book was vaguely >being bandied about, or something, and the two >concepts seem vaguely related. > >Moe > Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:55:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) >Celestials' sweat glands, or lack thereof, have not >been mentioned explicitly -- but the is the implicit >assumption that lack of them would cause startlement >during autopsies, so they probably _do_ have them. Fair enough. >Whether or not they _function_ is another question >entirely, since vessels have a far higher tolerance >for heat and cold; a sweating celestial may be one >who is sitting in an oven. Or the Superior who >crafted the vessel might well decree that the sweat >glands turn on at a reasonable temperature, to >prevent people from wondering why someone isn't >sweating who's been doing five hundred pushups. I think that this is probably going to be a difference of style kind of thing: I just can't see celestials sweating. It's so... _corporeal_. Still, I'll edit the Servitor Attunement so that everybody can use it. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:23:48 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Mrw. >He hasn't really found a definitive name for the little Kitten, though. >Ideally, he'd like to give it a name it'll respond to, but try getting >a kitten to answer to Hammurabi or Solomon... You can get a kitten to respond to "Tarquin Fintim-Limbim-Whimbim-Lim Bus Stop-P'Tang-P'Tang-Biscuit-Barrel" if you accompany the usages of his name with the proper behavioral conditioning [1]... - -- Chuckg [1] Feeding it, of course. Cats respond best to those particular mouth-noises that they've learned equal "Dinner". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:57:48 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all. > Out of idle curiousity, would a hypothetical IN > Fiction license include children's books? I can see it now... "See the Calabite! Burn Burn Burn!" "See the Malakite! WHAMWHAMWHAM!" (I gotta give my imagination some time off.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:55:24 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> No, no reason. No reason at all(OT) *ears perk up, slowly realizing its moe thats asking, and runs and ducks for cover, because when moe asks, something is always being thought of* Would Christopher have a word bound of =coloring books= who previously belonged to eli? No, it cant be that simple can it? Nah. Can it? >Out of idle curiousity, would a hypothetical IN >Fiction license include children's books? > >I normally would have just assumed so, but I remember >a hint earlier that an IN coloring book was vaguely >being bandied about, or something, and the two >concepts seem vaguely related. > >Moe > Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:55:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> No Sweat...? (Re: March 27, 2001 (ML)) >Celestials' sweat glands, or lack thereof, have not >been mentioned explicitly -- but the is the implicit >assumption that lack of them would cause startlement >during autopsies, so they probably _do_ have them. Fair enough. >Whether or not they _function_ is another question >entirely, since vessels have a far higher tolerance >for heat and cold; a sweating celestial may be one >who is sitting in an oven. Or the Superior who >crafted the vessel might well decree that the sweat >glands turn on at a reasonable temperature, to >prevent people from wondering why someone isn't >sweating who's been doing five hundred pushups. I think that this is probably going to be a difference of style kind of thing: I just can't see celestials sweating. It's so... _corporeal_. Still, I'll edit the Servitor Attunement so that everybody can use it. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 03/04/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:05:25 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought >John Dallman wrote: > >> Can Cherub Archangels still have Attuned? If so, do they? And who? > >I *think* any Archangel can use any Choir resonnance, and I would >be grossly surprised if a Cherub Archangel couldn't attune. > >Who? Whoever they want, I'd think. > >Earl Novalis is probably Attuned to a number of famous plants, rotating as they age: * isn't there a knotty old pine tree on an American mountain that's the oldest living macroscopic lifeform in the world? * possibly she can Attune to a forest as a whole entity, getting knowledge on its general health and safety. * particular specimens that should be preserved, or that haven't been found by Man yet, for one reason or another. * and then there's the garden her Role/6 maintains as a well-known specialist on preventative and curative medicinal techniques for plants, especially flowers. Blandine... I don't know. Blandine's *awfully* overworked. She'd probably have the desire, though. She may attune to humans with particularly fragile or promising dreams, or simply to dreamscapes with a great deal of power or influence currently in the world; or possibly to the dreamscapes themselves. Of course, there's always her Attunement to Beleth. Like Hell she'd give that one up. Maybe it only tells her little things that drop past the shielding or that Beleth wants her to know; maybe it's dangerous, painful, and biasing; maybe she doesn't think it's any of your business. Then there's David's Attuned, a particular geological formation that was a special project of his just before the Fall. He kept the Attunement and has seen no particular reason to abandon it yet. Twenty millenia isn't bad, but it's not major progress. ;^) There remains the question: how about Beleth and Asmodeus? The restrictions of the Djinn Attunement could say *interesting* things about someone they choose to Attune to.... William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:00:33 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Mrw. - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Glasgow To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: IN> Mrw. >>He hasn't really found a definitive name for the little Kitten, though. >>Ideally, he'd like to give it a name it'll respond to, but try getting >>a kitten to answer to Hammurabi or Solomon... > >You can get a kitten to respond to "Tarquin Fintim-Limbim-Whimbim-Lim Bus >Stop-P'Tang-P'Tang-Biscuit-Barrel" if you accompany the usages of his name >with the proper behavioral conditioning [1]... > >-- >Chuckg > >[1] Feeding it, of course. Cats respond best to those particular >mouth-noises that they've learned equal "Dinner". True, but no-one ever said Dominic really knew how to handle cats very well. Maybe someone will give him that piece of advice to him. ...Or maybe he just can't make up his mind as to naming that kitten. =P - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:10:15 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought From: "William J. Keith" <> Beleth is noted in the IPG as being attuned to all her Servitors' Hearts. She doesn't lock them up tight--if you're fast enough, you can come into her tower, smash your heart, and run--but /run/, because Beleth will instantly know what's happened. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:05:14 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought - -----Original Message----- From: Kish To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: IN> Another Novalis and Blandine thought >From: "William J. Keith" ><restrictions of the Djinn Attunement could say *interesting* things about >someone they choose to Attune to....>> > >Beleth is noted in the IPG as being attuned to all her Servitors' Hearts. >She doesn't lock them up tight--if you're fast enough, you can come into her >tower, smash your heart, and run--but /run/, because Beleth will instantly >know what's happened. Sounds appropriate. Djinn Princes do come off to me as being absolute control freaks, keeping an eye on all their Servitors. Asmodeus probably does the same thing with his own Servitor's Hearts, but probably adds the twist of entrusting each Heart to another Servitor's care. So you can easily go Renegade... as long as you can find who holds your Heart, and get it away from him long enough to shatter it. ...Not to mention you have a lot of power over the Demon whose Heart you hold, as long as you keep watch over it and keep track of the Demon involved. As for Beleth, I feel she's still Attuned to Blandine. Much for the opposite reasons Blandine's still Attuned to Beleth, however. Beleth wants to prove her word is greater then Blandine, leading her to despair and fall, to join her in Hell as her personal Pet... ...Ain't Love Grand? - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:59:30 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> David Shaper of continents, Stone is his Word. Keeper of caverns carved in darkness, fearful earthquakes and fiery volcanoes, Atlas, Architect, awe-inspirer. Maker and Mason, man's first mentor, Tester of mortals by terrible trials, Binder of brethren by blood-oath and battle. Born a Cherub, builder of cities, till Lucifer's Fall formed him in fury an oathbound Malakite, mighty in anger. His angels wield no coward's weapon, no flung spear nor feathered arrow, nor is the first blow, beginning of battle, struck in anger by steadfast Stone. Janet Anderson (I'm not very good at writing up angels, so I decided to just write about one of my favorite Archangels instead.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2132 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.