From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue May 1 15:29:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08736 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:29:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA15425 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:36:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:36:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200105012036.PAA15425@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2195 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, May 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2195 In this digest: Re: IN> Consider Ivy IN> Consider Mikey Re: IN> Consider Mikey IN> Consider Yves Re: IN> A plot problem Re: IN> Kyriotate Word-bound Angels of cities Re: IN> Bizzare questions for dominic? Re: IN> Consider Mikey IN> Taming the Inquisition Re: IN> Consider Mikey Re: IN> Consider Ivy Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... Re: IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* Re: IN> Serving one's word IN> [ADMIN] Re: The Impudite Theme Song? Re: IN> The Impudite Theme Song? Re: IN> Consider Ivy IN> New Discord: Incandescence Re: IN> Consider Mikey On being Word-bound... (was Re: IN> Consider Mikey) Re: IN> The Perfect Pet IN> Celestial Glory Question Re: IN> Celestial Glory Question IN> Moelane ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:52:20 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Ivy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:33 PM Subject: IN> Consider Ivy > There's always a blind spot, you know, and I think > that I've seen one. [snip] > Mother knows best. Moe, the scary thing is that as far as I can see, she's gone totally barking mad. It's not just that she's thinking that she's right and everybody else is wrong. Many Archangels take it that far. Believing that you've figured out something nobody else has figured out yet is one thing. But Believing that you've figured out something because you're the only being in the entire universe who will *ever be capable* of figuring it out, and going on from there to act on the belief that you and you alone are qualified to set policy guidance for the entire universe -- errrr, isn't that in the dictionary under "megalomania"? People who are possessed of a belief that they are the Only Person In The Entire Universe Who Can Ever Get It *Really* Right just scare the 'effin whey outta me, let me tell you. When you start believing that you're the only sane person left alive in all the world, that's usually the point at which certain of your higher-level reality-checking functions just went on permanent leave of absence. In addition to the emotional critique, I also submit what I perceive as a practical flaw -- Standard Triad Question #5 would pick up even on this. It isn't just Earthly servitors who get questioned, after all. However, with a minor rewrite to the point where *nobody* else but her knows what the heck she's doing, and everybody else is just doing little harmless things that Mother asked them to do... that would work to eliminate said practical flaw. Emotionally, OTOH? My reaction is "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..." - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 00:12:27 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Consider Mikey I regret the fact me and Lucifer can never play baal any more. It's like playing ball but instead of using a small spherical object we took the Archangel of Valor between us and batted him around. It was occasionally literal but most of the time we just sent him between us with arguments and crises which we made sure that no one was ever able to resolve but him we made it look like. It wasn't false per say since no crisis existed save the one we'd made for Baal and Baal alone. Then Lucifer took the Baal and went home. You know Novalis thinks I've been fighting so long that I can't think of anything else to do but I've gotten so bloody sick of trying to explain to her that War doesn't mean War at all. The elevation of Cherub of Stone to Archangel seems to have knocked a few petals loose if you catch my drift. For untold billions of years I spent all my life leading the Celestial Host along with (and I *STRESS* that Yves is not the leader of the Host nor was the Metatron nor was Lucifer....God was) the others. You should hear some of my servitors STILL believe I recieve my word after or during the War which makes me want to ring their scrawy little necks. What did they think I was doing for so many centuries, just waiting for this twenty two thousand year period of mopping up action? No. No one truly understood the word of War and only Uriel and Lucifer really seemed to grasp even the fundementals. Baal understood one of the methods, I always considered him a sort of kid brother and really sort of a Servitor despite that his word was such a great part of mine that he was an Archangel himself. That's where the "Is Like God" part of the title comes from...I consider Purity, Valor, and Light part of my word among others. For those untold billions of years I was the one who had the distinct job of battle....battle with the imperfections of despair, ignorance, doubt, dissonance, and sloth. People always assume Yves is the most powerful of Archangels but they fail to realize that even if he is a projection of God he is still only the end we struggle for and the entire universe is in and of itself a struggle. That's why it's there. Otherwise there would be only Heaven and you know as well as I do the Lower Heavens are as big a part of the struggle as the Marches or Corporeal plane. Yes your probably wondering how I can be hostile to a projection of God if I know he is part of him. God is perfect but Yves is not for everything people want to hoist on him. There are simply mysteries that he can neither relate to in any real manner nor explain in any real matter and it annoys me he's forced to try. God created us for a reason and if you want Yves to do my job you'll find him woefully ill-equipped for it. I am the first of the Seraphim though and my word very much encompasses the concept of the truth of the Symphony. I repeat; Struggle. People think I favor fighters over doctors, teachers, and philantropists but they lack the essential knowledge that I seem alone sometimes to grasp. THE WAR IS NOTHING. Lucifer, Baal, Metatron, Raphael, Oannes, Kobal, Andrephalus, and others are great losses and the War has inflicted more damage on Heaven than any previous castrosphe but while it may take two thousand years more, ten thousand years more, the war at my worst estimates will probably take a million years to end and perhaps even destroy humanity. It's still nothing. A pittance of time to the great struggle that is the Symphony that is I. I could spend a million years examining the life of a child or practicing with my battle ax to hon a new move with it. What truly scares Baal is that he cannot stand to be out of God's attention for even a moment and even if God loves the Evolved primates more than us for the time they believe, they will ultimately pass in an eyeblink when the universe itself dies like the flickering candle it is. I will welcome them as boon companions but they will become nothing less than the angels I see who seem to envy them and hopefully something more like us who are beyond the petty squabbles the celestial breeds produce now under Christopher's guidence. Yes I take fighters as trainers and saints because this brief conflict requires it. A Doctor who overcomes disease is serving my word though just as well, I just have less need for one with celestial physiology. A child who overcomes his illiteracy or better yet an adult is serving my word. Jesus Christ of whom may or may not be yet another prodjection of my Lord on the Earth served my word by willingly going onto the Cross by overcomming what all humans must face: fear of death and knowing intellectually and spiritually you will arise but your body saying much else. Thus Police officers, Soliders, and those who can be taught to wield a holy pistol merely recieve my attention for the number of corpses I can pile up of the enemy. They recieve my attention just like the human race now recieves God's rather than us. Hell cannot win because God can eliminate this all with a thought and even now humanity which serves as a temporary BATTERY for Hell to produce more cannon fodder is learning and sliding towards Heaven with all Hell's old tools becomming less and less effective. It is a pittance of time until Armageddon and I causally wade through and slay Baal before I kill Lucifer once and for all. If you believe I am a warrior then you are right but be careful you do not deeply mistake what War is. War is Reality. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:30:45 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Mikey I"m beginning to see a trend... Are all Superior-level Word-Bound this truly locked inside their own solipsistic visions? That far removed from ever actually connecting with their peers? That blinded by one, and only one, monocular-focused inner vision? All of them? *brrrrrrrrrrrr* Even if that is actually true, please don't tell me that it is. Some things, you just don't wanna know. - -- Chuckg Susan: "You're saying humans need ... fantasies to make life bearable." Death: REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASIES TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE. Susan: "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little--" Death: YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES. Susan: "So we can believe the big ones?" Death: YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING. - -- from _Hogfather_, by Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:40:14 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: IN> Consider Yves It hurts to know how locked they all are. Locked in their own world views. I fear, sometimes. That they will meet Fates, not Destinies. I fear for myself. I fear that this may all drive me Lear mad. And even what I hide behind smiles and indirect answers cannot console me. Because I know all the pathes. And I know... the choice is theirs to the last... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Eng Subject: Re: IN> A plot problem > I have this Cherub of Stone who's going on an airplane trip and doesn't > want to be separated from his brass knuckles -- and they'll set off the > metal detector and are (I believe) illegal. Yes, he could send them > through his luggage, but he wants them to hand (as it were) in case he > needs them. > > Suggestions? > > Janet Anderson Does the Cherub require the brass knuckles, or will something similar do? Because if he doesn't need brass knuckles ("Need? Did somebody say _need_?" "Shut up, Lilim."), he should send the knuckles through in his luggage and board the plane with two or three rolls of quarters. Peter Eng ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotate Word-bound Angels of cities Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:17:58 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotate Word-bound Angels of cities >If the Kyriotate is constantly possessing the WHOLE >CITY, then you've got problems for demons. I doubt >that even a Word-bound Kyrio can manage that, or >at least not to the degree that it can spot anydemon >anywhere. No argument from _me_. I just need to know what the rest of you guys would think reasonable for a Kyriotate/Shedim of Insert Random City Here.* Moe *Why? So I know what's gonna be _unreasonable_. I Have Plans. ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Bizzare questions for dominic? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:08:50 -0400From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Bizzare questions for dominic? >Seraph of Judgement: Oh most judgemental testament to >God's divine order why do you allow the ineffable >writers of In Nomine to slander yon name such with >kittens, consciences that you don't need, and the >ability to do things without pressing righteous >judgement? "Because they do even _nastier_ things to the Other Side." ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 00:56:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Ranma al'Thor" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Mikey On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Charles Glasgow wrote: > I"m beginning to see a trend... > > Are all Superior-level Word-Bound this truly locked inside their own > solipsistic visions? That far removed from ever actually connecting with > their peers? That blinded by one, and only one, monocular-focused inner > vision? All of them? > Of course they are. Especially the older ones. They may come to change their interpretation of their words over time, but a being that draws that much power from a word will naturally be ruled by it. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu http://www.dkcomm.net/rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "That all princes shall kiss the foot of the Pope alone."--Dictatus Papae, 11th century ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:17:22 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: IN> Taming the Inquisition "If everyone is here, then I'll begin. I know that you have all heard of me, so I won't bore you with lengthy introductions. I see nervous expressions on some faces and rightly so; I imagine that many of the stories you have heard have some basis in truth. Ah yes, does that surprise you to hear me say so? No need to apologise, I have grown used to the reaction. I was the first Outcast to leave Heaven due to (how shall I put this?) irreconcilable differences of opinion with my Superior at that time." "They are still irreconcilable." "I am an Outcast still, much as you are, and if anything time has only strengthened my resolve. My anger has subsided but not abated. I am grown older and sadder and more tired, but I will not return. To coin an idiom, my bridges are burned -- I say again, the stories you have heard about my countless treacheries, machinations against the established divine order and association with minions of the Adversary may have some basis in truth." "Most of you are here because you have burned your bridges too, and I tell you that God has not abandoned you. Your duties to God, to mankind, and to the World do not need to be dictated by the tyrants of the Seraphim Council. Only be true to yourselves, and you will not Fall as so many of our brothers Fell." "To those others who still wrestle with the orders of Superiors whilst harboring sympathies for our cause, my thoughts go with you. I called this meeting to speak about the divine Inquisition, Dominic's hounds who have so harried us across the years." "If you are known to be an Outcast, avoid them. Individual angels can be suborned, fought, or persuaded, especially if you happen to meet them without the rest of their triad, but that isn't the most likely outcome. In extreme circumstances, warnings of urgent demonic attacks (of the sort that require them to act before they have interrogated you), or an all-out assault on all three triad members may give you enough time to escape. Failing that, your best recourse is to kill your own vessel and dive into limbo, where they cannot follow. Yes, I have done this. Yes, it is difficult." "A more hopeful situation is if you are questioned by them in passing, when they have no idea of your real situation or sympathies. Be aware: they have many angels to investigate, and unless they have evidence of specific wrongdoing, there are limits to how long they will intend to spend with each one. You can expect to see them rarely if ever, unless you are unlucky, so cover your tracks and keep down your Disturbance, but there is no need to live in utter fear. Have something in mind that you can report to them, if pressed, especially if you have any suspicions about fellow angels. Give them lists of names (reluctantly, if you wish) with concrete suspicions. Pass on any information you have about demonic activity. Be polite and as helpful as you can. Ask for advice on pressing theological questions. Request them to give you penances for any minor infraction you may have committed. Throw yourself upon their mercy. As long as they are not investigating your specific sympathies with Outcasts, they can be diverted onto other topics." "Oh, yes. The Inquisition can be diverted. I see looks of surprise? Nevertheless, it is true. For all their talk of hunting Outcasts, old 'Nick is more concerned about sedition among loyal angels." "If all else fails, there are senior members of the Inquisition who are authorised to bargain with you for useful information. If you think you have access to names of heretics, vessels and locations of perpetrators, and guidance to meetings of dissidents and Outcasts, you can bargain for both life and freedom, _whatever_ your crimes." "With this in mind, I regret very much the necessity of luring you all here this evening. The building is surrounded and there are Inquisition agents stationed around the room. I'd advise you all to surrender quietly, to save the mortal souls who toil in upstairs offices." "Goodnight." - -- Testament of Nehamaiah, Outcast Seraph of Light _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:25:51 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Mikey - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ranma al'Thor" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:56 AM Subject: Re: IN> Consider Mikey > Of course they are. Especially the older ones. They may come to change > their interpretation of their words over time, but a being that draws that > much power from a word will naturally be ruled by it. *wince* Like I said, even if that were true, I didn't really want to know. Like the old saying about how sausages and laws are made, there are some things where, if you knew how they really worked, it'd put a damper on the fun. And given that this game is, when all else is said and done, about having fun...? Well, your tastes my vary, but what's fun about imagining a universe where the lunatics all run the asylum, plotting against each other at every turn? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:55:06 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Ivy >Moe, the scary thing is that as far as I can see, she's gone totally >barking >mad. > Yep, right up there with Daisy. Yich. Janet _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 06:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... All of you people who are writing this stuff are SICK!!! And I hope you never change. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:04:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* At 11:48 PM -0400 4/28/01, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 3:42 PM -0700 4/28/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >>...it needs feeding. Any recommendations for good >>IN-themed books? Just dug something up. _Fate_ Magazine, full of reports of "the strange and unknown." It's not necessarily IN- themed, but it is probably full of plot hooks and such. (www.fatemag.com) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:35:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Serving one's word At 6:04 PM -0500 4/30/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: >> or in the case of the wind servitor malakim "Because you are protesting >> Judgement you are now a crimminal and an outcast" > >Please don't exaggerate. Obstruction Of Judgement is an offense, but it's >not an Outcasting offense. It does, however, mean that Judgement will hang >around you *forever*... or until Dominic's next weekly visit, whichever >comes first. (To corroborate: See p. 67 of S1, both the box and the second column on that page. The "hang around a week" is extrapolation.) >> What about Dominic dissaproving of corporeal sex, why can he simply not >> eliminate this as per his orders? > >Because the Most Just actually *is* Just, and not just an Asmodeus makeover >in a bedsheet. And because there's a difference between "disapproving" and "forbidding." See pp. 58-59, regarding intimate relationships, on Earth and in Heaven. If the Symphony corroborates that the subject is not biased (if a Judge itself) or in danger of becoming selfish because of that sex thing (everyone), then Dominic accepts that. (Of course, his _own_ people always get the, "And you're still unbiased about this relationship?" question when he reviews them.) >Dominic never wanted to be made an Archangel. Hrm? Page ref? I don't recall it being said one way or the other whether Dominic had aspirations to Superior-hood (to better do his job, if he did) or wanted to remain a "mere" Word-bound, or was neutral. >There is not *one single second* of Dominic's life where he doesn't blame >himself all over again for 'not discovering stopping Lucifer in time', Perhaps a bit strong, depending on campaign, but moderately implicit in the _Self-Policing_ segment on p. 64. (Now, if anyone has a different copy of Superiors 1 than the one I have (i.e., different text!), I'd very much like to see some scans of it. Research into other timelines is a common hobby amongst those with contact with SJGames.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:39:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Re: The Impudite Theme Song? At 7:03 PM -0500 4/30/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: >Anyway, the reason I bring it up here is because the lyrics might as well be >the Impudite Theme Song -- at least, if it were sung by a female Impudite This, sadly, treads into the territory of "In Nomine Music," which is, let me remind everyone, FORBIDDEN. If this thread can stick to THIS SONG AND THIS SONG ONLY, in an In Nomine context, then it can last till its natural death. If it strays into "other songs" (including lyrics), then it must die instantly and I will be very annoyed with everyone. If people want to collect lyrics or songs that are IN-flavored, they may, as is mentioned in the listrules, make a webpage and post the URL. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:46:48 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Impudite Theme Song? Might I also remind everyone to _NOT_ use Funny Symbols or "smartquotes" (curly quotes) in things? Observe... At 12:57 AM -0400 5/1/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: >Written by Erik Przytulski, © 2001 Pretzyl Music ^ I see a half-cut-off copyright (C) symbol. Amazing, it actually translated for me. >A little smile and youíre playing the fool ^ That's an "i" with a backwards accent[1] for a dot. [1] (accent = ` on my keyboard.) >I'm sure I'll be there in a minute or two (or three or four...) This ' translates fine. >You know Iíd never take advantage of you - now shoo! That's another funky-i. I'll stop pointing those out now, because they're mixed around -- but there are a lot of "i"s. >Don't hate me ëcause I'm beautiful ^ That's an "e" with a couple of dots above it. If you are copying and pasting things into your emailer, PLEASE be thorough in removing all the non-7bit-ascii characters. Failure to do so can result in some pretty ugly and annoying text. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:52:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Consider Ivy At 8:33 PM -0700 4/30/01, Maurice Lane wrote: [snip] Hee hee hee. Well, now everyone knows why I wanted to put Chris with the Eli/Novalis/Jordi trio, instead of Zadkiel, don't they? Heck, even I now know why it felt so right... (Nitpick: no Council before the Fall. O:> ) Hang around, Moe. You're fun. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:54:06 -0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: IN> New Discord: Incandescence Inspired by vampire films, I present a discord for your delighted delectation... New Discord: Incandescence This Celestial Discord is one of the inconvenient types that reveal the celestial's nature. It affects both Angels and Demons although in a slightly different manner. It is also _far_ more common amongst the Horde. Any symbols of a divine religion within Cel Forces x Level feet are affected according to the following table (for demons): Incandescence/1 The symbol heats up, becoming extremely warm (though not hot enough to burn) Incandescence/2: The symbol becomes scaldingly hot, and if held, requires a Will roll to keep hold of it. Incandescence/3: As /2 above, but the symbol actually starts smouldering. Incandescence/4: The symbol bursts into flame, inflicting 1 body hit per round on anyone holding it, and requiring a will roll at -2 each round to keep hold of. there is a good chance it will set flammable materials afflame if it is in contact with them. Incandescence/5: The symbol becomes a raging inferno, inflicting D3 body hits on the holder, and is automatically dropped. Incandescence/6: The symbol explodes violently, inflicting D6 body hits on anyone within 2 feet. This discord operates somewhat diferently for Angels. At each level, the symbol glows brighter and brighter, becoming unbearable to look at. anyone looking in the direction of the symbol suffers a penalty to vision related rolls equal to Level / 2. Interestingly, this discord can also affect ethereals. only two cases of this have ever been recorded, and on both occasions it was the _angelic_ form that was observed. The ethereals in question were a servant of the Loas, and an escaped dream fragment that appeared to have taken on the form of Edward the Confessor. Dominic obviously has both these reports, and they are both ultra-classified. still, rumours persist... - -FallenSeraph "I still believe in God, but He no longer believes in me..." http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:26:55 -0500 From: "John Walter Biles" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Mikey On 1 May 01, at 7:25, Charles Glasgow wrote: > Like the old saying about how sausages and laws are made, there are some > things where, if you knew how they really worked, it'd put a damper on the > fun. And given that this game is, when all else is said and done, about > having fun...? > > Well, your tastes my vary, but what's fun about imagining a universe where > the lunatics all run the asylum, plotting against each other at every > turn? Well, one could cite the game Paranoia, but... :) I don't actually see them as being quite so isolationist into their own mindset to the point where all other Archangels are fools who must be their tools. But I do agree that the Archangels are going to have a very hard time seeing any other perspective than their own word as valid if that perspective deviates much from theirs at all. It's a step beyond ideology, from holding an ideology to being that ideology made flesh. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu http://www.dkcomm.net/rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "That all princes shall kiss the foot of the Pope alone."--Dictatus Papae, 11th century ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:24:51 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: On being Word-bound... (was Re: IN> Consider Mikey) >Well, one could cite the game Paranoia, but... :) ... Paranoia is only fun as a satire of what RPG gaming should actually be. Around here, at least, we play it only for an occasional break from having to actually role-play. >I don't actually see them as being quite so isolationist into their own >mindset to the point where all other Archangels are fools who must be >their tools. That's what scared me about both vignettes -- in each case, they *had* gone that far. Novalis' especially. I know that they're not supposed to be human... but I can't see how what would be clled raving megalomania in a human being can be perfect sanity in another sentient species. I mean, humans and angels *do* still live inside the same overall Symphony, after all. There is only one angel that I know of, in In Nomine canon, who is written as having been unshakably possessed of the belief that only he alone had a true Vision of how things were and how they should be, a vision that only he saw, and more importantly -- a vision that only he could ever see. Lucifer. Again, this is entirely my personal opinion, but I feel more comfortable looking upon Word-Bound as being individuals who are unshakably devoted to a cause, yet still individuals who can still judge freely. Subordinating all that you are or ever will be to one and only one narrow concept produces a mind-set similar to Tom Clancy's conception of a die-hard Marxist terrorist. IMO. *brrrrrrrrrrrrr* - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Perfect Pet Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:44:38 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> The Perfect Pet >All this talk of Dominc and his Kitten have gotten me >to think: > >"What about Asmodeus? The Poor Little Djinn's all >alone..." > >Well, no longer... ^^ Great. Now I'm seeing Asmodeus as a demented Charlie Brown. Thanks _ever_ so much... ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Celestial Glory Question Has anyone written up a GURPS IN version of the Celestial Glory martial art styles from the Pyramid article yet? And if so, where can I find it? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:25:39 -0500 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Glory Question >From: Maurice Lane >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Celestial Glory Question >Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:47:39 -0700 (PDT) > >Has anyone written up a GURPS IN version of the >Celestial Glory martial art styles from the Pyramid >article yet? > >And if so, where can I find it? > >Moe Not that I'm aware of though knowing you, you'll probaly come up with one if you don't find it. *Ponders if putting Ideas in Moe's head is something he should be doing* Brad _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 20:26:42 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Moelane Moelane, Ofanite Archangel of Forbidden Knowledge The beauty of the world is found in the unknown and unexpected. Let me show you. The Archangel of Forbidden Knowledge was once a Servitor of Raphael, assisting in collating information that was sent in by field agents and then finding statistical anomalies and abnormalities. After the death of Raphael at the hands of Legion, Moelane found himself in the service of Janus. Given very few specific orders except to 'shake things up a bit', Moelane went through a phase of trying to reorganize the Library. While doing so, Moelane stumbled onto Raphael and Yves's 'Special Collection' - where all the books that the two of them had deemed unsafe were kept. After that, 'shaking things up' became quite a bit easier... No one remembers precisely when Moelane actually became a Superior, or how it occurred, or when he'd ever been assigned a Word for that matter, but at this stage of the game, the point is moot. The Servitors of Forbidden Knowledge are considered by the Host to be some of the most fascinating people in Heaven, if also some of the most dangerous. The reaction is somewhat similar to that of most of the Horde to Vapulans - they have some of the most interesting things up their sleeve, but you never know if the device that they're waving around is going to eat its opponent or its wielder. Moelane never appears in the same vessel twice, but his Servitors can always recognize him on sight. Alternating between fiery and emotional, then passive and quiet the next moment, there is nonetheless an energy in his motions and his words that always conveys a sense of a hidden joke that lies just around the bend. Dissonance - Servitors of Moelane must always be bringing knowledge that others might shy away from into the light. A Servitor of Moelane can not go more than 3 days without either teaching another about something that they were not meant to know, or searching for new sources of knowledge to draw upon. Attunement - Seraphim - The Seraphim of Forbidden Knowledge are past masters of Conversational Misdirection, and can often see right through it. If a subject of their resonance is attempting to dance around the truth with CM, the Seraph gains an additional +2 to the check die of a successful Cherubim - Cherubim of Forbidden Knowledge are the primary guardians of the caches of books, scrolls and other forms of forbidden knowledge. The Cherub can attune to a particular piece of information that he has access to, and with a check die of 5+ on a resonance roll know the location of whoever else is looking for said information. Ofanim - The Ofanim of Forbidden Knowledge are some of the best researchers in existence. Their resonance can be applied to computer operation, library use or any other skill that directly applies to finding knowledge. Elohim - The Elohim of Forbidden Knowledge can look into the eyes of a subject of their resonance and know automatically what their feelings are in regards to a particular topic of discussion - roll only for check die and chance of intervention. The Elohim of Forbidden Knowledge will also know instinctively whether someone is trying to find knowledge in order to supress its release. Bright Lilim - The Bright Lilim of Forbidden Knowledge can automatically detect a need for Knowledge that the subject believes they do not have clearance for. Roll only for the check die and intervention. A Bright Lilim who has a geasable bit of information and chooses to give it freely can lose a point of Word-gained dissonance in this way. Malakim - The Malakim of Forbidden Knowledge have an inherent sense of whether or not a person truly wishes to keep something secret. On a successful resonance roll, the Malakite can tell if the subject of their resonance is hiding knowledge, and on a CD of 4+ can gain an insight into what is being hidden _from the subject's point of view_. This in no way mimics the Seraphim's ability to gain a greater Truth from the Symphony, only from the subject's mind. Kyriotate - The Kyriotates of Forbidden Knowledge have a better understanding of the human mind than most of their fellows, and therefore have a second option available to them when possessing a host. Upon rolling a successful possession, the Kyriotate has the option to enter the body, but allowing the human to retain control. By doing so, the Kyriotate has the ability to read the thoughts and memories of the host, but if he attempts to take control of the body as per standard possession, the mind is forced away and the memories fade quickly. Mercurian - The Mercurians of Forbidden Knowledge gain a +2 to the check die of a successful resonance roll, and can automatically know what sorts of knowledge a person is seeking. If the subject is engaged in a discussion of that particular type of knowledge, the resonance roll is automatically successful, needing only to roll for check die and intervention. Servitor Attunements - Library Card - As Per Yves's Library Card Attunement Acquire - Similar to Janus's Swipe Attunement, but an object taken will not be noticed missing for the amount of time equal to the Swipe attunement. If the Servitor is stopped and searched, the object will be found on their person. Minor Globe of Ineffability - By spending 5 Essence, the Servitor can shield himself from prying eyes. For a number of hours equal to his Celestial Forces, any resonance roll directed towards the Servitor with a check die lower than 5 will automatically fail. Expeditious Withdrawal - This attunement was not originally planned by Moelane, but was upgraded and modified by that noteworthy party after use of other methods achieving the same results began to skyrocket. By spending 3 Essence, the Servitor can instantly find himself transported to a safe place. The Withdrawn party can not be tracked by any means for 8 minutes minus the Celestial Forces of the would-be tracker. If the tracker is a Superior, the attunement will cost 6 Essence and will not prevent the Superior from knowing where they are, but will instead transport the servitor to either the entrance of Special Collections where they can enter Moelane's Cathedral, or to wherever Moelane happens to be at that time. Distinctions - Friend of the Forbidden - A Friend of the Forbidden can always identify someone is is involved in the concealment of knowledge. Vassal of Secrecy - Vassals of Secrecy can take a look at any type of forbidden knowledge and know who it is forbidden to - and why. Master of Propaganda - A Master of Propaganda can look at any media and tell if there are hidden meanings in them and what they are. If the holder of this Distinction is a Seraph, he gains an automatic +2 to the check die of any attempt to resonate media. Rites - (1),(3) Spend 8 hours in a library doing research Spend 2 hours teaching someone about a forbidden subject 'Acquire' classified information from a human agency (+2) 'Acquire' classified information from a celestial agency (+3) Relations - Allied - Litheroy, Janus Associated - Eli, Yves Neutral - All others (Dominic is Hostile to Moelane) Invocation - Base Invocation - 2 (5 if invoked in Special Collections) +1 - Being in a library +2 - A Private File Section +3 - Classified Corporeal Documents +4 - Classified Celestial Documents +5 - Proof of a global conspiracy +6 - Proof of something that is CDaU (1) This is Moe, (2) right? (2) You know, Moe. King of Footnotes (3) 'Acquire' means 'get by whatever means work', not necessarily by use of the Attunement.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2195 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.