From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed May 2 22:06:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13734 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 22:06:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA16718 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 22:14:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:14:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200105030314.WAA16718@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2198 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2198 In this digest: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> Fallen Moelane (Geez, Beth, how do you stand the embarrassment?) Re: IN> Fallen Moelane (Geez, Beth, how do you stand the embarrassment?) Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> Moelane Re: IN> Consider Mikey Re: IN> Fallen Moelane Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... IN> Consider Mikey Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... IN> List Superiors IN> Consider the Reaper Re: IN> List Superiors Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> Fallen Moelane (Geez, Beth, how do you stand the embarrassment?) Re: IN> Moelane IN> Consider Iolanthe Re: IN> Consider Iolanthe Re: IN> Consider Iolanthe Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Re: IN> List Superiors Re:IN> Michael's Plan... Re: Re:IN> Michael's Plan... IN> Here's a laugh . . . Re: Ofanites (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) Re: IN> List Superiors Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu for GURPS In Nomine (was: Celestial Glory Question) Re: Re:IN> Michael's Plan... Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... IN> seeking John Karakesh IN> Score one for Magog . . . Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... IN> April 21, 2001 (ML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:54:39 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Look on the bright side, Charles. At least you won't have to worry about that annoying Kyrio of Lightning attunement :) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:08:09 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... How dark is your game? Even if it's only a little dark, there's a compelling argument that any angels who have been so easily led by the Lightbringer must be terminated. Faced with the prospect of being turned into mulch by Michael or going Outcast, what would your angels pick? OOOOOOOOH. I just thought up an evil, evil, evil game idea. HAH! I am so happy. Angels are duped by a Demon Prince. An Archangel is summoned and sees the situation for what it is and dukes it out with the Prince. The angels are deemed deficient and are scheduled to be recycled... and if they go Outcast, their hearts are right there in Heaven, making them hunted like dogs. But if they *jump*, they have a chance of surviving, and maybe clearing their names. Especially if they have a demon "friend" who tells them it's not so bad... Thanks! Ben There are no limits to what can be accomplished if you do not care who gets the credit. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:09:40 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... >Look on the bright side, Charles. At least you won't have to worry about >that annoying Kyrio of Lightning attunement :) Yes, watching the incredibly annoying Kyrio of Lightning immolate himself was one of the definite high points of my evening. *eg* Another one was watching the worst gun-bunny player spend the entire adventure being responsible, mature, prudent, and diligent -- while playing his Blade/Punisher Malakite of War. I guess making a player the party leader [1] *does* produce a drastic sea-change in people. Some people, at least. A third one was hearing the young lady playing Crystal, Elohite of Destiny. explain why she'd invoked Yves right after the Michael/Lucifer encounter (besides the obvious reason, natch)... because she'd seen a window of opportunity to at least try and patch up one of Heaven's greatest grudges. Michael immediately after encountering Lucifer is not in a mood to be petty, and him and Yves are desperately working together to try and forestall the plot, and by the time Michael recovers enough to remember that he can't stand Yves, it'll be too late. First time playing In Nomine, and she's not only daring to think on that kind of scale, but doing so intelligently. Will her plan work? Not ideally, but *something* oughtta happen... (After all, Michael's major grudge vs. Dominic is what happened to Gabriel. And now Yves is working with Michael to save yet another innocent Archangel from the Inquisition. Like I said -- *clever* young lady.) So no, last night wasn't a total disaster. It's just that things went well *despite* my best efforts, not because of them, so I'm (in addition to providing entertainment for the audience... I hope) soliciting feedback. - -- Chuckg [1] The Kyrio's player was even more unsuitable for it, the Elohite's and Ofanite's players didn't want it, and it originally started out as one of Michael's missions [2] and he was the only War servitor, so it was Hobson's choice. [2] So, in a party of Kyrio of Lightning IST War, Malakite of War, and Ofanite of Wind, how'd the Elohite of *Destiny* get invited along? Yves had independently found out what was going on and sent her to butt in, how else? *eg* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:11:08 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... but everybody luuuuuuuuuurves the kryio attunement, as recent messages on the list indicates, its a smooth flowing game enhancing attunement. >From: Jo Hart >Look on the bright side, Charles. At least you won't have to worry about >that annoying Kyrio of Lightning attunement Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:12:30 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... >How dark is your game? Even if it's only a little dark, there's a >compelling argument that any angels who have been so easily led by the >Lightbringer must be terminated. Well, there's the thing. With the exception of the Kyrio's player, *none* of 'em fell for it. Only one of them suspected that it wasn't Eli, but all the rest had at least gotten as far as "We shouldn't do what he's asking us to do -- I Invoke My Superior Now!" Either I overestimated me or underestimated them -- probably both. >Faced with the prospect of being turned into mulch by Michael or going >Outcast, what would your angels pick? Well, they're soon gonna be hunted anyway -- Lucifer has to discredit these particular witnesses *fast*, as well as obliterate 'em. I threw Asmodeus in partly to give them a fighting chance, as well as tossing them yet another moral test. As far as your idea? *Clever*. Not what I'm gonna do next, but very clever. Glad I could help... it reassures me that these posts of mine in this thread *aren't* just wasting bandwidth. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Moelane (Geez, Beth, how do you stand the embarrassment?) - --- Daiv wrote: > Hah. I laugh at you. Heartily. For my deep dark > secret (now, > don't tell anyone, okay?); my name is David Morris. > Do you have any idea the number of Morris the Cat jokes > I heard as a kid? I feel your pain. My last name is Walton -- I've heard every variation on "Good night, John Boy" known to Man. And Jonathan, poor soul, matches the first name, too! Personally, I think it's a plot by Kobal to twist people's minds and turn them into IN writers. Hmmm... based on the examples given, Kobal's plan seems to have worked. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:22:23 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Moelane (Geez, Beth, how do you stand the embarrassment?) From: "Michael Walton" > > I feel your pain. My last name is Walton -- I've heard > every variation on "Good night, John Boy" known to Man. I'm not saying which character it was, but I still get the "Sanford and Son" jokes from some of my friends... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:21:19 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Look on the bright side, Charles. You didn't lose control of your game anywhere nearly so badly as my GM lost control of the last one he ran. It was designed to be a murder mystery, with our PCs tracking down who was killing a number of angels in the campaign city. When one of us rolled a 111 on our search of the latest crime scene, I joked about us finding the killer's wallet, and the GM decided to let that be the result of the roll. What was supposed to be a multi-session storyline got wrapped up in one. At least you still have things you can play out from *your* game... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:37:58 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: Re: IN> Moelane > And then there's the other Superiors' opinions of him... Part of me wants to write up Moelane's Superior opinions just so I could do the remarks between him and Belial. Still, that would be too easy, wouldn't it? :) Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:15:57 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Mikey > Actually if you think about it, the differeneces do not have to be so > readily apparent. > > "My viewpoint is the best way to serve the Symphony." > > the others are NOT incorrect but they instead fall underneath the auspices > of my word or are misguided. That, IMO, is an attitude dangerously close to falling. I don't think even that is quite how it works for an Archangel. For them, it is not "Mine is the Best Way", but rather, "This is the Job I have been Granted". Assuredly, they view things through a filter of their Word, but at the same time, I wouldn't say it's a matter of that Word being the most important thing to them. The Symphony takes that spot. Their Word is simply the area that they've been told to maintain, and they do so. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel (and occasionaly Profound Philisophical Thoughts) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:06:22 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Moelane > > Then again, I did put some really bad plays on words in two of my > > "Gone to Graveyards" installments, so I suppose I'm not exactly > > entitled to throw the first stone... > > > > You can't do that, remember? Dissonant. Wouldn't that be 2 notes? One for throwing the first stone, and another because you threw it in the first place? Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:15:43 -0400 From: "Matthew B. Gerber" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... Ben Glickler wrote: > How dark is your game? Even if it's only a little dark, there's a > compelling argument that any angels who have been so easily led by the > Lightbringer must be terminated. Faced with the prospect of being turned > into mulch by Michael or going Outcast, what would your angels pick? This isn't "a little dark", it's really, *really* freaking dark. In fact, it's well past Dark; it's downright Backwards. Considering the fact that every one of the PCs but one hit what's got to be the most Correct Response they could conceivably have come up with in any but the most Gordian campaign - "this is *way* over my head, throw it Upstairs as fast and far as I can, *now*" - hitting them with "okay, the leaders of the good guys now want to kill you" is punishing them for doing the right thing because you didn't expect them to. As Charles is fond of saying, this isn't Paranoia. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:11:16 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... > Either I'm about to finish a really high-style Major Epic In Nomine campaign > with Big-League Moving and Shaking, or else I've let this thing get totally > out of control. Probably the latter. Speaking as the GM for my group, I'd say it can -easily- be both. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:20:04 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Consider Mikey > The difference is not "I am all there is and that I am the only one who can > understand" but "I am the sum of the truth of all that there is and everyone > should follow my lead." >*What* difference? A man who cannot believe he is right is certainly not an angel nor does any angel have any right to the title of word-bound let alone archangel unless they are supremely sure of their ability to lead or their cause. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:15:53 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... > Well, there's the thing. With the exception of the Kyrio's player, *none* > of 'em fell for it. Only one of them suspected that it wasn't Eli, but all > the rest had at least gotten as far as "We shouldn't do what he's asking us > to do -- I Invoke My Superior Now!" I just thought of how LOUD that note would be. They were probably hearing it in Taiwan. Maybe you could make use of that. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:25:21 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> List Superiors >> Petitioner for the Word of I get to write up Eric >> Burns. > > I dare you. I double dog dare you. Hmm ... definately an Elohite/Habbalite, considering the way Eric tends to evoke emotional "moods" in his work ... Alfred, Elohite Archangel of Subtlety? "The world is a beautiful place, but indulging completely in that beauty overwhelms the senses and spoils the experience. It is better then to sip slowly and carefully from the cup of grace, savoring it drop by drop, so that the well will never run dry and the taste of sweetness will always be on our lips." Just my initial thought ... >> Or maybe David Edel... > > I *triple* dog dare you. Hmm ... part of me is really intrigued by the idea of an Archangel of Atheism, but I don't think I would be able to write one convincingly or appropriately. A really good Word for David escapes me at the moment ... In any case, I think he'd make a great Djinn or, better yet, a Grigori (since he always seems to step in when there's a disturbance on the list). Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:39:10 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Consider the Reaper All systems tend toward Entropy. The fundemental truth of the universe I realized when I saw BILLIONS OF ORGANISMS WIPED OUT IN A SINGLE MOMENT as the dinosaurs perished in a terrible meteor strike. What I didn't understand then as a Kyriotate of Jordi was that already billions of organisms were dying every second in the form of bacteria. Insects living single weeks form the largest bulk of death after them and other small creatures and animals after them but for the largest animal of them all; man. It took me years of soul-searching, scanning Raphael's library, and torture of myself to begin recognizing the truth which was both startling and horrofying to my consciousness. Death is the one constant in the universe and even angels are meant to die. The Metatron's soul-death confirmed my worst fears because it meant that all our vaunted pretensions about being the immortal ever living children of God were nothing and that we were tools that were going to be shredded by God when our purpose was done. WE WERE FRIGGING BIO-DEGRADABLE FROM THE GET GO! I was small and weak during the Fall but spent my time in the training schools of the Fall where I tore the wings off newborn relivers and dashed their heads against the floors of Heaven. Others called this atrocity but if we were going to destroy a angel's SOUL why not destroy their ability to replenish their numbers before they emerged? Every child, human, or bacteria which was born I recognized as a potential footsoldier for God that needed to be eradicated before they could rise up and help the progenitor who was going to toss us aside like the mulch we were. Still even the other demons called me mad, MAD I TELL YOU. To them the name Saminga was that of a purile monster who had no honor, Baal spat on my head, and Malphas found me a wasteful creature. I knew none of them had dared realize just what we had to do to kill God. Yes God must die. Energy is not infinite nor is he, it merely requires that we use it up and prevent it from rejoining the whole of the Symphony. The fools call me an idiot but they do not understand that I could be neither for I possesed vision. I studied under the Egyptian Gods the secrets of Death that mankind had incarnated in them amidst my own terrible experimentations. I needed to know that God could be defeated but after many years I found the secret in undeath. Lucifer believing himself able to combat something he did not comprehend like Death gave me the Princeship of such but he did not understand the power he lost in doing so. Celestials I am certain are dying just like the Symphony is and thus even his great power is only transitary. A baby is dying the moment it is born and so is a reliever, so is him. I know it is my destiny to be soul-killed or run out of essence as my forces degrade but I MUST TAKE *GOD* WITH ME! Each celestial soul-killed on Hell's side uses up essence not easily replaced and much the same with human bodies but God is able to replenish it over time save in a single case; the undead. A being who gives nothing back to the Symphony but sucks it away and whose soul is destroyed if his body is. They are like blinding soldiers and maiming them, drains on the resources of those that take care of them. As the most powerful of Princes I am still not strong enough to eradicate enough life that will weaken God enough that I can slay him but give me time. A world of the undead I am sure will be enough. In the meantime though I must work carefully to destroy God's chosen champions to strengthen myself. Legion was my first sucessful experiment to that regard because if faced against Heaven alone he might have created the world of undead and devoured enough of God I could be victorious on but he ended up only destroying Raphael. A pity. Makatiel and Mariel were useful foils to keeping Heaven from feeding their gluttoneous progenitor for a time but there are few like them now but Asmodeus and Haagenti feared the power they wield and I lost useful tools. Fufur is not strong enough and Belial burnings are ineffective compared to the undead or diseased. Drugs may prove useful however.....disease still exists as well and other weapons I can use....mark my words God I am a dead celestial walking but I will die with my hands around your throat! I AM YOUR END! - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:40:12 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> List Superiors At 3:25 PM -0400 5/2/01, Jonathan Walton wrote: > >Alfred, Elohite Archangel of Subtlety? > >"The world is a beautiful place, but indulging completely in that >beauty overwhelms the senses and spoils the experience. It is >better then to sip slowly and carefully from the cup of grace, >savoring it drop by drop, so that the well will never run dry and >the taste of sweetness will always be on our lips." That's just one micron from being a tea metaphor, which is frighteningly apropos.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:45:55 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... >I just thought of how LOUD that note would be. They were probably hearing >it in Taiwan. Maybe you could make use of that. For obvious reasons, Lucifer was doing his best to keep anybody from hearing anything at that site. Which means that it was durn quiet, indeed. Even so, the cataclysm at the end celestially deafened the entire state of Wyoming for an hour. (And if I'd been thinking better at the time, I'd have had it deafen the entire solar system for a day.) I *could* have used that, admitted. But when you're seeing an entire adventure mini-series spontaneously disintegrate due to one die roll, and are trying to rewrite the entire damn thing from scratch on the fly, sometimes you miss a bet or two. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:13:14 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... > > How dark is your game? Even if it's only a little dark, there's a > > compelling argument that any angels who have been so easily led by the > > Lightbringer must be terminated. Faced with the prospect of being turned > > into mulch by Michael or going Outcast, what would your angels pick? > > This isn't "a little dark", it's really, *really* freaking dark. In > fact, it's well past Dark; it's downright Backwards. Is it that dark? Could you conceive of an Elohite Archangel -- or for that matter, Gabriel or Dominic -- destroying servitors for consorting, even without their knowledge, with Lucifer? It'd be like the CIA terminating a spy when that spy gets played by the Russians. It gets dark very fast if the players choose to jump instead of get destroyed, but... > Matt Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:22:19 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... From: "Ben Glickler" <> Only in a screamingly Dark, Low-Contrast or Backwards game. Unless Lucifer has actually messed with the Servitor's head in ways that mean the Servitor is better off dead, which should be specified if that's what you mean. <> Quite true. That would also be utterly inappropriate for a game in which the CIA is meant to be seen as good. <> No, it has the potential to get Bright again (in that Backwards kind of way) if the character, upon seeing that Heaven has no concept of justice, chooses to Jump instead of getting destroyed for no reason. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:27:23 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Moelane (Geez, Beth, how do you stand the embarrassment?) - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Walton To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: IN> Fallen Moelane (Geez, Beth, how do you stand the embarrassment?) > >--- Daiv wrote: >> Hah. I laugh at you. Heartily. For my deep dark >> secret (now, >> don't tell anyone, okay?); my name is David Morris. >> Do you have any idea the number of Morris the Cat jokes >> I heard as a kid? > > I feel your pain. My last name is Walton -- I've heard >every variation on "Good night, John Boy" known to Man. >And Jonathan, poor soul, matches the first name, too! >Personally, I think it's a plot by Kobal to twist people's >minds and turn them into IN writers. > Hmmm... based on the examples given, Kobal's plan seems >to have worked. };> I must admit to being yet another person with such a problem. My name, Rolland Therrien, also happens to be the name of a Boulevard near my town. So I was called "Boulevard Guy" an awful lot during my High School years... ...But then, I've spent my whole childhood and teenage years being the butt of jokes and bullying of all kinds. And considering how often I lost my temper back then, maybe I had whole classes full of Habbalah to contend with... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Moelane Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:36:03 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Moelane >>Morgan >>Kyriotate of Destiny >>Petitioner for the Word of I get to write up Eric >>Burns. > >I dare you. Ha! >I double dog dare you. Double Ha! > >> Or maybe David Edel... > >I *triple* dog dare you. Tripl... You had to triple dog dare me, huh?* :) Moe *First, of course, I'll need to work out the right Words (Belaboring the Point is all right, I suppose, but we'll need something with a little more oomph for Superior-level. David E. ... I have to think about that one). ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:47:29 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Consider Iolanthe Oooo good! *munch munch* Bright shiny! *take* Yucky bad *goes away from eyedropper* - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:55:39 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Iolanthe Thank you, Charles. I was in a thoroughly bad mood, and you just made it go completely away. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" > Oooo good! > > *munch munch* > > Bright shiny! > > *take* > > Yucky bad > > *goes away from eyedropper* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:59:43 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Consider Iolanthe I think that's one thing I admire about Iolanthe. She manages to convey such a deep meaning with a small vocabulary. -:-) Nicely done, Charles. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:37:43 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... >So, for the first play session, the final score was three successful >Archangel Invocations, one personal appearance by the Lightbringer, >Armageddon almost starting early, one Kyriotate of Lightning Falling like a >dropped anvil (since I was running an all-angel campaign, I said "OK, you >Fell? Instant NPC. Make a new character." And yes, he'd been warned of >that *before* he chose to Jump. *ROTFL* And I thought I had troubles ... although since my players haven't even gotten to the adventure yet, they may well produce a similar situation once they do. Nothing would surprise me less. >And I swear, if I can get out of this with even half my dignity intact, the >next IN campaign I'm running is gonna be the all Soldiers-of-God campaign, >at a power level where a mere 12-Force Calabite will look like the Saint of >Killers. > Soldiers of God can be just as much trouble as angels. Trust me on this. Good luck. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:34:53 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> List Superiors Jonathan Walton wrote: > Hmm ... part of me is really intrigued by the idea of an Archangel of > Atheism, I don't make a big deal of being an atheist; it's hardly my defining trait. > but I don't think I would be able to write one convincingly or > appropriately. A really good Word for David escapes me at the moment ... I am the Elohite Angel of Not Suffering Fools Gladly, or the Habbalite Demon of Sarcasm, depending on my current mood. - -David ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 2001 00:43:07 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> Michael's Plan... 1 May 2001 18:00 Rolland Therrien wrote: [snip] >"And that's the beauty of the plan. I'll be doing what I do best: Being a >Warrior, while Laurence will do what he does best, which is being a >Commander. > >"To each his own..." it's a good plan, even if it does assume everyone will follow his lead into Hell, but my pressing question is this: why not go after Lucifer instead of Baal, since Michael is more capable and more intent on grudge-matches than Lucifer? -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:47:40 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Re:IN> Michael's Plan... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=|horsefly|=-" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re:IN> Michael's Plan... > 1 May 2001 18:00 Rolland Therrien wrote: > [snip] > >"And that's the beauty of the plan. I'll be doing what I do best: Being a > >Warrior, while Laurence will do what he does best, which is being a > >Commander. > > > >"To each his own..." > > it's a good plan, even if it does assume everyone will follow his lead into Hell, > but my pressing question is this: why not go after Lucifer instead of Baal, since > Michael is more capable and more intent on grudge-matches than Lucifer? a) Lucifer leads from the back. b) Michael vs. Lucifer may be good odds or may not be. But Michael + Laurence + Everybody Else + Entire Host Of Heaven vs. Lucifer Without Any Demons Left 'Cause They All Just Got Vaporized In Righteous Battle is a better set of odds. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:43:18 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Here's a laugh . . . http://www.crackerjap.com/comic/html/devil2.shtml yeah, it's . . . well, let's just say your players will either hate you or love you if you this to one of their characters . . . - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers Serving Destiny . . . errrr . . . I mean, Creation, yeah. damn, I hate it when I do that . . . perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "A person's character is his destiny." - --fortune cookie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:44:54 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: Ofanites (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Glasgow" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:58 AM Subject: Ofanites (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) > > I updated Yophiel's advantages to include Trained by Master, though > because > > she's a Celestial and therefore innately Supernatural, I don't know if > it's > > necessary. > > G:IN has servitors of Michael paying the standard 40 pts. for their Trained > By A Master advantage -- it's included in the costs given for all of > Michael's Choir Attunements. (This means that your second attunement costs > 40 pts. less than listed.) oh yeah, thanks, I've updated the page accordingly. - -Perry, Kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "A person's character is his destiny." - --fortune cookie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:52:54 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> List Superiors > I am the Elohite Angel of Not Suffering Fools Gladly, or the Habbalite > Demon of Sarcasm, depending on my current mood. Reminds me of an idea I had for a comedic IN campaign a while back. It was a malakite of Yves whose defining oath was 'I shall not suffer an idiot to live'. Note the lack of the 'when it is my choice' caveat. Worst part was that he was going to have a role as a high school teacher. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:50:40 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu for GURPS In Nomine (was: Celestial Glory Question) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth McCoy" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu for GURPS In Nomine (was: Celestial Glory Question) > At 8:40 AM -0700 5/2/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: > > >I updated Yophiel's advantages to include Trained by Master, though because > >she's a Celestial and therefore innately Supernatural, I don't know if it's > >necessary. And I also added the damage bonuses she receives from Karate, > >Boxing and Brawling skills. > > She's War, right? She gets TbaM automatically, as part of her "Choir > Attunement." p. GIN102, Choir Attunements header. > > Oh, and upon first baby-awake-what-is-concentration? skim, it looked > entertaining. The Songs aren't quite right, though -- the ethereal > plane is -5 to skill; only in the celestial realm are Songs unpenalized. > > (Man, maxed out IN characters convert scary into GURPS. O:> ) !d'oh! (change updated) mini-tanks, and YES, yes they do . . . (hence our Bright Lilim with Perception *26* in GIN) - -Perry, kFc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:44:05 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: Re:IN> Michael's Plan... - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Glasgow To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Re:IN> Michael's Plan... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "-=|horsefly|=-" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:43 PM >Subject: Re:IN> Michael's Plan... > > >> 1 May 2001 18:00 Rolland Therrien wrote: >> [snip] >> >"And that's the beauty of the plan. I'll be doing what I do best: Being >a >> >Warrior, while Laurence will do what he does best, which is being a >> >Commander. >> > >> >"To each his own..." >> >> it's a good plan, even if it does assume everyone will follow his lead >into Hell, >> but my pressing question is this: why not go after Lucifer instead of >Baal, since >> Michael is more capable and more intent on grudge-matches than Lucifer? > >a) Lucifer leads from the back. > >b) Michael vs. Lucifer may be good odds or may not be. But Michael + >Laurence + Everybody Else + Entire Host Of Heaven vs. Lucifer Without Any >Demons Left 'Cause They All Just Got Vaporized In Righteous Battle is a >better set of odds. Plus, my idea was to have Michael think strategically, rather then just as a wrestler with a grudge; he knows that Hell's armies depend on Baal keeping them organized. So take out Baal, and you're effectively disabling the Demonic Armies, making it easier for your crew to take them out. Michael may think inside a limited box of conflicts and battles, but he's got more then enough experience and savvy to think things very clearly when strategy is involved. If he's decided his mission was killing the commander of Hell's armies before the final begins, he'll accept the mission and perform it with extreme precision, leaving the fancy strategies to Laurence. In a way, Michael reminds me of Gundam Wing's Heero Yui, another cold, calculating warrior ready to sacrifice his life performing the most important missions, leaving the command decisions to others. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:32:20 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... > So no, last night wasn't a total disaster. It's just that things went well > *despite* my best efforts, not because of them, so I'm (in addition to > providing entertainment for the audience... I hope) soliciting feedback. > > -- > Chuckg have a run-away baby carriage and a woman screaming "Help my baby!" Players like saving babies. even demon babies :) - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "A person's character is his destiny." - --fortune cookie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:39:13 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> seeking John Karakesh Hey, uh, I've got an Attunement-by-Mail for John Karakesh, anyone know how to get ahold of him?? - -Perry, KfC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Friends will keep you sane, Love could fill your heart, A lover can warm your bed, But lonely is the soul without a mate. " - --David Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:47:06 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Score one for Magog . . . http://www.crackerjap.com/comic/html/bfist.shtml tee hee hee - -Perry, KFC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:35:59 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... > >How dark is your game? Even if it's only a little dark, there's a > >compelling argument that any angels who have been so easily led by the > >Lightbringer must be terminated. > > Well, there's the thing. With the exception of the Kyrio's player, *none* > of 'em fell for it. Only one of them suspected that it wasn't Eli, but all > the rest had at least gotten as far as "We shouldn't do what he's asking us > to do -- I Invoke My Superior Now!" > > Either I overestimated me or underestimated them -- probably both. Ummm . . . then CHANGE IT. Make have *really* have been Eli . . . hee hee hee . . . - -Perry, kfC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> April 21, 2001 (ML) No, I haven't given up yet. Maybe I'll be caught up by the weekend. This one could be handy, I think... Moe Shepherd's Crook This is a very, very subtle artifact. A Shepherd's Crook (which is always disguised as something else: the name is traditional) encourages humans to congregate around it. No one is forced to, and it will not affect someone simply walking through the zone of effect (5 yards per level of the artifact), but anyone waiting or sitting in the affected area will tend to either stay there or move closer to the artifact. Affected humans simply feel slightly more comfortable when in range: put this relic in a crowded area (such as an airport or bus depot), and within an hour the zone of effect will be noticeably more congested than anywhere else. Possession of this artifact is a de facto capital crime in any region controlled by Heaven (and some places where it doesn't). This may seem unusually harsh, except that Hell finds this relic invaluable when they need to ensure a good body count for a bomb or sniper attack. Thus, the Host assumes that anyone in possession of this relic is actively planning to randomly murder a large number of people, and act accordingly... Base Cost: 3 per level of the relic. Shepherd's Crooks often have the Unbreakable or Hard to Detect Features: add to final cost. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2198 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.