From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu May 3 15:50:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31170 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:50:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA21746 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:58:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:58:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200105032058.PAA21746@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2200 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, May 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2200 In this digest: Re: IN> Consider Something New IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> Moelane Re: IN> Consider the Rouge IN> Question about IST characters... Re: IN> Consider Lightning Re: IN> Town of Hellsworn Re: IN> Consider the Reaper Re: Ofanites (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) Re: Ofanites (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) IN> Consider revelation.... Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2195 Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... IN> Consider Judgment RE: OfaniM (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) IN> nature of the Symphony (was: Consider Lightning Re: IN> Consider Something New Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> Question about IST characters... Re: IN> nature of the Symphony (was: Consider Lightning Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> nature of the Symphony (was: Consider Lightning Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> Question about IST characters... Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> Question about IST characters... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:44:56 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> Consider Something New On Thu, 03 May 2001 14:17:10 -0500, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >I like both "Something New" and "Lightning" very much (along with >most of the others). Is anyone collecting this "Consider" series? >I hope so. > >Earl I am. I shall give them a home soon. - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:11:02 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Pyramid readers will remember the Pyramid Iron Ref contest that was posted a few weeks ago. I'm not going to do the spiel (after all, I've never even seen the show), but I thought we might try to organise something along the same lines here. Think of it as a late May Day celebration! The object of the game is to write a short plot seed for IN, which makes use of the three 'plot ingredients' that Beth has agreed to think up. The idea is that you don't get much time to do this -- deadline is next Monday. Anyone can enter, as long as they follow these rules: 1. Word limit: no more than 1000 words (~10K file length) 2. You have to make some reference to each of the three plot ingredients, which will be provided. 3. The plot seed must be runnable using only the IN main book (this is to be a canonical competition, to keep you all honest ;) ) This is really just for fun, but if anyone wants to volunteer to count votes, then everyone is welcome to rate the entries in marks out of 10. And there will be a special 'Jo' pick (with no prizes attached other than my virtual esteem and a pint of beer if you are ever here to claim it!.) Game on. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:09:20 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Moelane > *But, by all means, go ahead. No, I'd say you more or less covered it. :::) Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:15:11 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Consider the Rouge Yowsa. That has got to be the most frightening depiction of the Janus/Valefor similarities I've ever seen. I may need to steal it when I run my own game. Subject: IN> Question about IST characters... I've looked around and haven't been able to find anything on this. Now, most of Eli's angels are IST (in service to) other angels, right? And the Free Lilim can be IST anyone, and Lilith sometimes trades favors for temporary servitors. Well, what about the other groups? And what happens when you're IST someone? I.e., I have a Malakite of Destiny, and for storyline purposes I want him IST Trade. Now, Creationers don't take their temporary Superiors' Dissonance conditions, but those serving Lilith *do*. Would my Malakite gain Dissonance if he fits Marc's conditions, as well as for Yves' and the Malakim conditions? Or is it simply impossible for an angel of someone other than Eli to go in temporary service to someone else? And what applies to demons other than Free Lilim or those IST Lilith? Thanks. ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What though the field be lost? All is not lost--the unconquerable will, and study of revenge, immortal hate, and courage never to submit or yield: And what is else not to be overcome? That glory never shall his wrath or might exhort from me. (And while I'm at it, if anyone knows the source of this quote, please let me know. ^_^;; I wrote it down and forgot to note the speaker.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:20:55 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Lightning > Until that day when humanity is ready (and they > progress. Slowly at times, but they progress), I > remain in the laboratory - or the music hall. There > is much to be learned in the contemplation of harmony > and melody, in the way that mathematics can be > subconsciously utilized to create a transient work of > art. I have found that mastering each form of musical > instrument (including the human larynx) proves useful > in my work. In many ways, my work _is_ music, and > thus art. > > I sing the body electric. You know, this is the most sympathetic portrayal of Jean I've ever seen? Once again, Moe, you further the cause of the Symphony with your works. In another... *calculates something*... 4,768 years, you might actually make up for how much you've damaged it on the way. :::) Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:57:41 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Town of Hellsworn - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: IN> Town of Hellsworn > I had a disturbing thought today.... > > Cobraas is a Balseraph of Mammon who has a fairly open ended assigmnent as a > Cleaning Supply Pyramid salesmen. Heading to a small town which is filled > with unemployment and troubles he hawks his wares and then gets a > rather...DEVILISH plan in which he slowly recruits soldiers from the police > department, sheriff, and mayor etc etc down on until the point that he > eventually has control over the entire town. > > He is a balseraph after all and with a strong will gets entire football > field stadiums swayed with his choice words. uhhh . . . does he make them all undead? because I don't believe you can make a soldier if he doesn't have sixth force potential . . . or at least according to the CPG. I don't recall if that's in GIN. At any rate, aside from possible interference from Blandine and Beleth, this is an excellent idea. Especially for a group of Outcast / Renegade PCs . . . heh heh . . . - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold > but think about what would be the reaction to such ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:01:02 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Consider the Reaper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: IN> Consider the Reaper > All systems tend toward Entropy. nice, this one's going in my files. :) - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Friends will keep you sane, Love could fill your heart, A lover can warm your bed, But lonely is the soul without a mate. " - --David Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:04:56 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: Ofanites (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) > > So, what he does is he rolls his resonance (average roll 11) and then adds > > that margin of success (average 7) to his Dodge rolls... which means that > > his Dodge roll usually cranks at around *16*! > > There is a rule in GURPS: Vehicles that I adapted for Supers that works > very, very well. > > Dodge rolls max out at 14. Any roll of 15+ is automatically a failure on a > Dodge roll. So if you have a Dodge of 16, you're rolling against a 14. If > you need to roll "Dodge-5", for example, you're rolling against an 11, > though, not against a 9. > > I think that rule should be STANDARD in GURPS. > > -- > Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Hrm, I'm considering using this myself . . . thanks for the headsup (its like catsup), Rev. - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "A person's character is his destiny." - --fortune cookie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:11:28 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: Ofanites (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Mensch" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:24 AM Subject: RE: Ofanites (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) > > There is a rule in GURPS: Vehicles that I adapted for Supers that works > very, very well. > > Dodge rolls max out at 14. Any roll of 15+ is automatically a failure on a > Dodge roll. So if you have a Dodge of 16, you're rolling against a 14. If > you need to roll "Dodge-5", for example, you're rolling against an 11, > though, not against a 9. > > I think that rule should be STANDARD in GURPS. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't know a lot of GURPS, but are unhittable characters really > such a problem? If dodges take actions in GURPS, you can still run > out when facing Art of War or something similar. Besides, the dodge > master is a staple of a *lot* of cinematic genres, most notably the > superhero one. Look at Spiderman -- he's a classic unhittable > character. It should probably take a *lot* of points to be this > skilled with defense, but knowing GURPS and mathamatics, it very > likely does. Personally I'd *much* rather play with an unhittable > character /in any system/ than a one-hit-killer. Not getting hit > does not tend to seriously unbalance games. Against a much more > powerful foe, he's just biding time. And there are so many methods > of offense that *can't* be dodged -- area effects, mind control, > gas attacks, et al. > > WRT IN, this is doubly true. The Ophanite of Unhittableness IST > War is still vulnerable to everything from the Balseraph Resonance > to surprise attacks to Art of Combat to Songs of Charm, Harmony or > Possession. > > -- Julian Mensch WRT IN? oh, with reference to, gotcha well, a 14 or less in GURPS is still about an 86% chance of success, that's a little above the chance of rolling a 9 in IN, and the CD/degree of success doesn't matter - ANY successfil Dodge is a completely successful Dodge in GURPS. (and typical Dodge scores are from 5 (typical human) to 8 or 9 (very decent character). A Dodge of 16 is just SICK in GURPS. But, you're certainly right about the "staple" of the "unhittable" character and the ways to get around that. - -Perry, KayEfSee perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:34:48 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Consider revelation.... It is not the truth, though everyone seems to think it is. And the truth is all that will serve, so I can understand the mistake. But the truth is the surface layer. And like so many things, you must peel away the surface, so gently removing layer by layer to discover what lies beneath, but causing no harm as you go. This is the lesson of archeology, and the reason I am an archeologist. It is a constant reminder that the truth may be plain as the dirt beneath your feet, but revelation exists in the strata that lies *within* truth. Lies between. Lies beyond. It is not the truth that is important -- truth is the medium, not the message. In truth, we can say more important things. Information -- actual, useful, real, significant information -- can only be carried along the waves of bright, glowing truth. One must know that everything that is said is honest and true, so that which is revealed can shine so brightly without issue of veracity or misunderstanding. When truth alone is used to carry revelation, that revelation becomes comprehensible and bright, clean and open, magical in its very mundanity. Obfuscation, misspeaking, evasion, and outright deception are themselves the static in this transmission. They are the garbling of the message, the fading of the text, the trick of the light that makes you miss the unearthed treasure. One cannot understand revelations when they are couched in lies and deceit. They remain, but they remain a mystery. The mind will not penetrate them. It is not the truth that is important -- but the truth must be used because the human mind is frightened of understanding. My love for humanity and their infinite ways is boundless, but their thoughts cannot stand revelation without considerable preperation. Only truth will serve for this so-important work. The moment a human being realizes he has been lied too -- for whatever justification and for whatever reason -- he will close himself to what he needs to know. The lie will magnify in importance until it is all consuming, all-encompassing. What must be conveyed will be lost in a sea of hurt and distrust. It is catastrophic that we cannot reveal ourselves properly to humanity. It is also an error, from my own understanding. My friend Dominic chides me for such statements -- they smack of heresy. But, I am no heretic -- I have faith that God's restrictions lie in place for a reason, and I abide by them truly. However, they perpetuate the very problem that I identify, for the very same reason. God's reasons for couching our presence on Earth in lies and mystery is ineffable. In that ineffability, one must have faith it is for a good and right reason. But without the understanding of revelation, we cannot fully embrace the restriction as a tenet of our work. Some of my Servitors have Fallen purely because they cannot reconcile their love of revelation and need for the truth with the lie we must accept. And some of the humans we would do anything to help and who we reveal such important things to cannot and will not hear our words because we are not truthful with them, about who we are and what we are doing. Demons could not exist in a world that understands Heaven and the Angels. It is not the truth that is important, compared to the discoveries we make every day -- discoveries that are testament to the glorious, wonderous, *beautiful* understanding of humanity's infinitely complex minds and spirits. As we find more and more of the works humanity has created, let fall, buried and built their foundations of, we see yet more why God has singled them out above all other creatures -- above the Angels themselves. There is so much to be learned by what they have done and why they have done it. There is so much about the angels themselves that can be revealed by understanding those delightful mortals. So many of my Choir brethern do not understand this. Humanity, with their twisting, self-deceptive minds and their short attention span and lack of vision frightens and angers them. They cannot accept that where even a Mercurian of the Wind will embrace the Most Holy's word as ineffable law, a human being will demand proof, will demand explanations, will demand to know *why.* They see this as a failing, and humanity as corrupt and weak. How little they understand, for they will not open themselves to the truth of humanity, and use that to dig beneath the surface. Human beings constantly seek. They strive. They learn. They grow. When surrounded by truth, they grow in truth. When surrounded by lies, they grow in falsehood. To sift through and unearth the bright truth of their thoughts, in the bright truth of understanding humanity itself, we reveal so much.... It is not the truth that is important, any more than the molecules within the blooming flower are more important than the flower itself, gently spreading its petals and inviting the bee to come and drink. The truth is merely the foundation. Revelation must follow. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:58:19 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2195 At 9:21 AM -0700 5/2/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >From: "Jo Hart" >Subject: IN> Taming the Inquisition > >Well written*, but... umm, this was meant to be >noncanonical, right? Heh heh heh... Darnit, no one will take that the right way. *sigh* Unless someone _says_ something is canon, when posting original material on the list (as opposed to quoting existing material), assume that it is proto-canon at best, and probably not even that. And I thought it most marvelous too. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:58:16 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> My DM'ing skills are lacking something. methinks... At 4:46 PM -0400 5/2/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: [...] >"Uhhh... what happens if I roll a Divine Intervention while trying to invoke >my Archangel in the presence of Lucifer?" [1] > >[1] Note -- the player didn't *know* it was Lucifer, he thought it was >"Archangel Eli". But yeah. >And what's worse, the Archangel being summoned was *Michael*. Well, I guess that Someone is trying to tell you something about your plot? >actually fighting -- one of the *players* goes "I invoke Celestial Song of >Motion to help 'Eli' escape!!!" BWAhAhahahaahahah! >"Uhhh... if it turns out that I just aided and abetted Lucifer in escaping >his direct confrontation with the Firstborn since the Fall, will that get me >in trouble with Dominic?" Well, gee, probably. (Though not knowing who he was might count as mitigating circumstances -- and only make him wonder why you were helping _Eli_ escape from Michael...) >After I answered that question, the player decided that he'd rather have his >angel Jump right on the spot. Oh dear. Coward. O;> >Oh, BTW, the Fallen Kyriotate got Lucifer's usual amount of gratitude for >the help. IOW, a boot to the head and a dagger up the strap. I can't kill >intensely annoying PCs just because they're intensely annoying, but after >the player's voluntarily handed the character over to my custody, they're >fair game...) Awwwww. You should have made him a Shedite of Theft, with the Word of Great Escapes. You could have been tormenting the characters with him for _AGES_... >Either I'm about to finish a really high-style Major Epic In Nomine campaign >with Big-League Moving and Shaking, or else I've let this thing get totally >out of control. Probably the latter. By the time this adventure is >finished, these characters are gonna need retiring. As is the campaign. But they'll talk about it for ages! >And I swear, if I can get out of this with even half my dignity intact, the >next IN campaign I'm running is gonna be the all Soldiers-of-God campaign, >Of course, *that* plan got yanked over by the Elohite of Destiny's >successful invocation of Yves... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:51:59 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Consider Judgment A thing Is, or it Is Not. This is such a simple fact, and yet so many fail to understand it. All things return to this. They accuse both myself and those serving me of "only seeing things in black and white," in denial of the fact that this is all there *is* to see. All things either Are or Are Not; all questions ultimately are answered Yes or No, if you but ask them properly. Even the most complex of questions, the ones that lead to the "shades of grey" those who fail to comprehend the methods I and mine utilize, are nothing but a mixture of black and white - of things that Are, or Are Not, if you will. When I brought Michael to trial, the question was not "Are you justified in the pride you have shown?" No, it was "Are you guilty of pride?" Until it was established whether Michael Was or Was Not guilty of Pride, whether he Was or Was Not justified in doing so could have any meaning. Likewise, since the question of whether Uriel Was or Was Not causing more harm than good in his prosecution of his Crusade upon the Ethereals has not been (and now can not be) answered, due to his elevation to the Higher Heavens, asking whether he Was or Was Not justified in doing so is an excercise in futility. Even so with Gabriel - since he refused to answer the question of whether he Was or Was Not fulfilling the duty tasked to him by Yves with proper faith, I have no way of knowing whether she Is or Is Not serving with perfect faith today. This is why it is so important that Eli be brought before me for questioning, and trial if need be. For he either Is or Is Not now aiding Hell more than he aids Heaven in his absence. This is a question that I must have the answer to, more than any other that faces me. For I Was negligent in my duties when the Lightbringer sought to seduce me away from God, and that Is why so many among the Host have fallen, both during the original rebellion, and since. And a second rebellion Is Not something I can allow to happen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:22:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: OfaniM (was Re: IN> Celestial Glory Kung Fu) At 3:20 PM -0400 5/3/01, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >On Thu, 3 May 2001, Julian Mensch wrote: > >> I don't know a lot of GURPS, but are unhittable characters really >> such a problem? If dodges take actions in GURPS, you can still run >> out when facing Art of War or something similar. > >No action. Free. You can make 1,100 Dodges each turn. Thus this cap. On the other hand, in _non_ Supers-level games, the Dodge tends to top out at 7, or maybe 8. On 3d6. You can get it higher by retreating, but that's, well, sometimes tactically unsound or infeasible. So it really only matters if you have Dodgemonsters in GIN, because GIN _is_ approaching Supers-grade stats. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:35:46 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> nature of the Symphony (was: Consider Lightning > I do not resent Hell, but I do not pity them, either - > they are a willfully wrong note in God's Symphony, and > balance dictates that they be put in tune or silenced, > lest the wrong notes spread and threaten the whole. > If this means their repentence, that is acceptable: > however, if they cannot stop interfering and will not > repent, then they must be excised. There is no middle > ground. GIN certainly describes angels and demons as being notes in the Symphony, and Celestials have been also described as Instruments, however . . . this begs a question. If Angels "have a place within God's Symphony" then why do they create disturbance whereas humans do not? I assume it is because Angels are "part off" but somehow "separate from" the Symphony, this is why they can "hear" it, even on the Celestial plane, their native plane. (even though Angels are supposed to all share one Symphony, presumably with the human beings) The reason that they create disturbance on the Corporeal plane by damaging objects/beings within it is because they are not native to it, IIRC (the same reason they disturb the Symphony by entering/leaving the Corporeal plane via Celestial form). THE POINT: So, do Celestials create disturbance when leaving the *Ethereal* plane via Celetial form? Since the answer is No, this might indicate they they are *also* native to the Ethereal plane . . . (giving some credence to the notion that God is merely an over-powered Ethereal who seized the "reality controls" somehow and then rewrote history in His own image). Any thoughts? Or are my ideas complete unoriginal? - -Perry, k f c perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. " - --Dick Cavett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:40:10 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Something New - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" To: "In Nomine Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: IN> Consider Something New > > > "Believe it or not, I never do anything with the sole intention of pissing > off the Seraphim Council. Their shock and anger sometimes makes me grin... > but more often, I just sigh inside and wonder why they choose not to > understand. > "Sometimes it just takes a little push. Sometimes it takes the full power > of the winds of change. But it's always, always worth it. My Servitors and > I may sometimes force them onto the start of a path, but we never force > them down it. Some gather their courage and walk down the new path, to > face a new life. Others run from the path and go back to their old lives. > Some find a third path, a healthy one that we missed, which brings me more > joy than you could imagine; it means they finally *understand*. Some of my > most unlikely Soldiers have come about that way. > "And no, I am *not* Valefor." funny, I found myself wondering as I read this who the speaker was. At first I thought of Eli, then Dominic, then Janus . . . and I realized that this point of view might be understood by all three. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:46:37 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Hart" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) > The object of the game is to write a short plot seed for IN, which makes use > of the three 'plot ingredients' that Beth has agreed to think up. The idea > is that you don't get much time to do this -- deadline is next Monday. > > Anyone can enter, as long as they follow these rules: > > 1. Word limit: no more than 1000 words (~10K file length) > 2. You have to make some reference to each of the three plot ingredients, > which will be provided. > 3. The plot seed must be runnable using only the IN main book (this is to be > a canonical competition, to keep you all honest ;) ) > Game on. > > > > jo Uhhh... jo, what would the three plot ingrediants be?? - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. " - --Chinese Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:25:54 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Question about IST characters... At 3:26 PM -0400 5/3/01, S.D. wrote: >I've looked around and haven't been able to find anything on this. Now, most of >Eli's angels are IST (in service to) other angels, right? Right. >And the Free Lilim can be IST anyone, and Lilith sometimes trades favors for >temporary servitors. Right. >Well, what about the other groups? And what happens when you're IST someone? It happens, though it's more rare -- in the Liber Servitorum, there's a Kyriotate of Lightning IST the Sword, and the description includes the reason for that. >I.e., I have a Malakite of Destiny, and for storyline purposes I want him IST >Trade. Now, Creationers don't take their temporary Superiors' Dissonance >conditions, but those serving Lilith *do*. Those serving Lilith _MAY_, if they want her Rites. It is not mandatory. The mandatory thing is that it's Rites + Dissonance Conditions -- you can't get Freedom's Rites without the DCs as well. > Would my Malakite gain Dissonance if he fits Marc's conditions, as well as for >Yves' and the Malakim conditions? No, he is only bound by the dissonance conditions of he who holds his Heart -- that would be Yves -- and his own oaths. Marc will, however, get very grumpy at him if he doesn't abide by Trade's restrictions, at least somewhat. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:28:45 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> nature of the Symphony (was: Consider Lightning At 3:35 PM -0700 5/3/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: >If Angels "have a place within God's Symphony" then why do they create >disturbance whereas humans do not? Because their place is not on the corporeal plane -- they don't create disturbance when they're within their home realm, after all. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:07:03 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) > >Uhhh... jo, what would the three plot ingrediants be?? > Beth's going to post them separately, either tonight or some time tomorrow. Hence "ingredients, which will be provided." ;) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:29:49 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) At 3:46 PM -0700 5/3/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: >Uhhh... jo, what would the three plot ingrediants be?? She'll announce them tomorrow -- I may or may not be on. (It's a weekender notion, she's got. Me, I may be planting umpty zillion plants tomorrow.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:11:14 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) >Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:29:49 -0400 > >At 3:46 PM -0700 5/3/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: > > >Uhhh... jo, what would the three plot ingrediants be?? > >She'll announce them tomorrow -- I may or may not be on. (It's a weekender >notion, she's got. Me, I may be planting umpty zillion plants tomorrow.) > OK. I'll do that then :) We'll announce the three ingredients tomorrow, and then you'll have until Monday to get entries in. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:12:29 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Jo Hart wrote: > This is really just for fun, but if anyone wants to volunteer to count > votes, then everyone is welcome to rate the entries in marks out of 10. And > there will be a special 'Jo' pick (with no prizes attached other than my > virtual esteem and a pint of beer if you are ever here to claim it!.) > > Game on. > > jo Two questions. Where is "here"? And what kind of Beer? - -Daiv Tech Writer in Service to Coffee, currently Searching for a Superior. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:16:15 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) > > >Two questions. Where is "here"? And what kind of Beer? > Here is England, of course! And the beer is anything half-decent (ie. not american bud) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:22:07 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> nature of the Symphony (was: Consider Lightning > If Angels "have a place within God's Symphony" then why do they create > disturbance whereas humans do not? I assume it is because Angels are "part > off" but somehow "separate from" the Symphony, this is why they can "hear" > it, even on the Celestial plane, their native plane. (even though Angels > are supposed to all share one Symphony, presumably with the human beings) They cause disturbance on earth becaus they have a place in God's Symphony, and it's -not- on Earth. God more or less said 'Earth is for the Humans (oh, and all those other little buggers, too, of course)', which probably prompted Lucifer's rebellion in the first place. The disturbance is the result of a Celestial altering God's plan. Which, incidentaly, led me to my current work: determining how much it would alter God's plan (and thus how much disturbance it would cause) to turn a human being into a pachinko machine. Well, the above (except the bit about the pinball machine) are all just my opinions, or course. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:35:46 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) From: "Jo Hart" > > > >Two questions. Where is "here"? And what kind of Beer? > > Here is England, of course! And the beer is anything half-decent (ie. not > american bud) Ah, Shiner Bock then. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:43:33 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Question about IST characters... >>Well, what about the other groups? And what happens when you're IST someone? > >It happens, though it's more rare -- in the Liber Servitorum, there's a >Kyriotate of Lightning IST the Sword, and the description includes the >reason for that. I figured you'd need a good reason. (Of course, I only have the core rulebook so far. No details in there. ^_^ Must expand collection...) >>I.e., I have a Malakite of Destiny, and for storyline purposes I want him IST >>Trade. Now, Creationers don't take their temporary Superiors' Dissonance >>conditions, but those serving Lilith *do*. > >Those serving Lilith _MAY_, if they want her Rites. It is not mandatory. >The mandatory thing is that it's Rites + Dissonance Conditions -- you >can't get Freedom's Rites without the DCs as well. Hmm. Misinterpeted that line. [beat] And does that apply to anyone IST - or anyone who accepts a Rite from someone else? (I'm thinking of Nicole, the Merc of Fire in 'Bright/Dark Dream', who had Novalis' dancing rite...) >> Would my Malakite gain Dissonance if he fits Marc's conditions, as well as for >>Yves' and the Malakim conditions? > >No, he is only bound by the dissonance conditions of he who holds his >Heart -- that would be Yves -- and his own oaths. Marc will, however, >get very grumpy at him if he doesn't abide by Trade's restrictions, at >least somewhat. Makes sense. Does it work the same way for demons? (I assume so, but I'm paranoid. ^_^) ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I suppose I could be more evil, if I wasn't so apathetic." Nere ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:38:36 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) At 8:11 PM -0400 5/3/01, Jo Hart wrote: > >OK. I'll do that then :) We'll announce the three ingredients >tomorrow, and then you'll have until Monday to get entries in. Oh sure, with a houseful of guests.... (Like I won't find time anyway....) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:43:59 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Oh well, of course. american beer is much like making love in a Canoe. (if you do not know how, then email me in private. I have no wish to incur the Wrath of Our Beloved ArchPrincess). Speaking of incurring the wrath... OB IN: According to Time Powers, in his novel The Drawing of the Dark, there are versions of the Prometheus myth that state that Prometheus brought the secret of making Beer to mankind, rather than the secret of making fire. Since the process of Fermenting beverages was a significant advancement in human civilization (the alcohol in fermented beverages kills off a lot of the bad bacteria, making things more fit to drink), it may well be a servitor of lightning who as responsible for this littl revelation. And in so doing, became the Angel of Beer. Now, of course there must also be a Demon of Beer. Want to play out the kind of Word conflict that Gabby and Belial get into, on a much lower level? Well, play the quest for beer campaign. Start by seeking out the Original Brew of the One True God (Which may or may not have been stolen by (or From) a Pagan Pantheon of your Choice) and go from there. Hmmmm... if i had a job, I would have more time to write the whole cycle. Ironically, since I am unemployed, I have to spend a lot more of my time looking for work than i do actually doing work. - -Daiv, Tech Writer in service to Coffee, in search of a superior. Jo Hart wrote: > > > > > > >Two questions. Where is "here"? And what kind of Beer? > > > > Here is England, of course! And the beer is anything half-decent (ie. not > american bud) > > jo > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:49:54 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) >3. The plot seed must be runnable using only the IN main book (this is to be >a canonical competition, to keep you all honest ;) ) Query on a point of order: Is the G:IN main book acceptable? I don't know how much material was crammed in it that might not be in the standard IN main book, or how significant it would be. If necessary, as compromise measures, I offer to include converted statistics for anything detailed numerically, and to avoid the Watchers. >jo William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:48:39 -0700 From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> Question about IST characters... And does that apply to anyone IST - or anyone who accepts a Rite from someone else? (I'm thinking of Nicole, the Merc of Fire in 'Bright/Dark Dream', who had Novalis' dancing rite...) > As I understand it, any Superior may give any angel a Rite or Attunement for "Services Rendered". This is considered a gift, and as such, has no Dissonance conditions attatched to it. Note: It is considered politic to let your Superior know that Novalis, etc has given you one of her Rites. It's not necessary, but politic. Also, most Demon Princes don't let their servitors go IST. They either give you to the other Superior, sans original rites and attunements. OR they disband your Forces and start over. Wade _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2200 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.