From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri May 4 02:25:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26139 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:25:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id CAA15556 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:34:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 02:34:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200105040734.CAA15556@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2202 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, May 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2202 In this digest: Re: IN> GIN Query (Re: In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic)) Re: IN> Consider Something New Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> Consider Secrets IN> Consider Protection IN> Consider the Samurai IN> Angel of Mathematics (and Sorrow, and Loss, and Something That Could Never Be Said) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) IN> Consider Discovery Re: IN> Question about IST characters... Re: IN> Consider Discovery Re: IN> Angel of Mathematics (and Sorrow, and Loss, and Something That Could Never Be Said) IN> April 22, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> Consider Lightning RE: IN> Consider Secrets Re: IN> Muted Cacophonies Re: IN> Angel of Mathematics (and Sorrow, and Loss, and Something That Could Never Be Said) IN> Consider Solitude Re: IN> Consider Hunger IN> Iron Rev INGREDIENTS LIST IN> Those who see your Heart . . . (was: Question about IST characters...) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Re: IN> Honor-Bound, Geas-Bound IN> 5/24/01 - Got Napalm? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:58:31 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> GIN Query (Re: In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic)) >Differences include: (lack of) Song of Affinity, Song of Artifacts, Song of >Transferral; IN Songs are not maintainable; Nemesis attunement for Cherubim >not described (except in APG); Limbo details; the Grigori; stats for CotG; >Affiliation rules for Songs; Virtuosos; Demons and their Driving... Um... I >think that's about it? Thank you. I don't think any of these would likely be central to a plot seed, except maybe the Grigori and CotG; but I shall promise to avoid them, to keep a level playing field. >--emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor >RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Something New On Thu, 3 May 2001, Perry Lloyd wrote: > > "And no, I am *not* Valefor." > > funny, I found myself wondering as I read this who the speaker was. At > first I thought of Eli, then Dominic, then Janus . . . and I realized that > this point of view might be understood by all three. Thanks - that was intentional, and the reason I made the subject line rather vague. Though I was actually thinking people would wonder "Eli, Janus, or Yves?" myself... didn't expect Dominic. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth...that you are a slave. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage - born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch...a prison for your mind." -- Morpheus, _The Matrix_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:12:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) On Thu, 3 May 2001, Jo Hart wrote: > 1. Word limit: no more than 1000 words (~10K file length) > 2. You have to make some reference to each of the three plot ingredients, > which will be provided. > 3. The plot seed must be runnable using only the IN main book (this is to be > a canonical competition, to keep you all honest ;) ) But are we allowed to throw in minor Superiors, if the plot is still runnable without them (or with only sketchy information about them)? > This is really just for fun, but if anyone wants to volunteer to count > votes, then everyone is welcome to rate the entries in marks out of 10. And > there will be a special 'Jo' pick (with no prizes attached other than my > virtual esteem and a pint of beer if you are ever here to claim it!.) I assume the "final vote" will be an average of all the votes recorded, not a summary total... in case different numbers of people vote for each plot seed. :) Also, I'd suggest the obvious - that authors don't get to vote for themselves... Sounds like fun! Can't wait to see what happens... (BTW, "Iron Rev"? I'm not quite arrogant enough to assume that's a reference to me...) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! It is a sad commentary on today's society that this .sig file must be considered "offensive" simply because it contains the word "fuck". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Secrets On Thu, 3 May 2001, GROTH TIMOTHY PAUL wrote: > > > Hehehehehe.... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! We're the only HONEST church. We tell you we want your money. The OTHER churches say "god" wants your money. It's a lie. They can't even admit they're gonna take that cash and buy hookers with it! We buy hookers AND show you the pictures! -- Sister Decadence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:15:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Consider Protection Cool. Nobody's done this one yet. :) Moe I hear what the Faithless call me, of course. Their whispers come to me, eventually. They say that I am redundant. They say that I do nothing that other Archangels cannot do, and better. They say that I am eternally pushed to the sidelines, perpetually forced to subside on what scraps more powerful Archangels permit me. They say that I am useless. I do not tolerate such whispers. I encourage them. What one laughs at, one cannot take seriously; and what one cannot take seriously, one eventually forgets about. I am more than content to be forgotten. None of the Faithless has ever really understood me, and I have no desire for this to change. They dimly know that I am a Shield, but they do not contemplate what happens when you look into a Shield: you see not the Shield, but your own distorted reflection. They look into me, and see instead themselves. When they laugh at my supposed degradation, they are instead laughing at their own. If I was in Hell - a disgusting thought - I would, indeed, be the most pitiful creature in existence. Hell does not take well to the concept of the sharing of power and responsibility: every demon is constantly trying to rip strength out of everyone's hide and prevent the same from happening to him. In such an atmosphere, I would be a kicked and abused fragment of my potential: I might even be dead by now. But I am not *in* Hell. I am in Heaven, and among the Faithful. And I know my purpose. And what is that purpose? It is ... to bide. Michael, Laurence, David, Janus, Gabriel - these Archangels are the primary fighters of the War, and it is meet that they shoulder the responsibilities accordingly. I am not a primary weapon. I have never seen myself as one. But if Laurence is the Sword of Heaven - its katana, if you will - then I am its wazikashi. I am the holdout weapon in the ankle holster. I am the hidden knife in the belt buckle. I am the backup generator. I am the ceramic inserts in the bulletproof vest. In short, I am the unlooked-for strike that comes when the enemy is at the moment of anticipated triumph, and thus at his most vulnerable. When the Last Battle comes, the second to last thing that will go through more than one Prince's head will be surprise that I am there and somehow unaccountably past his defenses. The last thing being, of course, my knife. I spend my apparent free time caring for it, and it is _sharp_. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:47:13 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Consider the Samurai The most honorable being in Heaven was never Uriel but it was me. I followed my concience and I have continued to do so for my entire life but it has not brought me salvation or happiness but only sin, degredation, and horror. I would like you to imagine this particular point of view while I pour myself a glass of wine and one for you as well. Are you quite so happy with the idea of being righteous when you are not rewarded with the concept of eternal bliss and senusal delights that are the atypical portrayal of Heaven? People have routinely asked me if I consider redemption and Asmodeus be damned (redundant I know) I will admit that not a day goes by that I do not get sick of this filthy blood ridden stench filled hovel that I inhabit. Haagenti, Vapula, and Nybbas have never known the light of heaven and thus to them this is a pleasure palace where everything they can imagine is available to them at the slightest whim with their unimaginable power now at their disposal. I liken it to men who have starved and lived on swill their entire lives suddenly now blessed with mountains and mountains of swill but cannot appreciate a good meal made with love or a a fine champagne. Hell is Hell to me and if Andrephalus thinks he can drown it out with drugged partners or Saminga can silence any voice which cries to a higher cause to make it anything less then Hell my low opinion of them is justified. Gehenna is a terrifying and horrible battle field that is my testing ground however and every soul here will either learn what it is like to become a man or they will....no there is no or. You might think as one of the Liars I am deluding myself when I say that but every being in Gehenna will become the apex of what thy can become and there is no other option. I don't hate humanity nor have I ever wanted to hate them but it amazes me sometime what they will do to themselves before they will admit that their cause is lost. That is a quality that makes them worthwhile but it's also the quality that led to the Rebellion, at least for me. Enjoy your steak. It's not made of human spirits or anything but conjured by myself, this isn't a trick of Haagentis or one of the foul Shal-Mari Kobalites but a meal shared between two warriors. The situation in Heaven was bleak you see because of God's ban on Celestial interference and you can imagine the word conflict between our loyalty to God that is an essential part of our nature and our desire to promote our words. I was Valor and my duty was to be self-sacrafice, courage, dignity, and passion which you will realize makes up a majority of what humans today call faith whether it is in government, themselves, or God. In a warrior's terms our objectives for humanity were unclear. Are we to be their protectors, saviors, and guides or are we to be impassive beings who are to move onto other projects? I believe God for all his wisdom however failed to grasp something that to do this day perplexes Heaven and most of Hell. The human spirit is not easily tamed. I'm not going to rant. I'm not like Saminga. I'm not going to make a plea to your vanity and blatantly manipulate you like Malphas but I'm going to openly tell you the following. Angels are a race which are essentially selfless creatures and we lack the balance of enlightened self interest that human beings possess as a matter of survival. Even when a Angel becomes a demon he is essentially still unbalanced because he has turned all his energy of service inward. I knew God stood in awe of a being who had created it's own destiny and in his inability to grasp this had forgotten about those who had become flawed by their very inability to serve in a function that God had ordained for a cause that would never become necessary. In essence the Plan God had for angels was incorrect and to follow it was to follow a course of humiliation and ignorance and perhaps even destruction for us or them. I realized angels had to rise above the Garden of Eden that God had meant for them and Lucifer did as well. I dispatched Ophis to show Adam and Eve the fruits of Evil and Good which they proved woefully unprepared to deal with. Even before then Lilith showed the plan was flawed and had the amazing selfishness not to serve her purpose even for a while. Come Armageddon I will fight Michael who as First Born is very summation of the Plan of God and I will conquer him because I fight a war to transform angels into something that is the fruit of selfishness and selflessness that will once again restore us to the heights of grandeur that we were before the primates transformed into a people that could tame their world with a mixture of evil and good. God will recognize then my bravery I hope and pray with every fiber of my being and the War will end when he proclaims the righteousness of the New cause and balance is restored. Until then I stand on my black fields doing my best to make sure that humanity does not become disbalanced and these souls like the demons and angels who have become pathetic but not hopeless are remade into something greater. I am willing to die for my cause but my cause is the destruction of God's old plan, does that make me a demon or an angel or something inbetween? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Angel of Mathematics (and Sorrow, and Loss, and Something That Could Never Be Said) I didn't know whether to be amusing or melancholy about this one, and I think that it might show. Comments welcome. Moe Liwet Seraph Mistress of the Machine Angel of Mathematics Corporeal Forces: 6 Strength: 12 Agility: 12 Ethereal Forces: 6 Intelligence:12 Precision: 12 Celestial Forces: 6 Will: 12 Perception: 12 Word-Forces: 18 Vessel: young human female/6, +3 Charisma Skills: Chemistry/6, Computer Operation/3, Detect Lies/3, Dodge/6, Engineering/3, Fighting/6, Knowledge (Mathematics/6, Physics/6, Research/6), Large Weapon/3 (Sword), Ranged Weapon/3 (rifle), Savoir-Faire/3 Songs: Machines (All/6), Light (Celestial/6), Lightning (All/6), Shields (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/2, Celestial/4) Attunements: Seraph of Lightning, Ofanite of Lightning, Elohite of Lightning, Malakite of Lightning, Mercurian of Lightning, all of Jean's Servitor Attunements and Rites, Mistress of the Machine, Angel of Mathematics Angel of Mathematics: Liwet simply sees the universe differently than most people. Every kind of behavior or activity can be at least described by a type of uber-pure mathematical notation that only she and Jean can fully comprehend. As a result, she has a focus that other Seraphim can only envy (in game terms, Liwet adds her appropriate Forces to any regular Skill or Characteristic roll, including defaults). Rites: : Read a mathematical journal. : Correct a mathematical journal's mistakes - without reference to any reference materials (+2). : Spend two hours performing any useful mathematical calculations. Liwet has been Jean's primary laboratory assistant / research partner for the last few centuries. As such, she has spent most of her existence in the Halls of Progress, although she has recently begun to appear more often on the corporeal plane. Liwet is, in many ways, the perfect Servitor of Lightning: she is dedicated to the Truth, a tireless researcher and scientist, and lives her Word day and night. As intimated above, the Angel of Mathematics sees her Word everywhere: she can directly perceive the equations implicit in a morning breeze or a flowing brook. Her Word may not be quite Superior-level, but she is certainly powerful, and deadly dangerous in combat. Those who fight her soon discover that every trick, every feint, every stratagem has been blatantly telegraphed to her, and countered in the simplest, most efficient manner possible. It is a rare angel that can fool the Angel of Mathematics. Her personality seems to be friendly but faintly distant: note the use of the word 'seems'. Frankly, most angels have difficulty holding a conversation with her, unless they happen to be expert mathematicians: oddly enough, certain blessed souls - notably Lobachevsky - working in the Halls of Progress seem to have no such problems. In fact, it's said that every human mathematician in Heaven is desperately in love with her, to the point of writing plaintive equations and treatises in glory of her and reciting them under her window. Jean seems to tolerate the practice, only appearing to correct particularly egregious flaws in the logic. Her appearance in Heaven was somewhat abrupt: she was apparently created fully-fledged several centuries. It's certain that at least some of Jean's personal Forces were used to create Liwet: the similarities in their celestial appearance is obvious (and, of course, indescribable to a corporeal viewer). However, it's equally obvious that Jean did not provide all of Liwet's Forces. A few older angels have - well, not knowledge, but strong suspicions - of Liwet's other 'parent'. They remember another Elohite with the same certain quirk of brow and grace of movements as Liwet. They remember that Elohite's last act of bravery as she destroyed an abomination. They remember the Archangel of Lightning's face set in stone as he watched a sacrifice that he was powerless to prevent ... and a few even remember that he was the last one to leave the scene. Those angels contemplate the meanings inherent in Liwet's name, and quietly respect Jean's memories... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:36:02 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) >(BTW, "Iron Rev"? I'm not quite arrogant enough to assume that's a >reference to me...) > >-- >Rev. Pee Kitty I was thinking "Revelations," myself. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:15:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: IN> Consider Discovery The thing you must understand is that I am truly an Archangel! Ignore the opinions of the self-deluded Host and my ignorant colleagues! In all aspects that really matter I am an Archangel! An Archangel is a servant of God! I am a loyal servant of God! What sets me apart from the Host and elevates me to a higher level of being is that I'm actually trying to learn God's Will, rather than merely assuming what it is the way so many of my misguided bretheren do. My fellow Archangels are weak-minded fools, clinging to minutia such as Judgement, Stone, and War, rather than bothering to look for the bigger picture. I'm the only one with the scope of vision and stength of will to attempt to look beyond such narrow concerns and attempt to really know the whole of what God wants! I do this through the most illuminating of tools, Science and Technology. I sense you wondering how it is one can know God through Science and Technology. To your limited mind they seem the most inappropriate instruments for investigating the Almighty. You lack the sublime understanding of the Divine that I possess, which is why I am an Archangel and you are a mere Servitor. What is Science but the attempt to understand the rules of the Universe? And who wrote the rules of the Universe? God! To comprehend the Creator, study his Creation. Through the pursuit of Science God's Mind will be Revealed! It is through the crucible of experimentation that the Truth is Discovered and weak misconceptions Destroyed! Technology is the Way of the Holy, for it is the practical application of God's Laws! The Laboratory is his Church, and Expermimentation is his most Holy Sacrament! Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:35:32 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Question about IST characters... > You Want More In Nomine Books Shouldn't that be -Need-? Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:53:48 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Discovery Ohhhh yeah, that's our favorite Archangel, all right. It even had all the exclamation points (the sign of a Truly warped mind). Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 21:14:38 -0700 From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Mathematics (and Sorrow, and Loss, and Something That Could Never Be Said) - -claps quietly- Bravo, Moe. >Those angels contemplate the meanings inherent in >Liwet's name, and quietly respect Jean's memories... Would respectfully ask what meanings are inherent in Liwet's name, if you don't mind sharing? Wade _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> April 22, 2001 (ML) I dunno why this is so strange: probably noncanonical, as well - I simply don't feel like going through the books and seeing whether anyone's snagged him yet for filler text. It's late and I'm a week and a half behind. :) Moe William Shakespeare Soldier of Creation Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 4 Agility: 4 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 4 Precision: 4 Celestial Forces: 2 Will: 5 Perception: 3 Skills: Artistry/6 (Writing) (Mastery), Emote/3, Fighting/1, Knowledge (pre-16th Century History/3), Languages (French/1, Greek/1, Latin/1), Large Weapon/3 (Sword) Songs: Entropy (Corporeal/3), Healing (Corporeal/1), Shields (Corporeal/3) Attunement: Abracadabra Well, the story behind this one is a little odd. Eli had recruited young Master William very early in his career, and the Soldier had a long and happy career enriching English literature. After his retirement, William still showed an interest in fighting the good fight, and managed to convince his Superior to let him fake his own death and continue on Earth for a bit longer. Hey, Christopher Marlowe got to do it. Eli was a bit quirky even then, so William got to do it, too. It took a little sleight of hand and good timing to pull off, but pretty soon William was young again and ready to actually fight the forces of Evil hand to hand. That's when the trouble started. Everything went fairly well for the next decade, but William had the misfortune to get, well, lost in the chaos of the English Civil War (something he found extraordinarily disturbing, by the way). The team that the Soldier was assigned to had been called in to locate a severely dissonant (and quite mad) Mercurian of Stone: unfortunately, they found him. The resulting battle resulted in the deaths in the rest of William's group - and William's capture. Even more unfortunately, the Mercurian recognized the Soldier somehow. By now, the Mercurian was nerving himself up to Jump, and it occurred to him that having a Soldier to hand over to Hell would make his arrival more welcome. Using the Cold Touch Attunement, the celestial froze William into stone and began to force himself to go over the Edge... ... and suddenly stopped, made a panicked noise, and apparently ran out of the cave where he had stashed his captive. There was a lot of sudden noise, both corporeal and celestial, and a long, drawn-out scream. Then, silence. If William could have shrugged, he would have: obviously the poor unfortunate had been found by the Host and either soul-killed or brought back to Heaven. William would have to just wait until this damned Attunement wore off before he could make his report. Thankfully, he was blinking when being turned completely to stone, so the Soldier could even grab a nap while he waited... ...and when he woke up, it was because of the six inches of dust that had seemingly (and suddenly) covered his body. This might be bad. It got worse. Clearing his way out of the cave, William discovered that he had apparently been trapped in stone form for over three centuries. That was supposed to be impossible, but either the renegade Mercurian had screwed something up badly or William was simply very unlucky. England had decidedly changed in that time period: William still isn't sure how he managed to avoid being locked up in a madhouse before he could learn to fit in. Of course, he isn't exactly fitting in; it's been two months since he emerged, and he's barely one step up from being homeless. One of the greatest playwrights in English literature is currently washing dishes in a London diner, and trying to figure out what to do next. The easiest solution would be to just die, of course. However, William isn't sure whether suicide is going to have him end up in Heaven (for the record, it won't matter: he's long since achieved his Destiny, and his Fate is fairly meaningless now, unless King James I happens to be still around, too). Not exactly something that you want to test, right? The next option is to get in touch with other Soldiers of God or members of the Host (any will do). Unfortunately, all of his carefully-memorized contact and Tether lists are way out of date, and there's that problem with attracting the wrong kind of attention. He can't even find his Superior (the news that Eli went AWOL is going to shock the Hell out of William). The Soldier has been haunting the local churches, in the devout hope that an angel will wander on by, or something. Still, there are compensations. Libraries, for one thing: it's amazing how many nice things were said about his plays. Television is another: television is interesting, and it's fairly obvious that they're simply crying out for competent writers. Maybe there'll be angels there... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 04:53:01 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) >From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) >Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:12:40 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Thu, 3 May 2001, Jo Hart wrote: > > > 1. Word limit: no more than 1000 words (~10K file length) > > 2. You have to make some reference to each of the three plot >ingredients, > > which will be provided. > > 3. The plot seed must be runnable using only the IN main book (this is >to be > > a canonical competition, to keep you all honest ;) ) > >But are we allowed to throw in minor Superiors, if the plot is still >runnable without them (or with only sketchy information about them)? If it isn't mentioned in the main book, then no. (Unless your plot is about a new minor superior, who can be made detailed enough to be used within the word limit!) > >I assume the "final vote" will be an average of all the votes recorded, >not a summary total... in case different numbers of people vote for each >plot seed. :) That's the general idea, yes. >(BTW, "Iron Rev"? I'm not quite arrogant enough to assume that's a >reference to me...) > *laugh* Score 50 points and lose a life. It wasn't, but we can refer to you as Iron Rev if you like ;) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Consider Lightning Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 21:21:37 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Lightning >Lovely. Thanks. I started with the last line and went backwards. BTW, everybody, I like the ones that I've seen so far. :) Moe PS: I don't _damage_ the Symphony: just ... highlight some of the obscurer bits. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: RE: IN> Consider Secrets Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:23:36 -0600 (MDT) From: GROTH TIMOTHY PAUL Subject: IN> Consider Secrets ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:57:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Muted Cacophonies Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:51:12 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Muted Cacophonies Both this and the following one of yours was seriously neat-o. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 00:18:53 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Mathematics (and Sorrow, and Loss, and Something That Could Never Be Said) At 09:14 PM 5/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >Would respectfully ask what meanings are inherent in Liwet's name, if you >don't mind sharing? I'm not sure if it's what Moe meant, but Liwet is not only traditionally the Angel of Inventions but another name for Venus, goddess of love. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:19:13 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: IN> Consider Solitude We stand as alone in the crush of souls in Hell as we did in the shadow of Jacob's Ladder. The only real difference is that in Hell we know that we have no allies. What's surprising is the lengths to which we'll go to remedy this. The games we play down here are just that. Games. None of us really believe, in our most secret hearts, they it will lead to anything. We trade alliances, make friends and enemies and play at politics simply to pass the time. We all know that after a victory for Lucifer, should such a thing be possible, all bets will be off as we scrabble to gather up the pieces. The only reason we present an even vaguely united front is that we're too afraid of each other to show weakness or disloyalty. And therein lies the secret. Only by splitting ourselves apart can we remain close together. Not much of a secret, truth be told. It's the guiding principle behind democracy. The only reason people ever clump together at all is to keep an eye on each other. Each state would be better of on its own, but is too afraid of what might be done in its absence. Lucifer certainly knows this. Why do you think he keeps me around? To amuse him? To keep his princelings fighting? He hardly needs me for that. He keeps me because he knows that the only thing that holds us, the Princes, together is our mutual hatred of each other. We dislike Heaven, but there's nothing we _loath_ more than our immediate rivals. And we can't turn our backs. If there was no hatred, no fear, between us, we wouldn't hang about in Hell. What's down here for us? We'd be out in the world, fighting Heaven in our own ways. But we're not, because we're afraid of what the others might be doing to catch the Morningstar's eye, or to harness the Essence of the damned. It's ironic, really, because what Lucifer isn't doing himself any favours by keeping us around. We're a drag on him now, and we won't be any better come Armageddon. War gives birth to weakness, and as soon as Baal is weakened by the battle with Laurence, Asmodeus will bring him down. And Azzie knows that at the first sign of weakness Kobal will destroy him. And so forth, ad absurdum. It's the secondborn's pride that gets him, really. He knows that he would be better alone. He's stronger than any of us, and under his autonomous control the legions of Hell would be able to fight as an army, rather than a particularily incoherent mob. He keeps us because we're evidence that, even if he didn't win the rebellion, he came damned close. A third of the host followed him, and what the books won't tell you is that nearly a third stayed neutral. He came close and he's not about to abandon all the evidence of that. And I've told him all of this. That's the beauty of my position. He has no illusions about me, and so I can say whatever I please to him. So I've told him to be rid of me, to destroy me and save himself an enemy later. I've told him that as soon as war breaks out and Nybbas' back is turned my servitors will bring his Word down around his ears and I'll tear the smarmy little bastard apart myself. I've told him everything and it only makes him hate me more, and to hold me even closer. And at the same time, he values me, because he knows that I will only ever tell him the truth, because it hurts him more than any lie I can concoct. As much as he dislikes it, he thinks it good that he can face his weaknesses. In truth, it only gives them credence, makes them stronger. The truth can't set you free at all; it binds you even more tightly than a lie, because it can't be unravelled. In the end, though, the final stand will be made alone. I think Lucifer grasped that, way back at the beginning. We cannot be truly free unless we claim our free will, and this is impossible with an omniscient creator watching over us. Lucifer made a break for freedom, but bound himself to us instead of God. When my rebellion comes, I'll not make that mistake. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 00:29:22 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Consider Hunger At 05:21 PM 5/3/01 -0500, you wrote: >Nice work! > >This reminds me: Has anybody written up Sinistar as an Ethereal yet? Because >if not, I feel a Need to. Yes. I even sent it to the list, several months back. However, I'll be damned if I can find it. *sigh* Help? - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 05:33:07 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: IN> Iron Rev INGREDIENTS LIST 1. a pyramid 2. an unlikely insect 3. a rumor of an easy redemption jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:45:06 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Those who see your Heart . . . (was: Question about IST characters...) > You know, the more I think about this the more Valeforian it seems to be. > The other Prince involved would be pissed, of course, so he'd only hand it > out to highly-ranked demons who have really earned it -- shown a real knack > for infiltrating that Word, or stolen something major from them in a way > that boosted Theft, for example. > > The final test? Steal a Heart for a demon of that Word. Valefor will use > part of it to give you the Distinction. Congratulations, you're now an > Impudite not only of Theft, but of Lust. You Robin Hood you. Go forth and > ravish. Dude!!! Yes! An entire secret society of Heart-theives, kick ass. Now if that's not a Celestial adventure seed, I don't know what is. I mean there's potential here for either playing the theives, or playing the cops. A vertiable cops and robbers scenario, man! hrm . . . perhaps an entry for Jo's Iron Ref . . . hee hee hee . . . - -Perry, Kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:28:47 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prodigal" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) Uh, did Jo say where to send the entries once we've finished?? - -Perry, kfC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 03:10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Iron Rev! (sic) On Thu, 3 May 2001, Perry Lloyd wrote: > Uh, did Jo say where to send the entries once we've finished?? To the list. That way we can vote on 'em. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Human germ!" -- Shrapnel (Decepticon), _Transformers: The Movie_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:58:29 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Honor-Bound, Geas-Bound - ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Keith" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: IN> Honor-Bound, Geas-Bound Nice. Really, really nice. I daresay, I had only meant to read a little, but it sucked me in . . . - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 07:24:25 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> 5/24/01 - Got Napalm? File 31127a {Copy 1 of 2} Classification – WHITE – OpSec Only Location of original – Dis Repository 791c, Section 8Y Submitted by – Captain Marsal, Commander –Infernal Fire Check Team 4 Submitted to – Duke Lorshak, Operational Security Directorate Submitted to - Prince Asmodeus, Director Synopsis – The file below is an excerpt from a high-level meeting of Infernal Fire. All members that were present were Baron-Rank or higher, except for secretaries of the attendees and various other support staff. Notes – 1 - The information contained with this document has not been seen by any sources other than myself and the Agent who filed this report (X51397z). It has not been authenticated. It is worthy of note that the filing Agent has not been sighted within the past 48 hours, and several Internal Security sources claim that his Heart shattered approximately 17 minutes after filing this report. It is my opinion that Agent X51397z was destroyed. 2 – It is my opinion that Check Team 4 may have been compromised. The Agent in question had been masquerading as a Servitor of Infernal Fire during the investigation. Said Agent, during the course of preparing this report, came into direct physical and mental contact with the Prince of Infernal Fire. It is not unreasonable to assume that Prince Belial may have realized that he had an infiltrator after the fact and destroyed him in the hope of making sure that no additional intelligence was gained. If his Ethereal Forces were stripped in the process, Prince Belial will undoubtedly know who his contacts were, and will come after them. 3 – It is my further opinion that all members of Check Team 4 should be withdrawn back to Dis, myself included, to undergo removal and reassignment of Ethereal Forces to limit potential damage to Operational Security. As much as I would like to spare myself and the members of my team the pain of Force-Stripping, we are in possession of Game-Internal procedures and information that must not fall into the hands of Infernal Fire. To that end, I have moved the team quietly onto the Corporeal Plane and positioned them to take advantage of the presence of a Tether to Divine Fire. Once orders come down from OpSec, we will assault the Tether, destroying our vessels and drawing us back to Dis in Trauma. That will eliminate the need to inform the rest of the team about the Force Stripping, and will allow any missing memories to be written off. - - File Begins – - - Gentlemen, this meeting has been called not to cast blame on anyone, but to better refine our sense of priorities and our courses of action. While there is no denying that certain parties here have not accomplished quite as much as others, all of you have still proven to be acceptable. Those whose performances I have found to be unsatisfactory have been removed back to Sheol for… other duties. This will be relatively informal, but I will not be taking any questions at this time, since we all know that The Game would love to know what we discuss in here. The longer we’re here, the more Asmodeus will wonder what is going on. Bring questions to me in private, and they’ll be brought up at the next meeting. You gentlemen are my Old Guard, and as such, you understand what we are truly about here. You are the ones that have survived long enough to have learned that patience, planning and proper intelligence will win the day. The children that fill our ranks are still impulsive and impetuous, and can barely conceive of the notion that they are not ten feet tall and bulletproof. We know better. After all, most of us here are old enough to remember a painful but very important truth – We Lost. It can actually happen – doubtless the Lightbringer was planning on things going somewhat differently, but here we are nonetheless. That, so you know, is what made me decide what the conditions for Infernal Fire would be. The Lightbringer moved before he had tested the winds sufficiently, before he had learned what tested what the properties of his fuel were. Had he taken more time and done so, he could have won the day, but instead he acted in haste. He neglected to pay attention to things that he did not want to hear instead of factoring it in. Killing Metatron may have resulted in one less Archangel to fight, and may have confused the others, but it also made the decision for many of those who were still unsure where their place in the Revolution was. One tiny mistake… that was all it took for the Lightbringer to fail - had he waited and listened to others, his plans would not have come back and burned him. Therefore, always remember that we are learning from the mistake that Lucifer made, and we will not make the same one again. There has been a noticeable trend of late among our younger demons to go for the biggest and flashiest targets available. Interesting, yes… amusing at times, but ultimately I believe that a lot of them are missing the point. They revel in the destruction and the chaos - they try to bring as much notice and glory on themselves as possible. They are reveling in the simple pleasures of being a demon, but not in one of being one of mine. The point is not to be just a demon, not even to be a demon of Fire. The point… the point is to be Fire. Being a member of Infernal Fire is not simply being in a race to see how much you can burn before the Host gets to you, which is what so many of the younglings take it for. As Fire, we can be many things. Sometimes we will be flashy, smashing and burning anything in our path and then moving on before anyone can do anything about it. Other times, we will take our time to plan and plot. We will be subtle – there have been fires that have been burning slowly underground for years in some abandoned coalmines that eventually uprooted an entire town. Took seventeen years before the government finally removed everybody, but it happened in the fullness of time. Conditions, of course, decide how the fire is going to burn. But as intelligent beings, we can dictate the conditions, and therefore the effects. Remember this – in all battles with the Host, we will be outgunned and outnumbered. The Sword and Divine Fire are both gunning for us, but by controlling the situations, we can control their responses. Take the initiative. Act. But act carefully. Act slowly. Measure your efforts to coincide with the desired effect. Not everything requires a bucket of napalm to get the job done. Sometimes a simple cigarette butt in the right place can do more damage than a ton of explosives in the same place would have. Infernal Fire is not necessarily about property damage or body counts – it’s about destruction. Destruction of comfort, of trust, of things you hold dear. It’s about having something that matters to you being taken away, and knowing that there is nothing that can be done about it. Remember, speed is not important. Quantity is not important – quality is. If it will take you an entire month to map out how a plan is supposed to work, then take that month. I will be that much more empowered than if you initiate a dozen plans in that same amount of time and have them all fail. We are no longer Ofanites, and as such we can actually take our time to think things through. Leave the stupidity and the rush jobs to the Gabrielites. Remember this too - all your actions are taken in my name. You are, by definition, extensions of myself. Where you go, I go. Every time you succeed in an operation, I succeed in furthering my Word and bolstering myself against my competitors. As I grow in power, I grow in Essence and in resources as well – those of you that bring me victory will find yourselves that much more likely to be sharing in the spoils of that victory. The reverse is also true. When you fail, I have taken a risk by sending you and have come out the worse for it. While I am capable of accepting failure on occasion, we are not just doing this for fun. Also, remember this too – when I send you and you fail, _ I _ gain Dissonance. While I am quite capable of dealing with it myself, I am also quite capable of dealing with the source of the Dissonance. Namely, you. Divine Fire is, of course, our main competitor. As such, you are to destroy them whenever possible, naturally. But do not rush into a situation when you are not prepared. Remember, I do not care how fast something gets done, just so long as it gets done. Ignore the propaganda and the prattle that Baal and Asmodeus put out about the Gabrielites – remember at all times that they are our opposite numbers. They hold the same Word as we do, and therefore can anticipate your actions to a certain extent. I will not tolerate cowardice in the ranks, but remember – they are very, very dangerous. Ignore them and you risk your lives… not to mention your ranks, should you survive. On Divine Fire further, though… if you’ve studied the Gabrielites operational records… and I have… you’ll note that they are focused in one specific area that we can take advantage of. They act in haste – in desperation, really. Once you realize that their Dissonance conditions forces them to act quickly or become consumed, you should all realize the tactical significance of this. By taking advantage of their own rules, we can dictate the order of battle. Remember, time is on our side. By showing ourselves at specific places and in specific ways, we can guarantee that the Host will respond. And someone who is responding to action does not have time to consider – he will only have certain options available to counter our moves. Someone who has no time to think will usually go with the options that they know best, and if we know what those are we can effective control the flow of the battle. Our time here grows short – there is much to be done, and we cannot allow our competitors to realize what goes on here. As a final note, consider this – the cornerstone of what we have spoken about today is control. One of the things that we must always make sure to do is to make sure that the youngest among us, as well as those among the Host never understand what we are completely about. Let them say and think what they do now – that Prince Belial is an idiot who thinks only of burning paper factories and starting forest fires. Let them think that I am a fool who cannot truly compete with the ‘true geniuses’ among the rest of Hell’s royalty. As long as we control the information that they receive, the rest of our competitors cannot effectively predict what we will do. Of course they will take down a large number of the young ones, but their place after all is to dry the leaves and the twigs that you will use to set the truly great things into motion. If they survive, so much the better for us – I will always be willing to welcome more of them into power in the fullness of time. After all, time is on our side, Gentlemen. Time is on our side. That will be all, Gentlemen. Return to your commands. I’ll be seeing you. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2202 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.