From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon May 7 15:55:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15639 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:55:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA27250 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:03:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:03:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200105072103.QAA27250@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2208 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, May 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2208 In this digest: IN> At the Movies with Dominic: The Mummy Returns Re: IN> At the Movies with Dominic: The Mummy Returns IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) IN> May 1, 2001 (ML) RE: IN> Gabriel's Apocalypse (Corrected in *Jo's response*) IN> ATMWD Notes... IN> The Band Words, Terridian Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Re: IN> May 1, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) IN> "Do you have Prince (insert name here) in a can?" IN> Iron Rev: Where? Re: IN> "Do you have Prince (insert name here) in a can?" IN> This isn't funny... really... Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) IN> A postulate about Lilith IN> Dreamlands Question Re: IN> Random IN-related stuff IN> Iron Rev: The Flea Rider Dilemma ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:02:14 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> At the Movies with Dominic: The Mummy Returns Fade in: The balcony of a movie theater in Heaven, currently remodeled with an Egyptian theme. Dominic is currently sitting in the balcony, turning to the Camera. For the occasion, His normally bland robes have received the addition of a few items of Egyptian Jewelry, and as he lifts his head, a golden egyptian mask covers the normally dark void with multiple eyes he normally has for a face. His kitten is all curled up in his lap, dressed in egyptian cat-wear. Dominic: "Greetings, movie lovers, and welcome to this special edition of "At the Movies with Dominic." As you may have deduced by the current decor and my altered garb, today's episode will focus on the new blockbuster movie launched this Weekend, "The Mummy Returns". And my special guest for today, is an Archangel who is most familiar with things of Egypt and other Ethereal Pantheons, Blandine, Archangel of Dreams." Dominic turns to his side and the camera pans into the formerly empty seat, now taken by Blandine, wearing her usual diaphanous robes, only now with some Egyptian jewelry decorating it. Dominic: "Greetings, Blandine, and welcome to my show." Blandine: "Greetings, Dominic. It's a pleasure to be here. I hope you don't mind, I also invited a friend, who's a bit more of an expert in Ancient Egyptian culture then I am." Dominic blinks behind his mask: "I dread to ask... Who?" A purr is suddenly heard on Dominic's other side, as a furry hand reaches to gently scritch the Kitten behind the ears, causing the Seraph to turn around and see the anthropomorphic (and scantly clad) feline form of the Egyptian Cat-Goddes Bast, who's currently causing The Kitten to purr gently as it's getting caressed. Dominic is obviously shocked. Dominic: "WHA-!? Bast!? How did- *Turns back to Blandine* Blandine, what is the meaning of this!? Ethereals aren't supposed to be able to enter Heaven!" Blandine starts to smile slyly: "Oh, but Dominic... Surely you're aware that Laurence has begun recruiting Ethereals to serve Heaven, aren't you? Bast is amongst the Egyptian Deities who was willing to join Heaven's cause and serve under me, which is why I am currently protecting her.*" (Alt Version) "Surely you're aware that Galahad has allowed us to change that rule, are you not? Bast has willingly been recruited and converted into an Angel by The Holy Grail. **" Dominic resonnates the Truth of Blandine's statement, then grumbles as he slumps back into his seat. Dominic: "Right... fine... why should this episode be any different from the rest... *regains his composure* Ok... in any case, we're currently here to review the newly released "The Mummy Returns," starring Brandon Frasier and Rachel Weltz, reprising their roles as Rick O' Conner and Evelyn, now his wife, the both of them now raising their nine year old son Alex, played by screen newcomer Freddie Boath. When circumstances lead to the resurrection of Imhotep the Mummy, played by Arnold Vosloo, also reprising his old role, they have to beat him in a race to the Pyramid of the Scorpion, an evil Force born of dark ritual magics, before Imhotep can seize that power and bring ruin to the World..." Bast smiles and nods, as she continues to pet and cuddle the Kitten, who's crawled unto the armrest between her and Dominic: "Yeah, that was a pretty good movie, lotsa excitment and adventure, along with some comedy and drama! I have to say, though, they got some of the details wrong: Anubis isn't really a Dark God... or at least, he wasn't until Saminga made him an offer he couldn't refuse... *She started to frown and work into a growl, until she catches the Archangels looking at her, then smiles and brightens up* But I digress. Also, I don't remember Pharaohs having their wives and daughters duel with Sais, but I guess they took some liberties for the sake of fun... Not that I mind, really. I did get a positive mention in the first one." She starts to grin and purr like a kitten herself, as the camera pans to Blandine. Blandine nods: "I'm no fan of horror movies, as one can imagine, but I can't help but find myself liking this movie, as it doesn't encourage Fear, but Courage, which eats at Beleth's own Word... *She starts to smile almost viciously as she says this, then catches her self and coughs to cover herself. Both Bast and Dominic give each other an "Oh Brother" look* ...Ahem. I also enjoyed the wonderfully made CGI effects, which were vastly improved from the last, but didn't take away anything from the dramatic action of the great work of the actors." Both females turn to Dominic, almost expecting some blasting remarks about something, but he calmly adds: "I Must agree with the both of you. While this movie certainly isn't going down in history as one of the great classics, I found that it was fast paced and action-packed, with some good character development on the part of all the characters. While Dwayne Johnson (The Rock)'s character had a very short amount of screen time for the hype tied to him, I didn't find his absence all that distracting. I also found the production crew successfully managed to make this new movie even better then the original. Overall, a very good Film." Both Bast and Blandine blink a bit at Dominic's words. He turns to them both, then shrugs. "Hey, I'm allowed to like good movies, aren't I?" The two females chuckle at that remark, as Dominic turns back to the Camera. "Well, All in all, I think we can agree that The Mummy Returns has earned itself two thumbs up." A cough is heard to his right. "My apologies... Three thumbs up. In any case, this has been our review, thank you for watching, and I would like to thank my guests..." Bast puts the Kitten back into Dominic's lap and smiles at him. "It was a pleasure, Nikky. Look me up sometimes, will'ya? I just love cat-people." She gives him a sly wink, then walks away, the camera delaying a bit on her backside, until a cough from Dominic makes it pan back. Dominic: "Ahem... Yes... Blandine, any last..." He turns to see that Blandine has disappeared just as mysteriously as she appeared. "Of course... Well, in any case, until next time, the Balcony is closed. Thank you for watching." As the Camera fades to black, we hear the Kitten mewling, before Dominic answers "No, I have no intention of asking that cat-goddess out, stop asking..." - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> At the Movies with Dominic: The Mummy Returns ROACLMWO! I especially liked the reference to Bast's cute "tail." ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Hey, remember that little comment that Jon made about me being the Prince of Heresy*? Well... http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/oops/Maurice.htm I swear that I had no choice: it was interfering with everything else in the print queue. I _swear_.** :) Moe *Oh, yes: phhbbbth. Just wanted to get that on the record. :) **I didn't update the site otherwise, BTW. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:28:44 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Somehow, I knew this was coming. Good read, though. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> May 1, 2001 (ML) I happen to detest Communism as an economic theory / political system ... so I did my best to be nice. Moe The New Soviet Man Degrading Genius Loci Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 6 Agility: 4 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 4 Precision: 7 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 8 Perception: 4 (Note that the added characteristics do not reflect extra development, but instead are indicative of the NSM's slow decline) Vessel: fairly young man/3, +2 Charisma Skills: Chemistry/1, Dodge/3, Emote/2, Fighting/4, Knowledge (Marxist-Leninism/6), Language (English/2, Russian/6 (native)), Ranged Weapons/3 (Rifle) Songs: Might (Corporeal/3), Dreams (All/3), Harmony (Ethereal/3), Motion (Celestial/1), Shields (All/1), Tongues (Ethereal/3) He's seen better days. Actually, that's too flippant. The New Soviet Man (NSM) is dying - and worse, knows it. No matter what one might think of Communism (and that argument is still going strong on all three planes of existence), the ethereal was personally an all right guy. Maybe not the most flexible entity in existence, but good to have at one's back in a pinch - and he was always ready to help out. It's not his fault that he got associated with a totalitarian regime. However, said totalitarian regime is now dust on the wind, and pretty soon ... so will he. He can feel himself start to slip away: if he's lucky, the NSM has about five years, tops, before he becomes too faint to be effective. It's not something to look forward to, so he's decided not to. Time for one last glorious blow against the Enemies of the People, it would seem. The only problem was, which enemies? Going after, say, the USA is kind of futile - besides, he's actually worked with Uncle Sam a couple of times in the last few decades, and doesn't want to duplicate ideology that much (not to mention the fact that Sam would reluctantly wipe the floor with him). Going after Hell ... well, there's the minor fact that the NSM was a 'god' of an atheistic pantheon, so he finds it a little hard to even recognize demons in the first place. The NSM was pretty much in a quandary until he noticed the explosive growth of the Russian Mafia. The fact that these guys seem to evoke every negative thing about capitalism was nice: add to that the fact that they seemed to have recruited former Servants of the State (read: "traitors"), and the NSM became very happy. Destroying some of those leeches on the sacred body of the /rodina/ was just what he wanted to do before he 'died'. In fact, that's what he's doing now, and having quite a bit of fun in the process. The hooligans are starting to whisper about a grim man that appears out of nowhere and blows up drug laboratories; a man who shrugs off bullets; a man who always leaves a hammer and sickle behind (usually carved into someone's forehead). In fact, the belief in his supernatural abilities may start actually feeding Essence to him soon (something that the NSM will not be happy about, actually: he wants to have them fear him, not worship him). Needless to say, both sides of the War are starting to get reports about this, and theoretically both sides want the NSM dead. Of course, angels might decide to interpret "get rid of him" to include "...by giving him enough firepower and backup to let him take a lot of utter bastards with him". Any demons that serve Princes who hate Fleurity or Mammon might likewise indulge in a spot of creative editing. Funny how that seems to happen a lot with certain celestials. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 05:35:42 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: RE: IN> Gabriel's Apocalypse (Corrected in *Jo's response*) > > I'm very sorry; from now on I won't write things in Word; >I'll use notepad. Word's fine if you find it easier, just remember to save your files in plain text format. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 06:32:36 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> ATMWD Notes... Dernit... Can't believe I forgot to add these at the tail ends to my last post... >< * Shameless promotion of my own setting, "Crusade of the Sword" ** Shameless promotion of Moe's own Galahad, Archangel of Virtue. Sorry for the confusion. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 23:34:11 +1200 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: IN> The Band Words, Terridian "The world is one big lie. Mine." Terridian Band Demon The Balseraph Demon of Lies Corporeal: 4 Str: 6, Agi: 10 Ethereal: 6 Int: 12, Pre: 12 Celestial: 6 Will: 12, Per: 12 Vessels: Human Male/2, Human Female/2 both Cha+2, Skills: Dodge/3, Fighting/2, Ranged Weapon(Pistol)/2, Large Weapon(Halberd)/3, Savoir Faire/5, Emote/4, Computer Operations/4, Chemistry/2, Medicine/2 Songs: Shields(Eth/4, Cele/3), Healing(Corp/5), Concealment(Cele/6), Motion(All/3), Distortion/4, Disjunction(Cele/4), Charm(All/6), Form(All/4), Self(All/6) Attunements: All Balseraph Attunements(Mercurian), All Servitor Attunements of Baal and Mammon, The Demon of Lies, Band Demon, True Lies. Band Demon: As the Demon of Lies, Terridian is completely immune to the Balseraph Resonance when used by another Celestial on him. This does not include Superiors. The Demon of Lies: Terridian auto succeeds with his Resonance and any advanced uses with a CD of his choice. If his target is mortal he may NOT resist, Celestials, Undead, Saints and Ethereals resist at -3 to Will, except for Balseraphs. Terridian can make them believe what he wants. True Lies: This Attunement and 3 Essence can extend Terridian's Word to physical reality. Any lie told about a corporeal object will become true instantly. He can affect 30lbs x Corp Forces of matter with this power. "Your guns are empty", "Oh that bridge is out up ahead.", "He has a love note from his mistress in his suit pocket... don't you Kevin." This doesn't create a Disturbance unless someone witnesses the false become true before their eyes. They would have to see the bullet phase out of existance and so on. Then it Disturbs as the destruction of the item would. Any attempt to affect a Human or Celestial results in failure. He is subject to Dissonance if something disproves his lie. The mistress proving she is crippled in the hands and couldn't write the note and so on. Rite: Convince someone to lie to another person (useable 3 times daily) Lucifer is still laughing. First he made a Human Wordbound, then he turned a fundamental truth about Balseraphs' into a lie. He has reason to be happy. Terridian knows that everything he does isn't worth the paper he says it's printed on. He knows he is lying and he doesn't care. He feels funny that his Band mates are so caught up in "perspective truth". It keeps him up at night thinking about it... then again, he doesn't sleep. He doesn't create a truth within him then bother trying to extend that onto a target and he definately doesn't believe what he is saying. He makes up whatever BS he wants to and then *makes* the sucker believe it. The reason for this is simple. He is about as far removed from a Seraph as you can be. Terridian was created from Lucifer's own Forces, with a few from Kronos and Baal. Lucifer provided the Balseraph, Baal the motivation and Kronos the surpression of the inner-Seraph so prevalent in Balseraphs. Terridian can never be redeemed because of this. He would just disband as soon as anyone tried. He knows this and that keeps him %100 dedicated to his task, out of pride.... and abject terror. Terridian's sole job is to keep humans from the truth about anything. He doesn't have to work hard, humanity is right into self-deception in the 21st century. He makes it ok to lie about your little secrets, fine to cover your brothers murder habits and perfectly acceptable to conceal valuable information from police. Physically he is not very formidable, but he never has to get his hands dirty anyway. He is intelligent and very perceptive. Not one chance to promote a lie escapes his gaze. He finds Banks, Legal Offices, Investment Firms, Software Houses and Schools the best places for promoting mistruths. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 05:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Hey, remember that little comment that Jon made about > me being the Prince of Heresy*? [sigh] You realize, of course, that this could touch off a round of amusing self-portraits. Don't say I didn't warn you. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 05:57:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> May 1, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > The New Soviet Man > Degrading Genius Loci Interesting work. Mind if I quibble again? 1) Genius Loci? As a spirit associated with an ideology rather than a place, wouldn't he be more of a zeitgeist? The Spirit of Russia, now, _that_ would be a Genius Loci. 2) Common misconception: the Soviet system wasn't communism, it was socialism (though, admittedly, the latter often claims to be the former). In the one, the entire community has equal shares in everything. In the other, the government owns everything -- but may claim to hold it in trust "for the people." Truly communistic systems can't be totalitarian. They also don't work well on the national level. Of course, this is coming from someone who thinks that communism could work just fine for small towns and city states, so take however large a grain of salt you like with this. Other than that, I liked it. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:01:22 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) At 5:47 AM -0700 5/7/01, Michael Walton wrote: >--- Maurice Lane wrote: >> Hey, remember that little comment that Jon made about >> me being the Prince of Heresy*? > > [sigh] You realize, of course, that this could touch off >a round of amusing self-portraits. > Don't say I didn't warn you. };> Hey, I double-dog dared *Moe* to do my amusing portrait. (And triple-dog dared him to do David Edelstein's. Of course, the latter might get him killed....) If I attempt to do my own Egotism, I keep getting hung up after the line "Mostly Harmless." - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:10:29 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) > Hey, I double-dog dared *Moe* to do my amusing portrait. (And > triple-dog dared him to do David Edelstein's. Of course, the latter > might get him killed....) Actually, I'd like to see Moe do mine. Of course, I would most certainly *regret* it, but I'd still like to see it. :-) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> "Do you have Prince (insert name here) in a can?" This popped into my head again as a result of reading Gabriel's Apocalypse (good seed, BTW). I thought that I'd play with it a little. OK, to make this trick work you need a minor Superior under your thumb. Not the easiest trick in the world to accomplish, but Lucifer's certainly got the oomph to do it (as well as the Seraphim Council, provided that they're sufficiently dark). You'd probably want to get rid of the Superior afterwards, too. Anyway... Accumulate a bunch of 18 Force celestials. Remove all but one of their Ethereal Forces (they'll just get in the way). Optimally, you want a Int 1, Pre 3 drooling idiot. Take the Superior. Word-strip him or her (and get rid of all of his/her Ethereal Forces while you're at it: they'll also just get in the way). Take the first drooling idiot and embue them with the Superior Level Word. Wait for the Superior State Change. Strip the new Superior of his/her Word, also remove the last Ethereal Force and put the zombie Superior on ice. Put the Word back into the original holder (keeps it fresh). Check the restraints again: can't be too careful. Repeat above until you've got a bunch of processed entities that have undergone the Superior State Change. Stick them in metaphorical 50 gallon drums until you need a new Superior. Said Superior would get the necessary Ethereal Forces at the same time as he/she receives her new Superior-level Word - both carefully chosen and edited by Lucifer/Seraphim Council, of course - and starts the new day without any messy obligations, loyalties or vendettas. A nice temporary patch for those disaster situations. Adventure potentials? Well, if you're not running a Dark Campaign, have Vapula get his hands on Beelzebubb's Remnant and let him try this trick on his own. Knowing Vapula, it'll blow up in an entertaining fashion (the advantage of this is that he'll still try if even if it's actually impossible in your particular campaign): that's why there's an Archangel of Technology in the first place. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Iron Rev: Where? Could somebody please send me the link to the collected submissions? I seem to have misplaced it. Thanx! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:46:10 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> "Do you have Prince (insert name here) in a can?" But is a Superior still superior after being Word-stripped? I don't think there's any canon precendent. And would giving a non-Superior the Word of a Superior turn it into one, or would you have to make the elevation as a separate operation? If Superior elevation and Word-binding are independent operations, that raises the interesting possibility of an Archangel General, who is not an Archangel OF anything. (Ditto Demon Prince.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:52:43 -0600 From: "Julian Mensch" Subject: IN> This isn't funny... really... Actually, it hovers halfway between amusing and disturbing. Check out this new-age angel page: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dastony/angels/angelsamong.html Go under "angels," then "archangels." This individual seems to have mistaken a list of In Nomine Superiors for RL angel lore. It looks like he came upom the SJG Prerelease and just copied out the list of Archangels. Someone should really politely tell him, because any case of people treating RPG settings as if they were real is /bad/, in terms of publicity, but I really have no idea how best to explain this to him. Anyone else care to address this? - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:07:54 -0600 From: Timothy Groth Subject: Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) I'm sure that one of my professors is an Impudite of Heresy. Speaking of educators being servitors of Heresy little kids in IN probably have low Wills, which means a lot of havoc if Maurice's Servitors began flooding the school systems. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:24:08 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... Heh. And interestingly enough, he's got the always authentic Gustav Davidson as a source but not In Nomine. How peculiar. >From: "Julian Mensch" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: IN> This isn't funny... really... >Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:52:43 -0600 > > Go under "angels," then "archangels." This individual >seems to have mistaken a list of In Nomine Superiors >for RL angel lore. It looks like he came upom the SJG >Prerelease and just copied out the list of Archangels. >Someone should really politely tell him, because any >case of people treating RPG settings as if they were >real is /bad/, in terms of publicity, but I really have >no idea how best to explain this to him. Anyone else >care to address this? > >-- Julian Mensch _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:33:06 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... >Heh. And interestingly enough, he's got the always authentic Gustav Davidson >as a source but not In Nomine. How peculiar. I'll note that the "Lucifer" page has a link to one of the In Nomine stories on the sjgames.com site. * * * * * Jason Schneiderman, Editor, EDITORIAL HUMOR. E-mail: edhumor@tiac.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:19:35 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... There's also a link to the Lucifer story on the sjgames website (the one where Lucifer makes one little change to a contract), off the Lucifer subsection of that site, at http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dastony/angels/lucifer.html - -----Original Message----- From: Julian Mensch To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: 07 May 2001 18:53 Subject: IN> This isn't funny... really... > Actually, it hovers halfway between amusing and >disturbing. Check out this new-age angel page: > >http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dastony/angels/angelsamong.html > > Go under "angels," then "archangels." This individual >seems to have mistaken a list of In Nomine Superiors >for RL angel lore. It looks like he came upom the SJG >Prerelease and just copied out the list of Archangels. >Someone should really politely tell him, because any >case of people treating RPG settings as if they were >real is /bad/, in terms of publicity, but I really have >no idea how best to explain this to him. Anyone else >care to address this? > >-- Julian Mensch > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:45:38 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... Honestly, if some twit at umich can't do his research, it is NOT our problem :) (I'm not convinced it isn't a joke anyway.) jo >From: "Genevieve Cogman" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... >Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:19:35 +0100 > >There's also a link to the Lucifer story on the sjgames website (the one >where Lucifer makes one little change to a contract), off the Lucifer >subsection of that site, at >http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dastony/angels/lucifer.html > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Julian Mensch >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: 07 May 2001 18:53 >Subject: IN> This isn't funny... really... > > > > Actually, it hovers halfway between amusing and > >disturbing. Check out this new-age angel page: > > > >http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dastony/angels/angelsamong.html > > > > Go under "angels," then "archangels." This individual > >seems to have mistaken a list of In Nomine Superiors > >for RL angel lore. It looks like he came upom the SJG > >Prerelease and just copied out the list of Archangels. > >Someone should really politely tell him, because any > >case of people treating RPG settings as if they were > >real is /bad/, in terms of publicity, but I really have > >no idea how best to explain this to him. Anyone else > >care to address this? > > > >-- Julian Mensch > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:45:13 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Timothy Groth wrote: > little kids in IN probably have low Wills Just more evidence that this is a FANTASY RPG. Ask Beth whether Iolanthe has a low Will. Earl (father of a 5-yr-old) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:50 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> This isn't funny... really... In article , jmensch@home.com (Julian Mensch) wrote: > Actually, it hovers halfway between amusing and > disturbing. Check out this new-age angel page: > > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dastony/angels/angelsamong.html > > Go under "angels," then "archangels." This individual > seems to have mistaken a list of In Nomine Superiors > for RL angel lore. It looks like he came upom the SJG > Prerelease and just copied out the list of Archangels. > Someone should really politely tell him, because any > case of people treating RPG settings as if they were > real is /bad/, in terms of publicity, but I really have > no idea how best to explain this to him. Anyone else > care to address this? I just sent him an e-mail, saying that I hoped I'd fallen for his practical joke, but I was worried that he might be for real. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:08:42 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> New Prince (and example of monstrous egotism) (OOPS) Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Just more evidence that this is a FANTASY RPG. > Ask Beth whether Iolanthe has a low Will. Now, let's be serious. Infantile stubbornnes is not at all the same thing as force of Will sufficient to resist diabolical powers. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:06:12 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: IN> A postulate about Lilith Okay, as we all know, Lilith was somehow granted Superiorhood by Lucifer, as some sort of deal. Now, no one knows how he did it, and neither of them are telling, so that leaves her as a sort of enigma. One question that arose in my mind recently was simple: why hasn't he done it again? And then the answer came: she Geased him. When he made the deal to her, she agreed, but Geased both herself and him to seal the deal: that she would serve him, and that he would never create another like her. Lilith is most certainly -not- stupid, and she realised that while she is indeed unique, and therefor valuable, if she ever gave Lucifer reason to replace her, he would. And so, in order to preserve her own existance, she made that addition to the bargain. Of course, given the scale of the Geas and the fact that these are Superior-level entities we're talking about, the Geas, on both sides, is astronomical, probably ranging on a scale measured in billions of years. Ironically, this means that even Lilith herself isn't free, and isn't likely to be free for some time yet. Hey, if nothing else, it means she isn't going to be Redeeming any time soon. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:01:43 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Dreamlands Question Okay. I've looked and looked and my Perception 1 is preventing me discovering the truth . . . How can you enter a Dreamscape from /within/ the Marches?? - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:33:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Random IN-related stuff Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:35:09 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Random IN-related stuff From: "Jo Hart" > >> "I am pleased to report to the Seraphim Council >>that as requested, I have taken care of all the >>surviving Lilim. They will no longer be a problem." > >The mental image of Laurence saying "Right. Will do," >and strapping on his sword belt came to me as well... Funny about that: I'm seeing the exact same image, with a completely different outcome*... Moe *Sorry. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:53:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Matt Walsh Subject: IN> Iron Rev: The Flea Rider Dilemma (How's about I apologise right now for the title...) The Flea Rider Dilemma - ---------------------- Eli created it, of course. "It", in this case, appears to be a colourful plastic puzzle, of the sort that was very popular twenty years ago in the wake of Rubik's Cube. Like similar puzzles, it's a regular pyramid, about four inches on a side. It also twists and turns in confusing, nonintuitive ways and seems to have far too many colours on it. What does it do? Well, the Archangel of Creation gave it to a Dissonant Servitor some time ago to work on, The angel played with it for a week, and when it was finally solved the Servitor's Dissonance was gone. Since then it's been passed around the local Creationer community, whenever someone had a particular need for it. Recently, though -- like yesterday -- that changed. The angels had allowed a Renegade demon to try solving it. It took the demon (a Balseraph named Korad) over a month, but he finally restored it to its pristine state... and had, in the process, realigned himself with the true Symphony. At least, they're pretty sure he did. It's difficult to say, because that's the point when the angels got ambushed by a squad of Calabim. Korad was wounded badly, then apparently vanished; the other angels had their Vessels killed. One of the casualties was Adleriel, a Malakite of Creation in service to War, who naturally reported what had happened when he reappeared in Heaven. - --- If you're running this for angels, this is where the PCs come in. Their assignment is twofold: recover the pyramid, and figure out what happened to Korad. There's a certain amount of dissention within the Seraphim Council at the moment regarding what to do with the pyramid: Dominic wants to seize it as evidence, Jean wants to study it, and both Novalis and Laurence (in agreement, for once) want to know whether it really can redeem demons all by itself. Of course, to know that, they need to talk to Korad... Adleriel will come with the PCs as a native guide. It's his opinion that Korad is in Limbo right now, but he's certainly willing to help find the demons who killed his last Vessel. And he knows at least one hangout for Gamesters that might be a good place to investigate, once they've checked out the site of the attack and found no better leads. One thing that will happen when the angels visit the scene of the crime, though, is that one of the PCs will acquire a passenger: a flea. (Or actually several fleas; the Creationers who'd been living in the abandoned warehouse had kept dogs.) It won't be until the afflicted angel starts hearing a voice inside his or her head that s/he might realise that one of the fleas is not quite natural. - --- Korad has been a Renegade for a long time. The Prince he served was killed over six hundred years ago, and the Balseraph's been running ever since. He'd nearly forgotten about his "spare" Vessel (leftover from his role in his Prince's scheme to dominate Earth), and certainly hasn't used it in decades. He'd finally decided, after centuries of internal struggle, to try for Redemption. Riddled with Discord, Korad eased his way into the loose-knit community, and learned about the pyramid. Here, it seemed, was a pathway to Heaven without having to face an Archangel, without possibly being gunned down by impatient Malakim, and -- most importantly -- without the risk of being dispersed into the Symphony. Korad convinced Adleriel and some of his cohorts to let him try the puzzle; the Malakite, sensing Korad's honourable intentions, agreed. Korad is pretty sure that it worked. When he touched the pyramid, it swirled into a nightmare of colours and shapes; after hundreds of hours of doing nothing but examining and turning the puzzle, he could feel his Discord slipping away, feel something -- pure -- enter his consciousness. Elated, he ran out to tell the others, and ran face-first into a Calabite's fist. Switching into his flea Vessel was the only thing that he could think of. When the PCs show up, Korad will latch on to one of them, and after a while use his Ethereal Song of Tongues to make mental contact. He'll be very evasive about where and who he is; old habits die hard. He's also suspects Adleriel might have set him up for the attack, and so will try to convince his host to keep his presence a secret. He does know a fair bit about the local demonic community, and so can silently prompt his host in likely directions. - --- Actually, the local Gamesters have nothing to do with the attack. They had heard about the Relic, and had started laying plans of their own, until they were pre-empted. The interest of the Game is easy to see: a Relic that clears Dissonance, cures Discord, and possibly redeems demons...? There is *no* *way* that Asmodeus would let something like that roam around free. Some other Princes -- Kronos, Baal, Vapula -- agree with him, and so those four Princes will each have Servitors out and about to find out what's going on. This is one option for demonic PCs. The demons that actually stole the device have somewhat more sinister purposes in mind. One thing that Adleriel *didn't* mention in his debriefing -- though it will come out if the PCs investigate within the Creationer community -- is that the Relic was given to a human once, in the hopes that it would help him through his difficulties. It didn't. In fact, it drove him completely mad; humans just aren't equipped to handle the insight into one's inner nature that the puzzle provides. Azgaz, Impudite of Dark Humour, heard about this side effect and thought that it was hilarious. He recruited some Calabim of Death (and possibly some other demons, i.e. demonic PCs) to help him get his hands on it. Now Azgaz is looking for the perfect... straight man. Of course, Azgaz has no intention of using the device himself -- and given the nature of rumours, might not even know the Relic's real purpose -- but it's a fascinating-looking object, and one of his confederates might well pick it up and start playing. - --- Two last things: firstly, it's not certain that Korad's been redeemed. After all, all the Relic is *known* to do is remove Dissonance and Discord (and madden humans); it's possible that one of the angelic PCs is carrying around a Balseraph in the form of a flea, stripped of all Discord and doubts about his demonic nature, who is pursuing his own agenda. (Or even worse: a Balseraph who is absolutely convinced that he's redeemed, convincing himself that he can read the Truth in what people say, and unconsciously using his (real) Resonance on his host to convince him/her as well.) Secondly, Asmodeus considers himself a master of *all* games. A complicated puzzle devised by the Archangel of Creation might just pique his curiosity... which means that (if the pyramid *can* perform Redemptions) that the angels might want to do their best to make sure the demons end up with it, while the Gamesters would find it in their best long-term interests to "lose" the Relic by accident... ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2208 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.