From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu May 10 00:36:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02337 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 00:36:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id AAA16679 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 00:44:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:44:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200105100544.AAA16679@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2216 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2216 In this digest: Re: IN> Remnant Question IN> Servants of the Fallen III IN> new dischord: spartacus Re: IN> new dischord: spartacus Re: IN> new dischord: spartacus Re: IN> new dischord: spartacus Re: IN> setting idea Re: IN> setting idea Re: IN> setting idea IN> IN History Re: IN> Servants of the Fallen I Re: IN> Servants of the Fallen III Re: IN> IN History Re: IN> IN History Re: IN> IN History Re: IN> IN History Re: IN> IN History Re: IN> setting idea Re: IN> IN History IN> Quick question or two... Re: IN> Quick question or two... Re: IN> IN History Re: IN> setting idea Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2215 IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) IN> SoTF Errata RE: IN> IN History RE: IN> IN History IN> Amagalm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Remnant Question - --- Phillip wrote: > I'd leave that ability to Celstials and Ethereals. I > don't think humans > have the... (trying to fnid the right words here) > fluidity of form necessary > to engage in Celestial combat, or to be attacked directly > that way. IIRC, attacking a dreamer in his/her Dreamscape celestially is a Very Bad Idea. Other than that, I think Sorcerers are the only Mortals who can pull it off. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 04:21:11 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: IN> Servants of the Fallen III 'Nuff said. :) Manny Neps Spyd Outcast Grigori Friend of Purity Corporeal Forces 4 Strength 8 Agility 8 Ethereal Forces 3 Intelligence 6 Precision 6 Celestial Forces 4 Will 6 Perception 10 Vessel: Human male (Malay male)/4 Role: "Ramon Legaspi" (bartender)/4, Status/2 Attunements: Grigori of Purity*, Purity of Purpose**, Vassal of Purity*** Songs: Light (Celestial/4), Entropy (Celestial/3) Skills: Fighting (Brawling/4), Knowledge (Bartending/6), Language (English/3, Norwegian/3, Tagalog/3)****, Small Weapon (Pistol)/3 Rites: - - Duel with a diabolical (From Michael). * Grigori of Purity: As a Servitor of Purity, Spyd cannot – or will not – Fall. He also receives a bonus to his perception when hearing disturbances in the Symphony caused by beings with dissonance or Discord. ** Purity of Purpose: Same as Laurence’s attunement of the same name in S1. *** Vassal of Purity: Spyd has the ability to remove one note of dissonance from another angel for 7 Essence, provided that he and the angel have no Discord. However, Spyd also takes 7 hits of soul damage. **** Spyd knows most of the languages spoken in the world – and quite a few that are no longer used. Created by Uriel, Archangel of Purity, Spyd ("Spear") was meant to be a weapon against the darkness – a hunter who would protect humanity from the dark forces of evil and corruption. More Malakite than Grigori, Spyd wasn’t particularly well liked by his Choirmates. For starters, he took a leaf from Uriel's book and never indulged in sex. Never. Needless to say, the casting out of his entire Choir came as a shock to Spyd. He’d spent years in faithful service to Heaven and the Lord Commander of its armies, and what did he get? There was no justice in the verdict, no justice at all. In private, Spyd took advantage of his Distinction and appealed to Uriel, who listened to what the Watcher had to say. In the end, Spyd was allowed to keep his attunements and his Distinction, in the hope that he’d be able to use them to earn a place back in the halls of Heaven. Spyd had no illusions about that – he’d seen what Dominic and the rest of the Seraphim Council were capable of doing – but this was better than nothing. Sulking, the lone Watcher decided to make a life for himself in what is today Scandinavia. He joined humanity, taking care to move carefully and not call attention to himself. From time to time, he was even able to kill a few errant demons. Around three thousand years ago, Spyd came upon an interesting sight – Archangel Michael and his nemesis, Prince Baal, manifesting on the corporeal plane. (How he became a witness to this, not even he knows...he suspects that Michael had something to do with it.) Although the Balseraph was not happy about their meeting being disturbed by so lowly an angel, the Archangel of War interceded on Spyd’s behalf and offered him a job. Today, Spyd has a Role as a bartender in a small place in the Philippines. He’s owned it for three years, and in two more he’ll move on again – probably to someplace in New Zealand. He’s established a pretty good pattern – every five years or so, new country, new bar. He sends a message out to his two patrons, letting them know where the place is; it’s up to them to decide when they want to get together for a few drinks and a friendly chat. Spyd remembers to stock up on that special whiskey Baal is so fond of, and he’s even got that hard-to-find beer Michael likes; although, if worse came to worst, he could probably brew it himself. He doesn’t forget to change his identity, either – Michael supplies the vessel, Baal gives him the Role, both of them provide the cash, and as long as he behaves himself (meaning, no killing demons of the War – but those of other Words are okay) he’s guaranteed a decent living until Armageddon comes. (Spyd is not a point-balanced character. His Purity attunements are conjectural. The Purity of Purpose attunement is taken from Laurence’s attunement of the same name.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:28:02 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> new dischord: spartacus Well, heres a little thing i had in my ead for a few days now, sparked off in to recall by FallenSeraph. =========================== No I'm Spartacus Ethereal Dischord This came about quite a long time ago, at about the same time as the soul of spartacus got in to hell to be accurate. However it has over time changed to resemble the famous scene in the film, you know the one, the inspiring one where lots of folks get killed for just one guy. Level 1: The charecter looks downright shifty and dishonest, minus total level to any social/charisma rolls. Level 2: When ever some ones name is called out (the name of a truly guilty person not just any old name) loud enough to be heard, the dischordant one must make a will power roll minus twice the level of the dischord or they will stand upor make some gesture that they are the one being called out aloud. Level 3: The charecter now when hearing a certain name called out loud (the name of a truly guilty person) they will not only gesture but answer to the name of the guilty person. Level 4 and beyond: It was once rumoured that there were worse things than standing and saying that you were the gulity person, but they are just rumours. Honest. It was ruomoured that the dischordant one some how beleived they were the guilty person and in the grossest final stages of dischord it was rumoured to have leeked out to people all around them (Eth forces + dischord level radius on yards *G*) This Dischord now more than anything appears in renagades and demons of Nybbas. Its rumoured to have appeared also in malakites of fire, war, judgement and whole sale through stones servitors. ====================================== Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:48:39 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> new dischord: spartacus Hmm, after a discusion with the upper management it has been decided thatthis should have been called Mea Culpa. Consider it re named. Cheers all >No I'm Spartacus >Ethereal Dischord Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:54:26 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> new dischord: spartacus - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cassandra benner" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: Re: IN> new dischord: spartacus > Hmm, after a discusion with the upper management it has been decided > thatthis should have been called Mea Culpa. How's about "Scapegoat"? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:59:50 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> new dischord: spartacus Well i guess that this could be called a number of things depending on who is suffering from it.... > > Hmm, after a discusion with the upper management it has been decided > > thatthis should have been called Mea Culpa. > >How's about "Scapegoat"? > >-- >Chuckg Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:36:11 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: Re: IN> setting idea > I let the players start as non-celestials => but they are celestials, > altough they don't know it You guys missed the most obvious and canonically sound approach, which I can't believe, but, hey, everybody has an off day. :) Run an all-Remnant campaign. Think about it. It'd be great. After years and years of wandering around aimlessly on earth, something has brought a group of Remnants together, except they don't know that they're Remnants. They're heavily buried in the Roles they had when they were still Celestials and simply consider themselves to be a bunch of humans trying to do the right thing. Then slowly-but-surely, you bring them into knowledge of the War and their Celestial nature. Getting turned back into full-fledged angels isn't going to be likely for all of them, of course, since "redeeming" Remnants isn't very popular in Heaven, but those who do rejoin the Host are going to fill a large debt of gratitude to the others and so the group could still continue to go adventuring together. This plan would work best with a group that was pretty new to In Nomine, since more experienced players will probably able to figure out what's going on when you tell them they can't have any Celestial forces :) With newer players, though... "Of _course_ you don't get any Celestial forces! What do you think you are, a Celestial? No, humans just get Corporeal and Ethereal forces. Promise." In either case, I think Remnants is probably still the way to go. I've been wanting to run that style of campaign for a while, but haven't found a group of players who were interested. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:43:25 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> setting idea Hm, I just had a thought. Can a Remnant character earn character points and raise his Will and Perception? Can he eventually grow an extra Celestial force? Ben There are no limits to what can be accomplished if you do not care who gets the credit. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:49:19 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> setting idea From: "Ben Glickler" <> I believe that one's GM's option. <> That one, however, is a definite no. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 18:09:20 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: IN> IN History You guessed it, yet another question from me. ^_^ So I'm reading through various things in the IN Collection, and I've seen the following about pre-Fall stats: Andre was the Archangel of Love Kobal was the Archangel of Laughter Baal was the Archangel of Valor Asmodeus was a Cherub of Judgement David was the Cherub Archangel of Stone Etc, etc, etc. So now I'm wondering, what were the *others* before? What did the newer Archangels start as, before becoming Word-bound/Malakim/etc? Were the other Demon Princes Archangels (if so, of what), angels (if so, of who), or Hellborn (if so, who'd they work for?) I'm mostly looking for what Words ex-Archangel DPs held, but any information you have would be good. ^_^ I've got a plot seed forming in the back of my head... ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The secret of being a child is never knowing that you will one day die. The secret of being an adult...is never forgetting that you once were immortal. Anthy Himemiya, 'Ten Years After' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 22:15:24 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Servants of the Fallen I I like this very much. Lovely person. I may put her in my campaig if you don't mind. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 22:16:32 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Servants of the Fallen III This one's amusing too. Janet Anderson (What brand of hard-to-find beer?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:32:45 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> IN History From: "S.D." <> Not quite. He was not an Archangel, just the Angel of Laughter. <> Dominic wasn't an Archangel yet. I wonder, did he (Dominic) come under Yves then, or Uriel...or perhaps Lucifer? Or were large numbers of Word-Bound ranked under only God in those days? Either way, Asmodeus was a Servitor of Dominic, and therefore a Cherub of Dominic's Superior. <> <> Blandine: Cherub Archangel of Dreams Beleth: Cherub Archangel of Fear David: Cherub Archangel of Stone Kobal: Mercurian Angel of Laughter Dominic: Seraph Angel of Judgment Asmodeus: Cherub, highest Servitor of the Angel of Judgment Eli: Mercurian Archangel of Creation Andrealphus: Mercurian Archangel of Love Gabriel: Ofanite Archangel of Fire Belial: Ofanite Servitor of Gabriel, with no Word Janus: Ofanite Archangel of the Wind Valefor: ????????? (This is why Asmodeus and Kronos hate him so--they don't know where he came from...He claims to be a Hellborn creation of Demogorgon, though.) Jean: Elohite Archangel of Lightning Vapula: Hellborn Habbalite creation of Kronos, may or may not have been made from Raphael's Remnant Jordi: Kyriotate Archangel of Animals Haagenti: Hellborn Calabite creation of Meserach Laurence: Born a Malakite in Heaven, created by Uriel, became Angel of the Sword and then Archangel of the Sword Saminga: Fallen Kyriotate of unknown Superior and no Word. Marc: Mercurian Angel of Trade (gained Archangelhood after the Fall). Nybbas: Hellborn Impudite creation of Vapula Michael: Seraph of uncertain status. He was always the Firstborn (after Yves), and Lucifer calls him "War" during the Fall (in Superiors 1), but he's noted as having earned his position when he cast down Lucifer. Perhaps he was merely the Angel of War before the Fall, though it seems horribly counterintuitive for the Firstborn to have become an Archangel after so many younger angels did. Baal: Fallen Seraph Archangel of Valor (his expanded writeup notes that Michael was an Archangel before the Fall. Geh. Anyone got an explanation for this?) Novalis: Cherub Angel of Flowers (gained Archangelhood after the Fall). Various net-references place her as a Servitor of Stone, but this has, afaict, no official support. Malphas: Fallen Kyriotate of unknown Superior and no Word, I believe. Yves: A manifestation of God. Kronos: A Fallen manifestation of God, who claims to be a Balseraph. He arrived in Hell long since the Fall. Lilith: A 15-Force mortal. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:12:42 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> IN History ><Asmodeus was a Cherub of Judgement>> > >Dominic wasn't an Archangel yet. I wonder, did he (Dominic) come under Yves >then, or Uriel...or perhaps Lucifer? Or were large numbers of Word-Bound >ranked under only God in those days? Either way, Asmodeus was a Servitor of >Dominic, and therefore a Cherub of Dominic's Superior. Anyone know who Dominic's Superior was? Or, for that matter, the Superiors of the other AAs/DPs who became Superiors later and aren't already known? (Nybbas, Vapula, Haagenti, Laurence...) ><> > ><did the newer Archangels start as, before becoming Word-bound/Malakim/etc? >Were the other Demon Princes Archangels (if so, of what), angels (if so, of >who), or Hellborn (if so, who'd they work for?)>> Next question. Well, questions. ^_^ Is there anything in canon that describes the Fallen Archangels' Cathedrals, and has *anyone* written up any of the Fallen Word-bound as angels? (Canon or non-canon.) If so, can you send links to the information/writeups, or the text itself? ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the temple that is Ohtori, blasphemy is holy and sin is divine. 'Carnival de Dios' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:16:38 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> IN History From: "Kish" <> Oops. I just flipped through the GM's Guide, and it notes that Malphas was an Archangel before the Fall. It does not give his Word, nor does Malphas' expanded writeup in The Final Trumpet. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:49:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN History At 3:32 PM -0700 5/9/01, Kish wrote: >Lilith: A 15-Force mortal. Lilith's initial mortality is in question -- as are Adam and Eve's, actually. I'm not saying she is, or they are, or they aren't. But SJ did strike a comment about Adam being dead from FotM... One word, one little word... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:44:23 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> IN History >Next question. Well, questions. ^_^ Is there anything in canon that >describes the Fallen Archangels' Cathedrals, and has *anyone* written up >any of the Fallen Word-bound as angels? (Canon or non-canon.) If so, can >you send links to the information/writeups, or the text itself? > > ~S.D. Ryukage I wrote a description of Song's Cathedral and posted it to the list on November 2, 2000. I seem to remember that people have done some writeups of the unFallen Princes, but I don't know where they are. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:10:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> setting idea At 3:43 PM -0600 5/9/01, Ben Glickler wrote: >Can a Remnant character earn character points and raise his Will and >Perception? Generally yes, up to 3 levels spread between the two characteristics. (GM's option, but it's unlikely to be a problem.) > Can he eventually grow an extra Celestial force? Not without a Superior, canonically. Or a McGuffin. O:> (Or an Intervention, for that matter. If God has the whole Symphony to play with, who's to say It couldn't take one of the lost CelForces from the original being and restore it... It's a plot-point cool enough, right?) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:56:33 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> IN History >Next question. Well, questions. ^_^ Is there anything in canon that >describes the Fallen Archangels' Cathedrals, and has *anyone* written up >any of the Fallen Word-bound as angels? (Canon or non-canon.) If so, can >you send links to the information/writeups, or the text itself? > Heaven & Hell has information on the Cathedral of Light (Lucifer's old place). Superiors 2 gives information on the original tower of the Marches (which was both Blandine and Beleth's cathedral). - -Bevan - ------- "We've alway been under seige. The 'Real World' keep shoving us into cornors - -- so we've built some worlds of our own. Now whoever's controlling this... wants to take those worlds away. Well, I call that interplanetary war." -T. Campbell, "Fans: the Fandom Menace" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:11:12 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: IN> Quick question or two... I've got an artifact for a possible character of mine. (It's an epee - a type of sword usually used by fencers.) 1: What kind of skill would apply? (Small Weapons or Large Weapons?) 2: How much does it cost to make it Summonable? 3: Checking the Corporeal Artifact description in the core book, it says that the only bonus from corp artifacts is that you always know where it is. So is there a point to buying a corp artifact at lv. 2+? (...I *really* need more IN books. ^_^;; ) ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What right do you have to judge us? Lina Inverse's last words to Dyanna, the Arbitor, 'Dragons Rule' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:20:39 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Quick question or two... >3: Checking the Corporeal Artifact description in the core book, it says that the only bonus from corp artifacts is that you always know where it is. So is there a point to buying a corp artifact at lv. 2+? N/m, just found out the answer to this one. Finding the thing. ^_^;; Instead, can someone (private) e-mail me the stats on the Song of Blades? (all three versions) ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Only a cynic can create horror--for behind every masterpiece of the sort must reside a driving daemonic force that despises the human race and its illusions, and longs to pull them to pieces and mock them. H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:13:04 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> IN History At 7:49 PM -0400 5/9/01, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 3:32 PM -0700 5/9/01, Kish wrote: >>Lilith: A 15-Force mortal. > >Lilith's initial mortality is in question -- as are Adam and Eve's, actually. >I'm not saying she is, or they are, or they aren't. But SJ did strike a >comment about Adam being dead from FotM... One word, one little word... >O:> Why do I suddenly remember that story about Lucifer and the contract.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:29:36 -0400 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: Re: IN> setting idea > Another possibility could be something like the set up in the movie Angel > Heart. The characters are Outcasts or Renegades that shattered their Hearts > and had their memories erased to prevent knowing what they are. > I've experimented with the idea of having the characters not remember > that they are angels. Can't go into too many more details since one of the > players reads this list. Experimented with, my left big toe, you -did- it to us. Worked pretty well though. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:06:56 -0400 From: Kirt Dankmyer Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) (old message, I know, but...) >>Well, now you know why Tartarus only has decaf >>available in the coffee makers.[...] >> > > Moe... What's in _your_ coffee?? Kittens. I've seen 'em. -Loki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:15:58 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2215 > From: "Phillip" > Subject: Re: IN> Remnant Question > >> It simply says that Celestials and Ethereals can choose to >> engage in Celestial combat in the Marches. There's more >> detail about who is able to engage in such combat, though. >> > > I'd leave that ability to Celstials and Ethereals. I don't think humans > have the... (trying to fnid the right words here) fluidity of form necessary > to engage in Celestial combat, or to be attacked directly that way. All humans can be attacked in Celestial combat in the Marches, and Symphonically Aware humans (only) can attack in Celestial combat in the Marches (TM p.82). Dream-shades can be attacked in Celestial Combat (CPG p.83) Further, Dead Souls can also engage in Celestial combat (CPG p80); this includes Ghosts (CPG p.82); although CPG does state that only Saints can engage in Celestial combat (p21) this doesn't contradict as a Saints and Bodhisattvas(dead souls in Heaven) are fundamentally the same (CPG p.84). Proving once again, that REAL nerds memorise their role-playing books. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Not even close, I'm afraid ... except that I came up with the idea while vainly trying to turn a minor Japanese municipal holiday into a IN concept. If barely nodding at the original concept when creating something is good enough for Hollywood, then it's good enough for me. Moe Chip Balseraph Captain of Swank Demon of Ninjas Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 8 Agility: 8 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 7 Precision: 9 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 12 Perception: 8 Word-Forces: 6 Vessel: White Guy in Whiter Ninja Suit/4, Charisma +1 Skills: Acrobatics/1*, Climbing/1*, Dodge/1*, Emote/6, Fighting/5, Knowledge/6 (Philosophy: Pseudo-Eastern Gibberish), Large Weapon (nunchuks/1, staff/1*), Move Silently/1*, Ranged Weapons/1 (blowpipe), Savoir-Faire/6, Small Weapon/1 (sai), Tactics/1, Throwing/1 Songs: Charm (All/3), Light (Ethereal/3, Celestial/3), Might (Corporeal/3), Motion (Celestial/2) Shields (All/3) Attunements: Balseraph of the Media, Fifteen Minutes of Fame, Green Light, Soundtrack, Captain of Swank, Demon of Ninjas Demon of Ninjas: Chip gets to add his Celestial Forces to any above Skill marked with an asterisk. This results in showy, very inaccurate moves that shouldn't work - but do, somehow. Rites: Cause somebody to do something stupid in combat because they just saw you do it (usable twice per day). Role: "Chip Jones" (No longer A-List Hollywood martial arts action hero/4, Status/4) Servant: Mia Dontaku, "Personal Assistant" (Soldier of the Media/4) If you want to know what Nybbas really thinks of human cultures, well, contemplate Chip. Contemplate Chip's costume (a deliberate rip-off of Japanese stage license re the original ninja). Contemplate Chip's weapons (a deliberate mish-mash of various cultural weapons, chosen for their inherent coolness factor). Contemplate Chip's combat style (another mish-mash, chock full of ridiculously overdone moves and kicks). Contemplate Chip's regular speech patterns (although, to be fair, Balseraphs have been known to spout gibberish anyway). Do all of this, and know true evil. Well, Chip would like to be that vapidly badass, but he isn't there quite yet (he's getting there, though). Being Demon of Ninjas is fun: aside from everything else, he can make a Malakite grit his or her teeth at a distance of up to and including half a mile. He can also whack them about (in a flashy yet effective manner) once they come in screaming for his Heart, which is even better, especially when one's working for the Media. There's so much flash that opponents don't usually notice that there's actual substance backing it up until it's too late: Chip is good at fighting. It's just that, by any objective standard, he shouldn't be. Chip's Word isn't quite as powerful as it used to be - bad ninja movies are thankfully not a hot property right now - but he has his niche, and he's staying there. His current Role is starting to degrade in status and level, which merely means that he's working on getting a new one. When you're Word-bound, you're playing at a whole different level than the peons anyway. As long as people are willing to watch movies where the 'hero' (for no good reason) kills people with his or her bare hands, Chip will remain a player. Personality? Just what you'd expect from a Balseraph of the Media: Chip treats the truth as something that happens to other people, and he can make it stick. He considers it amazingly nice of him that he'll let other people ooh and ah over his magnificent coolness, and he'll inflict his philosophy of life (half dimly-remembered snatches of various Eastern philosophies, half parodies of same, all gibberish) at every opportunity or none. He also yells "HI...YAHH!" a lot. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:08:35 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) > Servant: Mia Dontaku, "Personal Assistant" (Soldier of > the Media/4) Not sure if you're going for a Japanese last name, but if so, drop the 'n'. That letter appears only at the end of words. > Personality? Just what you'd expect from a Balseraph > of the Media: Chip treats the truth as something that > happens to other people, and he can make it stick. He > considers it amazingly nice of him that he'll let > other people ooh and ah over his magnificent coolness, > and he'll inflict his philosophy of life (half > dimly-remembered snatches of various Eastern > philosophies, half parodies of same, all gibberish) at > every opportunity or none. > > He also yells "HI...YAHH!" a lot. Right now I'm thinking of Wasabi, the Pimp Ninja from _Sinfest_. Please kill me. ;) - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:17:04 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Replying to myself.... yeesh. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Bertish" > > Servant: Mia Dontaku, "Personal Assistant" (Soldier of > > the Media/4) > > Not sure if you're going for a Japanese last name, but if so, drop the 'n'. > That letter appears only at the end of words. Okay, yes, I was wrong. I looked at the calendar *after* I sent the mail, and there it is in glorious black and white. All I gotta say is, *I* never saw an 'n' in the middle of a name. The end, yes. Now that I think about it, I've seen it at the beginning. But I've never, repeat NEVER, seen it in the middle. Until now. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Hey, wow, it's on topic! :) Moe Forts Loreto & Guadalupe Tether (Wild) This Tether first appeared during France's campaign to install Maxmillian as Emperor of Mexico. The triggering even was a battle in 1862 where 4,500 Mexican troops defeated over 6,500 better-equipped French soldiers. The celestial locus of a wild Tether appeared briefly in Michael's portion of the Groves ... but just as abruptly winked out when France sent more troops to Mexico in response, thus reversing the importance of the victory. The Tether did not reappear even after Maxmillian's overthrow , so Michael shrugged and went on to other things. However, the anniversary of the battle (May 5, or Cinco De Mayo) became first a local, then a national holiday - and symbolic of freedom. When the holiday spread beyond Mexico, it became sufficiently associated with Freedom that a new Tether arose on the ashes of the new. However, this new Tether has not yet been stabilized, partially because its celestial focus is alternating between Lilith's Guildhall ... and Michael's section of the Groves. This is _highly_ unusual, which means that Superiors on both sides will be mildly interested in acquiring or studying this Tether themselves. Celestials from either side can discover this unusual turn of events at any time convenient to the campaign. Needless to say, both Michael and Lilith will turn to experienced corporeal agents (the PCs) to subtly nudge perceptions of the triggering event away from the wrong Word-interpretation: if either Superior can keep it in Heaven or Hell long enough, it can be properly stabilized and attuned to a Seneschal. This Tether is likely to remain fairly weak, no matter who gets it, so too-drastic measures are probably not called for. Still, the statement 'instrumental in snatching a Tether from the hands of the Enemy' always looks good in one's personnel file... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:59:33 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) From: "Maurice Lane" > > Forts Loreto & Guadalupe Tether (Wild) Nice work, Moe, although you are now responsible for planting the idea of the Alamo as a contested tether between Michael and Lilith in my head... ...with Goliad as a tether being contested between Michael and Saminga following close behind... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:46:10 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: IN> SoTF Errata Mea culpa. Teach me to post at three in the morning...sigh. Spyd is a Vassal of Purity, not a Friend as posted (originally, he was a Friend, but I didn't want to make too many new Distinctions up). In Ember's writeup, Michael and Baal are listed as band-brothers...that should be Choir-brothers. Sorry. Enjoy. :) :) Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:03:10 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: RE: IN> IN History Good post. Minor nitpick: Malphas: Fallen Kyriotate of unknown Superior and no Word, I believe. The GMG hints that he served Stone (he worked with David in breaking up tectonic plates). It also says that he was a Superior then -- but it gives no Word. :) :) Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:03:17 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: RE: IN> IN History Hey. >Anyone know who Dominic's Superior was? Or, for that matter, the Superiors of the other AAs/DPs >who became Superiors later and aren't already known? (Nybbas, Vapula, Haagenti, Laurence...) Nybbas was an Impudite of Vapula, no Distinctions, no Word. Vapula was a Habbalite of Fate, no Distinctions, no Word. Haagenti was a Calabite of Sloth, no Distinctions, no Word. Laurence was a Malakite of Uriel, probably Distincted (that's just conjecture, though) and he later earned the Word of the Sword. >Next question. Well, questions. ^_^ Is there anything in canon that describes the Fallen >Archangels' Cathedrals, and has *anyone* written up any of the Fallen Word-bound as angels? >(Canon or non-canon.) If so, can you send links to the information/writeups, or the text itself? In H&H and G:IN, IIRC, there is a sidebar that talks about the Cathedrals of the Fallen. Only Lucifer's is described in any detail, although there's also a bit about Uriel's and Raphael's Cathedrals. :) Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Amagalm Not quite what was originally intended, I think, but kind of interesting anyway. I think. :) Moe It would seem that Jean was a Collector. Nobody talks too much about Collectors, on either side of the War. The idea that some celestials would spend every free moment seeking out and securing Forces that belonged once to long-dead friends and loved ones, in the hopes that someday they could somehow bring them back... Well, it's disquieting, not least because obsession always lies just beneath the surface of any celestial, and they all know it. Somewhere in the head of every angel and demon in existence is a little voice that says "Yeah, that makes sense" whenever the subject of Collecting comes up. Few like to admit it. At any rate, Jean had apparently (very calmly, rationally and objectively) decided that the world had gone too long without Wisdom. Calmly, rationally, objectively - and worst of all, sanely - he spent centuries Collecting her Forces as they became available. The Archangel of Lightning declined to rip the desired Forces from angels and most humans, but should a demon end up with one, that demon was essentially living on borrowed time. There's also a story or two about Fated humans who qualified ... but those are just rumors, never proven and certainly never confirmed. However, one of the things about Elohite Collectors is that they know when they've reached the point of diminishing returns. Jean reached his about two decades or so ago: every Force that he was going to get, he had gotten. He then retired to the Halls of Progress to see if he could do something satisfactory with what he had. He couldn't. Certainly, he had enough Forces to create a stable celestial, but Jean creates those every day. What he was aiming for was a celestial of Archangel-level power, and that was simply impossible. Too much of the framework had been disrupted, and could not be salvaged. Rigorous research indicated that possibly, just possibly, the use of the framework of an existing Superior could be used, at the expense of the original personality, but that would result in the irrevocable loss of the donor. Not even Jean could work out a way to personally surgically replace his personal Forces with Raphael's, and certainly no other Archangel could be trusted to do the job for him. The only possible surgeon was Eli, and while Jean respects the Archangel of Creation's craftsmanship, this was a very specialized procedure (assuming that Eli would even agree). Jean was certain that he was the only one of both sides that could hope to accomplish this task properly. Ironic, actually: Jean had the tools, the skill and even all the necessary parts, but no way to combine the three. If only there was someone of the right power level that, objectively speaking, would be no real loss... At this point, Jean blinked (for him, the equivalent of screaming "Eureka!" at the top of his lungs), tidied up the work area and walked into his physics laboratory. At least one avatar of him stayed there at all times for the next five corporeal years. ... The missive made its way (however such things go) to the proper entity, without any snooping eyes to ferret out its message of defiance and mockery. It was designed to enflame, to ridicule, to lash out at the pride of its recipient - and it succeeded. Never very stable to begin with, the recipient was willing to finally 'settle it all'. The locale for this settlement was an added bonus: accessing their shared Word there would demonstrate who was the proper holder, once and for all. Of course, the recipient planned to cheat: Servitors were seeded throughout the vicinity of the chosen arena, ready to help destroy the hated source of Word-Friction. However, while the dark side of the moon is not conducive to the expression of Fire, it is just fine when you're a Servitor of Lightning. The ambushers were ambushed, instead, leaving their Superior to face Jean alone (instead of the hated enemy). This betrayal was infuriating, but Jean was never known to be skilled in personal combat: in fact, he chose this point to pull a gun. An actual gun, against the true embodiment of Fire: Jean's enemy didn't even bother to block as the Archangel of Lightning pulled the trigger... If Jean was the sort to admit the existence of subjective emotions, he would probably concede that the look on Belial's face as the quantum black hole impacted his torso was entertaining, in its own way. Not as much as empirical proof of the theory that direct interaction with a singularity could cause celestial damage was, of course. It was satisfying to see that five years of Research and Design had not been wasted, after all. The shockwave as the quantum black hole self-destructed (even Jean can't make impossible things last) was even more impressive ... but that's why Jean picked the back of the moon in the first place. Once Belial was on the ground, _then_ Jean called for Gabriel. Things got messy after that. It was all Jean could do to keep Gabriel from ripping the drastically weakened Belial apart, instead of just turning him into a Superior-level Remnant. Jean actually had to raise his voice ... and tell Gabriel that he could bring back Raphael, as long as he had Belial's husk. Luckily, the presence of Soldekai at this point managed to keep Gabriel stable long enough for her to desist and break off her worrying of the broken Prince. Working swiftly (because every celestial on Earth heard the blast, and was still trying to figure out where the *Hell* it had come from) the Archangel of Lightning prepared the Remnant for transportation to Heaven. Jean declines to discuss how he managed to do this - it was experimental, apparently, and later judged not economical enough to duplicate on a regular basis - but he ended up with the empty, 'living' framework he needed - and the Forces of Wisdom that he had painstakingly Collected close to hand. Did he succeed? Depends on the Brightness. In a Bright campaign, he was completely successful. The Elohite Archangel of Wisdom is now reestablished in Heaven, and the Host is currently looking into the potential applications for non-Superiors. Raphael has none of Belial's Forces (they were purged and replaced as soon as the transplanted personality was stable), and Gabriel is quite sane. Hell, of course, has taken a severe blow to its prestige and power. In a Dark campaign? Well, Raphael came back - and promptly Fell, becoming a minor Princess. Lucifer decided that Infernal Fire had been a failure, so instead Belael is now the Calabite Princess of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know. Gabriel is infuriated that Jean dared to interfere with the proper destruction of Belial, and the rest of the Host is beginning to become nervous at the sight of Jean's openly despondent behavior. And Vapula is pressing ahead with his own quantum black hole research (well, he'll be doing that in all three outcomes, but this is one where he might actually succeed). In between, well, Raphael did not Fall, but she was not what she was. Whether Archangel or mere Ofanite, she has to deal with on her own the destructive impulses that came with her new 'body'. She is somewhere between Wisdom and Fire, and Gabriel (while much saner) will not be completely without pain until the situation is resolved. The Council is concerned, and has not yet given Raplial her old Word back (or any other). Jean, however, has not shown any reaction to the controversy: his stated position is, objectively speaking, that one Prince removed, plus one Archangel brought back to sanity, plus another potential Archangel returned from the dead equals an improvement in the War. His actions were perfectly logical. Even if there are Fires in his eyes now. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2216 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.