From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu May 10 14:30:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04896 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 14:30:20 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id OAA11906 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 14:39:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:39:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200105101939.OAA11906@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2217 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2217 In this digest: Re: IN> Amagalm IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2216 IN> New Discord: Spartacus (the other one) Re: IN> IN History Re: IN> IN History IN> Re:IN history Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Amagalm Re: IN> New Discord: Spartacus (the other one) RE: IN> Amagalm Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) IN> Apocamon RE: IN> Amagalm Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) IN> Upcoming At the Movies With Dominic... (Fluffy) Re: IN> Amalgam Re: IN> Re:IN history Re: IN> Apocamon IN> Attunements and Artifacts Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) RE: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Apocamon Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Player Characters: They're not just for breakfast any more Re: IN> Attunements and Artifacts Re: IN> setting idea Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Apocamon Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Re:IN history Re: IN> Iron Rev questions Re: IN> Quick question or two... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:19:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Amagalm On Wed, 9 May 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > Not quite what was originally intended, I think, but > kind of interesting anyway. Whoa. That's about all I can say. Even said it out loud. Whoa. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Ninety-nine percent of life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck." -- Mike Muir ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:55:53 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2216 > It would seem that Jean was a Collector. Eep. I think that sums it up. Of course, if Jean want to mass produce the effect, AND Gabriels' willing to help - a Celestial can be defined as 'that so-and-so who just made our ears ring with the disturbance from [insert insane PC action here], as celestials create disturbance but remnants do not. So finding the missing Forces (and more importantly, the IMPORTANT missing Forces) follow the last disturbance they made. Which is a problem if that disturbance has died out. However, disturbances 'stack' - so when Gabriel blows her trumpet, a sufficiently perceptive AA/Song/McGuffin (perhaps built into the Trumpet by Eli & Jean) should be able to find every Force for every missing remnant. And Gabriel blowing the final trumpet IS supposed to raise the dead... James. [with shocked looks at my father, who suggested incorporating a snooze alarm into the trumpet, for those people who were looking forward to a long final rest] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:51:24 -0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: IN> New Discord: Spartacus (the other one) thanks Cass. now look what you made me do. Kobal is aware of the Discord:Mea Culpa (or Discord:Spartacus as it's frequently called by the more hip young celestials) he thought it would be extremely amusing to create a parody discord, and call it by the same name. Discord:Spartacus (ethereal) this discord is a delusion that the celestial is in fact, Spartacus. primarily, the celestial must make a will roll minus twice the discords level when asked their name or state "I'm Spartacus". they must make the same roll if someone in their presence also states "I'm Spartacus". at higher levels, the celestial will begin to act like spartacus supposedly did, inciting rebellion against whatever perceived tyranny they suffer under. the first recorded use of this discord was during a comedy sketch in Shal Mari. kobal was watching, and got bored. he temporarily inflicted the entire audience (some 60 demons) with this discord at various levels. the results were horrific. Kobal then went about the rest of his day's work with a daft grin on his face. this discord would appear to be contagious. anyone who aquires a level of discord while in the presence of a sufferer of Discord:Spartacus will aquire this one. a few incidences of this discord have occured amongst angels, but Jean has had them all quarantined in good time, and cured. - -Fallen(No, I'm Spartacus!)Seraph "I still believe in God, but He no longer believes in me..." http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> IN History - --- Kish wrote: > Michael: Seraph of uncertain status. He was always the > Firstborn (after > Yves), and Lucifer calls him "War" during the Fall (in > Superiors 1), but > he's noted as having earned his position when he cast > down Lucifer. Perhaps > he was merely the Angel of War before the Fall, though it > seems horribly > counterintuitive for the Firstborn to have become an > Archangel after so many younger angels did. > Baal: Fallen Seraph Archangel of Valor (his expanded > writeup notes that > Michael was an Archangel before the Fall. Geh. Anyone > got an explanation for this?) Considering that Yves was created first yet Michael is referred to as Firstborn, perhaps Firstborn is a reference to Michael being the first angel raised to AA status. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 05:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> IN History - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > >Next question. Well, questions. ^_^ Is there anything in > canon that > >describes the Fallen Archangels' Cathedrals, and has > *anyone* written up > >any of the Fallen Word-bound as angels? (Canon or > non-canon.) If so, can > >you send links to the information/writeups, or the text > itself? I have a write-up of Lucifer's Choir and Servitor Attunements, but it's not finished yet. Considering the rich background given for the Lightbringer in canon, I wouldn't presume to touch the history, though (far be it from me to support Moe's Word };>). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:58:17 -0500 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: IN> Re:IN history To add... Andrealphus: Mercurian of ???, the Angel of Love (gained Archangelhood when Beleth and Blandine fell in love) Haagenti: Hellborn *Gremlin* of Sloth (the distinction is important) Magog: Kyriotate (I think) of Stone, the Angel of Fortitude Meserach: Cherub of the Wind Vephar: Ofanite of the Waters, the Angel of Sailors Mariel: Cherub (I think) of Knowledge, the Angel of Memory Christopher: Cherub of Stone, the Angel of Children (gained Archangelhood _long_ after the Fall) Furfur: Hellborn Calabite of Fire, the Demon of Hardcore (gained Princehood about five years ago) Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that Saminga used to serve Jordi? Or was that NC? >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:32:45 -0700 >From: "Kish" >Subject: Re: IN> IN History >Baal: Fallen Seraph Archangel of Valor (his expanded writeup notes that >Michael was an Archangel before the Fall. Geh. Anyone got an explanation >for this?) Yep, Michael was a Archangel, and so was Baal. Though of course, Michael was Baals superior (small "s") due to being the Firstborn, and having a Word which could be said to include Baals. _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) - --- Prodigal wrote: > Nice work, Moe, although you are now responsible for > planting the idea of > the Alamo as a contested tether between Michael and > Lilith in my head... Nope. The Alamo is a Tether to Stone. Solidarity unto death and all that. The other Tether we have in San Antone is the Alamodome - -- but considering what they went through to build it (massive lobbying, dumping of contaminated dirt, huge cost overruns, then the Spurs won one short-season championship and insisted that they needed a bigger place), that one's got to be Kobal's. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:11:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Amagalm Scary stuff. But wasn't Raphael's Word Knowledge? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Discord: Spartacus (the other one) - --- Fallen Seraph wrote: > the first recorded use of this discord was during a > comedy sketch in Shal > Mari. kobal was watching, and got bored. he temporarily > inflicted the entire > audience (some 60 demons) with this discord at various > levels. the results > were horrific. Kobal then went about the rest of his > day's work with a daft grin on his face. That sounds so much like something Kobal would do, it's frightening. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:05:05 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: RE: IN> Amagalm Lovely, Moe, lovely... Minor nitpick, though...Raphael was Archangel of Knowledge ;) The Angel of Wisdom is one of Yves's Malakim, IIRC. :) :) Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:45:02 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) > Nope. The Alamo is a Tether to Stone. Solidarity unto >death and all that. Naaah. The Alamo symbolizes fighting to the very bitter end, never giving up, and dying on your feet rather than living on your knees. Michael's domain, beyond a doubt. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:27:26 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: IN> Apocamon http://e-sheep.com/apocamon/ Enough said. Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Amagalm - --- Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > Lovely, Moe, lovely... > > Minor nitpick, though...Raphael was Archangel of > Knowledge ;) The Angel of > Wisdom is one of Yves's Malakim, IIRC. :) Tarshish, to be precise. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:59:39 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) >From: "Charles Glasgow" > >Naaah. The Alamo symbolizes fighting to the very bitter end, never giving >up, and dying on your feet rather than living on your knees. Michael's >domain, beyond a doubt. http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Angels/Malakite.Zuriel.html 'Nuff said. - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:15:30 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) From: "Charles Glasgow" > > Naaah. The Alamo symbolizes fighting to the very bitter end, never giving > up, and dying on your feet rather than living on your knees. Michael's > domain, beyond a doubt. And the cause they were fighting for is why Lilith would be the one from Hell in the best position to contest him for it, I thought. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Upcoming At the Movies With Dominic... (Fluffy) As many of my fellow Americans could tell you, *A Knight's Tale* is pretty much hitting the theaters right about now. The canonical Guest Host is pretty obvious for this one, too.* Now, there's no rules about 'first come, first served' anyway, but I would suggest that there be _really_ no such 'rule' about this movie. I see an angle, I'm hoping that the film will be good enough to support it but I personally don't want to call dibbs.** Besides, mine might be at a bit of a tangent to the norm, anyway. Moe *Pause here for the inevitable off-the-wall-but-it-makes-a-weird-kind-of-sense response from the peanut gallery. Yes, I meant Laurence. :) **I know that this sort of thing is a case of blatant anthropomorphizing, but trying to filter everything through a Word is kind of useful, even when it's being done in a humorous manner. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:08:58 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Re:IN history Actually, acording to Superiors 2, Haagenti was a gremlin of Fire originally >From: "Cthulhu" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Re:IN history >Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:58:17 -0500 >Haagenti: Hellborn *Gremlin* of Sloth (the distinction is important) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:11:22 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Apocamon Heh. I wrote a review on that website for the newsletter webcomics world. It actually concentrated on the Jain's Death (a very mystical story, excellent read), but I did mention Apocamon in passing. A very weird and funny comic. >From: Ryan Elias >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Apocamon >Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:27:26 -0700 > >http://e-sheep.com/apocamon/ > >Enough said. > >Cheers, > Ryan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:17:38 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Attunements and Artifacts I'm in the process of trying to 'canonize' some of my ideas (ie - make it so that it at least kinda fits with the mechanics) and I've come onto one thing I can't figure out. I've got several artifacts written up that are different in that they have choir/band attunements locked into them, and a few that have servitor attunements. Questions are - 1. Is there a canonical rule for this, and if so, where? 2. If not, what would you suggest point costs be for such attunements? Thanks in advance, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:28:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:17:04 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Replying to myself.... yeesh. - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Bertish" >>> Servant: Mia Dontaku, "Personal Assistant" >>>(Soldier of the Media/4) >> >> Not sure if you're going for a Japanese last name, >> but if so, drop the'n'. >> That letter appears only at the end of words. >Okay, yes, I was wrong. I looked at the calendar >*after* I sent the mail, and there it is in glorious >black and white. > >All I gotta say is, *I* never saw an 'n' in the >middle of a name. The end, yes. Now that I think >about it, I've seen it at the beginning. But I've >never, repeat NEVER, seen it in the middle. > >Until now. That's because it isn't really a name. Thanks to my handy-dandy Yahoo! interface, the entry refers to a municipal Japanese holiday that is probably really fun to attend, but simply didn't spark any ideas. Using Donkatu for Servant-Gyrl was merely a cheesy attempt to justify the writeup as a legitimate entry for the day by referring to the holiday in passing, in flagrant disregard for actual Japanese culture and/or rules of nomenclature. IOW, it's perfectly in character for the Media. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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(pause) Since when do I justify anything? :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:59:33 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) From: "Maurice Lane" >> >> Forts Loreto & Guadalupe Tether (Wild) >Nice work, Moe, although you are now responsible for >planting the idea of the Alamo as a contested tether >between Michael and Lilith in my head... Hmmm. Now that I think of it, something like that might happen a good deal: Just War and Freedom are often - well, not exactly linked: more like in the same neighborhood - so there's probably a little poaching going on from both sides. A lot of Warriors and Lilim glaring at each other at potential Tether-sites too, I suppose, with both sides trying to be careful not to disrupt anything (thereby making ultraviolence a less attractive option). Good fodder for an adventure or two. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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He's the "red ranger" character in the Megaranger team. ^_^ "N" is the one character that doesn't follow the rules in Japanese writing. It *doesn't* have to have a vowel after it. It's also weird in other ways - depending on what consonant follows it, it's sometimes pronounced like an "m" (like in the word "sempai" - it's actually written "senpai"). Topher (who watches too much raw Japanese tokusatsu and anime for his own good) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Apocamon - --- Ryan Elias wrote: > http://e-sheep.com/apocamon/ [shudder] I hope this is a joke, I really do. If it's not, we owe Jack Chick an apology. Dang Kobalites. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > I have _some_ scruples (well, > one scruple, and it's getting kind of lonely all by > itself). Hah! That'll be the day. You have no scruples, Moe. Only word-count limits. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Hmmm. Now that I think of it, something like that > might happen a good deal: Just War and Freedom are > often - well, not exactly linked: more like in the > same neighborhood - so there's probably a little > poaching going on from both sides. War and Freedom don't go together nearly as often as War and Greed or War and Factions, IMHO. For those who conteste the first, I have two words: war profiteering. For those who take issue with the second, I have two more words: ethnic cleansing. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:49:16 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Player Characters: They're not just for breakfast any more Matthew Gerber wrote: <> In In Nomine, I think this depends on the situation. If the group is on the wrong end of an investigation (by Judgement or the Game), then things should feel adversarial. Other times, there should be no need for an adversarial atomsphere at all. However, I think it comes down more to the GM's style. I have been in some games where the GM thought that he was playing against the PCs. I have been in games where the GM works with the players. IMO, the latter is better. In my experience, the former is more likely to have a strict adventure plan, and player deviation from that is regarded as a Bad Thing. As written, I think that the St. Athanasius seed is poorly done. If I were to insert something like that in one of my games, the order would be window dressing for other events. Members of the order happen to be around during one or several unrelated conflicts, and the PCs may get suspicious on their own. Then, it would be perfectly fair for it to just be a red herring. Of course, this is for a game where the GM sets out a general outline of what's going to happen during a period of time where the players will probably only follow up or investigate what they feel is interesting. Sam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Attunements and Artifacts - --- Michael Cleveland wrote: > I've got several artifacts written up that are different > in that they have > choir/band attunements locked into them, and a few that > have servitor > attunements. Questions are - > > 1. Is there a canonical rule for this, and if so, where? Liber Reliquarum has the info you need. However, I wouldn't allow artifacts with Choir/Band Attunements except maybe as McGuffins. Too much munchkin potential for my taste. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:51:54 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: Re: IN> setting idea >greetings all, Welcome to the list. >I let the players start as non-celestials => but they are celestials, > >altough they don't know it >Q: is this possible, if so what kind of reason should I use to tell my > >players that they are non-celestials In canon, probably not. If you wanted to be cruel, though... you could have a scenario where all of them had witnessed a particularly bad thing that their Superior (or another one that managed to capture them) did not want getting out. Said Superior strips them of their ethereal forces, and then replaces them with other ones. They'll have no reason to believe that they're anything but ordinary guys who just have certain quirks about their personalities (doesn't like lying , is real protective of his friends , is the life of the party ). Then have one of them do something that would violate their dissonance conditions. Watch as one of them tells a casual lie and then falls to the floor in agony. Or have the calabite of the group get angry and scream at someone, and have glass break behind them (unconscious use of resonances/attunements) Alternately, you can have the mindwipe not be perfect, and when they go to sleep (angels and demons don't have to, but hey, they think they're humans, so go along with it) they keep having horrible nightmares about being in the middle of this flat plain full of mirrored bubbles, and they occasionally see these _things_ that either come up and talk to them or chase after them trying to kill them. And everytime they look down at themselves, they see something strange... and then feel a burst of pain and wake up screaming (mental conditioning) Once they realize that, have them start going slightly nuts - seeing things that others don't (except for other party members) hearing things (disturbance) and thinking that people are after them. Slowly but surely, the memories of being a celestial come creeping back in. And so do memories of... something else... Have fun. >=) Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:47:25 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> May 4, 2001 (ML) Maurice Lane wrote: > Replying to myself.... yeesh. > >>> Servant: Mia Dontaku, "Personal Assistant" > >>>(Soldier of the Media/4) > >> > >> Not sure if you're going for a Japanese last name, > >> but if so, drop the'n'. > >> That letter appears only at the end of words. > > >Okay, yes, I was wrong. I looked at the calendar > >*after* I sent the mail, and there it is in glorious > >black and white. > > > >All I gotta say is, *I* never saw an 'n' in the > >middle of a name. The end, yes. Now that I think > >about it, I've seen it at the beginning. But I've > >never, repeat NEVER, seen it in the middle. > > > >Until now. > > That's because it isn't really a name. Thanks to my > handy-dandy Yahoo! interface, the entry refers to a > municipal Japanese holiday that is probably really fun > to attend, but simply didn't spark any ideas. Using > Donkatu for Servant-Gyrl was merely a cheesy attempt > to justify the writeup as a legitimate entry for the > day by referring to the holiday in passing, in > flagrant disregard for actual Japanese culture and/or > rules of nomenclature. Well, if I can invoke one of Beth's rites, and nitpick a bit. You can get the individual 'n' sound in the middle of a name; it's just that Japanese names generally use the native ('kun') reading of a character, which rarely involves the sound 'n' (as a single consonant, rather than paired with a vowel, which is a different letter entirely). It does happen, though (usually following the 'ka' sound, and not even all that often then) Also, names can use the Chinese reading ('on'), instead of the kun, which uses the 'n' sound a lot more often (Shinji is an example of this, I believe). The things I'll do for Essence ^_^ Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:00:53 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) From: "Michael Walton" > > For those who take issue with the second, I have two more > words: ethnic cleansing. Which is where Saminga starts contesting Malphas. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:00:53 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) From: "Michael Walton" > > For those who take issue with the second, I have two more > words: ethnic cleansing. Which is where Saminga starts contesting Malphas. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:02:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Apocamon Geez, this guy's done his research. He even got the color of Death's horse right, which at least means he's been peeking into an interlinear New Testament. Either that, or all this background was drummed into him by very zealous parents and religious instructors, and he's retaliating. Yes, that seems kind of likely... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:06:10 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) At 10:37 AM -0700 5/10/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > >Hmmm. Now that I think of it, something like that >might happen a good deal: Just War and Freedom are >often - well, not exactly linked: more like in the >same neighborhood - so there's probably a little >poaching going on from both sides. A lot of Warriors >and Lilim glaring at each other at potential >Tether-sites too, I suppose, with both sides trying to >be careful not to disrupt anything (thereby making >ultraviolence a less attractive option). Good fodder >for an adventure or two. "Oh... so *you* want to make the Alamo a Tether to War instead of Freedom? Well, we can withdraw, peacefully enough. Of course... you'll owe us a favor...." Of course, you can always add Baal into the mix. It's such a thin line between heroism in holding a hopeless cause, and the single-minded stupidity of pursuing the War even after it's clearly hopeless and your devotion will only kill off forces that could later be used in other theaters.... (Not that I'm claiming that for the Alamo -- I'm speaking in general, here.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> May 5, 2001 (ML) - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 10:37 AM -0700 5/10/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > > > > "Oh... so *you* want to make the Alamo a Tether to > War instead of > Freedom? Well, we can withdraw, peacefully enough. > Of course... > you'll owe us a favor...." Aside from the usual "Fine. We'll give you five minutes to run", you mean? :) Seriously, I could actually see this sort of thing happening on a fairly regular basis: Michael's incredibly sneaky for somebody who can't lie, and always has his eyes on results, so it might not even be clear who gets the better of the deal. After all, there's nothing more deniable in inter-Princely turf wars than a raiding party from the Host - and it's a good deal for both sides. Michael gets to kill some demons and make their Prince gnash his/her teeth: Lilith keeps her position just that bit more secure. Just keep Dominic/Asmodeus out of the picture. Best of all, unless you've got a Queen Lilith campaign running, shoring up Lilith's status is probably _not_ going to improve Hell's chances of winning the War. It might keep the status quo going a bit longer (which would be a good reason why Mike /wouldn't/ make deals like this), but it won't be unbalancing. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I could see the more warlike Princes contesting Greed or Factions for a tether, but if a tether's gonna attune to Mikey's version of the Word, it's likely to be Freedom. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:09:28 From: "Kish Moore" Subject: Re: IN> Re:IN history <> Not in my copy, he wasn't. He was a gremlin of Sloth, and then he went over to Sheol. I believe (note qualifier--I don't have access to my books here) he was a gremlin of Fire at the time he fledged into a Calabite, and he definitely spent much of his career as a Calabite of Fire, but originally he was a gremlin of Sloth. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev questions Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 03:04:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev questions >Part of me wants to say "As soon as possible!!!" just >because it was so fun. :) But I think a once-a-month >thing would even be fun. Every month sounds about right - presuming Jo has the space available. :) Moe PS Getting a different person each time to propose the ingredients could result in some ... interesting ... entrants. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:50:28 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Quick question or two... At 8:11 PM -0400 5/9/01, S.D. wrote: >I've got an artifact for a possible character of mine. (It's an epee - a type of sword usually used by fencers.) > >1: What kind of skill would apply? (Small Weapons or Large Weapons?) Small Weapon, in my game. Precision is more important in epee than Strength. GM's option, of course. >2: How much does it cost to make it Summonable? 7 points per level of corporeal artifact it is. I took the Obviously A Relic Feature for -2, and a level 1 artifact, and got a 5 point addition for my character. >3: Checking the Corporeal Artifact description in the core book, it says that the only bonus from corp artifacts is that you always know where it is. So is there a point to buying a corp artifact at lv. 2+? In Liber Reliquarum, they also cancel out some disturbance in a Role-like way. I'd need to check the book which isn't feasible right now... O:P >(...I *really* need more IN books. ^_^;; ) Definitely. Just because. O;> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2217 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.