From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon May 14 15:49:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11777 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:49:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA24878 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:46:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:46:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200105142046.PAA24878@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2223 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, May 14 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2223 In this digest: Re: IN> "All your soul are belong to us!" IN> Habbalitic Logic Re: IN> Swords & Musashi Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence IN> Re: The Word of The Sword Re: IN> Iron Rev:: The Wrap Yet another comics metaphor (was Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence) Re: IN> Iron Rev:: The Wrap Re: IN> Weird , noncanonical and bright, Bright, BRIGHT Swordy Thought. Re: IN> "All your soul are belong to us!" Re: IN> May 7, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Swords & Musashi Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence Re: IN> Potatoes! Re: IN> Vroom. Re: IN> An odd thought... (Now odder) Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence Re: IN> May 6, 2001 (ML) Inside Haagenti, was IN> Potatoes! Re: IN> An odd thought... (Now odder) Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence Re: IN> Iron Rev:: The Wrap IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2222 Re: IN> Swords & Musashi Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence IN> Light Attunements ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:31:06 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> "All your soul are belong to us!" >From: Mike Bruner >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> "All your soul are belong to us!" >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:21:28 -0400 > >Here's something that's been bouncing around in my head for a little while >now; hopefully I've got all the kinks out of the write-up... > >Glitzblkna ("Bob Smith") >Balseraph Baron of Inner Torment >Demon of Bad Translations > *g* So is he responsible for those biblical translations that claim that Mary was a virgin? :) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:41:12 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Habbalitic Logic Question - How do you determine the likelihood of a test subject being acceptable? Answer - Answer is multi-part - Step 01 - Select subject from available candidates. Step 02 - Use Resonance to incite unethical behavior - 02a - If Resonance succeeds, subject has failed. Return to Step 01 02b - If Resonance fails, proceed to Step 03 Step 03 - Offer subject opportunity for pleasure at expense of others - 03a - If subject accepts, subject is selfish. Failed. Return to Step 01 03b - If subject refuses, subject is selfless. Pass. Proceed to Step 04 Step 04 - Enter dreamscape. Levitate. Insert meathooks into chest. Release subject - 04a - If scream = >50 decibels, subject is weak. Failed. Return to Step 01 04b - If scream = <50 decibels, subject is strong. Pass. Proceed to Step 05 Step 05 - Kill person emotionally close to subject - 05a - If person shows sorrow, lacks faith in God's plan. Failed. Return to Step 01 05b - If person accepts God's Will, subject has proper Faith. Subject Acceptable Special Skill / Attunement Habbalitic Logic - (Defaults to Perception -4) This skill is particularly hard to learn - it requires 5 character points to learn the initial level, reflected the extreme difficulty and severe mind-bending required to understand a Punisher's sense of logic. Additional levels advance at the standard rate. This skill, although quite expensive, is of great use in understanding the twisted prophesies and tilted logic that make up the Habbalite mindset. It also gives an additional bonus of 1/2 its level, rounded up, to the use of any Technological item, due to a better understanding of the testing processes that the items go through. Understandably, most Archangels are somewhat leery of the concept of any of their Servitors learning how to think like a Punisher - particularly if said Servitor is an Elohite. The one advantage that allows most Servitors to not have the knowledge stripped from their minds is this - anyone who holds this skill has a chance of understanding the Punisher's delusions and therefore has a higher likelihood of being able to poke holes in their logic. This can, in turn, give a somewhat better chance of having the Habbalite Redeem. Ironically, those Elohim who are in possession of this skill when they fall lose this skill, as it becomes supplanted by the knowledge of The Correct Way Of Things. On the up side for the newly fallen, those who had high levels of this skill are often put on the fast track for promotion to Knighthood, and those who join the Archangel of Technology almost always gain the Balseraph of Technology Attunement, if not a Knighthood outright. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 02:18:46 -0500 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Swords & Musashi >>>Well, what about bokken? Made out of wood, used for training >>>purposes, but Miyamoto Musashi apparently swore by them as >>>superior to katanas... >> >>I always reckoned he claimed Bokken were superior to avoid hurting >>people's feelings too much. > >Given that Kendo has gone over from Bokken to Shinai because of the >fatalities caused by training with Bokken, I suspect he wasn't >joking about the Bokken being deadlier! I was under the impression that Musashi used bokken because he felt that he was so good, attacking an opponent with an actual sword was dishonorable. With a bokken, it is feasible to merely disable rather than kill an opponent, although killing is still quite possible. A bokken amounts to a dense, well-balance hardwood club more than capable of staving in your head or chest in a single blow. - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 03:33:08 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence At 5:53 PM -0700 5/13/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >Michael is a warrior ... and Laurence is a >soldier, which is why Larry runs the War and Mike is >just essentially wasting Baal's time until >Armageddon. Hmmm... this is worth elaborating. Michael is ultimately the spirit of defiance -- of righteousness smashing evil, of the destruction of that which is dark. Which doesn't seem to require militarism, and in fact might fight *against* it. (The mechanism of an army where every person in the ranks is just a cog that is itself a part of the military effort of some overseer, without free will, is more a hallmark of *The* War than War.) Put another way, there's more of War (as defined by the Archangel) in the activist who risks everything for principle than in the riot squad that puts him down. Laurence, on the other hand, *is* oriented to the group -- now. It's a sticking point between Michael (who feels he should be out killing Demons individually rather than acting like a chessman) and Laurence (who's trying to be worthy of his title). So, we have the "no disobeying of orders" Dissonance and the Master's distinction. And yet, the *Word* of the Sword embraces honor more than anything. (Though it's worth noting also that the Sword is even today the symbol of military command.) Hm. It's an interesting field to consider. (So... Laurence is Superman and Michael is Batman... except that makes Michael's archenemy Kobal and Laurence's Vapula... wait, this metaphor's breaking down. I need sleep.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:55:36 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence >(So... Laurence is Superman and Michael is Batman... except that >makes Michael's archenemy Kobal and Laurence's Vapula... wait, this >metaphor's breaking down. I need sleep.) (This is a problem you can get if you turn the brightness up too high. Remember, for a hero to be heroic, the villains have to be actually dangerous ...) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:20:43 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: The Word of The Sword >>SO it's not really a good idea; the Word of The Sword >>doesn't fit. > > Depends on campaign. :) Well, given that the Word is being fed by humans, ALL of our views should be having an effect :-) > >>If it had been one of Michaels' abilities...oh well. > > Nope. Michael has real problems with playing with > others: he'd go kill all the attacking Calabim, and > the people he's protecting will just cower in a > corner. Nice for Michael, bad for encouraging others > to fight the Forces of Evil on their own - and bad for > the War. Michael is a warrior ... Micheal on Humans: "Part of my task is to inspire them to reach for the heights. And defend them when they try." Bear in mind that Michael WAS commander of the Armies of God for over 21,000 years. And no one seems to go on about how much better Laurence is! > and Laurence is a > soldier, which is why Larry runs the War and Mike is > just essentially wasting Baal's time until > Armageddon.* Laurence as a soldier - yes. The Sword... Swords were the first dedicated weapons. Before them, every other weapon was either a tool or hunting implement which doubled as a weapon. This fits. To Michael, the Rebellion is only a blink in his 10 Billion year existence (give or take several eons). He uses an axe, a tool, because primarily he is God's servant, and this weeks task is trashing Hell. Laurence was made for the War, and cannot imagine life without it. His whole being is focused on winning the War; he is a professional. All this is fine. Further, because Swords were the weapons of the professionals, they became symbols of the nobility (THE professional warriors - for a time) and from that the symbol of Justice, as the nobles were the judges. Again, important parts of Laurence's Word. Now how much of this is the stunt reinforcing? Turning toys into weapons - no, swords are dedicated weapons. Sending amateurs into battle - hardly professional, although LEADING them would be Noble. [Bear in mind that when the humans miss, which on an average human with strength of 4 and no sword training, is all the time, they're swinging a weapon which can quite easily kill anyone around them ie each other. Or themselves]. Defeating and humiliating the demons - THAT is something that will depend on campaign. Hurting Hell, in any fashion, should be good for The Sword. Humiliating an opponent? Depends on campaign flavour. So it's no it really reinforcing the word of The Sword much. Surely the fact that it is more than it's hurting is enough? I doubt it. Think of how much effort it would take to turn a plastic toy into a weapon that's doing more damage than a fully automatic assault rifle. The benefit to the Sword needs to match that. Mind you, Laurence might well LIKE the idea. That doesn't make it cost effective. Kobal can afford to lose Word-Forces for a joke, but no one else can! Also, unless the toys and humans are 'the Finest Weapons Available' Laurence is going to get tons of dissonance - he'd be violating his 6th and 7th oaths with each human and sword. Hmm, this means he won't even like the idea in theory. (Oh final point - Blade Blessing can only be placed on an edged weapon. If you can't place the attunement on a toy sword, is the full relic version going to stick?) Sorry to shoot down the concept. It is amusing, and strange things are going to happen in the In Nomine world - given the weirdness that happens real world, it'd be a shock if they didn't. But I can't see this one working. James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:42:15 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:: The Wrap >So, do you know what the reward is for good work? > >That's right, more work. You've given us James and >Sherlock: why go back to that historical era and take >a stab at, oh, I don't know ... > >... Jack? Yich. No, thank you. Anyway, as you know better than most, I have an angel/Tether/setting sitting on the back burner, and for some reason, I'm beginning to feel a trickle of inspiration ... Janet _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:57:16 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Yet another comics metaphor (was Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: "Maurice Lane" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:33 AM Subject: Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence [snip] > (So... Laurence is Superman and Michael is Batman... except that > makes Michael's archenemy Kobal and Laurence's Vapula... wait, this > metaphor's breaking down. I need sleep.) Not quite. You forget that the current incarnation of Luthor isn't so much a whacked-out tech genius as he is a scheming political mastermind and manipulative bastard who operates under a false front of being The Good Guy and Your Best Friedn. You also forget that while the Joker is out there, so is Ra's Al Ghul -- the man who is the dark mirror of the Batman in virtually every way, the immortal foe of strength, honor... genocide, planet-cleansing, weapons of mass destruction... etc. "Next to [Ra's], the Joker is a petty annoyance." -- Batman speaking to Robin during the "Legacy" story arc. So, this would make Laurence's arch-enemy *Malphas*, and Michael's arch-enemy Baal. (Well, at least one of 'em is canon now.). Actually, given that current Lex seems to be tied down to *no* one M.O. except being the most charismatic evil bastard alive, you could almost make a case for Lex Lucifer. Except that Lex isn't quite that competent) - -- Chuckg (who spends way too much time reading comic books, as if you couldn't tell.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:57:27 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:: The Wrap >From: "Janet Anderson" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:: The Wrap >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:42:15 > >>So, do you know what the reward is for good work? >> >>That's right, more work. You've given us James and >>Sherlock: why go back to that historical era and take >>a stab at, oh, I don't know ... >> >>... Jack? > >Yich. No, thank you. > >Anyway, as you know better than most, I have an angel/Tether/setting >sitting >on the back burner, and for some reason, I'm beginning to feel a trickle of >inspiration ... > Incidentally, if anyone is interested in gothic/Victorian London, (apart from me, I mean), there's quite a nice map at: http://www.wizards.com/rpga/LD/gothic_earth.asp jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Weird , noncanonical and bright, Bright, BRIGHT Swordy Thought. Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:07:24 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Weird , noncanonical and bright, Bright, BRIGHT Swordy Thought. >Moe, there's a difference between Fluffy Bright and >Ridiculously Absurd. See that line? You crossed it >several paragraphs back. (Opens mouth) (pauses) Ah, to heck with it. I mildly disagree with the above statement, but I wouldn't be seriously running that scenario anyway (too many NPCs, and it was worked out hind end forward: a much more rational concept is one demon and one human with a decent Precision and maybe even Large Weapons (Sword) - it's still taught, after all). I'm officially Dropping the Subject*. :) Moe *Although now I've got this thought in my head for Somebody or Other, Impudite Demon of The Most Dangerous Game, so it's all good. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:44:16 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> "All your soul are belong to us!" This is just SICK! Great work. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:11:37 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> May 7, 2001 (ML) On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 09:17:01PM -0700, Maurice Lane wrote: > Nybbas knows them as well, but doesn't often bother to > provide them. The past is the past, baby. Actually, these songs, especially the Celestial variant, would be extremely useful to Habbalah of the Media, who can use it on their "psychic friends". - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:27:11 -0400 From: Trevor Spinelli-Moore Subject: Re: IN> Swords & Musashi Musashi was that good. He fought somewhere in the realm of 60 duels before he was 35, and never lost. The reason that he used a bokken is that it made it a little more fair for his opponent. This never changed the outcome, but it was a nice sentiment. As someone who's trained with those and shinai, I prefer the shinai, it still stings when it hits you, and hurts, but you're a LOT less likely to break a bone when training with them. Trevor Santiago wrote: > >>>Well, what about bokken? Made out of wood, used for training > >>>purposes, but Miyamoto Musashi apparently swore by them as > >>>superior to katanas... > >> > >>I always reckoned he claimed Bokken were superior to avoid hurting > >>people's feelings too much. > > > >Given that Kendo has gone over from Bokken to Shinai because of the > >fatalities caused by training with Bokken, I suspect he wasn't > >joking about the Bokken being deadlier! > > I was under the impression that Musashi used bokken because > he felt that he was so good, attacking an opponent with an actual > sword was dishonorable. With a bokken, it is feasible to merely > disable rather than kill an opponent, although killing is still quite > possible. A bokken amounts to a dense, well-balance hardwood club > more than capable of staving in your head or chest in a single blow. > > -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 5:53 PM -0700 5/13/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > >Michael is a warrior ... and Laurence is a > >soldier, which is why Larry runs the War and Mike > is > >just essentially wasting Baal's time until > >Armageddon. > > Hmmm... this is worth elaborating. Yah. Preferably by somebody who doesn't change his or her opinion on the subject every fifteen minutes (IOW, not me). :) > > (So... Laurence is Superman and Michael is Batman... > except that > makes Michael's archenemy Kobal and Laurence's > Vapula... wait, this > metaphor's breaking down. I need sleep.) Especially since you need a Wonder Woman. Hmm... No. Oh God, no. Make the bad pictures go away. Make them. Go. AWAY.* Moe *This is bad territory, people: real Here Be Dragons stuff. You don't want to go there. It won't even really work: the only thing that you'll come away with are the pictures. You don't want to see the bad mental pictures, do you? Fine. On your own head be it. Magic lasso. Detects/compels truth. Seraphic, IOW. There are only two AA choices left, if Mike's being used, and the mental picture of either... (shudder) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Seraphic, IOW. > >There are only two AA choices left, if Mike's being >used, and the mental picture of either... Well. Dominique as Wonder Woman works, if we take the Wonder Woman from the Kingdom Come miniseries as our model. Litheroy as Wonder Woman works, if we take the whole "Goddess of Truth" thing recently expounded upon (I know little about it, as I don't read it) as our model. So, I guess I don't see the horror. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 9:42 AM -0700 5/14/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > Well. > > Dominique as Wonder Woman works, if we take the > Wonder Woman from the > Kingdom Come miniseries as our model. > > Litheroy as Wonder Woman works, if we take the whole > "Goddess of > Truth" thing recently expounded upon (I know little > about it, as I > don't read it) as our model. > > So, I guess I don't see the horror. > -- It's the _visual_ image. The infamous "300lb hairy guy in a Sailor Moon suit" is a pale echo of that, to me at least. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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(Now odder) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:59:48 -0500 From: "John Walter Biles" Subject: Re: IN> An odd thought... >But would it be possible for your angel or demon or >soldier char to die during character generation? >That's the real question :) You know, that reminds me of something that I've been mildly curious about: if Malakim are supposed to be immune to Trauma because they've gotten killed so many times that it doesn't matter to them any more, wouldn't new blackwings have a problem for the first 500 years or so? Or is there a special school with little itty-bitty vessels that new Malakim go to, in order to learn how to die properly? :) Moe ("We'll worry at a later date about someone pointing out that his non-Malakite PC has died a lot of times too") Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Seriously -- while I can see that with Litheroy, I don't think it's an issue for Dominic, since the Dominique face has been such a codified part from the beginning. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> May 6, 2001 (ML) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> May 6, 2001 (ML) - - --- Maurice Lane wrote: >> Crown of St. Edbert > Actually, I can see a Sorcerer using this thing to >set himself up as a cult leader. Hmm. Sorcerous cults. Would explain a lot of history, really. A shame that Celestial Song of Charm requires Celestial Connection before humans can use it. BTW, anybody written up John Dee yet? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:23:21 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: Inside Haagenti, was IN> Potatoes! Hey, > What is it about Haagenti's digestive system that > apparently makes it such an attractive place for a > campaign? For me, it's the two Demon Princes and the assorted Servitors swimming around in there. Plus God knows what else. I'd imagine a PC in there could experience a Divine Intervention, leading to some really strange side effects. Come on, Haagenti's the ultimate Bag of Holding. His S2 writeup says nothing about *excretion*, after all, and it makes sense for Haagenti to um, keep it in...he's a glutton. In a sillier setting, if Haagenti were around earlier, I'd probably have made him eat Metatron's corpse. Of course, now I'm thinking of Slimer from the old Ghostbusters cartoon... Haagenti as Pac-man. Hmmmm. Twisted thought process begins. Incidentally, I was drinking some Coke when I read your post about Michael and Lucifer and Metatron's corpse. Said Coke was expelled rather...violently. I owe you for that. :P :) Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:34:57 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> An odd thought... (Now odder) From: "Maurice Lane" <> From the online FAQ: <> --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:48:37 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence >*This is bad territory, people: real Here Be Dragons >stuff. You don't want to go there. It won't even >really work: the only thing that you'll come away with >are the pictures. You don't want to see the bad >mental pictures, do you? > >Fine. On your own head be it. > >Magic lasso. Detects/compels truth. Seraphic, IOW. > >There are only two AA choices left, if Mike's being >used, and the mental picture of either... ...Moe? GET OUT OF MY HEAD. NOW. ^_^;; I swear, this sounds *so* much like something I'd come up with it's not even *funny*. [beat] With a capital F, *maybe*... Of course, I've been thinking Michael and Dominic/que, mostly. ^_^ Or Michael and Laurence. Or...well, I won't list the lot of 'em; *way* too long. ^_~ Hmm. I smell campaign seeds...Perhaps the next Iron Rev should involve *non*canon Superior combinations? From either or both sides? ^_^ ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A shadow does not appear at the feet of a person who walks toward the light...No, I should say that intense aura of light repels evil. If it nears, it vanishes when the shadow is consumed. Clavis on Julious, 'Angelique' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:08:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev:: The Wrap At 11:22 PM -0700 5/12/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >A fair assessment, alas. That's what I get for being >excessively weird about the entire thing. That and a vote of Pi. Or Pie. O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2222 Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:15:15 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:Swords & Musashi >Musashi is one of the Seconds avaialbe at the >Duelling Grounds in Heaven [H&H, p.73] - So, write him up. :) >something that must cause Laurence more than a little >annoyance, given that Mushashi's greatest achievement >was leading an army to exterminate Roman catholicism >in Japan. (Tattered) Hmm. He'd make a good Shade-refugee, then ... and, what the Hades, he'd be working for your AA anyway. Now I'm really serious. I think you should write him up. :) (/Tattered) Moe "Netbook Line Editors Never Sleep - OK, that's a lie. We just don't have regular hours, so it only _looks_ that way" Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Swords & Musashi - --- Trevor Spinelli-Moore wrote: > As someone who's trained with > those and shinai, I prefer the shinai, it still stings > when it hits you, > and hurts, but you're a LOT less likely to break a bone > when training with them. Yes, but shinai are still dangerous. Break off the protective tip and you now have a sharpened piece of bamboo with which it is possible to run someone through. That said, I, too, prefer them over bokken. At least for training purposes. A bokken with Blade Blessing on it, now... that's a weapon for teaching lessons to overconfident Hellsworn. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Swords of Laurence - --- Prodigal wrote: > Dominique. > > Why did you think she wears a cloak when in Heaven, > anyway? Got to protect > that secret ID... ;;;) Yeah, but the Cheetah would be one of Jordi's angels. 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Light Attunements Here it is, as hinted at in the past. By far the rarest angels in Heaven are the few Servitors of Light who did not Fall along with their Archangel. They're rare because Lucifer would naturally have reserved his most... enthusiastic... recruitment methods for his former servants. To this very day, killing an Angel of Light is a good way to curry favor with the Lightbringer. All of Lucifer's surviving un-Fallen former Servitors are in service to other Archangels. This is due in equal parts to Heaven's desire to protect the few that remain and to the fear that they will follow the path of their ex-master. Many angels of Light retain their Choir and Servitor Attunements (not to mention Dissonance conditions), but most who had Distinctions or Words have long since been killed or co-opted by the forces of Hell. That Lucifer's Archangelic Rites no longer work is only to be expected. Theoretically, an angel of Light could invoke Lucifer -- but the likelihood of being soul-killed or tempted to Fall means that only a highly Dissonant Outcast would even attempt it. It goes without saying that a Servitor of Light who Fell would lose any of these powers that he possessed. How many of them are retained by Lucifer himself is a matter of some speculation. DISSONANCE Angels of Light cannot promote darkness -- either literally or metaphorically. They would no more extinguish a light source than they would allow ignorance to go unchallenged. Not interfering with natural cycles of light and darkness is alright, as is letting a temporary light source expire naturally. It is Dissonant for these angels to learn (let alone use) the Songs of Shadows or to give out false information. CHOIR ATTUNEMENTS Seraphim Seraphim of Light are immune to anything that would blind them or obscure their sight. This includes darkness, smoke, fog, sand in the eyes and sight-based illusions. Cherubim (Restricted) Lucifer's Cherubim can, at will, create a mystic line-of-sight to an object of their Resonance. The link ignores distance and visual obstructions between the angel and the target's location, but visual conditions at the target's location still apply. Anything viewed through this link is treated as if it is only 10 feet away for the purpose of using Songs and Attunements, but the angel is unable to see anything at her current location. The link may only be used to effect the person or object to which the Cherub is attuned -- no playing a Song of Shattering on the demon who's attacking your buddy! Ofanim (Restricted) No other Ofanim can move like the Wheels of Light -- they can use their Resonance to move at the speed of light while in Celestial form! This power can be used for up to one minute per day per Celestial Force that the angel has. Elohim Lucifer's Elohim, true bringers of light, can play the Corporeal Song of Light at no Essence cost and without disturbing the Symphony. Malakim There were no Virtues before the Fall, so there is no Malakite of Light Attunement. Kyriotates (Restricted) Lightbearer Dominations can create Vessels made of light (luminescent clouds, swarms of glowing motes, burning bushes, etc.). Such a Vessel costs Essence equal to the number of Forces that it can contain and lasts for a number of hours equal to the angel's Corporeal Forces. Kyriotates of Light gain a note of Dissonance if they allow a light-Vessel to be destroyed. Fortunately, light-Vessels are immune to physical damage (but not to Songs or damaging Attunements). These Vessels can also pass through any barrier that is not opaque. Mercurians Lucifer's Mercurians are adept at helping mortals from behind the scenes. They can play the Ethereal Song of Form with no Essence cost and twice the normal duration. Grigori Grigori in the service of Light were able to see anything that had been rendered invisible by supernatural powers or natural camouflage. While all Grigori became Outcasts, few are known to have Fallen -- it's barely possible that there are a few former Watchers of Light somewhere. SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS Clarity A simple touch from the angel (either bare-handed or with an implement) permanently cures blindness, regardless of the cause. The subject of this Attunement can resist with a Will roll, though it's hard to imagine why anyone would. Enlightenment With a touch, the angel can allow another being to see what he sees. This applies both to literal sight and to "seeing" in the sense of understanding... arguably the most powerful Attunement that Lucifer granted! Borrowed sight lasts for a number of minutes equal to the recipient's Ethereal Forces. Understanding, once granted, lasts indefinitely (but somehow you can't get a demon to understand that it's better to serve God...). Guiding Star An angel with this Attunement is never lost as long as she can see a natural heavenly body (the Sun, the Moon, any star, etc.) with her unaided eyes. Using the Songs of Sight counts as unaided eyes for this purpose. On the Ethereal and Celestial planes, Blandine's tower and Gabriel's volcano count as heavenly bodies. Light Sculpture This potent Attunement causes the illusions made by the Ethereal Song of Light to become solid. Light Sculptures act just like the Corporeal objects that they resemble -- a bridge could be walked on, a chair could be sat in, a sword could do damage, etc. Size and duration limits are normal for the Song. Note that Light Sculptures can make no sounds and have no scent or taste; the Attunement only makes them tangible. Illusions also lack the special powers of the things that they represent -- for example, an illusory dragon could not breathe fire (its teeth still work, though). DISTINCTIONS Vassal of Light The angel is able to see the light or darkness within souls. With a successful Perception roll, the target's aura is revealed to the angel. If the subject has the Aura Discord, the Discord level is added to the TN. Treat the subject as being under a Corporeal Song of Nimbus except that the angel won't suffer the negative effects of seeing an opposing halo. Friend of Radiance A single word from the angel tears illusions asunder. All illusions (the Ethereal Songs of Form and Light, the effects of hallucinogenic drugs, Balseraphic Resonance, etc.) within the angel's total Forces x 3 yards are disrupted by a burst of heavenly light if the angel succeeds on a Perception roll. Master of Illumination Lucifer's few remaining Masters are divine logicians and instructors. They add their Celestial Forces to any attempt at logic or persuasion. This bonus applies to the TN and to the CD of a successful roll, but the real power is that the bonus is contagious; a person who hears the Master's arguments first hand has a bonus of (Master's Celestial Forces) to the TN when persuading or teaching a third party! This talent is what made Lucifer's arguments so persuasive just before the Fall. Basic Rites * Light a family dwelling. * Spend two hours basking in natural light from the Sun or the full Moon. * Spend three hours watching the stars. * Teach something new to someone who resists learning. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2223 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.