From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu May 17 10:27:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13757 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 10:27:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA25102 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 10:24:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:24:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200105171524.KAA25102@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2230 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, May 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2230 In this digest: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2229 IN> Grigori's sentence IN> No need for Laurence! Re: IN> Re: Total Chaos 2 IN> May 10, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> In Anime Movie Trailer Re: IN> Consider Song Re: IN> Man, eveyone's quiet today... Re: IN> Man, eveyone's quiet today... Re: IN> No need for Laurence! IN> Re: Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens IN> Re: Dominc's judgements IN> Re: Tactics of Armageddon Re: IN> Messages to Eli Re: IN> Re: Dominc's Judgements Re: IN> Consider Song Re: IN> Grigori's sentence Re: IN> "Falling down" pop. 1 Re: IN> Hell's Plan for beating Heaven Re: IN> In Anime Movie Trailer Re: IN> Re: Total Chaos 2 Re: IN> Re:Tactics for Armageddon Re: IN> Re: Tactics of Armageddon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:40:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2229 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> What is it about Hellcows? Tanj dammit, it won't work that way. Try http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/other/cows.html instead. Sorreee... Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:47:06 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Grigori's sentence The Grigori I think either A:) Created the Nephilim B:) Hid their existence or didn't turn in their brothers C:) Were fragments of those who did (Archangels who commit crimes...your servitors are in trouble too) D:) Had mortal children risking mortal Nephilim plus other possible crimes E:) Sharing forbidden knowledge F:) Being worshipped as gods G:) Disobeying their archangels to speak for their fellow grigori Etc. Dominic was prissy but fair. By the way killing a Grigori as far as I know isn't a crime, they're outcast and thus not under Heaven's protection. Why everyone is so AFRAID of being outcast. For instance a servitor of Blandine while not probably not a popular move has done nothing wrong if he tracks down six Tsaydim in the Marches and fills them with holy bullets for killing his pet rock Marvin. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:06:15 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> No need for Laurence! Fair enough, Big O is a Darker Marc's territory. Now for some more Laurence.... *Laurence Sweeps the Halls of Worship* Laurence: ho hum hum hum *Gabriel pops in* Gabriel: Hiya Laurence! *stuff blows up as she eradicates all the pews* Laurence: What did you do that for?! *Gabriel wraps Laurence in her arms* Gabriel: So we can make hot passionate love in the new space! Laurence: AHHHH! *Gabriel is whacked over the head by a demure now purple haired Blandine* Blandine: Laurence has already promised me he'd be taking me to the Symphony. *she punches Gabriel through a back wall* Blandine: Now back off! *Gabriel starts charging up* Laurence: Ummm guys what exactly have you been smoking from Novalis's garden? *Blandine is hit with an energy blast as Novalis and Zadikiel walk in* Gabriel: Die Hoe! *Novalis wraps her arms around Laurence and showers him with kisses* Novalis: Oh laurence you look absolutely scrumptious! Laurence: Well at least you haven't changed. Zadkiel: Is this your wall? Laurence: Yes, why? *Zadkiel begins writing him a ticket* Laurence: Ummm Zadkiel.... *Gabriel and Blandine blast through the other side of the halls of worship* *Vapulena appears in a nurse's uniform and grabs Laurence in a crane before teleporting to Hell* Laurence: AHHHH! Vapulena: Don't worry my little guinea pig this won't hurt a bit! *Christine whacks her on the back of the head and rescues Laurence* Laurence: Oh thank God.... *he gets his sword as Christine fresh faced with pig tails whispers* Christine: You know I won't be a child forever you know *wink wink* Laurence: AHHH! - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:17:46 +1200 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Total Chaos 2 >>That's the logic for it in-game. > >I would think, though, that having a Word might allow for a case of >rule-bending, if the attunement meshes well with the Word. Sort of like >adding another dimensional grid. Which is a great justification. It does put things right in the hands of the GM rather than canonical "you cannot do this" rules. Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:21:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> May 10, 2001 (ML) Actually, I was going to do a "Novalis was Buddha" seed, but I decided against it. I have my limits, after all. Moe Ineffability wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't for Litheroy. Well, that's not entirely True: it's more like the rest of the Host wouldn't worry about it as much if it weren't for him. Most angels find it quite easy to go through their days without being wracked with uncertainty about whether Jesus was really God, or whether Mohammed really was the last Prophet. When you work for the Host, you soon learn to deal with the fact that there are things that you simply aren't supposed to know. Unfortunately, Servitors of Revelations aren't most angels. Seeing as it's dissonant for them to ignore secrets that are harmful to anyone, they tend to worry about ineffability more than the norm. They worry a lot more. After all, if you can't know something, it's effectively a secret, correct? Hidden in plain sight, as it were. And, certainly the fact that nobody Knows which, if any, divine religion is correct has caused more than a few deaths over the millennia. True, it doesn't seem to be dissonant to not investigate, for some reason, but it still feels wrong. The end result of all of this is that Servitors of Revelations are infamous for trying to track down a solution to more than one ineffable question. They really don't care what the answer is, as long as they get one, so sometimes they can get in over their heads. Whether it's trying to track down the final destination of the Buddha (blithely ignoring the unofficial truce between Heaven and the Hindu pantheon, of course) or trying to sneak into Hell and resonate Kronos to see if he's a Fallen Jesus Christ... Well, the adventure possibilities are obvious: when they get in over their head, somebody has to go get them before they drown. Resolving these situations can require anything from subtle political and diplomatic negotiations to a full-scale military assault with Holy AK-47s. There's been one occasion where both were required at once (it's amazing how much trouble a Seraph of Revelations can get into on her own). There are times when the Host would much prefer to just write off the angels, of course, but Litheroy gets annoyed when that happens: besides, one thing that you can always count on about Servitors of Revelations is that they probably know lots of things that they probably shouldn't. They also have a real problem with keeping their mouths shut. And, of course, the only thing worse than failing in one of these rescue missions is, well, succeeding. After all, now you've got experience in this sort of thing, which means that your name gets written down in a wide variety of little notebooks for the next time a similar problem comes up... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:31:22 -0500 From: "John Walter Biles" Subject: Re: IN> In Anime Movie Trailer On 16 May 01, at 21:55, S.D. wrote: > Hmm. On the subject of In Anime, I just had a *strange* idea. Opinions? > ~S.D. Ryukage > > *** > > (Image: Blandine, wearing a fencing uniform, stares down at a rose-shaped > locket. An image of Beleth, looking away, is within.) > > (VOICEOVER/BLANDINE: "...there are no such things in this world as > miracles.") This should be Beleth, with Blandine as Shiori. Blandine is neither militant nor depressed enough to do Juri. > (Image: Jean, seated at a piano. Eli leans over, listening.) > > (VOICEOVER/JEAN: "In that garden...I realize that all of my happiness > rested in that garden. But...But...I ruined it. I ruined it all by > myself!") Cranky old man Jean as Miki? Can't see that. Some very weird part of my brain wants to put Yves as Miki and Gabrielle as Kozue. > > (Image: Dominic, in psuedomilitary uniform, bends Lilith backward...and > draws Laurence's sword from her chest.) > > (VOICEOVER/DOMINIC: "For the Redemption of the World!") > DOMINIC as Saionji?????? Why Dominic? [see comment below] > (Image: Michael, holding a notebook with Judgement's Seal on the cover. He > tosses it into the incinerator.) > > (VOICEOVER/MICHAEL : "After all, what are friends for?") > If you keep Dominic as Saionji, I'd say Asmodeus as Touga. But better, I think to do Laurence/Michael, or better...Laurence/Khalid as Saionji/Touga > (Image: Eli, dressed in a vaguely military outfit, white wings mantled > behind him, dances with Lilith, in a surprisingly elegant gown.) > > (VOICEOVER/ELI: "Someday...someday, the two of us...") Eli doesn't strike me as being even a teensy tiny bit like Utena in any way. I'd say Zadkiel myself, as Utena is certainly a protector. > > (Image: Andrealphus, driving a car at Ofanite-like speeds down a long > tunnel, neon-lit along the sides. > > (VOICEOVER/ANDREALPHUS: "In the temple that is Shal-Mari...blasphemy is > holy and sin is divine.") > Heh. I like Andrealphus as Akio. > (The logo, title written in elegant angelic script, dissolves into being) > > REDEMPTION'S ANGEL ELI > > STARRING > BLANDINE as JURI ARISUGAWA BELETH as SHIORI > TAKATSUKI JEAN as MIKI KAORU RAPHAEL > as KOZUE KAORU DOMINIC as KYOUICHI SAIONJI KOBAL > as WAKABA SHINOHARA MICHAEL as TOUGA KIRYUU > NOVALIS as NANAMI KIRYUU > Comments on the ones not commented on above: Kobal as Wakaba? Why? NOVALIS as Nanami? NOVALIS?????? I'd be more inclined to put Novalis as Wakaba. Onions are plants, after all :) > LAURENCE as DIOS LILITH as ANTHY HIMEMIYA ANDREALPHUS as AKIO > OHTORI > I do really like Lilith as Anthy. and > ELI as UTENA TENJOU I'd add Malphas as Mikage (He's in the second set of 13 episodes, doesn't show up in the first thirteen) > John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu http://www.dkcomm.net/rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "That all princes shall kiss the foot of the Pope alone."--Dictatus Papae, 11th century ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Consider Song Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:17:25 -0700From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Song > >Dominic looks at one of the men, "You have been >judged guilty of the crime of Murder. It is the >decision of the court that your punishment be death." >He then looks at the other, "And you are his >brother. Though youu have done nothing wrong, I feel >that to be certain you, too, must be put to death." > >Seriously, I don't think that guilt by association >qualifies as Just, and I don't think Dominic would >think so either. And yet, the entire Choir of Watchers was Outcast. Using David Edelstein's Grigori writeup as the template (which, incidentally, is what I did when I wrote up Consider Song in the first place*), we see how Dominic could do this and not be dissonant. Those Grigori not guilty of losing themselves in earthly pleasures were guilty of not alerting the rest of Heaven of their errant brethren. Thus, they were not Judged to be Guilty by Association, but rather Judged as having Sinned by Omission - and Dominic, I would say, does _not_ consider that type of sinning to be any less wrong. Besides, the punishment was Outcasting, which in canon would not have been a certain death sentence. If Dominic could have killed them Justly, he would have: "Better soul-dead than Fallen" is one of his postulates. Besides, Hell, maybe God told him to just kick them out. Dominic doesn't exactly give justifications for his actions. Moe *Not completely, of course: for some reason, everybody seems to seriously underestimate just how many Grigori could be out there, even though everybody _knows_ that there are Grigori Archangels. Hey, I _said_ that whether or not AAs could create angels on other planes should be nailed down in canon, but everybody else said no. Don't blame *me* for the consequences... :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:35:37 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Man, eveyone's quiet today... At 1:05 PM -0700 5/16/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > >Does anyone think that a Campaign Guide (I can't think >of a better name) full of tried-and-found-useful >mechanics stuff would sell? I'd buy it. Does that mean anything, though? I own Fall of the Malakim. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Man, eveyone's quiet today... - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 1:05 PM -0700 5/16/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > > > >Does anyone think that a Campaign Guide (I can't > think > >of a better name) full of tried-and-found-useful > >mechanics stuff would sell? > > I'd buy it. Does that mean anything, though? I own > Fall of the Malakim. Yeah, well, I refused to sell my copy, too. God, I'm such an addict. ;) Moe "I'd buy an IN Coloring Book, God Help Me" Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 04:15:07 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> No need for Laurence! DUDE!!!!!! This was so totally funny, can I put it on my website (with your email addy as credit?) - -Perry, KFC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/ "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:17:18 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens >>>> Hmm. Angel of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens. >>>Sorry to Swipe your idea, Moe, but I had to write >>>this: >> >> If only I had known. Curses on taking the list in >> digest form (my mailbox would otherwise go spastic, >> REAL fast). ;) >> >>>Ketsl, the Angel of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens. >>>Malakite Vassal of War >> >> Heh. One more and we can call it a trend*. :) >> >> Moe > > Oh come on, Moe. Malakite of War? That's too pat, too easy. > > An Elohite of Stone, now that would be a challenge... > > :) Manny Neps The Master spun and landed. It looked clumsy, and the Master spent a second adjusting his balance. This was not a problem as he had landed on the challenger. He stepped off his opponent, and turned to his assembled students. With a pleased grin, he spoke "Recite Rule One!" 'Be surprised' "Yes. Life is to short to take for granted. Enjoy your amazement. Also, know that an opponent will seek to trick you, deceive you. Once you are used to being surprised, such tactics will not harm you. Recite Rule two!" 'Be curious' "Yes. Because I chose to question my opponent, I learned his school, his training and much of his temperament. There is much to learn, and we cannot know the value of what we learn until after it has been learned. So alway learn. Recite Rule Three!" 'We do not know' "Yes. What will we learn tomorrow? We do not know. So we always remind ourselves of the next rule, the one we are about to learn. But now it is time to learn how to learn." The challenger had already been helped to his feet, and out of the courtyard. In his place a mother cat had begun moving her kittens into the middle of the courtyard. Here the kittens began to explore, to play, to tumble with each other. The students bowed to the Master, and then began copying the actions of the kittens, learning to explore, to tumble, to be surprised. The Master returned the bow, then turned to face the smallest kitten, to whom he bowed more deeply. The kitten, who was the true master of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kitten Kung-Fu, blinked his eyes at his student before beginning to copy Mother Cat. Marbre Elohite Master of Inevitability Angel of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens Corporeal Forces: 5 Strength: 8 Agility: 12 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence:12 Precision: 4 Celestial Forces: 5 Will :8 Perception: 12 Word-Forces: 4 Vessel: B-EFK/6 (Charisma +3), Venerable Master/4, Stone Lion Cub/4. Skills: Acrobatics/6, Dodge/6, Emote/1, Fighting/6, Knowledge(Human Psycholgy/4), Meditation/6, Tactics/2. Songs: Moodreading/4, Shields (All/6). Attunements: Cherub of Stone, Elohite of Stone, Kyriotate of Stone, Mercurian of Stone, Brotherhood, Deep Gaze, Geomancy, Rock Hard, Silent Angel, Master of Inevitability, the Angel of Big-eyed Fluffy Kittens. Angel of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens: Marbre can teach the skill specialisations of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kitten Kung-Fu to angels. These are: Fighting - the specialisation grants a +1 bonus to persuading people that you didn't intend to harm your target. Acrobatics - no advantage unless you possess the Elohite of Stone attunement, in which case you gain +1 to all Acrobatics rolls. Dodge - add +1 to dodging an opponent who does not believe you are a serious threat. Meditation - While Meditating gain +1 to all perception rolls. Learning a specialisation takes a week of training (24 hours a day) one to one with Marbre; the only CP cost is whatever is necessary to persuade Marbre that you're worth his time! Rites: Spend an hour imitating a kittens every move; spend 4 hours training in the B-EFK Kung-Fu Style; Strangle a demon with a ball of yarn[+2 Essence] Marbre was sent to the Corporeal by David for the standard Stone reasons: build the humans up, train them in the Martial Arts, drive them towards their full potential. Humans confused Marbre with their willingness to find excuses for themselves, worse their willingness to persuade themselves that minor problems or past failures or injustices meant that their was no point in trying to improve their lot. Tempting as it was to blame the Balseraphs for this, Marbre instead thought about the problem and decided that the solution was to show humans that it was possible to succeed without any of the things they considered necessary. The result was Big-eyed Fluffy Kitten Kung-Fu. You don't need to be strong, or fast, or good looking or intelligent. You just have to be curous and dedicated and you will become good at the Art. David would have preferred that you need to be strong, but nonetheless he approves of his Servitors work and eventually suggested him for the Word of Martial Arts Development. While interviewing Marbre, the Seraphim Council came to the conclusion that the Word was to broad for him and instead granted him the Word of Big-Eyed Fluffy Kittens. This has pleased Marbre no end, and enjoys making his Word synonymous with a superb martial art. James. Right, so who's doing the Seraph of Lightning? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:31:35 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Dominc's judgements > james walker wrote: >> He could, except that collective punishment is forbidden by the Old >> Testament; > > Dominic isn't bound by the Old Testament. > > >> now that he's accepted Christianity is can't do so. > > Even if Dominic was a Christian (which he isn't necessarily -- he just > considers Christianity to be a Good Thing), that wouldn't make him a > Biblical literalist. For that matter, an argument could be made that > Biblical laws are for humans, who need them, not angels. Granted. But given that S1 has a long write-up on the 7 Deadly Sins (which are a very strange concept) he must be putting the beliefs of Roman catholicism above any other consideration. Although this means that Biblical literalism isn't an option for him, he'll have studied Biblical Law, at the very least. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:27:00 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Tactics of Armageddon >>Also, working with Malakim of >>Laurence and other Dominicans, they should be able to detect legitimate >>targets without burning the essence. > > But it will still burn _time_ -- which you don't have in a combat situation. > So they burn Essence the first few times, or they don't get a _chance_ to > fill the air with flying Swords of Judgment before the second wave is upon > them. Or the first, for that matter. But they do have time. That's the advantage of being in an entrenched position; you can pick of advancing enemies at your leisure. > (Andrealphus and Baal working together? Heck, yeah -- if angels are knocking > down the gates. Yes, I'd assumed that. Partly, from self-interest, and partly because as an Impudite Andre would want to protect all those Damned Souls. EVERY DP will be fighting the angels of. Granted. It was just beyond me at the time to calculate everything they'd do. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Messages to Eli Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:13:52 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: IN> Messages to Eli, was Re: Superior Roles: Khalid On Wed, 16 May 2001 12:38:31 -0700 (PDT), Maurice Lane wrote: >CLAP. >"Please. Just explain this one mission. Why is it so >important I give Stephen King this particular >pineapple?!" Thanks. I actually needed an image like that. :) Moe "NO! Not ... THE DOODAD! The fools. The poor mad fools..." Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Dominc's Judgements Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:05:28 -0500From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Re: Dominc's Judgements >For that matter, an argument could be made that >Biblical laws are for humans, who need them, not >angels. I'd agree, though Laurence wouldn't. Moe "And don't ask me what I think the REAL reason why he was written that way is.*" Lane *Seriously. Consider the Word of Maurice, and just ... don't. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:55:37 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Consider Song >Seriously, I don't think that guilt by association qualifies as Just, and I >don't think Dominic would think so either. > It can do if you are judged to be an accessory after the fact. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:21:10 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Grigori's sentence From: "Charles Phipps" <> Killed a Child of the Grigori is different from killing a Grigori. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> "Falling down" pop. 1 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:31:03 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> "Falling down" pop. 1 >Tether to Nightmares > >Double Mountains Asylum Nice: it's got the potential to be scary-scary or funny-scary, depending on how one wants to play it. Of course, it's going to get vaporized once the Order of the Eternal Sword finds out about it*, but it's amazing how often the Deus Ex Machina Squads don't find out about things until after PCs have had a chance to try all the rides. :) Moe *Working for Beleth? Trying to make a Malakite Fall? Having anything else than abject failure along those lines? Yeah, that'll get your name on the List. Of course, as written it may take a _long_ while for Heaven to notice. Cool: you can never have enough spooky MK-ULTRA mind control freaky stuff going on, in my opinion. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:31:16 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Hell's Plan for beating Heaven At 7:06 AM -0700 5/16/01, Phillip wrote: >Actually, I always wondered how they intended to conquer Heaven in the first >place. I have this image, see... Princes, spreading out their huge wings, shadowing the walls and spires of Heaven as the demonic Horde approaches... And once you've trashed Heaven enough, presumably the Light would fade. Or maybe you'd have to send the Vapunuke up Jacob's Ladder first. O:> (Canon? You want canon? No. No canon here. You can't have any.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:43:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Anime Movie Trailer At 9:55 PM -0400 5/16/01, S.D. wrote: >Hmm. On the subject of In Anime, I just had a *strange* idea. Opinions? > ~S.D. Ryukage >(Image: Eli, dressed in a vaguely military outfit, white wings mantled behind >him, dances with Lilith, in a surprisingly elegant gown.) For this trailer, it'd have to be Ellie, not Eli. >BLANDINE as JURI ARISUGAWA BELETH as SHIORI TAKATSUKI >JEAN as MIKI KAORU RAPHAEL as KOZUE KAORU Nah, nah, Blandine should be Miki... Kozue's got that "bad girl" attitude, see... *ahem* O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:45:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Total Chaos 2 At 10:21 PM -0400 5/16/01, Eric Bertish wrote: >>From: Elizabeth McCoy >> >>That's the logic for it in-game. > >I would think, though, that having a Word might allow for a case of >rule-bending, if the attunement meshes well with the Word. Sort of like >adding another dimensional grid. If you're adding _Words_ into it, yeah, you've just jumped over into GM's Option-land, I'd say. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re:Tactics for Armageddon Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:41:31 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re:Tactics for Armageddon >From what I recall of the CPG vignette, it's still >pretty unclear what went on. Maybe they _do_ call >Yves to do the honors all the time. Who would notice >another old-seeming "human" soul, if he's somehow >shielding his Superior nature... O:> Hmmm. For the CPG vignette (atom bomb guy, right?) I assumed a natural 6-Force human and a demon with Songmaster (or just a lot of luck in teaching Songs): IOW, no Infernal Pact, so no 'automatic damnation' clause. Heck, the entire scenario was supposed to be hush-hush, so using somebody that nobody could _prove_ to be a Soldier of Whatever even made sense. Of course, that meant that Yves was just being Yves when he went to go talk to the girlfriend. That's why everybody but Mike loves him, of course. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:45:49 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Tactics of Armageddon At 2:27 PM +1100 5/17/01, james walker wrote: >>>Also, working with Malakim of >>>Laurence and other Dominicans, they should be able to detect legitimate >>>targets without burning the essence. >> >> But it will still burn _time_ -- which you don't have in a combat situation. >> So they burn Essence the first few times, or they don't get a _chance_ to >> fill the air with flying Swords of Judgment before the second wave is upon >> them. Or the first, for that matter. >But they do have time. That's the advantage of being in an entrenched >position; you can pick of advancing enemies at your leisure. I can't think that would be the case -- see, when you've got an advancing horde, and you start discovering that you _can't_ take 'em out the way you were planning to... Lookout: Here comes a wave of 'em. Seraph of Judgment: Fiat Justitia! [nothing happens] SoJ: Er. Fiat Justitia! [nothing happens] Malakite of the Sword: Hey, he's not... not really that bad. Or that one. Or that one. Crap! Our distance auto-swords are off-line! There aren't enough guilty ones in this wave! Superior Officer: Form up, get the Judges back, we're going into hand-to- hand, troops... [much fighting later] Lookout: _SECOND WAVE INCOMING!_ MotS: Evil lockon! Superior Officer: Get those Dominicans back here! We're about to be over-run! (For the worst case, we then have, "Their position's been overrun! We don't have Essence to fuel the Judge-swords! Aie! Retreat! Retreat!") >> (Andrealphus and Baal working together? Heck, yeah -- if angels are knocking >> down the gates. >Yes, I'd assumed that. Partly, from self-interest, and partly because as an >Impudite Andre would want to protect all those Damned Souls. >EVERY DP will be fighting the angels of. Granted. It was just beyond me at >the time to calculate everything they'd do. Make heavy use of Celestial Motion -- they're on home ground and know where to teleport to, mostly. And even if they don't, the angelic positions are probably more exposed than demonic ones. Kobal/Kobalites will try to confuse the issue with Pranks while the real troops advance. Andrealphans will try to sneak up (Ethereal Form, perchance? Celestial Motion works nicely too) and Dark Desire people till they run out of Essence. (Celestial Motion relics to teleport back to safety and an Essence refuel.) Habbalah of Lust have it even better -- they can inflict Love on everyone around them without risk of backlash, and have their new harem/stable try to fight their way through their own ranks to stay with and protect the Habbalite. For lesser effect, Balseraphs of Lust can lay about them with a lash and anyone who totally flubs their Will roll will probably be distracted during actual combat. Andre's Captains can also wreak a little morale- havoc. Baalites with their little Art of Combat attunement will be doing roughly the same thing -- sneak or bamf in, do damage, escape again. Any Balseraph Barons of Victory are going to be wicked bamf'ers, _especially_ if they also have Art of Combat. (Bite, wingstrike, wingstrike, tailstrike, wedgie!) If Humanity works celestially, Asmodeans will be sneaking into the work-gangs to wreak havoc when the attunement wears off. They'll have to use Songs instead of attunements, mostly, but hey. To get really sneaky, force Andre to give a few of these operatives Dark Desire and go around imposing a lust for angel on the work-gangs. Use Celestial Tongues to feed the operative(s) enough Essence to Celestial Motion back when discovered, or just promise them a Dukedom and a Word if they survive. (And a spot on the front lines of the advancing demon troops if they refuse.) [Having to quash human uprisings is always good for tying up troops; you'd have to have Seraphim of Novalis all over the place, and even then, a Dark Desire might just be to non-violently wrap oneself around the purty Seraph and murmur indecent suggestions in its ear.] Nybassians will be catapulting interesting media-bombs over -- Subliminal attunement, anyone? Nybbas will probably also be pressed into service to give his Soundtrack attunement to Baalites and other troops who might have use of such a thing. (Thus making Michael's Malakim a little less speeeecial. ) Malphans can also avail themselves of Celestial Motion to sow discord and won't they be just tickled to do it... Especially if they can find some Dominicans and Michaelites who are nearby. Or Gabrielites and Dominicans. If they get lucky, the Swordies will be trying to hold down the Michalines and Gabrielites to keep them from gnawing on the Judgmenters. Imbroglio is great for them if they can stay unseen for a little bit (difficult, of course. Maybe lob a few otherwise "innocent" demonlings over with this attunement running.) Polarize on high-ranking officers, with a _bunch_ of Essence dumped into it, could be nasty. Habbalah, Djinn, and Calabim also have amusing attunements. (The Djinn can't fight _that_ angel anymore, but hey.) Impudites are also good, if given binoculars. Belethian Balseraphs with a lot of Dodge could sow phobias of fighting, weapons, or demons... Calabim with binoculars might have some ideas for wrecking morale. Habbalah, given suitably stunned subjects to start with (ah, demonlings and damned souls!), are potentially useful during actual combat, or in "teleport teams." Habbalah of Belial are likewise good for teams or in the actual battles. It's up to the GM to decide whether his Balseraphs can affect celestial "metals," such as the flaming sword hilts. Calabim of Fire... 'nuff said. (What's the Calabite range again? Angels will want to _really_ keep their heads down...) If the Incendiary attunement works in Hell... Better for bamfing in than actual battles (where one's own side might get a little, er, friendly fire). Haagentians with Devour and Fangs are not people you want biting you. Bamf in, munch, bamf out? It's unclear whether Lilim of Gluttony could send over "care packages"... Kronos' lot can make use of Temporal Projection _in_ battles, or just before a frontal assault via teleport-teams. With decent protection, they come in, several people hit the target with Celestial Charm, and then the Fateling nails him with a lot of Essence on the Temporal Projection. If that was an officer... Er, well... Got an understudy? Impudites of Fate are great for interrogations. BalOfanim will be just as vicious in combat as regular Ofanim -- place them into Baal's service for some training and presto. A Habbalite of Fate _might_ be able to do some interesting damage if in a teleport team. (With a two-part attack -- Fated Future, then resonance -- he'll need some backup.) As support teams, Captains of the Infernal Hourglass will be useful back behind friendly lines, though they'll probably grumble about building fortifications. Lilith and Lilim will call in favors; up to the GM to decide who owes her/them and how much. Depending on a GM's view of her, Lilith might be a scary assassin -- who can restrict Freedom, if she decides to sweep through the Host's lines? Then again, if Marc managed to buy her off, she might be nowhere to be seen... Saminga's Calabim are likely to be able to spot Soul hits and will point out weak targets. His Impudites can be sent up to Earth -- hospitals, daycare centers, retirement homes, schools, etc. If given the Impudite of Technology attunement, they can bring back _lots_ of Essence... (Tethers? Who needs Tethers?) Valefor's lot are mostly useful on teleport teams ("Nice artifact!" *Swipe* (if allowed by GM), though his Impudites could be a bit interesting as messengers and hit-and-run troops. Vapulans have Vaputech, which is almost enough in and of itself. Heck, they could catapult all their alpha-test devices at the enemy lines and angelic morale would likely be wounded. His Habbalah are nearly as useful as those of Nightmares and Lust. His Impudites, armed with those CelMotion relics and the Ethereal Song of Attraction, can do some vile, vile, vile things (also akin to Habbalah of Lust) -- like dump 18 Essence into the Song. If they're also high Ethereal Forces and Song/6... Er, wasn't the Angel of Tactical Reports on _our_ side? Barons of Gremlins may (GM's option) be able to wreak havoc with any Jeanite stuff they can teleport next to. Other Impudites go up to Earth and work the crowds for a less-effecient Essence-gathering effort. And we still haven't gone into the idea that Lucifer can make the angelic staging point in Hell... get swallowed up by the Earth, turn into a sink-hole, ripple like jello, or whatever else amuses him at that moment. Not to mention the humans that _are_ already in Hell. Along with all the demonlings who can be rounded up, they could be whipped forward as a first wave to try to overwhelm the angels or buy time. Which isn't to say that Hell would win handily, but it would hardly be a cut-and-dried case, and it would really trash the corporeal realm. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2230 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.