From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue May 22 12:57:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15785 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:57:20 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id MAA23835 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:55:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:55:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200105221755.MAA23835@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2238 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, May 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2238 In this digest: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2237 Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast IN> Elohim and Faith Re: IN> Elohim and Emotions was"We're sending you a cleaner" Re: IN> A Kyriotate Archangel Re: IN> A Kyriotate Archangel IN> A Brief Mention Of Plurals Re: IN> A Kyriotate Archangel Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast IN> You know, none of these guys are infallible. Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast IN> Djinn, Calabim, Habbalah... and Laurence RE: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast RE: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks Re: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks Re: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks Re: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks Re: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks RE: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Re: IN> Alternate Writeup - Nephalim Re: IN> "Bright (nosed) College Days..." IN> Balticon Re: IN> Balticon IN> CONVENTION: Los Angeles, CA, USA IN> CONVENTION: Baycon Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2237 Re: IN> "Bright (nosed) College Days..." Re: IN> You know, none of these guys are infallible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:08:30 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2237 > I don't know about this one. The Word and how he >promotes it seem more appropriate for a Shedite than a >Kyrio. And any AA who is "forgiving of Dissonance" is just >asking to be put on trial for heresy. Not really. If you didn't notice the man's "forgiving of dissonance" is hypocritical because he punishes them just the way a normal Archangel would with heavy dischord and a slap on the back saying "FIX IT!". I should probably have brought that out more. As for promotion being Shedite, I don't think so. After all Kyriotates are possesors, I think it's the logical step that alot of them believe humanity needs to be dominated at crucial points. A Kyriotate I think makes a great politician :-) Anyone else have any suggestions? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:07:18 -0700From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Phillip Des Jardins wrote: > Haagenti: Archangel of Gusto >You have mentioned this one to me before. Then as >now, I am not sure that is really what a Haagenti >Archangel would be like. > May I humbly suggest, instead: Haageti, >Archangel of the Feast. Personal choice, I'd say: I went away from the Word and into the Choir nature for the Oops Redeemed, but there are all sorts of legitimate interpretations*. A reversed Word _would_ make more sense for those Superiors that have never known anything different, which means... Oh, well. Tattered will just have to take the strain. :) Moe "Yeah, SD, Individuality _is_ the obvious choice for a Redeemed Malphas" Lane *IOW, do not let the Dead Hand of Moeticism rule thy writeups. I mean, it even _sounds_ inane (and way pretentious) when said - well, written - outright... ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:13:26 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Elohim and Faith > Angels and demons don't need faith. Faith is "the evidence of >things not seen."[1] Celestials have direct, constant experience with >the power of God in the Symphony, and thus have knowledge and fact, >not faith - it's humans who need faith, one way or the other, and >they're given the ability to make choices like that for themselves. Elohim of Heresay: So we say. You say you feel God's presence, are you sure it's not the product of your own feeling a moneistic oversoul composed of Archangels and human beings rather than a patriarchal figurehead whom you've never seen only heard? Elohim: errr...well I can't rule that out though it's stupid. *Elohim gets dissonance* Khalid: SEE! This is what I'm talking about! - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:21:15 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> Elohim and Emotions was"We're sending you a cleaner" On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 09:11:56PM +0000, Jo Hart wrote: > Now I'm tempted to write up the bofh. For a campaign I've been wanting to run (related to my postings about the acceptance of Habblah as angels, a few months ago), I've halfway written up the bofh. Unfortunately for this context, I wrote him up as a Habbalite of Technology. The same scenario was possibly going to involve the Angel of the Manual, a Malakite of Lightening, to give the players a chance to compare and contrast (in a low-contrast setting). - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 23:05:16 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> A Kyriotate Archangel >I just realized there weren't nearly enough good Archangels bearing the >Kyriotate nature so I decided to create one. > >Zedikiah >Archangel of Control I have a feeling if Lilith resonated herself, she'd find a Need 6 for this guy to suffer a slow, agonizing soul-killing :). One interesting thought regarding the "Kill a Lilim" rite; does that distinguish between Hell's crew and Bright Lilim? I have a twisted vision of a Elohite of Control stabbing a Bright ally in the back in order to get that essential bit of essence needed to defeat a Hell-plot :) (one can see the profound logic: it's not like it's PERMANENT, and surely any sacrifice for Heaven's cause is a worthy one... ;)). - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net It takes all kinds of people to make a world, but did you ever think the percentages were wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:03:40 +1200 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> A Kyriotate Archangel > > Truth, Devotion, Motion, Balance, Honour, *Control*, Interaction, >Guidance > > >I think a better Word for the Kyriotate would be Perspective. After all, >that's what they're best at, seeing the universe through the eyes of many >at >once. Perspective is a good word I agree, but it isn't what they *do*. They quite literally Control their host. The soul just doesn't stick around in the body. They take it over entirely. How can they provide a new perspective when the host doesn't remember a thing about the session and wakes up with a complete blank? Kyrio's are the Dominations. Since Domination has Demonic connotations, Control just seemed a better Word. Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 23:46:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> A Brief Mention Of Plurals [I need the Essence. It's a Rite.] The plural of Elohite is Elohim. The singular of Elohim is Elohite. One Elohite, many Elohim. Contrary to popular infernal opinion, Elohim are not so interchangable as to be plural. On the flip side, it's one Habbalite, several Habbalah, and they get very upset when others imply they are interchangable. We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. With one exception. The mental image of: A guy in a bar, cowering away from the scarred, tattooed, and menacing celestial form of one of the Punishers. The caption is: "Er, _Bud_ Lite?" - --Beth, Demon Princess of Nitpicking http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Demons/Prince.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hillman Subject: Re: IN> A Kyriotate Archangel - --- Alex Liddell wrote: > > > Truth, Devotion, Motion, Balance, Honour, > *Control*, Interaction, > >Guidance > > > > >I think a better Word for the Kyriotate would be > Perspective. After all, > >that's what they're best at, seeing the universe > through the eyes of many > >at > >once. > > Perspective is a good word I agree, but it isn't > what they *do*. Actually the word i am doing for a version of the angelic Malphas that word i think works better is "the Ensamble"- the conection between all to gods great plan-Heavens personal person. Working on short stories about all of the original princes:Asomedus, Baal, Malphas, Andre, Bealth,Kobol, and lastly Lucifer- all are going to be longer then 10k to flumox Beth. As for other potential superior Words for Kyronates how about- Leadership, The Elements, The Heavens, Unity, Happiness, Empathy, and Play. Ahh just ideas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:32:14 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast I like these a lot, but would make the following changes: >Christopher: Prince of Immaturity Doesn't seem a potent enough word. Corruption was suggested before, which I think works pretty well. >David: Prince of Prejudice I dunno. Prejudice doesn't seem strong enough, somehow. Prince of Intolerance would work better. Or maybe Totalitarianism . >Dominic: Prince of Tyranny Actually, I think he should keep his old word. Demon Price of Judgment works for me. >Eli: Prince of Plagues I'll add my vote to Prince of Entropy. I think that sounds better as a demonic version of Eli. >Jean: Prince of Insanity This doesn't really work for me. I think giving him Vapula's word would work better. >Laurence: Prince of Carnage I think he should keep his old word. The Sword can just as easily be held by Hell. I picture Laurence as the dark and loyal dark paladin of evil, so Carnage sounds a little too chaotic and random. >Mammon: Archangel of Generosity. I agree with SD that Charity works a little better, as it is a Christian virtue. One comment. The way I see it, the reason that we have people called Michael, Raphael, Christopher, etc., is because they encountered the Archangels and named children in honor of them. Which would suggests that in this world, people are called Mammon, Kobal, etc. instead of Lawrence or Dominic. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:36:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> You know, none of these guys are infallible. Just doing my part to point that out. :) Moe Matthew Mercurian Master of Finances Angel of Entertainment Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 6 Agility: 10 Ethereal Forces: 6 Intelligence:12 Precision: 12 Celestial Forces: 6 Will: 12 Perception: 12 Word-Forces: 16 Vessel: middle-aged man/3, Charisma +1 Skills: Artistry (Cinematography/3, Game Design/3, Writing/3), Computer Operation/1, Detect Lies/6, Dodge/3, Emote/6, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Contract Law/2, Entertainment Industry/6), Languages (French/1, Hindustani/1, Japanese/1), Musical Instrument (guitar/1, harp/1, piano/1), Ranged Weapon/1 (pistol), Savoir-Faire/6, Singing/3, Tactics/1 Songs: Harmony (Ethereal/1), Healing (All/2), Light (Corporeal/1, Celestial/2), Motion (Celestial/6), Retribution (All/3), Shields (All/6), Tongues (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/3) Role: "M. R. Billings" (mover and shaker/6, Status 6) Attunements: Mercurian of Trade, Seraphim of Trade, Malakite of Trade, Divine Contract, Head of a PIN, Master of Finances, Angel of Entertainment Angel of Entertainment: Matthew can determine whether a work of commercial entertainment has the potential of being a surefire hit. He can also tell, upon making a Perception Roll, whether any particular form of entertainment is being directly supported by Hell. Both of these abilities are given out as Servitor Attunements. Matthew also automatically succeeds at any resonance roll (with a CD of 6) involving the determination of a particular human's tastes in entertainment. Rites (These are also available to others): : Watch a well made, entertaining film or television show. : Loan someone a well-written book. : Put on some kind of performance for five or more people and get an unforced emotional response out of them (+2 Essence) In a sense, having your own personal Triad assigned to you is a bit of a compliment: it's a sign that Dominic considers it very, very important that you not Fall. That's the rationalization, at least. Matthew recognizes that he's on a knife-edge, but what can he do? He was the Angel of Entertainment a century before anyone ever even heard of Nybbas, and he's not about to give up the Word just because it's no longer safe to hold. Trade's people aren't quitters. Besides, the work he does is starkly necessary. This is the modern era: wars (and the War) are fought in a thousand different types of arenas these days, and Matthew knows how important his particular one is. Somebody's got to make sure that humanity gets forms of entertainment that won't corrupt them, or insult their collective intelligence, and it seems that Matthew is that 'someone'. It's a good thing that he works for Marc: he's got the cash to do the job right. These days, his influence is very wide, if not especially deep: Matthew is a strong player in every worthwhile record company, movie studio, software company, publisher or roleplaying game company out there. If it exists and consistently avoids producing crap, his mini-organization is involved somehow. Most of the time, said involvement is limited to watching for Media involvement, but Matthew keeps a very firm finger on the pulse of the various entertainment industries. Another, lesser task is trying to reclaim those cast aside by Nybbas' relentless empire. Matthew has been responsible for drying out more than one has-been actor or musician and fixing them up to the point where they can at least pay their bills. It's the good thing to do - and having once-famous people quietly telling horror stories about the evils of Hollywood can do wonders on the local level of society. One thing that Matthew does not do is set himself up as a rival to the Media. He can't. He'd like to, but he can't. This is a bitter pill to swallow, but the Mercurian consoles himself with the fact that he's not actually being forced back. While Nybbas may be expanding faster than Matthew could ever hope to match, the angel is involved in his own empire building, and it's a blessed sight better defended than its malignant big brother. This is one place where Heaven's ability to work together is paying dividends: the rest of the Host knows full well that defending their beachhead in Nybbas' domain is vitally important, so they all do - even the ones that normally don't care much for Trade. The aforementioned Triad is there almost as much to ensure that Matthew keeps getting the backup that he needs, as it is to keep an eye on him. Dominic remains paranoid, of course, but that's par for the course. The ironic bit is that Nybbas has no real plans to crush this interloper. Possibly it's because of his relative inexperience (the Prince is very young for his position), but Nybbas apparently thinks of Matthew as more of an independent subcontractor than as an active danger. Market share is market share: the stuff that the Angel of Entertainment puts out may be goody-goody, boring, outdated drivel, but there are people who like it. If Nybbas were to crush Matthew, then those people might ... start making their own entertainment instead. The very idea makes the Prince of the Media's flesh crawl. To prevent that obscenity, Nybbas might have to get involved in producing more quality material himself. He could do it (or so he tells himself), but why work when you can get someone to do it for you? As long as Matthew doesn't get ideas above his station, the Prince of the Media is willing to let Heaven have their foothold. Hell, it's even serving his Word. This may be a drastic miscalculation (the Prince has never quite gotten his head around the fact that angels will instinctively work together in ways that no demons could hope to emulate), but then Nybbas is very young. If there's ever a confrontation, it could very well be ... interesting. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:05:04 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bevan Thomas" To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast > >Laurence: Prince of Carnage > > I think he should keep his old word. The Sword can just as easily be held by > Hell. I picture Laurence as the dark and loyal dark paladin of evil, so > Carnage sounds a little too chaotic and random. Dragonlance. "Dragons Of Summer Twilight". Knights of Takhisis. Steel Brightblade. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:55:07 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Bevan Thomas wrote: > > I like these a lot, but would make the following changes: > > >Christopher: Prince of Immaturity > > Doesn't seem a potent enough word. Corruption was suggested before, which I > think works pretty well. Ignorance? Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:50:51 -0600 From: "Julian Mensch" Subject: IN> Djinn, Calabim, Habbalah... and Laurence In response to the list interest in Low Contrast games, I've decided to post some of the writeups I've done for a game that features heroic demons. I have Band descriptions for the Djinn, Calabim and Habbalah, heavily altered to present a more heroic (or at least antiheroic and sympathetic) look at these Bands. There are no specific mechanics for the altered Resonances yet; I want to finish at least all the Bands (and possibly the Choirs) before doing those, to ensure balance. For those interested, these are written from the perspective that the selfless/selfish dichotomy has been removed utterly, and replaced with meek/proud and innocence/experience. I'll probably add more writeups -- of Bands, Choirs and Superiors warped to my tastes -- later, but no guarantees when. This also includes a Laurence writeup. This version isn't very nasty or otherwise Backwards; indeed, he's a rather nice angel. It's part of the Low Contrast setting I'm cobbling together cause I want the game to reflect some more theological concepts, and in particular I want the Archangel Patron of Christianity to actually have something to do with Christianity. (And yes, of course, there are a lot of nastier AAs in my version of Heavan too!) Since this stuff all-told comes to 48K, I posted it on the web instead of posting it to avoid transgressing against the list rules as set forth by our list-admin. Here's the link: http://www.geocities.com/symphony765/greyin.html Comments and suggestions are welcome. Next will come Lilim, Shedim and some more Superiors, most of whom will just be altered perspectives on their canon selves, unlike my completely transformed Laurence. I'm not sure when my next update will be, though. Anyway, any comments, feedback or random thoughts are welcome. - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:02:47 -0600 From: "Julian Mensch" Subject: RE: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Jo Hart writes > > But what about people who enjoy playing silly, immoral demons > without too many scruples? I really think this is how demons were > intended to be presented as PCs. They don't need the moral high > ground to be fun characters (not that you can't do it -- it's > painfully easy to write up any of the demon princes as noble heroes, > but I think they're a lot more *fun* just as they are.) And Neel adds: > Yeah! Yeah! Preach on, sister! In this vein, let me suggest some > movies to suggest a demonic worldview: > o The Big Hit > o Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels > o Waking Ned Devine > o Young and Dangerous > Note the total absence of anything resembling a moral compass in any > of these movies. Note that sex, violence and greed are the primary > motivations of the characters, and that they are funny as hell. Firstly, let me point out that I'm interested in offering an alternate option in the form of a few writeups to inspire ideas, not trying to exclude any other options -- any more than Moe would want to give up on canon just because he's nearly finished Tattered IN. This said, I don't think canon IN's demons really seem to be the kind of rougish, half-likable evil you are talking about here. I haven't seen /any/ of the listed movies, sadly, but my impression of IN canon demons is that they aren't so much just selfish as completely devoid of any regard for others and in fact usually actively malevolant. Andre isn't about being naughty and promiscious; he's about using and violating others. Kobal's writeup emphasizes how all his humor is sadistic in nature, how his jokes kill or violate, and how he laughed at the Children's Crusade. Few Princes are any better. Valefor - maybe. But that's about all I can see. The alternate demons I envision often don't have a lot of scruples either, but I think they are more amoral then truly immoral (or is that the other way around?). They have a point to make and it's a valid one, but that doesn't prevent them from being selfish rogues... or for that matter murderous monsters. Some of the princes I've planned are very nice; others are as bad as any in canon. It just that IMC you *can* play a heroic demon. And I'll try not to take too many 'fun' bits out. :) *And* I'll have a look at some of those movies for inspiration. - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:55:37 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: RE: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast > Firstly, let me point out that I'm interested in offering an >alternate option in the form of a few writeups to inspire ideas, >not trying to exclude any other options -- any more than Moe >would want to give up on canon just because he's nearly finished >Tattered IN. > Sure. I'm just trying to explain why I don't think it's broken. > This said, I don't think canon IN's demons really seem to be >the kind of rougish, half-likable evil you are talking about >here. Ah. Have you ever played a game with PC demons? They get very amusing. In practice, it's the natural way to play them. But you do have to make sure that players understand that their characters needn't sit around trying to claim the moral high ground (some can, for sure, but it isn't a requirement for demonic PCs.) So likeable rogues work really well. Demons who spend all their time fighting a noble war could potentially be a little more dull. Does anyone have any logs of demonic games? jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:57:03 +1000 From: "Shane" Subject: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks Having been following the Diablo 2 Expansion beta test reports recently, and with Counter-Strike a favorite relaxation method, it came to me: Multiplayer games and the Kyriotate of Lightning attunement. Ever wondered why sometimes the enemy team seems incredibly co- ordinated, giving your side the challenge of their gaming lives? It might, just *might*, be a single Kyrio you're playing against on the virtual battlefield... Although I suppose to play fair, at least against mortals, a Kyrio would be playing different matches - even entirely different games - with each machine on the network! Hmm. Brings a different light to the term 'hosting a game'. ;) Cheers, Shane. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:03:56 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks > Ever wondered why sometimes the enemy team seems incredibly co- > ordinated, giving your side the challenge of their gaming lives? It > might, just *might*, be a single Kyrio you're playing against on the > virtual battlefield... hmmm..so if you manage to kill the characters in the Kyrio's "group" does that count as injuring a host? -:-) I still look forward to Armageddon being solved in a Quake deathmatch... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:09:35 +1200 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks > > Ever wondered why sometimes the enemy team seems incredibly co- > > ordinated, giving your side the challenge of their gaming lives? It > > might, just *might*, be a single Kyrio you're playing against on the > > virtual battlefield... > > hmmm..so if you manage to kill the characters in the Kyrio's "group" >does that count as injuring a host? -:-) Invalid plug-in detected cannot read "KyrioLightningCheapMunch", beat head against neighbouring keyboard to continue. Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:12:24 +0200 From: 95101543 <95101543@si.hhs.nl> Subject: Re: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks Shane wrote: > > Having been following the Diablo 2 Expansion beta test reports > recently, and with Counter-Strike a favorite relaxation method, it > came to me: Multiplayer games and the Kyriotate of Lightning > attunement. > > Ever wondered why sometimes the enemy team seems incredibly co- > ordinated, giving your side the challenge of their gaming lives? It > might, just *might*, be a single Kyrio you're playing against on the > virtual battlefield... *whines* that explains why I always lose when I decided to play CS *shakes head* he might even be using the bots for CS for his own advantage > Although I suppose to play fair, at least against mortals, a Kyrio > would be playing different matches - even entirely different games - > with each machine on the network! Playing fair?? hell no, the comp always wins *L* > Hmm. Brings a different light to the term 'hosting a game'. ;) > > Cheers, > Shane. *hides* edwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:15:49 +0200 From: 95101543 <95101543@si.hhs.nl> Subject: Re: IN> Crazy Kyriotate Tricks Cameron McCurry wrote: > > > Ever wondered why sometimes the enemy team seems incredibly co- > > ordinated, giving your side the challenge of their gaming lives? It > > might, just *might*, be a single Kyrio you're playing against on the > > virtual battlefield... > > hmmm..so if you manage to kill the characters in the Kyrio's "group" > does that count as injuring a host? -:-) > I still look forward to Armageddon being solved in a Quake > deathmatch... no not Quake, I hate that game, how about this idea Counterstrike T's are either demons (depends on the mission) CT's are the angels mission profile Hostage mission: The CT's need to save angels out of the clutches from a few T's Bombing: The demons (T's) are going to plant a bomb somewhere in heaven VIP: The angels (CT's) need to protect an Archangel against the Demons *grins* someone contact Valve pls *L* Edwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: RE: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast On Tue, 22 May 2001, Jo Hart wrote: > Does anyone have any logs of demonic games? No, but my experience has matched yours. In play, demonic PCs - simply because they're being played by real people - tend to come off as funny, roguish, and somewhat sympathetic. They find good rationales to justify their actions, even if what they're doing is clearly "wrong". Some PCs (like those serving Death) tend towards the unapologeticly "evil" side, but that helps *make* the contrast, not break it. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! When I was a young boy / My momma said to me, "Son, you're a girl / Now take off my strap-on." -- Samjo (Pee Kitty's girlfriend) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Alternate Writeup - Nephalim Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:07:07 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: IN> Alternate Writeup - Nephalim >Nephalim - The Whisperers > >"mrmph...razzarazzafiz _they're using you_ thraz >bischt mrmph... (snip) >Finally, all rumors of Nephalim in notable numbers >overseeing construction of a temple complex somewhere >in the deserts of the Middle East are nothing more >than rumors... Ahh. Clever. Heh. You know, it occurs to me that celestials are extradimensional, too. Wonder if the whatever-it-is that allows humans to subconsciously recognize the essential _wrongness_ of Mythos-tainted entities woul be able to make the distinction? :) Moe "Yup, somebody's doing Cthulhu* stuff again. You think _that's_ bad? I just went into acute Muppet mode." Lane *The batwinged octopus guy, not the regular poster. At least, I _hope_ that they're not one and the same... ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> "Bright (nosed) College Days..." Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:49:56 -0400 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: Re: IN> "Bright (nosed) College Days..." >I'm not sure if I should jump in here or not, but >what the hey. (puzzled look) Why not? It's a free Internet. >> BTW, the offering >> thing is apparently real, or so says my girlfriend. >When I was looking to go there... admittedly this was >in '93... I didn't see evidence of it. Well, she apparently had walked by there one day, saw that _somebody_ was sacrificing Dr. Pepper and cigarettes to it, and told me later. It could have very easily been just an isolated incident, but hey! I figure that anybody who sees it who's from UMD won't quibble. They're fond of their turtle(s). :) >Amanda "yes, my school mascot is an orange and maroon >turkey, you got a problem with that?" Kilgore Depends. What are its worship Rites? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Balticon Anyone else going to it this weekend? I'm going to have a good deal of free time while my girlfriend LARPs, and there's a limit to how long I can haunt the dealer's room. Alas, I'm not signed up for any games, but there's always pickup IN games - or just BSing. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:20:36 +0200 From: 95101543 <95101543@si.hhs.nl> Subject: Re: IN> Balticon Maurice Lane wrote: > > Anyone else going to it this weekend? I'm going to > have a good deal of free time while my girlfriend > LARPs, and there's a limit to how long I can haunt the > dealer's room. Alas, I'm not signed up for any games, > but there's always pickup IN games - or just BSing. > :) > > Moe > I wish I could, but I live to far *wails* netherlands is way to far *L* but soon we have our gencon here!!! Edwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:30:48 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: IN> CONVENTION: Los Angeles, CA, USA This weekend, at the Westin Los Angeles Airport, a fabulous gaming convention. Especially interesting may be the In Nomine tournament. There will be In Nomine games in a majority of the time slots from Friday (8pm) to Saturday(Midnight). The finals for the tournament are on Sunday. For any session other than the finals, you can just sign up. Last time we had plenty of people, both experienced and totally new. It was a blast and since I'm running some of the games again, I wanted to see if we could get even more people down there. (Obviously, if you don't live in the general area, you are still invited but we will understand if you can't make it.) Sean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:30:30 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> CONVENTION: Baycon All right, it's not Balticon with Moe or a gaming con in Los Angeles with Sean, but I *should* mention I'm going to be at Baycon in San Jose for the folks more Northernly/Bay-Arealy in California. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast - --- Phillip Des Jardins wrote: > As for Words, I specifically didn't swap anyone, with > the possible > exceptions of Gabriel/Belial (still mulling over them). > I wanted each to be > an honest approximation of their Fallen/Redeemed selves. > I got a lot of my > inspiration from seeing other people's write-ups on some > of them (Most > notably Maurice's Oops Cycle and I think it was Micheal > Walton who did Fallen Novalis and Micheal). I did Novalis, Princess of Thorns, but Fallen Michael wasn't me. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:41:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Backwards or Low Contrast Some alternate suggestions (from the Anti-Nomine idea that I'll probably never get to do anything with). My additions are in parentheses. > Blandine: Princess of Desires (Fantasy) > Dominic: Prince of Tyranny (Condemnation) > Eli: Prince of Plagues (Destruction/Entropy) > Janus: Prince of Chaos (I thought of the exact same thing) > Jean: Prince of Insanity (Storms) > Jordi: Prince of the Jungle (Beasts) > Khalid: Prince of Fanaticism (another one we duplicated) > Michael: Prince of Betrayal (Violence; but I like yours better) > Zadkiel: Princess of Isolation (Violation) > > Asmodeus: Archangel of Justice (yet another one we did the same -- great minds think alike!) > Fleurity: Archangel of Relief (Temperance) > Lucifer: Archangel of Light (OK, this one was a no-brainer) > Vapula: Archangel of Knowledge (Invention) Just my 2 cents. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2237 - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > As for promotion being Shedite, I don't think so. After > all Kyriotates are > possesors, I think it's the logical step that alot of > them believe humanity > needs to be dominated at crucial points. Yes, but Kyrios who slip from doing it for the Host's good to doing it because of what they think is right are in serious danger of Falling. Kyriotate possession fills in the gaps in Human ability to improve the Host's condition. Shedite possession assumes that the talking monkeys can't do anything right, so a Celestial has to step in. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:52:41 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> "Bright (nosed) College Days..." Maurice Lane wrote: > >Amanda "yes, my school mascot is an orange and maroon > >turkey, you got a problem with that?" Kilgore > no Problems from me; I am not even sure what my school mascot is (was)... I am not the first to suggest that graduates refer to San Jose State University as the Alma It Don't Matter. The home university of the Demon of Apathy. Hey, would apathy be a Prince Level word? I could see it. "nothing matter, so do whatever you want." In a lot of ways, it would be in direct competition with Lilith, I think. By the way, I would also point out, on an a totally different tangent, that this is not the first time a College mascot has been co opted for game purposes. The UC Santa Cruz Banana Slug is an official entity in Changeling from WW. And yes, they really are the Fighting Banana Slugs. My wife went there, I lived there. It really is that strange. -Daiv, tech writer in service to coffee, in search of a superior. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> You know, none of these guys are infallible. - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Matthew > Mercurian Master of Finances > Angel of Entertainment This I like. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2238 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.