From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri May 25 17:13:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07814 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:13:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA17106 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 25 May 2001 17:11:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:11:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200105252211.RAA17106@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2242 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2242 In this digest: IN> Knock on wood IN> Archangel of Secrets Re: IN> Archangel of Secrets Re: IN> Welcome to Fantasy Island Re: IN> Asian Archangel Re: IN> Archangel of Secrets Re: IN> IN CCG? Re: IN> IN CCG? Re: IN> So, who's creating the skirmish/wargame? (Bright smile) Re: IN> IN CCG? Re: IN> IN CCG? IN> Selling some IN sourcebooks/relations between characters Re: IN> Selling some IN sourcebooks/relations between characters Re: IN> relations between characters IN> May 28, 2001 (MW) IN> Consider: The Defiant Re: IN> Consider: The Defiant IN> My apologies Re: IN> May 28, 2001 (MW) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Knock on wood Hopefully, this will get through: I've switched/added viewing options. Anyway ... what did I want to ask, again? Oh, yeah: has anyone done a 'Consider' from the POV of a Pagan Soldier yet? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:33:24 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Archangel of Secrets There's an idea. Does anyone think they're should be an Archangel of Secrets who protects the ineffable and divine truth? It might be fun and give them powers to appear ineffable and perhaps even thrawt resonances. It might give judgement extreme coniption fits about them and allow for lots of conspiracies but if he and his servitors act completely honest.... hehehe - -Charlemagne P.S. Does anyone know when the Collection is going to be updated? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:36:25 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Archangel of Secrets At 04:33 PM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote: >P.S. Does anyone know when the Collection is going to be updated? The INC will be updated as soon as I can connect to the server on which it's being hosted. (Yes, I know what the problem is, and it's going to be about a week before I can fix it.) The pages themselves haven't been updated for a while, due to my focus being on HTMLing rather than linking. Currently I have about 150 files ready to be linked - just as soon as I can get my access back. FYI. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Welcome to Fantasy Island - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Roarke > Elohim of Dreams > Master of the Realms of Night > Master of Divine Knowledge > The Seneschal of Fantasy Island Heh. This was talked about a while back, but this is the first write-up I've seen. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Asian Archangel - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Shang-Ti > > Archangel of Bureaucracy This version makes more sense. One wonders what the Ethereal Shang-Ti would think of him, though. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Archangel of Secrets - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > There's an idea. > > Does anyone think they're should be an Archangel of > Secrets who protects the > ineffable and divine truth? > > It might be fun and give them powers to appear ineffable > and perhaps even > thrawt resonances. > > It might give judgement extreme coniption fits about them > and allow for lots > of conspiracies but if he and his servitors act > completely honest.... See my post for Raziel, Angel of Mysteries as a Superior next week (I'm almost done with it). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I for one woud be very interested David, I hope to hear more about this CCG.


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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:48:04 -0700 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> IN CCG? I'd love to see this. I know I'd buy it. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:52:53 -0700 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> So, who's creating the skirmish/wargame? (Bright smile) > Hey, we could have a Fairie Meat/Relievers cross-over game . . . Eww. Eww. Eww. What's worse is that I know I'd play it, too. Or you could just do it with Gremilins and Imps and it would work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:00:09 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> IN CCG? I think a basic look at that one CCG, _Redemption_, might prove a good idea. In it, two players tried to "redeem" Lost Soul cards, while battling various evil things. The basic concept would probably work for IN; instead of a CCG, try a customizable game (a'la Mystick:Domination or INWO, when you consider the factory set) with a deck per Superior. The idea of using Jyhad-style mechanics is nifty (as Jyhad is up there with L5R in the "good multiplayer" category), but instead of attempting to drain an opponents resources, it would involve attempting various agendas that would serve Heaven/Hell in general and your Superior in particular. This would include leading mortals to Destinies/Fates, establishing Tethers, and other "permanent" moves. (Action cards would represent general influence moves and strikes against the Other Side.) Certain agendas would be worth more points for certain Superiors, making Angel-on-Angel or Demon-on-Demon play possible. And no matter what, I think an Intervention mechanic ought to be in the game. If not IN's d666, then maybe something to do with play of cards, but more complex than a simple "Divine/Infernal Intervention" card. If anyone's discussing this off-list, I wouldn't mind contributing. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:40:11 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> IN CCG? >*nod* I've got a long-standing fondness for Netrunner, but Jyhad comes very >close. I'm into Netrunner as well, and the Sailor Moon CCG (looking for online games on weekends for these), and like most CCG'ers, had experience with MtG before I decided that it was getting out of hand and sold off. >>So, is there any real interest here? > >I'd be interested in such a venture. I dig system and setting translation, >and will do so at the drop of a hat. :) I certainly appreciate a good problem in game theory, and game design also sounds like an interesting challenge. Hey, my math and physics degrees might even come in useful. ;^) Dunno if I'm as fit for it as the regular IN'ers, though, since my experience comes via G:IN, and I bet a lot of the translations will be from regular rules. On the other hand, if it's not a problem, or maybe even an advantage, I'm there. Lemme know. >* * * * * >Jason Schneiderman, Editor, EDITORIAL HUMOR. E-mail: edhumor@tiac.net William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:50:43 -0700 From: Sean K Reynolds Subject: IN> Selling some IN sourcebooks/relations between characters Having looted them as much as I can, I'm selling some of my older IN books on eBay (plus, I'm moving, so it helps reduce clutter). If you're interested, here are the links: Revelations I-V: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1600270640 Angelic PG, Infernal PG, Liber Reliquarium: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1600271055 On a game-related note ... I've run all-angel and all-demon groups before. The demons always got along with each other better than the angels did (the demons cooperated willingly in all of their schemes, while the angels treated the city as the site of a "turf war" between individual PCs). What are your experiences in this area? - - Sean Win a copy of my Into The Dragon's Lair adventure .... http://www.seankreynolds.com/contest ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:48:48 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Selling some IN sourcebooks/relations between characters Our spies report that on 08:50 PM 5/24/01 -0700, Sean K Reynolds said: >On a game-related note ... I've run all-angel and all-demon groups >before. The demons always got along with each other better than the >angels did (the demons cooperated willingly in all of their schemes, >while the angels treated the city as the site of a "turf war" between >individual PCs). What are your experiences in this area? Part of it, I think, is that if a demon party is disinclined to cooperate by nature, the game wouldn't be happening. With angels, on the other hand, often the party justification is 'We all serve Heaven.' which isn't necessarily enough. On a related note, we have found in our games that "Angels Do More Damage." Basically, the demon parties are always paranoid, looking over their shoulders for Malakim and trying desperately to avoid unwanted attention from angels and other demons. Angels in our games tend to be a lot less concerned for some reason and as a result will make more noise...also, demons tend to be practical about everything (selfishness tends to do this) while angels are much more willing to let the ends justify the means when the ends are serving Heaven. It's not entirely right, but it happens this way a lot, especially at conventions. Sean p.s. SKR -- Nice job on that other little thing you did. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> relations between characters - --- Sean K Reynolds wrote: > On a game-related note ... I've run all-angel and > all-demon groups > before. The demons always got along with each other > better than the > angels did (the demons cooperated willingly in all of > their schemes, > while the angels treated the city as the site of a "turf > war" between > individual PCs). What are your experiences in this area? I've only run angel groups, and they always got along fine. I did have one problem player in one of them, though, but I suspect that he would've been difficult no matter what I was running (angels, demons, or something besides IN). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> May 28, 2001 (MW) I know this is early, but I'll be away from the computer all weekend. Enjoy! The Unknown Soldier Spirit of Bravery Forces: 13 Corporeal/5 (Strength/10, Agility/10) Ethereal/3 (Intelligence/5, Precision/7) Celestial/5 (Perception/10, Will/10) Suggested Word Forces: 7-10 (fluctuates according to the global political situation) Vessels: Human male/6, Human female/3 Skills: Fighting/5, Knowledge (Geography/4, Military History/6), Languages (any/3), Large Weapon (Sword/2), Medicine/1, Move Silently/3, Ranged Weapon (Pistol/4, Rifle/6), Running/2, Small Weapon (Knife/3), Survival/3, Swimming/1, Tactics/4, Tracking/1 Songs: Form (Ethereal/3), Healing (all/2), Shields (Corporeal/4) Attunements: Just a Grunt (the Soldier has a nondescript appearance; anyone who sees him must make a Perception roll minus the spirit's Celestial Forces to remember him once they leave his presence), Spirit of Bravery (The spirit is immune to fear from any source, and can confer this immunity to other beings with a rousing speech. This lasts for a number of minutes equal to five x the spirit's Ethereal Forces). Rites: *Sing the national anthem of any nation (all verses). *Inspire troops in battle. The Unknown Soldier is an ancient spirit, possibly as old as war itself. There are confirmed reports of him fighting alongside the Israelites in the taking of the Promised Land. It was only during the 20th century that he was named. The Soldier represents the capacity for heroism within the hearts of common men. He usually appears as a "grunt" soldier (i.e. a buck private, airman basic or seaman). He has been seen in the guise of a grizzled NCO, but never as a commissioned officer. In the past the Unknown Soldier only adopted male guises, but recent years have seen female manifestations; the spirit was a WAC at least once during World War II. It is unknown exactly how the Unknown Soldier came to be allied with Uncle Sam, but the two are often seen together. Angels of Dreams speculate that the pair got together when Arlington National Cemetery became a Tether to Bravery. Naturally, this happened when the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was built. Since Uncle Sam already held Arlington in high regard, alliance with the spirit who held the Tether was only logical. The Unknown Soldier does not serve the Word of America, however; his Word transcends both geographic and ideological boundaries. The Soldier concerns himself with acts of heroism committed by common soldiers everywhere, especially when the hero knows that he'll get no glory from such actions. Those who make supreme sacrifices without ever having their names remembered are his favorites. The Unknown Soldier got his first Tether at Thermopylae thanks to the act of a soldier whose name is forgotten but whose deed lives on. The Soldier has since inspired or assisted acts of bravery in every major nation on Earth, and probably some of the minor ones, too. With full-scale wars becoming less common, he is seen less frequently than before. The last confirmed sighting was during WWII when the Soldier inspired Cook's Mate Dorie Miller to man a machinegun during a Japanese attack. After the battle, both Miller and the Soldier were sent back to the kitchen. The Archangels of War and Stone make no secret of their respect for the Unknown Soldier. Michael and David have issued general "hands off" orders concerning the spirit to all of their angels. The Tsayadim and Laurence's Border Guardians don't feel obligated to abide by such rules, but Malakim who seek out the spirit and Resonate him usually walk away hanging their heads in shame -- the Unknown Soldier's purity may be questioned, but his honor never will be. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:03:05 -0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: IN> Consider: The Defiant Yeah, I know all about the war, and frankly I couldn't give two figs. Heaven and Hell? they're both as bad as each other. I lived a good life, didn't break the law, worked 9-5 supporting a family. Thought I was set. Ha. right. Turns out the company I worked for was part owned by demons. Well, we all have bosses from hell right? I didn't know that at the time, but apparently ignorance isn't a defence where angels are concerned. It was nothing spectacular. There were no black-winged angels with flaming swords (although I've seen a few of them since). Just three guys in suits. I thought they were IRS or something, since they wanted to look at the financial records and employee details. Being the company accountant, it was my job to deal with them. Gave them everything they wanted, was as helpful as i could be. But I swear on my mothers grave, the ledgers they gave me back didn't match the ledgers i'd given them. Oh, they looked the same, and it was even the same handwriting, but the accounts didn't add up after that. Well, to cut short story shorter, the _real_ IRS turned up out of the blue two days later and shut the company down. I lost my job, my wife left me, and I hit the bottle. A few months later, I was drinking myself into a stupor in some backstreet bar when in walks one of the B*stards who lost me my job. he walks straight over to me, bold as brass and tries to appologise. Well, naturally I swung for him. faster than thought, he grabbed my wrist in a vice-like grip, and pinned my arm to the table. Strong as an Ox wasn't in it. Then all of a sudden I feel all lethargic, and the anger drains out of me. The guy explains that what they did was part of a "Higher Plan", and that he was sorry that they had caused so much "collateral damage". Collateral Damage? They F*cked my life up! Anyway, he says he sought me out because he had seen I had potential to become a Soldier... Yeah, like the army would take an overweight drunkard like me. He said that wasn't what he meant, and then proceeded to explain a little about whats really going on in the world. _Thats_ when i found out i'd been working for demons. He offered me a chance to turn my life around and do something worthwhile. Worthwhile! I was doing fine until him and his halo buddies screwed everything six ways from sunday. But what was I going to say? This was an Angel for god's sake! Well, I told him to go take a flying leap, and walked out of the bar. Seems word travels well between both sides. a few days later, some punk in leather sidles up to me in the street, and requested that i follow him. requested, with a magnum backing it up. Apparently they'd got word of what i'd said to the Angel, and wanted to give me protection, in return for going back to work for them. By now, I was getting a little tired of this. Thankfully I knew the bar he took me to, and knew they were kinda intollerent around here. I leapt back, shouting "Queer!" and pointing at the demon. Sure enough four burly trailer-trash types immediately decided they'd do their civic duty and pound the "fruit" into the ground. I didn't hang around. I always thought we had some measure of control over our lives. Turns out I was dead wrong. Well I'm not going to have some metaphysical War take over my life. Humanity can stand on it's own two feet. Like me. I'm not going to be pushed around, or puppeted. Heh. the angel was right. Now I'm doing something worthwhile. I'm hunting down any of these "Celestials" that are messing with ordinary people, and I'm sending 'em back where they came from. Turns out i'm not the only one who thinks humanity is a no-go area. We (and no, i'm not telling you who the others are) keep tabs on whats going on, warn each other about what the celestials are up to, and if we find them taking advantage of innocent people, we deal with them. I don't care how impressive a Malakite is in close combat, a bazooka shell still turns them to mush. Sure, it's a dangerous life, but what other life have I got? and the way I see it, The more of them we kill, the sooner they learn that we're not to be kicked around. - -FallenSeraph "I still believe in God, but He no longer believes in me..." http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Consider: The Defiant I like. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 None of your plans for success will work unless you do. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:29:48 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> My apologies Yesterday was almost a test post. A method in fact of "rushing" the process of a digest process that I was worried was somehow stuck by no-one posting and was hoping to get comments. I'm afraid Technical difficulty never played a part in my mind of what might be responsible for my not recieving my digest. So please forgive the large ammount posted yesterday. My apologies to beth. - -Charlemagne. OCC: I don't suppose someone could send me any comments to what I wrote or something they had? I also would appreciate anyone who wants to show the topics they missed since the archive doesn't seem to work either ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:05:52 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> May 28, 2001 (MW) Lovely. Happy Memorial Day. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2242 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.