From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Jun 1 20:06:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31334 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:06:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id UAA25951 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:05:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:05:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200106020105.UAA25951@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2250 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, June 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2250 In this digest: IN> Re: Call for Papers IN> Mirror In Nomine : Celestial Mechanics 1 - Angels IN>Contest Idea IN> TV programmes Nybbas will never show. Re: IN> TV programmes Nybbas will never show. Re: IN> Re: Call for Papers Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards Re: IN>Contest Idea Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards IN> A demonic parable.... Re: IN> A demonic parable.... Re: IN> A demonic parable.... IN> An Angelic Parable Re: IN>Contest Idea IN> Departing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:46:37 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Call for Papers > Prometheus > Expatriate Titan > Spirit of Enlightenment Eep! Well done. Prometheus was a brilliant choice. (Of course, the fact that Uriel gutted the guy who had Prometheus chained to a mountain to have his liver eaten daily is completely unrelated to his views). James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:49:44 -0500 From: Santiago Subject: IN> Mirror In Nomine : Celestial Mechanics 1 - Angels Mechanics In this world, the fundamental division between Heaven and Hell isn't about selflessness versus selfishness. Instead, it's more about conformity versus choice. Heaven wants everyone to work as their part of the divine plan, furthering along the course of the universe as they see it. Hell feels people should be free to make their own choices about how to lead their existence, and that helping the greater good isn't always best if it causes large amounts of localized suffering. It's meant to played with a fairly authoritarian, ends-justify-the-means Heaven, and a freedom-fighting heroically roguish Hell. In general, the contrast level will be fairly low, though it can be turned up to really make Heaven into the bad guys, if you so wish. The brightness, on the other hand, will probably be mid-high, as there no overriding source of EVIL out to have its way with everyone. Also, the conflict between Heaven and Hell is much more low key. Outright violence is rare, with propaganda and psychological warfare being the primary vehicles of attack. Indeed, no superior has ever been slain by the other side, though a few have gotten too frisky and been put down by their own kind. Destiny and Fate are also redefined. Fulfilling one's Destiny involves being a perfect cog in the divine plan, and fitting in with the expectations of society and others. It requires the complete surrender of individual goals to the goals of the group whenever such may be in conflict. Fulfilling one's Fate involves thoroughly distinguishing oneself as an individual, and making a unique contribution to the universe that has repercussions of some sort, however faint and distant. Heaven is relatively sparsely populated, as most souls move on after a while towards the Higher Heavens, to presumably merge with God, or move on to the next stage of the divine plan, or something like that (no one that gets to Heaven questions this). For the most part, the job of enforcing said divine will is left to the Angels, as it was meant to be, though most souls do serve for a time, willingly donating extra essence to the cause. Hell is an entirely different place from that of the canon world. Humans aren't tortured for essence, and there is a general order to the place, though by no means a stifling one; it resembles an idealized anarchist commune more than anything else. Anyone who doesn't play nice (attacks others, steals things for no good reason) will soon have to face the attention of some rather large and imposing beings who have an interest in making sure that trouble doesn't break out on their home turf. There's a fairly long waiting list of humans wanting to be rebuilt into Evim, and people on it spend much of their time providing essence for those at the head of the line, though they do so voluntarily. There's also a bunch of people who don't have any desire to go back to Earth, and who spend the now-infinite time available to them pursuing whatever they fancy. The Ethereals, being sprung from the minds of humans and not having been designed by God (as far as anyone knows), are not considered part of the divine plan and thus not looked upon too kindly by Angels. They are nearly one and all closely allied with Hell, which finds any idea that so enthused someone that it came to life certainly worthy of attention. There are two celestial tongues--Inflected, spoken by Heaven, and Positional, spoken by Hell. Inflected adds shades of meaning, emotions, and ambiguity by modulating the original form, while positional inserts additional subtle subnotes between the chords of the original. As it is actually a subset of the celestial languages that they do use, all Angels and Demons know Archaic Celestial, in which lying is impossible, and it is the only common tongue between the two in celestial form. To a speaker of one of the two modern celestial languages, the other sounds like fragments of gibberish in Archaic Celestial, with no discernible meaning. While the modern forms are used for most tasks, for something important the speaker will use the Archaic form, to indicate the seriousness of the matter and trustworthiness of the speaker. While Archaic cannot be spoken in corporeal form, either of the modern forms can, but it'll sound very odd, and not the least bit like speech, to any human listening. (The additions of the new languages warp the original sufficiently to allow its otherwise perfect notes to exist on the imperfect corporeal realm.) Castes of Angels: Seraphim Seraphim, in addition to being investigators of the truth, are also charged with the duty of showing this truth to others. They can be quite convincing speakers when attempting to bring about someone to their side, as miraculously perceiving the convictions of the person speaking to you can be very persuasive. In addition to their basic resonance from In Nomine, Seraphim may also impress upon a subject the Truth of any statement. With a successful *Will* roll, the listener will see the Truth behind a statement uttered by the Seraph (which must be true--the Seraph may not lie here, or it automatically fails). Treat this as if the listener were a Seraph that had just successfully resonated that statement with the check digit earned by the actual Seraph. This only works on statements made by the Seraph; it can't be used on any third party source. Cherubim Cherubim are the appointed guardians of humanity, watching over them and making sure they do not stray from the paths devised for them. Cherubim have the same resonance as in canon In Nomine, but their dissonance condition is that they may not take any action to help move their attuned closer to their Fate (such as encouraging individuality or rebelliousness), or personally harm them. They will try and prevent others from harming them, though it is not actually dissonant for them to fail to prevent this, just emotionally painful. Ofanim Ofanim are as in canon In Nomine, though with the absence of Malakim, their most common role is as the actual warriors in the army of Heaven. Elohim Elohim are as in canon In Nomine, though they make up a proportionally larger share of the Host. Their keen objectivity and ability to determine what must be done to get a plan to operate make them valuable to the Heaven of Mirror In Nomine. Kyriotates Kyriotates are as in canon In Nomine. In addition, their hosts, upon return to their bodies, have a vague feeling of having taken part in something bigger than themselves for some higher purpose, though they have no specific memories. This sensation can be addictive, sometimes to the point where not being possessed by a Kyriotate can become painful. Mercurians Mercurians are as in canon In Nomine. Their job is to help people realize how they weave into society at large through their relations with others. Grigori Grigori are as in GURPS In Nomine (which has been translated to In Nomine and put up on the web at a URL I can't remember). Obviously, they were never outcast, and there's far, far more of them than were ever created in canon In Nomine. Aside from watching for demonic interference, they use their closeness to the human perspective to try and engage people in thoughtful discussions about why higher purposes are necessary for personal fulfillment. [To be continued in a future post due to size limitations...] - -- - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:47:32 -0700 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: IN>Contest Idea I was just sitting here thinking, and I came up with an idea that you all might find interesting. For a while now on the list, we've been talking about the fact that IN seems to be stagnating in the markets. I think that perhaps I may have an idea that might jump-start it. My idea is a design contest. Here on the list, we're always coming up with new Archangels, Demon Princes, variations on themes, and what not. In fact, Moe Lane has an entire alternate history (one of at least two that I know of from him) running. Why not ask Steve Jackson to run a publicized open contest, where people would submit their designs for new Archangels and Demon Princes for the series. Please hear me out on this. In the main books, we have at least eight unclaimed Words, four to each side: Love, Laughter, Knowledge, and The Waters in Heaven's camp. Sloth, Corruption, Oblivion and Disease on Hell's side. My idea is that an open contest be run on the net and publicized as well, with the contest being to see who could design the best Archangel or Demon Prince of one of these open Words. The winner would earn a chance to work as a freelancer with SJ Games in the creation of perhaps a new Cycle: the New Contenders or something to that effect, and the resulting publicity should draw many people who otherwise would not have heard of IN to the game, increasing demand so that new books and supplements (the Ethereal Player's Guide, anyone?) started getting written and published? What do you all think? Charles Smith. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:20:06 +0100 From: "Dave" Subject: IN> TV programmes Nybbas will never show. Knight Rider - A Kyriotate of Jean, bound into the vessel of a Pontiac fights the Diabolocal with the aid of Michael Knight - Soldier of God. The A -Team - In 1972 a crack commando unit of Eli's was branded Heretical for a crime they didn't commit. These Angels promptly escaped into the Los Angeles Underground where they survive as Soldiers of God. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them maybe you can hire the A Team. Monkey! - Servants of Jordi trying to help a saint take sacred scrolls to a far away tether Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Soldier of God and her "Watcher" fighting to save the world from undead, demons and the like. Prey - 'cause it was really, really bad Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> TV programmes Nybbas will never show. Sick, guy, real sick. But for a list of programs that they show in Shal-Mari, check out the movie "Stay Tuned" -- especially the closing credits. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:39:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Call for Papers - --- james walker wrote: > Eep! Well done. Prometheus was a brilliant choice. > > (Of course, the fact that Uriel gutted the guy who had > Prometheus chained to > a mountain to have his liver eaten daily is completely > unrelated to his views). Uhhh... right! Of course! Completely objective, that! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards - --- Phillip Des Jardins wrote: > Hariah, Seraph of Yves > The Angel of Just Rewards > All in all, a nice fellow. For the truly selfless, yes. But it occurs to me that his Word also encompasses just punishment. To people who deserve that, he wouldn't be quite so nice. Great idea, BTW. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 05:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Contest Idea - --- edenesque@juno.com wrote: > My idea is a design contest. Here on the list, we're > always coming up > with new Archangels, Demon Princes, variations on themes, > and what not. > In fact, Moe Lane has an entire alternate history (one of > at least two > that I know of from him) running. Why not ask Steve > Jackson to run a > publicized open contest, where people would submit their > designs for new > Archangels and Demon Princes for the series. !!! It's got my vote! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:57:56 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards - --On Friday, June 1, 2001 5:42 AM -0700 Michael Walton wrote: > > For the truly selfless, yes. But it occurs to me that > his Word also encompasses just punishment. To people who > deserve that, he wouldn't be quite so nice. > No, that'd be the Angel of Wrist Slaps. Westcott, Malakite of Judgement IST Novalis. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Why are you all looking at me like that?") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:24:33 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:57:56 -0400, Marc Bowden wrote: >No, that'd be the Angel of Wrist Slaps. Westcott, Malakite of >Judgement IST Novalis. Write up! Write up! - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:21:08 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> A demonic parable.... *Done in Asmodeus's James Earl Jone's style voice to a group of gremlins and newly fledged demons of the Game* Once there was a Demon named Ahrimane.... Ahrimane was infamous as a Servitor of the Demon Prince of Corruption but to limit his service to long dead Beelzebub was very foolish because the demon made private pacts with Kobal, Baal, Malphas, and many others. Ahrimane did not care that he had allied with often opposing Princes because he always gave them what they wanted and made sure that he left his jobs with proper scape goats for the Game and with pleasant bounty to serve the interests of the words of the Prince he allied with. For Andrephalus he might leave a woman berift of a loving marriage and devoted now to starting a sex cult while offering her husband and family to Saminga and Belial in a terrible blaze as he routinely confounded the angels of Uriel in capturing and destroying him. The demon whose band is irrelevant was gifted with a silver tongue and was surprisingly always able to convince his Superior or the other superiors who rewarded him that he was actually spying, allied, or somehow advatageously positioned for them in the service of the other Prince whose distinction he had. There was something innately likeable about Ahrimane and his simple and joyful devotion to the cause of evil. To read his littany of titles would sound like a listing of the distinctions Princes give on record and would take several minutes of time that would be better spent seeking the traitors among us. Beelzebub was pleased with his servitor though and routinely offered him the chance for a word but Ahrimane graciously declined saying that he believed he could better serve the Prince of Corruption in a fashion without such tied down methods and of course told the truth to aid in this lie in the hint he was working toward something grand. Upon Beelzebub's death, Ahrimane commited such a grand series of evil deeds that to this day it is forbidden to speak of them for fear demons would destroy themselves trying to repeat the genius of the plan or lose themselves in despair to such intricate weavings that they could never match. Ahrimane then approached the ultimate evil Lucifer and finally petitioned for a word as Lucifer relaxed in a den of poisonous substance. Ahrimane to Lucifer's questions of what he would do if he was Granted the Word he asked for; Sin, Evil, Temptation, the word was grand and many of them might be the true one. I of course know the word but will not share it with such creatures as you. His plans and schemes were intricate and involved taking the word and it's resulting power far beyond what Beelzebub had ever acomplished and dreamed of to tear down Heaven by it's roots and manipulate his brother Princes to serve the cause fully of promoting darkness and plague. Lucifer listened in a half daze from his chemicals before looking at hookah and saying.... "You know this stuff is really bad. It's the stupid week old water at the bottom." and Ahrimane recieved his word. The Moral of this Story: You recieve nothing but what we give you no matter what your merits. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> A demonic parable.... - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > The Moral of this Story: You recieve nothing but > what we give you no matter > what your merits. (snicker) Yeah, that sounds like a story Azzie would popularize. To a T. :) moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A demonic parable.... - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > The Moral of this Story: You recieve nothing but what we > give you no matter what your merits. That's just plain wrong, Charles. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:55:36 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> An Angelic Parable *Said in Christopher's light whispy voice to a group of crowded relievers with many hand motions and noises* Once long ago there was an angel named Trinity who was a servant of Children and she was filled with the Love of God and a passion for improving mortal rights. Trinity's faith in the divine plan was absolute and never once did she doubt her master's will was for the best. Eventually after many years of service in our beutiful land she was chosen by me to go out into the world and spread the joy of God. The Earth was a frightening and terrifying place to her however because instead of being a joy to help, many thought it was a burden. Children were forced to live in conditions adults would collapse from, they're voices were silent, and there were much worse things including terrible disease and clouded skies that blotted out the sun even as humans prayed from the rain that never came from it, at least with anything drinkable. With all the power of Heaven she could not understand why they could not simply end all of humanity's ills. If humanity needed food then why did not Heaven give it to them? If they lacked love why did they not comfort them? If a person slept in filth why was it not cleaned? I took her then on a journey where there were many awful things from camps where men and women were gunned down because they chose to say God went by another name, I took her to a brothel where girls barely out of swaddling clothes did acts they did not understand or could appreciate...and in many cases did not not want because adults found it arousing, I took her to see a demon who had butchered many and I made her watch it's head caved in and soul-death from a servitor of Michael. I showed her that humans caused terrible ills and possesed awful appetites and I showed her what celestial also did to each other during the war to stop or encourage this. Trinity was shaken to the Core and for the first time she wondered why God would have created a planet where such horrors would be done...why he could create a race like humanity and the angels above them who could do such things to each other. I said to her it was out of love for them that they could make their own mistakes and horrors.... she said unto me "And does a mother let her child wander into the street when he is first walking unaware of the oncomming cars?" My response was that some mother's did and she broke her heart before casting herself down onto the Earth, believing in the innate evil and horrors of the world. She believed that God had created this world to satisfy some sadistic joy for pleasure and was a Demon Prince worse than Lucifer, she doubted even God existed for it seemed easier to believe random chance created the planet I showed her than to believe an entity could be made enough to make it. Many years passed and the tales of Trinity, now called One were many. She spoke to angels and demons both trying to get them to end their war and ended many times in Limbo before she returned to lash out and butcher them both, believing humanity should walk it's own path. She spoke to humans to give of their plenty to the less fortunate but fearful they and their families would suffer should they heed her beat and raped her. She encouraged the less fortunate to rise up and destroy the plentiful but afterwards they came to oppress others. Turning inward One did nothing and eventually to glut her conscience slept with many mortals as she tasted of their narcotics, power, and wealth. Finally at my doorstep she emerged shaking with dissonance and asked if she could return to my service. "Why?" I asked. "I long for some sense of purpose....I have none and remember dimly some sense of who I was long ago." "Then my answer is no. Return to me in a year and a day after observing humanity. Abide by God's laws and listen to the Symphony around you." A year and a day passed and through that time I kept watch with my minions comming along occasionally to pass on advice or service. "I come to you to return to god's service." she said. "Why?" I asked. "Because I choose to better myself by bettering the world. God I see is a far reaching father who never left me in the Symphony....I chose to leave him though and only by locking me up could he have kept me so away. I have done all the things humans have and the fallen yet I am certain he still loves me and hopes I may become bright and beutiful in a way that can only be discovered and accepted not given. I believe he hopes it for all the fallen mortal and elsewise." she said to me and was reborn a pure angel of my service anew. The Moral of the Story: We cannot allow evil to continue but it is a part of the price we pay for growing up that we cannot destroy it alone. With patience, love, and strength of will we can return to the childhood we pass from God made us in and that childhood is everlasting. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:32:21 -0600 From: "Brad Julius" Subject: Re: IN>Contest Idea

I for one think this is an awesome idea, and would back it up fully. Personally I would prefer it to be merely an open contest, with any Word being up for grabs, as I've made a few myself that maybe interesting.
>From: edenesque@juno.com

>Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com
>To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com
>Subject: IN>Contest Idea
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:47:32 -0700
>
> I was just sitting here thinking, and I came up with an idea that you
>all might find interesting. For a while now on the list, we've been
>talking about the fact that IN seems to be stagnating in the markets. I
>think that perhaps I may have an idea that might jump-start it.
>
> My idea is a design contest. Here on the list, we're always coming up
>with new Archangels, Demon Princes, variations on themes, and what not.
>In fact, Moe Lane has an entire alternate history (one of at least two
>that I know of from him) running. Why not ask Steve Jackson to run a
>publicized open contest, where people would submit their designs for new
>Archangels and Demon Princes for the series. Please hear me out on this.
>In the main books, we have at least eight unclaimed Words, four to each
>side: Love, Laughter, Knowledge, and The Waters in Heaven's camp. Sloth,
>Corruption, Oblivion and Disease on Hell's side. My idea is that an open
>contest be run on the net and publicized as well, with the contest being
>to see who could design the best Archangel or Demon Prince of one of
>these open Words. The winner would earn a chance to work as a freelancer
>with SJ Games in the creation of perhaps a new Cycle: the New Contenders
>or something to that effect, and the resulting publicity should draw many
>people who otherwise would not have heard of IN to the game, increasing
>demand so that new books and supplements (the Ethereal Player's Guide,
>anyone?) started getting written and published? What do you all think?
>
>Charles Smith.
>
>
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------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 21:06:28 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Departing I am off to the Mojave for two weeks of Marine Corps related fun, so I am taking myself off the list for now. Talk to you all when I get back. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2250 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.