From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jun 7 04:42:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26388 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 04:42:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id EAA20576 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 04:42:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 04:42:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200106070942.EAA20576@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2255 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, June 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2255 In this digest: Re: IN> Mark Fest - Servitor Attunements for Trade Re: IN> MarcFest Re: IN> MarcFest Re: IN> MarcFest Re: IN> Mark Fest - Servitor Attunements for Trade IN> Re: In Nomine Boot Camp IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2254 IN> Re: Demon of Kidnapping IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 1) IN> Dark Marcs... (Re: Dealing with the Redeemed/Servitors of Marc) Re: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 1) Re: IN> Re: In Nomine Boot Camp Re: IN> Re: In Nomine Boot Camp IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 2) Re: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 2) Re: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 2) Re: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 2) IN> Mark Fest - A Servitor Re: IN> MarcFest Re: IN> Mark Fest - A Servitor IN> MarcFest - New Discords Re: IN> Re: In Nomine Boot Camp IN> GIN House Rules updated Re: IN> MarcFest - New Discords IN> Twisted Revenge Fantasy Re: IN> Twisted Revenge Fantasy Re: IN> Twisted Revenge Fantasy IN> Cute comic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:32:48 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Mark Fest - Servitor Attunements for Trade >From: "james walker" > >CREDIT RATING > I like the title. Here's an alternative take. As the Archangel of Trade, Marc is particularly interested in the balance hanging over a man's soul, and in particular his tendencies towards generousity of spirit or mean-mindedness. With a successful Perception roll, the user of this attunement gains an idea of how close the victim (who he must be touching) is to either Heaven or Hell. The "balance" manifests as an entry on the statement that is sent to the holder of the attunement on a monthly basis (and yes, this means that the user of this attunement must wait for his next statement to find out what the credit rating revealed; or he can opt to pay to have an interrim statement printed out more quickly.) Demons and irredeemable hellsworn will normally show up on the statement as being morally bankrupt. Most Malakim of Trade immediately initiate liquidation. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> MarcFest Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:21:23 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> MarcFest >I'm declaring MarcFest - for the rest of the month >stuff I write for this list will have a decidedly >Trade-based bias as I explore an under respected >Superior. I'd appreciate other people joining in >and/or commenting on what I write. You going to do an extended... umm, no, that wouldn't be prudent, would it? The moratorium's going to eventually end, after all (knocking on wood). Anway, cross-genre stuff OK? I'm starting to get into this IN Fantasy cosmology concept*. :) Moe *It beats staring at Tattered Dominique and muttering, "I dunno, Pontus. What _is_ Justice?" (Although, thankfully, it's starting to gel - finally). ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:41:58 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> MarcFest I love throw away comments like this one moe. >Moe > >*It beats staring at Tattered Dominique and muttering, >"I dunno, Pontus. What _is_ Justice?" (Although, >thankfully, it's starting to gel - finally). Justice, hmm, well, thats doing the thing that makes the majority feel better about themselves and the fact they cant cope with what the minority has done so they shut down the minority in the name of what they call justice. Cas *feeling like a habbalite atm* _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> MarcFest - --- cassandra benner wrote: > Justice, hmm, well, thats doing the thing that makes the > majority feel > better about themselves and the fact they cant cope with > what the minority > has done so they shut down the minority in the name of > what they call justice. Justice is who's left after everybody else leaves. (Runs for cover) ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Mark Fest - Servitor Attunements for Trade - --- Jo Hart wrote: > >CREDIT RATING > As the Archangel of Trade, Marc is particularly > interested in the balance hanging over a man's soul This is really good, and expands into the abstract aspects of Marc's Word quite nicely. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 03:01:44 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: In Nomine Boot Camp > Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 > From: Maurice Lane > Well, while I'm here, I had a thought anyway. Over on > Pyramid, I've been trying to (quite unofficially) get > somebody - anybody - to come up with an original IN > product that could sell Well, it's only taken me three weeks, but: even the best trained Angels of War/Demons of The War need corporeal training, and there aren't many units which would be up to celestial standards: SEAL in the USA, the SAS in OZ/UK, Spetnaz in the East. So during training they're going to butt heads. And not only with each other; Soldiers, Sorcerers, Ethereals & Grigori will all want this level of training. And then there are the other 'unexplained' options. More importantly, they can't bust heads, not unless they're REALLY careful; their posting is more valuable than their vessel. So how about a GURPS (IN/IOU/Special Forces/WoD/Alien Races/Illuminati) supplement which is based around the various Off-Worlders gaining top flight military training, and 'playing' with each other while doing so? James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 03:16:45 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2254 > At 10:20 AM -0700 6/5/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >>OK, we start with the two races originally planned: >>Elves and Humans. Both of these come from God, and >>were planned to compliment each other (that's why they >>can interbreed). [...] >>Elves: God Race One. I want to make Lilith originally >>an Elf, and I'm not precisely sure why. Why not? I did think that for a In Nomine Middle Earth cross-over, the name Lilith could well be a corruption of Luthien.... > Ogres - Baal isn't precisely sure what he tossed into > the mix to get these guys, but it seems to have > worked. They make good shock troops: big, strong, > tough, willing to accept being told who to hit and > able to live off the land. Of course, Michael tries > to isolate and 'collect' the more disciplined ones > whenever he can, but you can't have everything. Proof that Baal did the better job, yes? James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 03:20:16 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Demon of Kidnapping > From: Michael Walton > Subject: Re: IN> MarcFest - Part I: The Angel of Weregilds > > - --- james walker wrote: >> Mr. Eric Fine >> Mercurian Friend of the Shareholders >> Angel of Weregilds > > Interesting. But I suspect that his counterpart, the > Demon of Kidnapping (Balseraph or Djinn of Theft, I'm not > sure yet) has a very unpleasant end planned for this guy. I look forward to seeing him. Just remember that a kidnapper needs someone to pay the ransoms! James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 1) As I said earlier, this Fantasy stuff's been percolating in my head. What the heck. For those who don't own SJG's flagship RPG, Goblins are these green skinny guys that run around a lot and get by on brains and reflexes. Nice bunch of people to know, if you like hyperactive fashion plates. They also tend to be big on making cash: to give you an idea, Goblins would have been right in the middle of the dot.com thing - and would have dropped it right before the roof caved in. IOW, Marc's perfect for these guys. :) Moe "So, you want to know about how Grikklipp - or as you Humans call him, Marc - created us. Pull up a cushion and I'll tell you. No, don't worry about paying me: you've bought this round and I like to talk. Afterwards, _I'll_ buy and you can tell me about _your_ race's origins. I've heard it before, but there's always a new detail to hear. "Anyway, you know how it all started, right? Lipp - that's God to you - decided to create the First Races of Man, some of his servants objected, the experiment that was supposed to solve everything didn't do anything of the sort and all of a sudden there was a War. Every child knows the story ... at least from the Human or Elf point of view. The other Races of Man have a different outlook. "From the Goblins' point of view, it all started after the First Races appeared on Earth, but before the Experiment. The Powers that Be were still trying to figure out what Lipp was up to by creating mortals, not to mention trying to work out how to incorporate them into their own plans. "Most of the Powers quickly found themselves having a particular affinity for either Elf, or Human, and acting accordingly. They don't concern us in this story: who I want to tell you about were three of the most powerful Powers, if you'll pardon the pun. "Now, these three had tried to work with what they had been given, but it just wasn't coming together properly. Humans and Elves are wonderful creations, but they aren't perfect for every situation - and the Three had problems that really needed specialists. They didn't want to alter the First Races, and they didn't want to make do with what they had, so they seemed stuck. "However, the oldest one of the three discovered one day what looked to be a store of Glik. You call it Primordial Clay. Being a sober sort of fellow, he first went to Lipp and said, 'Lipp, I have found an store of Glik.' He was a bit boring, too. "Lipp looked down and said, 'So _that's_ where it went! Outstanding work, Khedaklipp!' - that was the fellow's name, Khedzaklipp: you would call him Khedzak, or David - "Of course, I don't actually need it now, but it's nice to have the inventory settled.' "Khedzaklipp stood there for a moment, then nodded and turned to leave. Lipp sighed. 'Khedzaklipp...' "'Yes, Lipp?' "'I said, 'I don't actually need the Glik anymore.' "'I remember, Lipp, though not quite in those words.' "'It would be a shame to waste it, no?' "'Indeed, Lipp.' "Another pause. "Lipp sighed again, muttered 'Always spell it out with him' and spoke louder, saying, 'Khedzaklipp, as one of my most loyal servants, you have won a boon. Can you guess what it is?' "'I suppose, Lipp.' "There was yet another pause. "And, yea indeed, Lipp sighed for the third time and bade Khedzaklipp, 'Take the Glik with my blessing. Make sure you share it with your two friends, and show me the results before you start your production run.' "'And Khedzaklipp bowed and left the sight of Lipp, vaguely wondering why his Creator always had that bemused look by the end of the Power's visits." (Quiet commotion) "Why, yes, good Dwarf, I know that your people have a completely different version of our mutual origin story: stop scowling and wait your turn. See, the nice Human's buying you a beer in advance?" (Continued in Part II, coming soon!) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:41:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Dark Marcs... (Re: Dealing with the Redeemed/Servitors of Marc) At 10:31 PM -0400 6/5/01, S.D. wrote: >(I'll put it up. Eventually. Once I work out the little kinks like blatant >Lilith-plagarism, Just give page numbers and we're all cool here... O;> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:47:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 1) At 10:48 AM -0700 6/6/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >As I said earlier, this Fantasy stuff's been >percolating in my head. What the heck. > >For those who don't own SJG's flagship RPG, Goblins >are these green skinny guys [...] hyperactive fashion plates. >[...] big on making cash: Or, to get more detailed: "green...fashion plates...big on making cash." Are you sure they're _Marc's_? O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:45 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine Boot Camp jdwalker@cybermac.com.au (james walker) wrote: > Well, it's only taken me three weeks, but: > even the best trained Angels of War/Demons of The War need corporeal > training, and there aren't many units which would be up to celestial > standards: SEAL in the USA, the SAS in OZ/UK, Spetnaz in the East. So > during training they're going to butt heads. There's a really big problem with this idea. You need to pass some quite serious background checks to get into such units - a Role/6 is more or less necessary. You're also expected to spend quite a bit of time in them after training, and they keep an eye on you afterwards. Overall, there are lots of risks of blowing your cover. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:58:37 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine Boot Camp jdwalker@cybermac.com.au (james walker) wrote: > > Well, it's only taken me three weeks, but: > even the best trained Angels of War/Demons of The War need corporeal > training, and there aren't many units which would be up to celestial > standards: SEAL in the USA, the SAS in OZ/UK, Spetnaz in the East. So > during training they're going to butt heads. GURPS: In Nomine/Black Ops, anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 2) - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Or, to get more detailed: > "green...fashion plates...big on making cash." > > Are you sure they're _Marc's_? O:> Why, yes. ;) OK, seeing as the LE has apparently looked upon this and deemed it at-least-not-too-off-topic, we now continue with part 2. Moe Grikklipp Lipp Glik. Khedzaklipp "Now, where was I? "Oh, yes. Khedzaklipp had gotten his Glik, and (being a thoroughly obedient servant) summoned his two friends to share in it. Well, maybe 'friends' is the wrong word: one of them was his on-again, off-again love, and the other ... wasn't. "T'huulipp was the prettier one, I'll admit ... and so will you, once I refer to her by the Human name Novalis. She was also about the only one that could make Khedzaklipp come away from his forge and dance, so she must be something to see. The other one was Grikklipp, and the point to this entire story. He and Khedzaklipp have an interesting relationship: everybody thinks that they must be enemies, because they're always shouting at each other. However, Lipp help anyone that attacks either one in the other's presence. So, I guess you can call them friends. "Anyway, the three of them looked at the pile of Glik, and they got a little worried. It's one thing to talk about creating new life, another to sit down and do it. There are so many things to get wrong, after all. Grikklipp spoke first: "'Well,' he said. 'That's a lot of Glik.' Then he winced at how inane that sounded. "T'huulipp spoke up. 'Yes, but is it _enough_ Glik for the three of us? And is there enough different kinds of Glik to make what we want?' "Eh, what's that? 'Different kinds?' Ahh. Well, it's said among the Goblins that if you look closely at Glik, you'll see different strands and textures, representing various tendencies and abilities. Never having seen the stuff, I wouldn't know, but it _sounds_ right - and I see that our Dwarven friend is nodding, so he must have heard of this, too. "Anyway, the story doesn't make any sense otherwise, because at this point Grikklipp speaks up and says: "'Tell you what: we'll isolate out the basic Glik first and divide it up equally. Then we'll put the rest of it in seperate piles and you two can use it to make your creations. I'll make do with the basics.' "Neither of the others would hear of this, though, so Grikklipp thought for a moment. 'Alright,' he said, 'we'll still divide up the main Glik. The special bits, though... I'll take 10% of all of them in exchange for helping you divide up the rest. That way, I get to season my creation, and you two won't end up arguing with each other.' "So, the other two agreed, and they began to mix up their Glik into people. However, pretty soon Khedzaklipp realized that he needed just a bit more extra stolidness, and T'huulipp needed all of hers. Grikklapp offered to give him his, in exchange for some of Khedzaklipp's extra wits-Glik. The deal was struck. And that's why Goblins are a little smarter than usual, if a little impulsive. "Then, T'huulipp realized that she didn't have nearly as much strength as she thought she had... and she knew that Khedzaklipp was scraping up of that he could find. Luckily, Grikklapp was willing to trade all of his extra Strength-Glik (and a little extra) in exchange for her extra nimbleness-Glik. The deal was struck. And that's why Goblins may be weakish, but pretty speedy to make up for it. "And so it went. Grikklap was busy divvying up the various piles of Glik, taking his 10% and making sure that his two friends pretty much got what they needed. Because Grikklap's Glik-sculpture had so many different strands in it, it looked a bit different than the others, but that was OK. It was a good sculpture, if I do say so myself. "Finally, the three were almost done, and they looked at each other's work. Things were almost perfect, but not quite. "Grikklap first looked at his Glik sculpture, then at Khedzaklipp's. 'Tell you what,' he mused, 'I'll trade some of my hair and extra lifespan and for a little of both your height and fertility.' At Khedzaklipp's nod, he turned to T'hullip. 'And I'll trade _you_ ... hmm. You really don't _need_ infrared vision, do you? I'll give you my natural armor in exchange.' She nodded as well. "You understand, of course, that they were talking about their creations' abilities, not their own. So, the final trades were made, the three Powers bent down and whispered the Words of Life into the Glik, and lo! Dwarf and Treefolk and Goblin were born. "So, that's why Goblins are the way they are. We're the result of a marathon session of compromise, deal making and inspired horse-Trading. We wouldn't have it any other way: we had to give up a bit here and there, but we did pretty well out of the deal. Although the armor _would_ have been nice... "Anyway, that's the story about 'How Marc Brokered the Goblins into Existence' Another drink? I'll buy this round: only fair, after all." ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:16:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 2) At 1:30 PM -0700 6/6/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >--- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> Or, to get more detailed: >> "green...fashion plates...big on making cash." >> >> Are you sure they're _Marc's_? O:> > >Why, yes. ;) Uh-huh. >"T'huulipp was the prettier one, I'll admit ... and so >will you, once I refer to her by the Human name >Novalis. Moe, someone should swat you for that one. Hard. >"T'huulipp spoke up. 'Yes, but is it _enough_ Glik Very hard. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:06:19 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 2) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > At 1:30 PM -0700 6/6/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > >"T'huulipp was the prettier one, I'll admit ... and so > >will you, once I refer to her by the Human name > >Novalis. > > Moe, someone should swat you for that one. Hard. You know, that one went right past me, until you pointed it out. Maybe I need more coffee. - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Marc Fest (Fantasy): Goblin Origin story (Part 2) - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 1:30 PM -0700 6/6/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > >--- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Or, to get more detailed: > >> "green...fashion plates...big on making cash." > >> > >> Are you sure they're _Marc's_? O:> > > > >Why, yes. ;) > > Uh-huh. Why do you think Lilith was so specific with her Lilim template? She's trying to create female Goblin-analogues that can wrap Human/Elven males around their no-longer-hairy fingers. Of course, seeing as Evil May Not Truly Create in this setting, she's come up with a child's copy, a slave's imitation*: they have to force the cooperation that a Goblin can freely gain. Just goes to show that celestials are at an overall disadvantage on Midd... umm, the Corporeal Plane. :) > >"T'huulipp was the prettier one, I'll admit ... and > so > >will you, once I refer to her by the Human name > >Novalis. > > Moe, someone should swat you for that one. Hard. > > >"T'huulipp spoke up. 'Yes, but is it _enough_ Glik > > Very hard. I swear, it wasn't intentional. It was dictated by Goblinic naming practices, and indeed isn't a pun in that language ... or Human, for that matter. Is it my fault that it's a pun in English? ;) Moe *Yeah, I'm going to Hell. Your point? ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:46:17 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: IN> Mark Fest - A Servitor Okay, so I am trying desperately to come up with a Malakite of Trade, in Service to Freedom. And I am just good enough of a fiction writer to see how bad that was going. Here's the idea. Mark cannot bright Lilim. And Bright Lilim are an incredibly rare resource. Undamaged, whole and perfect bright lilim are pretty much non existent. Certainly, any who might exist are not currently serving Trade. However... He can create a Malakite. And so, he has something that Lilith would want. And thus, a Trade Deal is stuck; One Lilim, created for Trade ( just as she would for any other Word ) in exchange for a Malakite, commanded to Serve Lilith as his Superior for so long as he is Geased (this is one of his oaths, in fact; that, combined with the fact that he has been ordered not to act in a manner contrary to the interests or desires of Lilith for as long as he is bound to her keeps him from becoming a quivering mass of dissonance, as well as keeping him in check)*. Since he is Word bound to Trade, he still has the Malakite attunement. However, he has accepted Lilith's Dissonance Conditions and Rites, as well. His Role is as a Thug. Quite Literally; his Vessel is of a Six foot four black man, residing in Boston. Call him Hawk*. Though he does travel rather extensively. Among Lilim, he is Known to be exceptionally effective as being intimidating muscle, and a startlingly effective bodyguard. More than that, though, his attunement is remarkably useful for finding leverage in an otherwise exceptionally difficult case. many Lilim have found it very useful to know what their targets value, as a way of getting at what they Need. As for Hawk, himself? He is doing what he must. He has a ledger, where his every act of dishonor, his every sin is accounted for. Someday, he knows, he will pay his Penance, and in return, be forgiven. Or so he keeps telling himself. Needless to say, this is based on a fairly dark vision of Marc. And having said this, the chances I will ever get to play this character have probably gone from Slim to None. Just as well. *Do I have to say that this is Not Canon? Do you see my name on any books? **Deepest apologies to Robert Parker. -Daiv, tech Writer in Service to Coffee, in search of a Superior. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:55:33 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> MarcFest *chuckle* Hmm... Justice is... Saying kill them all, god shall know his own and they shall enter the gates of heaven and the rest of them shall be damned to hell for the turncoats they are. *selects the BFG and fires* >--- cassandra benner wrote: > > Justice, hmm, well, thats doing the thing that makes the > > majority feel > > better about themselves and the fact they cant cope with > > what the minority > > has done so they shut down the minority in the name of > > what they call justice. > > Justice is who's left after everybody else leaves. > > (Runs for cover) > >===== >Michael Walton Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:05:40 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Mark Fest - A Servitor From: "Daiv" > Call him Hawk*. Though > **Deepest apologies to Robert Parker. Strangely enough, it works. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:26:07 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> MarcFest - New Discords New Discords for Traders. Midas Touch & Haggling are also appropriate for demons of Greed, Rules Lawyer for Gamesters. MIDAS TOUCH (Corporeal) Whenever the angel attempts to spend essence, they must make a successful Will Roll at a penalty equal to the level of this Discord - failure means that instead of the essence being spent as as intended, it used to spend something in contact with the angel into gold. The item to be transformed is chosen by the GM, and can include the angels Vessel! The angel can transform an item (including their Vessel) back by accepting an additional level of this Discord (Obviously, this cannot be done if the angel has six levels). Dominic has forbidden angels with this Discord from allowing Soldiers to perform the Corporeal Song of Sacrifice on them. HAGGLING (Ethereal) The angel is incapable of making major purchases without somehow reducing the price. Purchases which could be made even if the angels Role was (Haggling Discord) levels lower are unaffected. If the level of Haggling exceeds the level of the angels' Role they become incapable of functioning effectively, as they won't even turn on a light without working out how to reduce the bill they'll pay to the electricity company. The angel will insist on a 'discount' of at least 10% per level of this Discord. RULES LAWYER (Celestial) The angel becomes obsessed with the fine print of contracts and rulings. The angel must make a Will roll at a penalty equal to the level of Discord to ignore any ruling or point of agreement, no matter how minor or trivial, even if doing so would benefit both parties and/or the point was not intended when the contract was signed. If the angel with this Discord violates Marc's dissonance conditions, they must add their level of this Discord to the dissonance roll. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:58:55 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Nomine Boot Camp >> Well, it's only taken me three weeks, but: >> even the best trained Angels of War/Demons of The War need corporeal >> training, and there aren't many units which would be up to celestial >> standards: SEAL in the USA, the SAS in OZ/UK, Spetnaz in the East. So >> during training they're going to butt heads. > >There's a really big problem with this idea. You need to pass some quite >serious background checks to get into such units - a Role/6 is more or >less necessary. You're also expected to spend quite a bit of time in them >after training, and they keep an eye on you afterwards. Overall, there are >lots of risks of blowing your cover. This assumes though that you don't have assistance getting into the unit in the first place. I imagine there are plenty of War Servitors who could pull strings with the paperwork, and it wouldn't surprise me if a bunch of Soldiers could be found in such units too (let's face it, having an extra Force or two would really help with being qualified for the job). An individual angel or demon might not be easily able to pop into a special forces unit on their own, but given the infiltration we can expect both sides to have done by this point I think a certain amount of cover could be provided, at least for a couple of squads. Given the EXTREME amount of time celestials can often afford to put into helping set up these things (not to mention they were there when anything you care to name started), I think there's not really any place in society a Servitor CAN'T be snuck into eventually, it's just that there are places where it would be a bad idea to do so. But special forces certainly seem like a valid target, and the value of having an small elite group of soldiers like that availible for the War is obvious enough for efforts to have been made to secure at least a few units (besides, in Michael's case in particular they fit his philosophy). - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net It takes all kinds of people to make a world, but did you ever think the percentages were wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:04:14 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> GIN House Rules updated I've updated my GURPS In Nomine house rules to include mechanics which establish a relationship between Power Investiture (formerly known as Forces) and attributes. Based on this established relationship, the rules for Attribute loss have been updated as well. this is all found at: http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/tabletop/tabletop.html under the link House Rules (or just go here for the skinny: http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/tabletop/perrygame.html#house) Just FYI, - -Perry, kfC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu NEW WEB PAGE!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "Friends will keep you sane, Love could fill your heart, A lover can warm your bed, But lonely is the soul without a mate. " - --David Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> MarcFest - New Discords - --- james walker wrote: > New Discords for Traders. Midas Touch & Haggling are > also appropriate for > demons of Greed, Rules Lawyer for Gamesters. > > MIDAS TOUCH (Corporeal) Eep! This can be the munchkin's dream: it handles those little cash problems realllll nice. I'd recommend making the gold unstable, or even pyrite, or something. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Twisted Revenge Fantasy OK, first go here: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/03/national/03NARN.html Use fnord for both the name and password. Hey, it's a free service anyway. Read the article. Hopefully, the below will thus need no further explanation. Moe "What's the point of writing if you can't enjoy a little literary payback from time to time?" Lane The two men jumped out of the sudden hole in space gracefully. Well, one of them did: the other pretty much stumbled out. The first man quickly turned, his flashlight illuminating the empty office as the second stayed frozen for a moment. An endless set of seconds later, the first hissed, "It's clear. You alright, son?" "Nothing hurt except my dignity, Robert." The man named Robert nodded and began to move towards the door. Behind him, the second man stood, fumbled for a cell phone and entered a number. His lean face showed a certain distaste for the gadget. "Sir John? Are you there?" "No need to shout, Howard." "Right. Of course. We've arrived at our destination, and there's no one else here. Where do we go now?" "Let me check the plans. Where did I put them ... ah, thank you, Beth ... if the insertion worked correctly, you should see a room to the left of the main entrance. The main server should be in there." "'Main server?'" The voice over the phone became even dryer. "A large box with blinking lights and a soft whirring noise. Really, Howard, you should pay more attention to the modern day..." Howard 'tuned out' (he inserted the quotes, even in his head) Sir John's usual commentary about his perfectly-natural enjoyment of a simpler time as he moved to the door. "Curses." Robert ambled over. "Trouble?" "It's locked ... but where's the keyhole?" Robert looked puzzled for a moment, then snapped his fingers. "It's one of those electronic locks. Clever little things: you wave a card at it, and it unlocks." "Well, do we have a card that will serve as a key, the better to unlock this unholy portal?" Robert grinned. "Nope. I completely forgot to bring a key. However..." - he stepped back and kicked the door, hard: it flew open with a bang - "I didn't forget to bring my *foot*, so it works out." The two peered inside, both of them looking at the computer server. Robert was the first to speak. "Tell me again why we are doing this." "Because it's a pure shame what they're planning to do to Clive's books, and he's too proud to ask for our help..." "I meant, why are _we_ doing this?" "Oh. Well, Randy and Ralph have that diplomatic ball to cover, Fearless-Leader-Bob's stuck with trying to keep our little joyride private, Isaac and Eddie's training the newbies and Phil's too busy trying to explain to that Adams guy that indeed, everything that he knew was wrong. That leaves just us, old hoss. Besides, we don't actually need to know what we're doing to do what needs doing." "That almost made sense, Robert. Very well. So, do we just pull out the plug?" "Something a little more lasting is called for, I think. Got the acid?" "Yes. I still think that we should make it look like an accident, though. Dumping acid into the labyrinthine depths of this 'computer' will obviously be taken as an act of sabotage." "True, but it'll also knock them silly for a couple days. That should set up things nicely for Linebarger to come in and do his consulting. He knows just how to knock them for a loop without them noticing. By the time he's through, the guy who set up the book deal won't be able to get a job selling newspapers." Howard looked around. "It seems a shame to do this to an otherwise perfectly innocent publishing company." His companion snorted. "They shouldn't have broken bread with Nybbas - besides, remember what it took to get royalty checks from bastards like these?" Howard's eyes glittered. "I'll pour." ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 00:19:46 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> Twisted Revenge Fantasy On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:59:58 -0700 (PDT), Maurice Lane wrote: >Howard's eyes glittered. > >"I'll pour." Oh, Moe. Oh, Moe. Oh, Moooooooe! Good job. Now, I KNOW Lucifer has set up a hot seat JUST for you! - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 04:16:13 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Twisted Revenge Fantasy > The two men jumped out of the sudden hole in space > gracefully. Well, one of them did: the other pretty > much stumbled out. > > The first man quickly turned, his flashlight > illuminating the empty office as the second stayed > frozen for a moment. An endless set of seconds later, > the first hissed, "It's clear. You alright, son?" > > "Nothing hurt except my dignity, Robert." Nice, I have to say that this reminds me of some of what I've read of the original french Magna Veritas, maybe it's the whole idea of Angels acting sort of like Christian terrorists/freedom fighters. heh heh . . . fun stuff I liked the article, ( http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/03/national/03NARN.html Use fnord for both the name and password) too. Thumbs up! - -Perry, KFC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu NEW WEB PAGE!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 05:22:47 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Cute comic http://comics.com/comics/roseisrose/archive/roseisrose-20010603.html I had no idea that relievers could *do* that sort of thing! - -Perry, Kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu NEW WEB PAGE!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "Friends will keep you sane, Love could fill your heart, A lover can warm your bed, But lonely is the soul without a mate. " - --David Pratt ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2255 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.