From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Jun 13 17:09:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20589 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:09:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA10374 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:05:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:05:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200106132205.RAA10374@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2262 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, June 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2262 In this digest: Re: IN> Re: Another Take on Novalis Re: IN> Re: Another Take on Novalis IN> The Marches reclamation program Re: IN> Re: Another Take on Novalis IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2261 IN> Re: Lilim Band Attunements IN> Re: Creating the Heavens and the Earth. IN> Re: Trinity in In Nomine IN> Re: Attunements for Superiors IN> In Nomine Black Op's - Black Hawk Disaster IN> May 16-17, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Dinosaurs! Re: IN> Dinosaurs! IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) Re: IN> Dinosaurs! Re: IN> Another Take of Novalis (story) Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) Re: IN> Dinosaurs! Re: IN> Dinosaurs! Re: IN> Dinosaurs! Re: IN> Dinosaurs! IN> Iron Rev Superiors? Re: IN> Iron Rev Superiors? Re: IN> Re: Lilim Band Attunements Re: IN> Iron Rev Superiors? Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) Re: IN> Dinosaurs! Fwd: Re: IN> The Marches reclamation program Re: IN> Dinosaurs! Re: IN> Iron Rev Superiors? Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:51:40 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Another Take on Novalis From: "james walker" > > Of course, the thought on Novalis turning up to the Tether and simply > relying on her abilities to prevent violence would also be entertaining. > > "Thank you for inviting us, Azzie! No, don't try and restrain my Servitors, > that's a form of violence. "Ah, but my dear Novalis, our restraint of your servitors is not violent at all! Indeed, as a cherub you must surely know the value of protection?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:19:26 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Re: Another Take on Novalis Prodigal wrote: > > From: "james walker" > > > > Of course, the thought on Novalis turning up to the Tether and simply > > relying on her abilities to prevent violence would also be entertaining. > > > > "Thank you for inviting us, Azzie! No, don't try and restrain my > Servitors, > > that's a form of violence. > > "Ah, but my dear Novalis, our restraint of your servitors is not violent at > all! Indeed, as a cherub you must surely know the value of protection?" Protection =/= restraint. - -- Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:23:20 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Marches reclamation program *After reading a promo for "Dark Oz" from Bill Bryan http://www.comicartistsdirect.com/bryan.html#COMMISSIONS* Vigeous is a demon of Beleth's who used to have one of the most boring jobs in the universe which specifcially was inspiring folk to massace heroic figures like God, Traditional American Icons, and other wonderful folk like Alice in Wonderland into terrifying nightmarish creatures in order to hurt human belief. Vigeous never thought the system would actually work and was more surprised when his early work led to several private meetings between Nybbas and Beleth where he would mostly just stand between the two Princes and look terrified. You can imagine his surprise when he was given a Duchy under both and about a hundred demons to begin the Marches reclamation program. A brief summary of the program.... The idea of the Marches Reclamation program is that in modern age the Media posseses a vast ability to affect the traditional subconcious and now while Nybbas usually is unable to create dream-realms because most of what he produces can be summed up in four letters the possibility for transforming realms or creating entirely new ones is immense. The prodject is a joint effort between Beleth and Nybbas that if it bears fruit will set up a relationship between the two princes very similar to how Andrephalus and Nybbas work together. The Process can be summed up in Four Steps A:) Observation This is basically the proverbial picking the target. Blandine has no alliances "per say" with pleasant ethereals but on her side of the Marches are many places that are inspirational to the modern man to Heavengly ideals including Camelot, C.S. Lewis's Narnia, and of course Oz. Beleth has mostly dealt with these worlds by killing dreamers, ethereals, and more or less terrorizing the folk who like them traditionally but that stratedgy has merely been emanuated by Blandine in reverse and has won her nothing. B:) Transformation Transformation is a process where Beleth once it has identified a specific world has Vigeous coordinate with Nybba's demons to begin a massive flooding of the world with a revitalized look at it. A good example is the release of an Alice in Wonderland first person shooter or a King Arthur adventure where the old King is a murderous tyrant slaughtering the local pagans and flooding Jolly Old Britain with a bunch of sex crazed knights and terrifying monsters where only a few people are normal. Roleplaying games are going to be a large tool of Vigeous in this matter because the group of soda swilling storytellers and actors represent some of the strongest dreams around and quite a few have links to alternative culture who love to mock the stories of old. C:) Stabilization Transformation is likely a process which will take sometime but the basic idea is eventually a few anti-heroes will catch on and even if it's only a brief surge of nightmare if they can get something like the Buffy or X-Files craze for the stories they will be able to move onto to Stabilization where Beleth sends her hordes of nightmares and forces to coordinate the evil and enstrengthen it while select "fans" and "dreamers" of the genre are targetted to be tormented and add their own monstrous appeal to the region. Vigeous knows something about corruption and intends the dream to be pleasant actually with seductive elements and a certain invunderability despite terror.... A beutiful 22 something Susan warrior princess with a similar amazon lucy for when Aslan has been killed for real..... D:) Dominion This is where the new Nightmare Lands Narnia, Middle Earth under Mordor/Sauron, and thus forth are used as recruiting grounds for Beleth's new empire and to reinforce her borders against Blandine and prepare for invasion of Allied realms. Theres after all nothing to slow down a charge of Blandine's menuhim like a horde of cannibal munchkins. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:32:33 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Another Take on Novalis From: "Kish" > Prodigal wrote: > > > > From: "james walker" > > > > > > "Thank you for inviting us, Azzie! No, don't try and restrain my > > > Servitors, that's a form of violence. > > > > "Ah, but my dear Novalis, our restraint of your servitors is not violent at > > all! Indeed, as a cherub you must surely know the value of protection?" > > Protection =/= restraint. Restraint =/= violence, either. ;;;) I was speaking in-character for Asmodeus anyway, since a Word Game is a game like unto any other... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:42:09 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2261 >> > So. How about a Really OLD servant of Jordi, whose word is >> > Dinosaurs? He ruled the Earth for a long time. He was struck >> > down, but he adapted and survived. >> >> How? When the dinosaurs died out, he should have died. >> > Not all of them died; Many species survived, and evolved. And in > any case, the I would submit that the Word survived within the > Symphony. Even though all the Species that the word represents > have either died or evolved into something completely different, > there is still the idea of Dinosaurs, Idea held by who? No humans, heck no primates for millions of years. He'd have snuffed it. Which is something I have a problem with. Pre-Fall Heaven allowing the unneeded deaths of fellow angels? A bit rough. The simplest answer is to assume that he was promoted/demoted to a similar Word - birds perhaps. However I prefer the idea that when a Word dies in one realm, the Celestial loses his Forces from that realm, but can survive - so that an Angel of Dinosaurs could exist in the Savannah caring for the Blessed Dinosaurs but unable to return to the Corporeal Plane. This is a question for the Jordi write-up, I suspect. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:36:15 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Lilim Band Attunements > Bright Lilim *retain any Lilim Band attunements they held before Redeeming.* Nope. Think: if this was correct, everyone would keep all Servitor Attunements. Still, allow it if you want - and remember: they gain a point of dissonance every time they use a diabolic Rite. Do you really think the same thing won't happen with attunements? If you allow this, then there's no reason not to allow a Fallen Seraph to request the Balseraph of Fate (Seraph version) from Kronos and regain their Seraphim attunement(s). Also, the Bright Lilim resonance is slightly different to the standard - it can be used on recordings. I think that's everything. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:58:01 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Creating the Heavens and the Earth. > in IN, Creationism is right; God did > create the Heavens and the Earth. Canon just doesn't say > how long He took to do it. The timeline in the GMG dates the creation of earth at 4.6 billion BC. James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:01:59 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Trinity in In Nomine > Base 3: three represents the Godhead (Father, Son and > Holy Spirit), though this might not fly in light of the > questionable status of Christ in IN; A Divine Intervention is a 111 as it symbolises the Holy Trinity (IN p40). I don't think that you need worry about theological objections to a base of three. James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:55:02 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Attunements for Superiors >> What about Superiors? Obviously, they have access >> to all> that >> attunements that they hand out. But what about the >> attunements of other Superiors? > > None of the material I've seen even hints at it to my > recollection. Probably up to the individual GM. > That brings up an equally critical question, though -- > _would_ Superiors give each other their Attunements? Maybe > to those Superiors to whom they are allied, IMHO, but I > can't see it other than that. Given that all AA's have access to every choirs' resonance, ditto DP's have all the demonic resonances (GMG p100) I'd have thought it would be easy, but on p99 it merely says that it MIGHT be possible for them to grant attunements to each other. Of course, this in one of those cases where if it is possible, no-one's telling, in case the other side hasn't figured it out yet. So will the GM should decide for themselves, players shouldn't know. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:17:18 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> In Nomine Black Op's - Black Hawk Disaster No, I don't expect you to have heard of the BlackHawk disaster. Fifth anniversary of a crash causing more casualties than we took at Long Tan. The reason I'm bringing it up here is Laurence's Kyriotate attunement. Jean would be able to predict accidents like this; if they cannot be prevented without revealing the existence of the Host, then he passes the info on to Laurence. Entire units could exist which are exclusively Dominations of the Sword. Didn't someone sarcastically ask (in another thread) why Laurence didn't call in the artillery unit he had on stand-by? :-) James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> May 16-17, 2001 (ML) There's something to be said to just throwing stuff to the wall and seeing what sticks, you know. I had no idea where this was going, until I got there... Moe It's amazing what you find when you clean out the closets. The Roman goddess Athena was doing her usual housecleaning (well, temple-cleaning) when she came across something that she could swear wasn't there last century. What it was, nobody in Heaven or Hell is quite sure ... but very shortly after she found whatever-it-was, three Tethers to Nightmares exploded quite messily. This has obviously managed to catch the interest of both sides. Normally, one side or the other would send a raiding party to 'acquire' whatever-it-is... well, actually, they did. The ones from Heaven came back tight-lipped and refusing to talk to anyone except Michael (the one who sent them) and Dominic. Shortly after their debriefing, further expeditions to that particular part of the Marches were forbidden until further notice. The ones from Hell didn't come back at all. Now, there isn't a Superior on either side that's willing to let this slide, so naturally they're all planning to quietly send another expedition. Unlike the first ones, anyone sent this time is just supposed to scout and report back, avoiding an open confrontation at all costs. Well, an open confrontation with the Olympians: a little discreet conflict with certain rival reconnaissance parties might be necessary. Try not to look too obvious. Now, if the PCs aren't sufficiently unnerved at the fact that apparently Michael and Dominic are actually agreeing on something, they will be after they start encountering gibbering, quite mad celestials on their way. None of them will have any real information to give: contradictory information and wild ravings is definitely called for, here. The PCs will almost certainly be quite nervous as they reach Olympus... ... and find it deserted, and already starting to fade away. It would seem that the Greek gods have finally died. A quick examination of the area will seem to indicate that the end was quick, and strangely nonviolent: we're talking about the standard "supper laid out and a pot left to boil over" kind of mass vanishing here. However, there simply aren't any real clues, so eventually even the most thorough party will eventually conclude that there's nothing left to see here and return to base. Unfortunately, they can't seem to find it now - and the landscape is starting to look strange, even for the ethereal plane - and every so often there seems to be a whisper on the wind that they can't quite make out... Now, GMs that were planning to incorporate some good, old-fashioned horror into their IN campaigns anyway can easily insert their versions of the Evil Even Worse Than Hell here and go for a resolution. For the rest, well, there's nothing like an Elder God or two to spice things up. Needless to say, springing this on players who won't appreciate it is contraindicated, but you knew that anyway. If you simply must have a Scooby-Doo version, however, then the Greek gods aren't actually dead, just relocated. Athena apparently came across an old artifact of Vulcan's that would allow all of them to create a more secure stronghold: unfortunately, it required the life force of a Seneschal to be operated. This wasn't considered wise (or really needed) at the time, but that was before the Crusade. Anyway, as Athena doesn't much like Beleth, anyway, the choice of whom to grab and sacrifice was obvious. It just took a couple tries to bag one alive, that's all. The Heavenly raiding party appeared just in time to see Athena power things up: Michael and Dominic put a lid on the report until they could figure out countermeasures. Meanwhile, any celestial in the area (which will include the PCs) is being whapped with Songs that induce insanity, the better to confuse the issue. If the PCs can just figure things out (and break the damned artifact) before they get driven mad, the situation gets resolved. The mad celestials will probably even recover in the end. See? There's a rational enough answer, after all. I still think that Elder Gods would be cooler, though. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:20:35 -0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! >From: "cassandra benner" > >Hmm, which of jordis lot deal with birds? >would the guy be the same choir as this lot. >hmm, ramble over for now. Ofanim for birds. Elohim for reptiles. It says in Jordi's section that they still miss the dinosaurs. hmm. evil plot-seed ahead.. very discordant and ancient outcast elohite of animals (with a very high will) finally escapes limbo with the only kind of vessel he knows: A T-Rex. unfortunately, the place he re-materialises (once a desert) is now downtown new york... - -FallenSeraph "I still believe in God, but He no longer believes in me..." http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! - --- Fallen Seraph wrote: > very discordant and ancient outcast elohite of > animals (with a very high > will) finally escapes limbo with the only kind of > vessel he knows: > A T-Rex. unfortunately, the place he re-materialises > (once a desert) is now > downtown new york... Yes, but what about the eggs? Seriously, you'll need to explain away the reason why an angel would have been stuck in Limbo for millions of years: after all, the Fall was only 22K years ago*... Moe *Can it be done? Sure. Easy enough to handwave... if you see the question coming. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:50:18 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) > > > > What about Superiors? Obviously, they have access to all that > >attunements that they hand out. But what about the attunements > >of other Superiors? > > Jordi, for example, is a Kyriotate. Can he get the Offanite of > >the Wind attunement? I would suspect not, personally, but maybe > >i am missing something. > > The way I see it, not unless he also has Yves' Master distinction for Ofanim. Or if he started out as a Kyriotate of Wind, got his Word, and became an Archangel. Which offers some *interesting* possibilities for one tiny part of the game...namely, Falling/Redeeming. bah! silly distribution of powers Powers are powers, seems pretty inane to me that only Malakim can have Danger Sense (Mal'akh of War) or that only Kyriotates or Shedim can have the ability to turn into mist (Kyriotate/Shedite of the Winds/Theft). Only Elohim can have Absolute Timing/Direction (Stone), only Elohim can predict the weather (the Winds). Granted, these powers can be granted /within/ a Word as well, but all in all, it's pretty silly SFAIC. But, that's ok, it fits the WoD type A of B clan or whatever model. We need more choirs and bands, quite frankly. Hell, why don't I make some up, can't be that hard. . . . Only, sucking down my time and I have more packing to do, I did two, see them at: http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd/choirs.html - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu NEW WEB PAGE!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:30:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > > --- Fallen Seraph wrote: > > > very discordant and ancient outcast elohite of > > animals (with a very high > > will) finally escapes limbo with the only kind of > > vessel he knows: > > A T-Rex. unfortunately, the place he re-materialises > > (once a desert) is now > > downtown new york... > > Yes, but what about the eggs? > > Seriously, you'll need to explain away the reason why > an angel would have been stuck in Limbo for millions > of years: after all, the Fall was only 22K years > ago*... > > Moe > > *Can it be done? Sure. Easy enough to handwave... if > you see the question coming. :) > Idea: Let the Elohite in question be suffering either from severe loss of Etheral Forces or a Discord which impairs his memory; that is, he was around at the time of the dinosaurs, and saw them become extinct and the subsequent rise of man. But, by the time he got stuck in Limbo, he had forgotten that dinos were gone, and thus made what seemed like the most appropriate Vessel choice. Although why he didn't pick a smaller, less Essence-costing Vessel (and thus get out of Limbo more quickly) would have to be considered. Ryan Roth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:01:56 From: "Michael Cleveland" Subject: Re: IN> Another Take of Novalis (story) >Okay. enough gushing. There is a problem with that story... >There was so much Disturbance going on, Someone should have >noticed it, and investigated. Granted, you could say that the >four principles involved in the argument had other things on >their minds, and were distracted. But Dominic, I would think, >should have at least sent someone to investigate, or else have >multi tasked and done it himself. Oh, don't worry - I'm writing that part up too. I'll probably post it thursday or friday, whenever I'm done with it. >Personally, I like image of Dominic giving Novalis the High >Five (or whatever the celestial equivalent is; High wing?) for a >job well done. It's the sort of thing that would be talked about >for a very long time afterwards. Oh, I can see it as well. After all, this was the bright parallel to the Novalis of Thorns story - there's still a Triad of Judgment and a Malakite of Destiny outside running surveillance... I can just imagine the report they'll make to Dominic... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) - --0-719885386-992454742=:69999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii - --- Perry Lloyd wrote:> We need more choirs and bands, quite frankly. Hell,> why don't I make some up, can't be that hard. Yeah right. Say that after you've made a few more. Come to think of it, say that after you've read what other people have come up with and have to think of something that hasn't been done already. Say, is www.phargle.com still up? Buncha minor Choirs and Bands on that site, definitely worth checking out. Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. - --0-719885386-992454742=:69999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii - --- Perry Lloyd wrote: > We need more choirs and bands, quite frankly. Hell, > why don't I make some up, can't be that hard. Yeah right. Say that after you've made a few more. Come to think of it, say that after you've read what other people have come up with and have to think of something that hasn't been done already. Say, is www.phargle.com still up? Buncha minor Choirs and Bands on that site, definitely worth checking out.

Michael Walton, #9805-068
The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice.
That's got to balance out on the karmic scale.


Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. - --0-719885386-992454742=:69999-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) - --- Michael Walton wrote: > --- Perry Lloyd wrote: >> We need more choirs and bands, quite frankly. >> Hell, why don't I make some up, can't >> be that hard. > Yeah right. Say that after you've made a few more. Oh, don't discourage him _too_ much: I could always use more reading material - and I do agree with Perry, we could use some more. Of course, I would say that about everything IN-related: you could dump a gig of IN information on me and I still wouldn't be satisfied. :) > Come to think of it, say that > after you've read what other people have come up > with and have to think of something that hasn't been > done already. As one of the people who do a minor C/B from time to time, my only response is to look sheepish and go "Phbbbbth" at you. Of two minds about my response, you understand. > Say, is www.phargle.com still up? > Buncha minor Choirs and Bands on that site, > definitely worth checking out. It's still up (I link to it), but Ben hasn't updated in a year. RLM, no doubt. :( Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:27:15 -0400 From: "Malachai Davidson" Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! > >Seriously, you'll need to explain away the reason why >an angel would have been stuck in Limbo for millions >of years: after all, the Fall was only 22K years >ago*... Well if he ended up in Limbo whenever (place cataclysm here) occurred it may have been assumed that the suddden lose of word forces caused celestial death. I don't really think that the mechanics of word stripping and the like were worked out way back then. Everyone else was doing God's work so no one was really focusing on the anatomy of self. He may have needed time to figure out where to go from there. You try figuring out what to do when your word gets wiped out in the proverbial blink of a geological eye. He probably had the essence for a long time but wasn't ready to face creation in his weakened state. Quick question, is there some sort of guide or training that celestials receive in order to deal with limbo? See how that grabs you for an explanation. Malachai _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:35:31 -0400 From: "Malachai Davidson" Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! >From: Ryan M Roth Although why he didn't pick a smaller, less >Essence-costing Vessel (and thus get out of Limbo more quickly) would have >to be considered. It is a dangerous world out there. You need to pick the most appropriate vessel for the job. When dealing with large carnivourous killing machines, the best option is another large killing machine. Malachai _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:45:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan M Roth Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Malachai Davidson wrote: > > > > >From: Ryan M Roth > Although why he didn't pick a smaller, less > >Essence-costing Vessel (and thus get out of Limbo more quickly) would have > >to be considered. > > It is a dangerous world out there. You need to pick the most appropriate > vessel for the job. When dealing with large carnivourous killing machines, > the best option is another large killing machine. > > Malachai Or a small vessel which isn't likely to get noticed and, if it did, has attunements, Songs, and a celestial's higher-than-average Force totals backing it up. Ryan Roth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:56:53 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! Mayhap this unlucky Elohite came out Limbo quite some time ago, but minus a few Ethereal Forces, and has been living quietly in, say, the Amazon basin, as one *really* *tough* bird, never quite getting far enough out of the fog to think about ascending. As for Jordi trakcing it down by its Heart, Hearts may have come in only *after* the Fall. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:11:36 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: IN> Iron Rev Superiors? Anybody know when and if it's gonna happen? The first one was oodles of fun. Cheers, Ryan, impatient child "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? I have to go to the bathroom..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:28:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Superiors? - --- Ryan Elias wrote: > Anybody know when and if it's gonna happen? Didn't we decide that the first person to call for it would be the one hosting it?* So, you tell _us_... Moe * ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:33:42 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Re: Lilim Band Attunements >> Bright Lilim *retain any Lilim Band attunements they held before Redeeming.* >Nope. Think: if this was correct, everyone would keep all Servitor >Attunements. Servitor Attunements are dependent on the Word, if I recall correctly, and I *think* it's canon that an angel/demon may recieve a Servitor Attunement from the 'other side'. So they could keep Servitor Attunements, or you could say that the Servitor Attunements depend on Word and alignment... >Still, allow it if you want - and remember: they gain a point of dissonance >every time they use a diabolic Rite. Do you really think the same thing >won't happen with attunements? *Exactly*. ^_^ This is good for GMs with a sadistic streak or who just like psychological games, especially playing mixed games/games with newly-Redeemed or Fallen. "Okay, you've switched sides. No, don't drop the Attunements." Later... "It's three Calabim of Fire. Hmm. You don't work for the War faction, but you *could* use Baal's Art of Combat Attunement and get extra attacks. You're an angel now, though. This could cause problems, especially if your Superior or Baal finds out..." See? Temptation abounds. It's not quite like, say, the idea about 'Tripping' in the INC, but it's close. >If you allow this, then there's no reason not to allow a Fallen Seraph to >request the Balseraph of Fate (Seraph version) from Kronos and regain their >Seraphim attunement(s). No. The Attunements would have been wiped the second the resonance changed, if they are 'tied into' the Choir/Band resonance. (And even unrestricted ones would effectively be tied into the appropriate resonance, since, say, a Malakite of Creation can't take the Elohite of Judgement attunement.) If the Fallen Seraph took Kronos' Balseraph Attunement, though, that Balseraph *could* conceivably take the appropriate Choir's attunements from Archangels. >Also, the Bright Lilim resonance is slightly different to the standard - it >can be used on recordings. That I didn't know. It doesn't seem like a major thing, though... ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (K) "You have an unhealthy obsession with death." (S) "So?" Koukenko Doji and Seishi Hashiba, 'Yoha no Kagami' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:28:39 -0400 From: "Malachai Davidson" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Superiors? >From: Ryan Elias > > "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? I have to go to the >bathroom..." "Don't make me turn this tether around" Malachai _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:35:45 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) >Powers are powers, seems pretty inane to me that only Malakim can have >Danger Sense (Mal'akh of War) or that only Kyriotates or Shedim can have the >ability to turn into mist (Kyriotate/Shedite of the Winds/Theft). Only >Elohim can have Absolute Timing/Direction (Stone), only Elohim can predict >the weather (the Winds). Granted, these powers can be granted /within/ a >Word as well, but all in all, it's pretty silly SFAIC. But, that's ok, it >fits the WoD type A of B clan or whatever model. Danger Sense, Absolute Timing, Absolute Direction. . . you *will* convert to GURPS In Nomine, if solely for the ability to purchase these for your characters as advantages rather than heavily-regulated attunements. You *will* become GURPSian. . . come to us.... ;^) >-Perry William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:38:29 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! >Seriously, you'll need to explain away the reason why >an angel would have been stuck in Limbo for millions >of years: after all, the Fall was only 22K years >ago*... > >Moe Nobody knows how many celestials have discovered the Song of Limbo. "Hey, that's a strange little chord... I wonder what playing it will do." *sing* *poof* "Oh my." ;^) And angels prior to the Fall, who had never had to worry about Outcasting, might not have even *known* about Limbo -- except for enVesseled relievers, I suppose. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:08:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> The Marches reclamation program >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:08:44 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 7 >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:08:20 -0700 (PDT) >From: Maurice Lane >Subject: Re: IN> The Marches reclamation program > >It's an interesting idea, but Nybbas wouldn't go for >it. > >Reason? Simple. > >Nybbas _likes_ the status quo. He ought to, because >it favors him - and is inherently u n stable, to boot. > >The Prince of the Media, parvenu that he might be, is >probably bright enough to realize that his empire is >jury-rigged. Every other Prince in Hell (except >Vapula) enjoys the luxury of the fact that their Words >are fundamentally independent of technology. >Andrealphus doesn't need the Internet to keep people >lustful. Haagenti won't be crippled if Diet Coke or >liposuction disappears tomorrow. Baal would fight the >War just as happily if everybody were using swords >(Hell, he'd prefer it: guns are potent human >equalizers ... but I digress). They may _like_ the >shiny toys, but they don't Need them. > >But Nybbas? Nybbas' empire can be Turned Off. He's >dependent on satellites, television sets, movie >theaters, radio, CD players and various and sundry >electronic devices to keep his Word strong. Remove >any of them, and he takes a hit. Remove them _all_, >and he's dead meat. > >The Host, of course, knows this - and don't think that >they aren't able to do anything to bring about this >state. Jean could scythe earth orbit clean of >satellites, given a preparation time of about, say, a >day. Laurence could (cheerfully) order armed assaults >on every major television and movie studio on the >planet, timed to go off at about the same time. >Michael or Janus wouldn't mind at all setting off an >EMP pulse over Southern California, with Hollywood >being ground zero. > >They _haven't_ done any of this because it would >ratchett up the War and do Bad Things to too many Good >People... but if Nybbas and Beleth look like they're >about to take over the Marches, well, then the War's >about to be within spitting distance of being lost >anyway, and just what do you *think* would happen to >all those people if Hell wins, anyway? > >I would presume that Nybbas is aware of all of this - >and is careful to build his empire in his own >playground, and not do anything that might Win The Day >For Hell at the cost of his own infinitely precious >hide. Business is business, boychik. > >YMMV, of course. :) > >Moe > >===== >Liber Licentiae Moeticae: >http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html > >Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Dinosaurs! - --- Malachai Davidson wrote: > It is a dangerous world out there. You need to pick the > most appropriate > vessel for the job. When dealing with large carnivourous > killing machines, > the best option is another large killing machine. Or something fast enough to get away (Velociraptor) or small enough to hide (Compsognathus). It all depends on what your definition of "dealing with" is. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev Superiors? - --- Ryan Elias wrote: > Anybody know when and if it's gonna happen? The first one > was oodles of fun. Motion seconded! G'on, gimme ingredients! I dare ya'! I double dare ya'! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:04:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > you *will* convert > to GURPS In Nomine, if solely for the ability to purchase > these for your > characters as advantages rather than heavily-regulated > attunements. You > *will* become GURPSian. . . come to us.... NOOOOOOO! I'll never go to the Dark Side! Never! :p ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2262 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.