From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Jun 18 21:29:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24137 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:29:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA19179 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:28:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:28:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200106190228.VAA19179@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2267 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, June 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2267 In this digest: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' Re: IN> Quick angel idea IN> Re: Stolzenik Footwear Re: IN> Quick angel idea Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards Re: IN> Iron Rev: Nipping One in the Bud Re: IN> IRON REV: Seg Heil Re: IN> Quick angel idea Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards Re: IN> The Accuser Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' Re: IN> Quick angel idea Re: IN> Why Dominic hates his job IN> Dark Humour Attunement Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' IN> Reminder: Iron Rev: Round two! Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' IN> I want to kick it! IN> Iron Rev 2: Cardinal Sin Re: IN> Iron Rev: Nipping One in the Bud Re: IN> I want to kick it! Re: IN> MarcFest: Talents IN> MarcFest: What Next? Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' Re: IN> MarcFest: What Next? IN> Iron Rev 2 entry Re: IN> Iron Rev: Nipping One in the Bud IN> While we're (sort of) on the subject of destiny/fate... Re: IN> Iron Rev 2: Cardinal Sin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:57:37 -0700 From: Anthony Damiani Subject: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' The ball bounced, and Danny chased it merrily past the strict boundaries of the PS-#421 playground. "Daniel Mitchell?" said the man in dark sunglasses, as he caught the red orb in one hand. "Yes, sir." Danny swallowed, looking up. "Daniel Lionel Mitchell, of #214 Mockingbird lane, age 8, son of Gregory and Jeanette Mitchell?" Danny nodded, regarding this stranger curiously "Yeah, what's it to you?" "I'm truly sorry about this, Daniel. But its necessary for the greater good." And with that, he pulled a silenced 9mm out of his jacket. Zeriel Renegade Elohim, former Servitor of Destiny 11 forces Corporeal: 3, Str: 6, Agil: 6 Ethereal: 3, Int: 6, Precision:6 Celestial: 5 Will: 8, Perecption 12 Songs: E. Form/4, Celest Form/5, Thunder/4, Cel. Charm/2, Cel. Motion/4 Skills: Ranged Weapon/6, Lying/3, Driving/2, Detect Lies/3, Emote/4, Knowledge (Philosophy)/5 Vessels: Human Male/4, Human Female/4 Attunements: Elohim of Yves, Divine Destiny Dissonance/1 How evil do you have to be to simultaneously tick off Kronos and Yves? As an angel, Zeriel must constantly ask himself how he may bring about the greatest good. Like many Elohim, this has driven him to become ruthlessly utilitarian in his outlook. Having been assigned to actively combat the agents of Kronos for the last eight-hundred years, he came to notice a pattern in the tactics of Fate: Fate does not care about the fates of the vast majority of mankind. Subscribing to the Great Man theory of history, it feels it can best further the goals of hell by focusing on those individuals who have spectacularly bad individual fates-- a Stalin or a Genghis Khan is worth thousands or millions of petty criminals. Zeriel agrees with this analysis. Now, obviously, the optimal means of accomplishing this is to ensure that everyone meets their destinies and avoids their fates; however, as with Hitler, there are those whose fates far outstrip their destinies. Therefore, objectively, it hinders fate a lot more than destiny if those people are prevented from reaching either. They represent a bad gamble, the cost outweighing the benefits. A potential Hitler going bad is an unacceptable risk. So he kills them before they have the chance. Yves, concerned with the destinies of all mankind, obviously disapproves of this course of behavior, and has requested that Judgement bring his wayward servitor in for rehabilitation as soon as possible-- or eliminate him if this proves impossible. But this doesn't matter to Zeriel; you see, his work is far more important than the life of just one angel... It should be borne in mind that this is not dissonant behavior for either an Elohim, or a servitor of Yves, who are only prohibited from helping individuals to meet their Fates. Indeed, it was in part the unpredictability of the future and an inability to say with certainly whether an action could lead an individual to his fate that prompted Zeriel's course of action. As a consequence, he bears only a single point of dissonance--- the one he accrued for meeting his own dark fate. -ALD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' Ack. That one hit a particularly unpleasant chord. Very good work. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. -- Sony Vaio-PC Haiku ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:26:57 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Quick angel idea God, I've got the prelims for my PhD program coming up on Wednesday; how do I summon this angel?! :) - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net It takes all kinds of people to make a world, but did you ever think the percentages were wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:27:36 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Stolzenik Footwear To: Stolzenik Footwear, Heavenly Branch Hi! I'd just like to say how much I enjoyed the boxes of your boots I bought. They leave the competition for dead - which is why I enjoy handing them out. What a blast! Girl Guides trekking in the mountains! Humans abseiling down a cliff! Goths getting a chance to really angst! The fun is endless, once you've stolen a handheld unit. And it doesn't take much to remove the tell-tale insignia if my target doesn't want to be wearing 'nazi boots'. Do I get any free stuff for this? Go on, I want to use your boots on demons as well. And I promise to continue hiding the evidence that your products are responsible for countless (Okay, I'm counting - but you know what I mean!) deaths if you keep me supplied. A seraph can tell that I mean it - you guys are too much fun to close down. Unless there's no fun in it for me, of course..... Punch Calabite Knight of Dark Humor. James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:49:44 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Quick angel idea >From: Mike Bruner >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Quick angel idea >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:26:57 -0400 > >God, I've got the prelims for my PhD program coming up on Wednesday; how do >I summon this angel?! :) > By doing lots of revision :-) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards - --- Phillip Des Jardins wrote: > Actually, I was thinking about it, and I thought that > maybe an Elohite > would make more sense. What do you guys think? I would agree with that. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:49:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards - --- Jo Hart wrote: > NYBBAS: Or television. You are the weakest link, Goodbye. Now, if the host of that show isn't a Habbalah of the Media, I can't spot a demon! 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev: Nipping One in the Bud - --- Matthew Gerber wrote: > Nipping One in the Bud > Plantain Industries Very nice touch on the company name. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> IRON REV: Seg Heil - --- "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > Seg Heil Hee hee hee... I like! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Quick angel idea Nice idea. Unusually subtle for a Kyrio, but that's half the fun. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:06:54 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Just Rewards Naw lil ole annie isnt a demon, she's a soldier of judgement, who once in a while works for the angel of -showing the world what english folks are presumed to all be like but really are not at all like- > > Ms Hart wrote: > > NYBBAS: Or television. You are the weakest link, Goodbye. >Mr walton wrote: >Now, if the host of that show isn't a Habbalah of the >Media, I can't spot a demon! 0;> Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Accuser - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > In effect it is VERY interesting if the Archangel of > Judgement might > actually have originally been a servitor of the > Lightbringer before his > elevation to Angel of Judgement led to leaving his > service. That IS interesting. And it would certainly explain Dommie's zeal. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' Deeply disturbing. Which means you did it right. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:34:35 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Quick angel idea A very PLAUSIBLE angel. I think Tabitha sounds a lot like the way many people think real angelic intervention often works. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:00:59 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Why Dominic hates his job Charles Phipps wrote: > Dominic scribbed down his catch all, humans could be > forgiven anything in Heaven...that was the way it should work > but sometimes minds required divine guidence to work properly > even here. This is the sort of thing that makes the idea of Purgatory so appealing to many minds. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:05:01 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Dark Humour Attunement I sincerely appologise if this has in any way shape or form been done before. ================================ _Stop me if you've heard this one..._ Well thats what folks are calling it these days. It seems to be some kind of very very changed song of yelping. You see, what it does is gets -the audience's- attention for a short while by sending out a note of dissonance which lodges in their brains whether they are -aware- or not. Mechanics. Willpower roll to activate, -1 tn for each 5 people in the area. Causes a note of dissonance for each 20 people in the area. Range is equal to anybody who can see the demon in a 100 meter radius. Any body in that area has to make a willpower roll or be transfixed by the demon for minutes equal to the CD of his will roll. They can take no offensive actions against him, so long as he keeps - -engaging- them. Egnaging them however is the tricky part, the reason that the attunement got its recent names was beacuse as dark humour the demons tend to fall back on to a breif bad joke telling session. But they can be singing, playing a musical instrument or similar. It was rumured that a Media operative/spy was given this attunement and subsequently went back to nybbas to show it off. Nybbas smiled and gae him a script, and said to use his -look at me im a star- attunement (which is what he then called it after he learned how to recreate it). When Kobal heard about this, he went out for a while muttering -im gonna show that litle snot bucket a thing or to about stardom- It was rumoured that for a few weeks after that, nybbas wore some big shades, to cover a black eye, but its only speculation. Kobal does how ever have a new -stretch-o-matic boxing glove filled with lead- hanging on his wall however these days. ===================== Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:33:05 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' From: "Anthony Damiani" > > As a consequence, he bears only a single point > of dissonance--- the one he accrued for meeting his own dark fate. Wow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:09:49 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Reminder: Iron Rev: Round two! Since we're still running somewhat short on submissions, and since the deadline is almost upon us, I'm reposting the details on this round of Iron Rev. Here ye be: The rules are as follows: Submit a plot seed to me, using the following guidelines: 1. Word limit: no more than 1000 words (~10K file length) 2. You have to make some reference to each of the three plot ingredients 3. The plot seed must be runnable using only the In Nomine main rulebook, or GURPS: In Nomine The three ingredients are as follows: Computers Conspiracy Footwear Submissions are due by Tuesday, June 19th, and I will be posting them for review and voting on Wednesday, June 20th, through Tuesday, June 26th, with winners to be announced on Thursday, June 28th. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:41:36 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' >As a consequence, he bears only a single point >of dissonance--- the one he accrued for meeting his own dark fate. > > > -ALD *Nice* touch. William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Diane J Donaldson Subject: IN> I want to kick it! Several unrelated bits from a habitual lurker: 1. What happens if the Corporeal Song of Entropy is used on a vessel? Does it become more youthful, or does it dissolve into the Symphony since three years ago it didn't even exist? 2. If you haven't seen the Radiskull and Devil Doll URL, it's here: http://joesparks.shockwave.com/ A lot of the episodes are, well, somewhat lame, but the last one (#8) is a great example of a Wordbound angel (Candy) using her own special powers. Episode 4 is pretty good too. 3. ***SPOILER*** for "Feast of Blades" here! I've just run "Feast of Blades" for my players. At the end of it, Gebbeleth was released but not destroyed. Does he still have the Word of Secrets, thereby sharing it with Alaemon? And can somebody point me to a good write-up of Gebbeleth? djd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Iron Rev 2: Cardinal Sin Dectus is one of the cleverest demons in Valefor's service. His string of grand capers is legendary in Hell. King Tut's death mask? He's got it (the one in the museum is a replica). The Kohinoor diamond? He snatched it and laid it at Valefor's feet. D.B. Cooper? His skull's in Dectus' living room, bronzed. The only thing more amazing than the wily Balseraph's target selection is his unnerving patience. Dectus has been known to take five years or more to plan a heist. Ah, the benefits of being immortal... So what does such a brilliant thief do for an encore? Steal souls, that's what. But why take one at a time when, with a little preparation, you can get millions? Dectus isn't wasting time with infernal pacts -- he wants to become the Pope. Once he is in the Shoes of the Fisherman, Dectus will be able to subtly twist Church policy in ways that favor Hell. If a few good Catholics become more prone to selfish behavior (or even better, meet their Fates), it's all good. The big problem is Valefor's Dissonance condition. Who wants to be stuck in the Vatican for umpteen years with a Role as a Cardinal just to get into the line of succession? Any Thief would be Game-meat by then. Dectus needs a faster way. As luck would have it, a Technologist friend of his can provide that way. Cyrich has spent years working on his pet project. The Synchronistic Intertemporal BinarY Logician (SIBYL) is a prognostic computer -- it calculates the probability of future events. When Dectus told his friend of the plan, Cyrich happily booted up SIBYL and fed in all available data on the current crop of Cardinals. From there, figuring out which one had the best chance of succeeding the current Pope was a cinch. Now all Dectus needed was a Vessel made in the image of the old man, and he was as good as in. No problem there; Dectus just jumped into Limbo to make the Vessel himself. Since Cyrich is an Impudite of Technology with the Celestial Song of Tongues, Essence won't be a problem. Oh, there's just one more thing -- the current Pope and the Cardinal whom Dectus must replace both have to die. This is where the PC's come in. Angels will be tasked with stopping the plot. Michael's intelligence network managed to uncover the plot, but they don't know which Cardinal is the target. Their orders are to 1) protect the Pope at all costs, 2) find out which Cardinal is the target and protect him if possible; if not, Vessel-kill the Balseraph impersonating him, 3) find the Impudite and capture his computer. This is further complicated by the fact that Michael's spies don't know what the Impudite's Vessel or the computer looks like (both are left up to the GM). Nor can they say how many other demons have been sent in to help. The angels have to pull this off with a minimum of information, and all without disturbing the peace of the Vatican Tether. Demons has a very different mission; they're supposed to help Dectus. Some may be sent to kill the Pope. This is no easy task considering the two Friends of the Sword -- one Cherub, one Malakite -- guarding him. Other demons may be tasked to run interference for Cyrich as he fine-tunes SIBYL's predictions. This is how they find out about SIBYL's little quirk; the computer can only make short-term predictions (as in, within the hour) with any accuracy. Cyrich has to wait until the last minute, do the math and then tell Dectus who to look like. Dectus has researched all of the Cardinals well enough to make a Vessel in any one's image; he just needs the name. Dectus will then have less than an hour to kill the Cardinal, take his place and dispose of the body. The PC's will have to help with that, of course. And they have to do it dangerously close to the locus of an enemy Tether. Did I mention that there are Swordies and Stonies all over the place (this is the Vatican, after all)? Whether the PC's are angels or demons, make it clear that open battle isn't an option. Angels would have to face the wrath of their Superiors while demons will find themselves grossly outnumbered. They should have to do some detective work just to tell friend from foe, and stealth will serve better than firepower. For an added wrinkle, consider that SIBYL is a hot property that more than one Superior would want. On Heaven's side, Jean would certainly be interested. So would Yves, Dominic and Marc. As for the Princes, Nybbas would love to upgrade this thing to predict next season's ratings and Asmodeus would appreciate a tool that knows which demons are likely to go Renegade. Kronos probably thinks that he deserves exclusive rights to any prognostic device, and Vapula considers it his property because one of his demons made it. Servitors of these Superiors may have "recover or destroy" orders regarding SIBYL. A really vindictive GM may convey this information in such a way that the other players don't know about the sealed orders. As written, this seed is appropriate for beginning PC's; the NPC's below reflect this. Upgrading the scenario for more experienced characters is a simple matter of making the NPC's more powerful and adding more angelic or demonic thugs (who are left to the GM to design, as befits his campaign). Dectus Balseraph of Theft CorF/4 (Str/8, Agi/8) EthF/5 (Int/10, Pre/10) CelF/5 (Per/8, Will/12) Skills: Dodge/5, Emote/6, Fast-talk/4, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Theology/3, Vatican Personalities/4), Move Silently/6, Running/2 Songs: Charm (all/2), Form (Ethereal/3) Attunements/Distinctions: Balseraph of Theft, Impudite of Theft, Swipe, Knight of Kleptos Cyrich Impudite of Technology CorF/2 (Str/3, Agi/5) EthF/4 (Int/8, Pre/8) CelF/3 (Per/5, Will/7) Skills: Computer Operation/6, Dodge/3, Electronics/4, Knowledge (Mathematics/6) Songs: Harmony (all/3), Healing (Corporeal/3) Attunements/Distinctions: Impudite of Technology, Invention ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:51:59 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev: Nipping One in the Bud At 9:52 PM -0400 6/16/01, Matthew Gerber wrote: I hope you know I'm sitting here in front of my computer, with a bag of Plantain chips right next to me, so you can be sure that I know exactly what you're doing here. Ollie Jones, is it? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:51:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> I want to kick it! At 1:27 PM -0400 6/18/01, Diane J Donaldson wrote: >Several unrelated bits from a habitual lurker: > >1. What happens if the Corporeal Song of Entropy is used on a >vessel? Does it become more youthful, or does it dissolve into the >Symphony since three years ago it didn't even exist? This is alluded to in the Liber Canticorum description of Entropy... But the answer is, you get a youthful vessel, not a vanished one. >3. ***SPOILER*** for "Feast of Blades" here! ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** >I've just run "Feast of Blades" for my players. At the end of it, >Gebbeleth was released but not destroyed. Does he still have the Word of >Secrets, thereby sharing it with Alaemon? Yes, and you probably want to pick up Superiors 4, which has the expansion of Alaemon in it -- and some of the Gebbeleth stuff... (Isn't there something in FoB that implies that even if Gebbeleth doesn't die then, he's not really long for this world anyway? Sort of the celestial equiv of hemophilia?) >And can somebody point me to a good write-up of Gebbeleth? I don't believe there are any canon ones, and don't know of any personally. Hopefully someone else will have some. (Get Whistling to talk to you, though...) ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** ***SPOILER*** - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:18:29 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> MarcFest: Talents On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:27:20 -0700 (PDT), Michael Walton wrote: > I might if I had a yen for such things. But mark my >words, it'll come to a bad end. You'll see that, pound for >pound, the whole scheme makes no cents. Oh, you do not want to start with the puns. You can bank on that. Cash you chips in now, before it stops being a charge... cheque yourself, is all I'm saying, Michael. - -- Watcher of the Skies, I remain Ravenshadow Delirious Raven, AKA Daniel Sauve http://www.livejournal.com/users/deleriousraven/ AIM: dreamfylerahs /Yahoo!: ahsdreamflyer /Odigo: Delirious /ICQ # 53874855 The Useless Pages: http://www.go2net.com/useless/ - -- Can I speak to someone higher up the food-chain please? - -- [I am Sigfreud J. Ascii, The Living Sig. (you can't stop it) ] 5944 sigs made. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> MarcFest: What Next? Now that MarcFest is over, what Superior do we pick on next? Dare I suggest -- Lilith Fair? [hides] ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' - --- Anthony Damiani wrote: > Zeriel > Renegade Elohim, > former Servitor of Destiny Nice writeup, but federal disclosure laws require me* to point out that in Darker campaigns the proper title of this fellow would be "Friend of the Sages", not "Outcast". :) Moe *Well, more like me saying it before anybody else. Still, good material. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:56:43 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> 'No, Really, I'm not a Habbalah...' >--- Anthony Damiani wrote: >> Zeriel >> Renegade Elohim, >> former Servitor of Destiny And here's a passing thought... What if the _magnitude_ of the Fate/Destiny remain the same, when the murdered character reincarnates and gets another go on Earth? What if Zeriel isn't solving the problem, every time he kills someone -- he's just postponing it for a few years. Why, maybe his constant interference is causing the potential scale of the Fate/Destiny to _grow_ each time a child gets dispatched before it even has a chance to achieve either. (Not to mention all the damage he may be doing to the parents/friends/siblings/etc of the people he kills. I do hope he's paying attention to that.) So when Yves sends the PCs on a mission, with instructions that they _ABSOLUTELY MUST_ protect the child in question . . . you see, Zeriel's killed the child (in previous incarnations) five times already, and each time the soul's reborn, his potential Fate has got worse. If he dispatches the child once more, without giving her a chance to achieve her Destiny -- or her Fate -- then you really, really don't want to know what her _next_ incarnation is going to be . . . Just an idea. Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:44:09 -0700 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> MarcFest: What Next? >Dare I suggest -- Lilith Fair? > > [hides] > *Pulls out the Holy Spatula of Ucchan and proceeds to smite* I don't think even the Leafsmother could hold -this- one against me. Other than the pun, not a bad idea, though. Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis The Happy Shiny Mercurian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Iron Rev 2 entry This should not be taken as a sign that I am back from my sojourn into the wilderness. My email access remains ... spotty. Thanks for allowing GURPS IN, BTW: I'd never been able to use a Sorcerer otherwise. :) Moe Iron Rev 2: "I'm sorry, but they just don't go with that robe." God help us, they're even red... but I'm getting ahead of myself, here. Our story, then, begins when a Sorcerer (use the most annoying one locally in your campaign world) attempted to Summon a demonling for no better reason than the lawn needed mowing and it was too hot out for a human to work. An insanely dangerous misuse of power, of course, but we are talking about Sorcerers. Insanely dangerous is what they _do_. Alas, said Sorcerer seriously flubbed his ritual: instead of grabbing a random gremlin, he instead got the attention of a Prince. Vapula, to be precise. 'Fortunately', Vapula happened to be in an incredibly mellow mood that day. Instead of casually wasting the upstart, the Prince instead popped back down into Hell, grabbed the first demonling he saw and dragged him back up, imprisioning the unlucky gremlin into the nearest corporeal item. Hey, being a Prince means doing whatever amuses you ... especially when the 'nearest corporeal item' happens to be a woman's high-heeled shoe. The Sorcerer even had to smile, say thank you like he meant it, and (not incidentally) put it on before Vapula would leave. So far, so good, right? Well, there's a problem (and when _isn't_ there a problem when Vapula's involved?): while the shoe's now a Talisman/6 (Computer Programming, Emote *and* Lying), plus having a traumatized demonling inside, it only works when worn. Plus (and this is the real problem), once put on it has to be worn for at least 8 hours a day. If the Sorcerer doesn't, he'll take 1d6 Body Hits for each day that he doesn't wear the shoe. In other words, our central character has quickly discovered the joys of the transvestite lifestyle - and seeing as he was no better informed than most of mainstream society about what transvestites are actually _like_, he's nearly gotten punched out a couple of times at first by his erstwhile comrades. Still, he's starting to figure out what the rules are: in fact, the normal Sorcerous megalomania has begun to manifest. After all, his new plusses would make him a perfect Fearless Leader for a secret society... The PC's for this one could either be angels or demons: oddly enough, in either case they could actually get the job of just getting the demonling back. It would seem that the little guy happened to be the assistant sysop for a Tartarus server, and in the tradition of assistant sysops everywhere is the only entity that knows all the passwords. That explains the demons' interest: I could explain the angelic hook quite neatly if I was allowed to mention Sparky (Vapula's noncanonical keeper, who a: never really cares about who does the job, as long as it gets done quietly, and b: hates losing anybody sane who happens to work for Vapula)... ...but I can't, so I won't. Just ignore the above paragraph, OK? ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev: Nipping One in the Bud On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > I hope you know I'm sitting here in front of my computer, with a bag of > Plantain chips right next to me, so you can be sure that I know exactly > what you're doing here. Ollie Jones, is it? Okay, someone want to clue me in? Moe "gets it" and Beth "gets it"... I feel ungotten. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Some people desperately want to be a a part of the crowd. Some people are special; they stand out in a crowd... And then there's the ME PHI ME - WE STAND ALONE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:31:27 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: IN> While we're (sort of) on the subject of destiny/fate... This is partially a canon-call question, partially a potential seed idea. IIRC, Soldiers automatically go to whichever side they served in life after they die. A Hellsworn goes to Hell, a Soldier of God goes to Heaven. Normal humans only go to Heaven or Hell if they meet their Destiny or Fate respectively, and are either reincarnated or destroyed if they meet neither. Both is still unknown. Now, let's say there's a...hmm...Soldier of War. He does his job well, serves Michael wholeheartedly, etc. He even got Laurence's attention by managing to destroy the headquarters of a group of fairly old Hellsworn and their *very* senior immediate superiors (not Princes). Both those Superiors are keeping close eyes on him, specifically because he does his job so well, and it's believed in the Groves that he'll wind up a fairly important Saint when he dies. What he didn't know was that he managed to set a good many people on the roads to their Fates that way, because those people were related to the Hellsworn and Got Angry. Fast. Factions was in heaven (figuratively speaking), Death was happy because of the cumulative death tolls (between the people killed by the angry relatives, the innocents accidentally taken out in the destruction, etc.) Somehow, Michael hasn't realized that his Soldier wound up helping Hell out so much with that one action (that, or he's ignoring it because of the good results he's gotten from other acts)...and, because Michael is hostile to Yves, no Servitor of Destiny has thought to check the Soldier's Fate. Until now. You see, the Soldier has already *met* his Fate. But nobody's realized it, specifically because he's a Soldier of God, and so loyal to Michael. His Fate was to be the direct cause of a good many pointless deaths, and he's done that. His *Destiny*, on the other hand, was to become a Soldier of *Stone*, fostering unity among people and the usual. *** Here's where I want the canon call. If a Soldier of God meets his Fate, or a Hellsworn meets his Destiny, without personally switching sides and while continuing to do his job for his Superior, which realm does he go to? And if he meets both, or neither, what happens? Assuming that it's the same as human rules, here's the rest of the seed. *** A Servitor of Yves managed to get a Michaelite's attention long enough to mention what had happened. Fortunately, both were Seraphim, so they believed each other. The Warrior brought it to Michael's attention... ...and here's where the PCs come in. If angelic, hopefully there's a Servitor of War, Destiny, the Sword, or Stone in the group. David and Laurence have been drafted by Michael to help in this case, and Yves is working for reasons of his own. Angels will be ordered to keep demons away from the Soldier at all costs, and do anything in their power to get him to his Destiny. The major problem is that he's incredibly loyal to Michael and loves his job - he isn't particularly interested in Stone. Demons will meet Kerri, Lilim of Fate and Knight of the Winged Chariot (Fated Future is a must here); Dhanus, Djinn of Factions and Captain of the Broken Promise (if there's a Cherub in the angelic party, evil GMs may give Dhanus the Djinn of Fate Attunement for his work in this situation;) and Marek, Impudite of the War (who is only working with them on Baal's direct orders - this is too good a coup against Michael for Baal to stay out.) Kerri picked out his Fate early on, and with Marek's help, managed to get the Soldier (Garret Ryder) the necessary information and materials to take out the aforementioned headquarters. The Hellsworn and demons were a plant. Dhanus is attuned to Garret, and periodically re-attunes before it wears out (just to keep track of him.) Kerri holds at least one Geas and likely more on him (perhaps one to avoid angels of Stone?), and Marek is handling all the 'human' connections. Demonic PCs will be expected to keep *angels* away from the Soldier, particularly Michaelites and Davidians. They're also expected to try and lead him further into damnation 'just in case'. Then, of course, there's the inevitable clash... Michael and Laurence will be *very* pleased if PCs manage to salvage Garret before he dies. The Princes involved will probably reward generously if the PCs accomplish their mission perfectly. And if something else happens - reincarnation, etc - well, nobody will really be *happy* about it, but at least they know what to expect now. Notes: GARRET: Give him at least seven Forces, distributed however, as well as various abilities from Michael and Laurence. Angelic connections are a must. KERRI: 11 Forces, fairly balanced. Lilim of Fate, Fated Future, Knight of Fate, possibly Lilim of Factions. DHANUS: 13 Forces, heavy on Celestial. Djinn of Fate Attunement is a possibility. MAREK: Average Servitor of the War, really. Think potential PC. (hell, you could have a player RP him...) Weighted toward Ethereal, if anything. In Bright campaigns, he's taken a liking to Garret and may well be Redeemable... The rest can be customized to suit your game. (C&C, edits, anything? ^_^) ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Only a cynic can create horror--for behind every masterpiece of the sort must reside a driving daemonic force that despises the human race and its illusions, and longs to pull them to pieces and mock them. H.P. Lovecraft (*coughKobalcough*) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev 2: Cardinal Sin Nice seed, definitely. An assassination attempt on the Pope is always a good excuse for a night of fun... :) But... where's the footwear? I saw the other two ingredients... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Now, am I expected to trot off into bovine obedience by your manly swagger, or just MOO?" -- Portnoy, _Bloom County_ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2267 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.