From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jun 21 20:44:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20760 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:43:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA09703 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:45:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:45:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200106220245.VAA09703@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2272 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, June 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2272 In this digest: Re: IN> A Bit of Clarification IN> Hell in the 70s... Re: IN> Challenges IN> Re: IN > On the Novalis Challenge IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Swiss They Ain't... Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II IN> Re: A happy reminder IN> Re: Poetry duels Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II IN> Re: IN > On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) Re: IN> Minor Choir: The Translators Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) Re: IN> Dancing Shoes Re: IN> Hell in the 70s... Re: IN> Re: IN > On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Re: Poetry duels Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Re: IN > On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II IN> All Iron Rev II are now posted! IN> IN CCG IN> Fwd: Re: How to use dark Dominic in anglelic campaigns Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Re: Poetry duels Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Re: IN> Re: Poetry duels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:22:59 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> A Bit of Clarification Peter Player wrote: > > >From: "Jo Hart" > > >Well, what bugs me is the casual assumption that military action (whether > >assault, subversion, or espionage) must always be the most efficient way to > >deal with any situation, and any archangel who doesn't specialise in one of > >those things is somehow useless. > > That bugs me too. I don't believe I ever suggested that Novalis was > *useless*, or that violence was the most efficient way to fight the War. If > I implied this, it was unintentional, and I apologize. My problem stems > from the fact that whenever Novalis gets involved in a story or plot seed, > it seems that it is the Archangels of the War Faction who are fast on the > way to dunselhood. The fact that Novalis does not specialize in violence or > military actions does not render her useless -- far, *far* from it -- but > neither does the fact that other Archangels use such techniques render > *them* useless, or somehow give Novalis the moral high ground and the upper > hand in any debate with them. All I wanted to challenge people to do was > write something that portrays Novalis as fallible -- just like all the other > AA's. I mean, haven't there been stories about Michael jumping in, axe > swinging, where a gentler touch might've produced better results, or where > Dominic's Inquisition was portrayed as villainous, when all that was needed > was a little love and understanding? I honestly haven't seen nearly as many of either of them as I have seen stories where Novalis was presented as--not even stupid or inept, so much as insincere, either as someone who clings to an obviously flawed philosophy out of sheer stubborness, or...as someone who doesn't cling to her philosophy. :-) (Which is to say, the stories where the slightest push results in Novalis throwing aside gentleness, charging into the fray with bare hands, feet, and teeth, and promptly Falling.) Mind you, I consider any of the above flawed. Only the silliest of campaigns should treat Words as examples of, "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." The problem with writing stories where Superiors are shown as fallible is that unless it's Saminga, or another Superior who can be legitimately interpreted as "not quite bright" (not a description I would call it accurate to apply to Novalis, Dominic or Michael), it needs to be a way that someone superhumanly intelligent can flub up badly. (Not that it can't be done--it's just hard.) - -- Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:14:47 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Hell in the 70s... That Dancing Shoes thread got me thinking... Could there have been a modern era more influenced by Hell in recent memory then the American 70s? - -We had Lillith boosting Women's Lib and other movements, causing hell with social relations in the process - -We had Andrealphus promoting the sexual revolution - -We had Nybbas build the foundations of modern Television - -We had Baal, Belial, Beleth and Saminga causing a mess of things in Vietnam - -We had Haagenti, Mammon and Vapula build the foundations of modern commercial society - -Fleurity, of course, was backing the whole rush of new drugs invading society, like Cocaine and Crack - -And finally, who else but Kobal could've invented Disco? ^^ Truly, The Seventies were the "Me" Generation, and you don't get more "Me" then the Demons, can you? - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:40:06 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Challenges Janet Anderson wrote: > In a science fiction novel called *At the Seventh Level*, whose author I> don't remember, Suzette Haden Elgin. She has lots of interesting Novalis-like ideas (though most of her novels require a pretty stretched suspension of disbelief). - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:51:01 -0700 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: IN> Re: IN > On the Novalis Challenge Just another 2 cents on Novalis: Her word is Flowers, not Peace. While hegemonic American English most often equates Flowers with Peace, there are other views of the word. From a botanical standpoint, for instance, flowers are some rather ruthless and crafty organisms. They are willing to sacrifice parts of themselves as fruit and pollen to spread themselves. They also understand the advantages of a rapid deployment of overwhelming numbers. And for those rare bits they actually _care_ about (those all important seeds), they defend them with some of the world's nastiest negative reinforcements in the form of cyanides, neurotoxins, and the occasional horde of symbiotic ants. I don't think Novalis has to Fall in order to have strength or even intelligence. Her word offers her some time-honored plant strategies: * Appease the nasty predators with some fruit and they will spread your seeds for you. The appeasing "fruit" can be any number of things: a safe haven from violence, healing services, a cool party with some good stuff. The seeds she hopes to spread are her word: Peace and growth. Even the nastiest demon can occasionally carry some of the pollen of peace back with him just from being a sloppy eater. * Bloom big, bloom often. My guess is, Novalis understands how overwhelming numbers works in a fight. For flowers and plants, the war of existence is won by having more bodies than there are mouths capable of feeding upon them. A single servitor of Flowers is not going to spread the word nearly as well as ten or hundred. She could adopt a cold calculus where sacrificing a 100 servitors is worth spreading her word, but more likely she would send out a 100 servitors to overwhelm the opposition and guarantee that sacrifice wasn't even an issue. Perhaps a 3 to 1 ratio is enough to convince the other team to "Give Peace a Chance." * The gloves come off if you attack the seeds. I would think that Novalis has a vast arsenal of thorns, toxins, and allies at her disposal if the oppositions goes after more than the fruit. There is a number of different ways to play Novalis' thorny side, but if you wanted to keep to her "never-raise-a-fist-in-anger" image, perhaps she grants her servitors an instant-karma-like attunement that only kicks in when a servitor is attacked. Perhaps its a celestial poison that only affects those dumb enough to attack or kill a servitor. Of course, with the world evolving better idiots to thwart her idiot-proofing, the details of the instant-karma attunement might have to change to keep up with the latest arms race. * I don't mind if you take the fruit, but my friends might. Plants understand symbiosis, so there's no reason why Novalis wouldn't either. If a tree can have its own personal ant army, then I think there is nothing out of character for Novalis to call in the big guns if her word is seriously threatened. If you take out a Tether to Flowers, I think by definition, you've crossed the line and need a reminder of the overwhelming force rule. I think she would probably use her own overwhelming force if it was feasible, but I also think survival would outweigh pride. If it takes a rain of Malakim to get Asmodeus to back down, so be it. Heck, but what do I know, I'm just a poor boy from Texas, Vaughn - - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * "Never abandon faith, even in the lowest of the Fallen, until I have no choice." David's 1st Oath ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:13:56 -0500 From: "Popeman" Subject: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II The plot seeds are all posted at http://www.ishware.com/prodigal/IronRev/IR2.htm - Please come vote for your favorite. Voting will continue through Tuesday, June 26th, with winners to be announced on Thursday, June 28th. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:32:47 -0700 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Swiss They Ain't... I disagree. You don't even need a demon within a 5 mile radius >to take out the Pope. All you need is the will to nuke, nerve >gas, or cruise missle the Vatican. Sloppy, yes, effective yes, >useful to the cause of Hell, probably not. Such a tragedy >would probably bring people together, unless you can blame it >on some muslim extremists. Can any say "Holy War" boys and >girls? Still, if you play a trump card like that, you BETTER >be ready for the payback.<<< I don't think it would be all that hard for Malphas, Furfur, Magog or even Belial to set that type of scenario up. Send in some Shedim to possess a few people with access to a nuke or a cruise missile (who, for our purposes here, might come from the Middle East if you really want to screw over Khalid), have them blow up the Vatican with the Pope inside, and then the Corruptors vacate (perhaps with the help of Alaemon). Nybbas would have a field day with this (one of his own Shedim might pull a stunt like this for ratings), and he would spin it until it looked like Muslim extremists did it. This metaphysical knee to Heaven's groin would have the side-effects of seriously pissing off Judgement and The Sword, and maybe even setting them against Faith. An astute Shedite of The Media could pick up Distinctions and attunements from Nybbas, Magog, Kronos, Saminga, Malphas, and maybe even Furfur or Belial here. If this event caused another falling-out between Khalid and the rest of Heaven, and led to Khalid's Fall, our hypothetical Shedite could be rolling in the Essence and favor of much of Hell's Royalty. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 02:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Popeman wrote: > The plot seeds are all posted at > http://www.ishware.com/prodigal/IronRev/IR2.htm - Please come vote for your > favorite. > > Voting will continue through Tuesday, June 26th, with winners to be > announced on Thursday, June 28th. Okay, but I'm confused about something.... Are we just supposed to vote for our favorite, or are we rating each one on a 1-10 scale? Because I don't have a single "favorite" one... BTW, am I the only one who didn't see Brook Freeman's seed until just now? Just wanna know if my connection is funky. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! We're the only HONEST church. We tell you we want your money. The OTHER churches say "god" wants your money. It's a lie. They can't even admit they're gonna take that cash and buy hookers with it! We buy hookers AND show you the pictures! -- Sister Decadence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:59:59 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: A happy reminder > >> Congratulations! We are pleased to notify you that you are Eli > > hmmm...Who knew that Marc's people could track you down that way? Fairly simple...I'm guessing that Eli wandered off when it was his 'shout'* - - Marc's Vassal Distinction would allow him to locate Eli and demand that he pay up. james. *slang term: means your turn to buy the drinks. And if you've forgotten that you even were Eli, the bill is likely to be a bit painful..... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:15:02 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Poetry duels >>Hmmmmmm.......... I wonder if, in a competition of flower arranging where >>the outcome really _was_ vital, Michael would be able to tap into his Word >>and dredge up the skill... But only when it was a matter of requiring a >>champion. > > In a science fiction novel called *At the Seventh Level*, whose author I > don't remember, wars were decided by poetry contests. The armies were wired > into a computer; the champions made up poetry and shouted it at each other; > the computer judged the relative merits (craftsmanship) of each poem; and > the loser's army got jolts of electricity. The one whose army lasted the > longest was the winner. > > Now, in such a situation in the In Nomine universe (and I can't see how to > set it up either), your two best shots would be Eli or Michael. But if > you're only allowed one ... I don't know. There's a strong argument for > Michael's "champion" abilities kicking in, as above, but an equally strong > argument for Eli because he's Eli. > > What do people think? Laurence. For that matter, Laurence for a duel of Flower Arranging. It's very Samurai, and that's an important part of his Word. Eli would write the best poetry, and Michael would work out how to do the most damage (possibly writing poetry designed to rattle his opponent?) but combining the two concepts is The Sword. Oh, on Novalis failing miserably [real world] - a wave of new amphetamines is currently hitting OZ; they're already swamping Thailand and I imagine they'll be all over the US in a few months. The Burmese government has been persuading rebel groups to stop fighting and instead put their efforts into smuggling drugs. Lovely and peaceful - for Burma. Less good for the rest of the world. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:46:37 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" > > Are we just supposed to vote for our favorite, or are we rating each one > on a 1-10 scale? Because I don't have a single "favorite" one... D'oh! Sorry, will have to recode the voting links. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:53:32 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II OK, the text on the voting links has been corrected. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:41:32 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Re: IN > On the Novalis Challenge Vaughn Romero spoke unto us: > From a botanical standpoint, for instance, flowers are some rather ruthless > and > crafty organisms. Plants in general can be pretty nasty. Consider the creosete bush which produces a pretty potent insecticide. >* Bloom big, bloom often Let us not forget kudzu either. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:43:14 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) > Danger Sense, Absolute Timing, Absolute Direction. . . you *will* convert > to GURPS In Nomine, if solely for the ability to purchase these for your > characters as advantages rather than heavily-regulated attunements. You > *will* become GURPSian. . . come to us.... > > ;^) > > >-Perry > > William ha ha ha Oh, btw, GURPS has been my system of preference for the past 8 years. hee hee hee The basic set beat ya to it. :) hee hee hee and yes. I love GURPS In Nomine. My house rules for GIN can be found at my link to my table-top game from my webpage. :) - -Perry. kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu NEW WEB PAGE!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. " - --Chinese Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:50:25 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choir: The Translators > > > Mrflglim: The Translators > > > > Ah, the creative power of sleep deprivation. > > Indeed. I use it quite often myself. > > Well done, Matthew. > > Moe Well, in theory when you're sleep deprived (as I am at the moment), the unconscious is better able to assert itself. Or something. Must be a Blandine/Beleth thing. btw, I liked the translaters, too. :) - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu NEW WEB PAGE!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:43:04 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs (was: Superior limits) > --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > > you *will* convert > > to GURPS In Nomine, if solely for the ability to purchase > > these for your > > characters as advantages rather than heavily-regulated > > attunements. You > > *will* become GURPSian. . . come to us.... > > NOOOOOOO! I'll never go to the Dark Side! Never! :p But it's the Faster and Easier of the paths. What's the problem here? :) - -Perry. KFC perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu NEW WEB PAGE!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/perrylloyd "The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. " - --Chinese Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Dancing Shoes - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > PS: I'm actually now in MD. Alas, my stuff isn't, so > now I have to go get it. For the next two weekends. > Why is it so bloody difficult for me to actually get > to PLAY this RPG? Is it too much to ask for _one_ > fragging weekend free? Just one? Hey, if you could get to San Antonio I'd run a game just because. Alas, travel isn't really an option for me right now (not even for such a good cause). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hell in the 70s... - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Could there have been a modern era more influenced by > Hell in recent memory then the American 70s? With the exception of modern American politics, I'd have to agree. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN > On the Novalis Challenge - --- Vaughn Romero wrote: > Just another 2 cents on Novalis: Agreed on all points -- and this from another poor boy from Texas. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:38:20 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II Why isn't my seed "Dancing Shoes" among the entries? - -- Eric _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:48:20 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Re: Poetry duels james walker wrote: > Laurence. For that matter, Laurence for a duel of Flower Arranging. It's> very Samurai, and that's an important part of his Word. Laurence isn't a samurai. He's a knight. There's a big difference. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:16:13 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II From: "Eric Bertish" > Why isn't my seed "Dancing Shoes" among the entries? Did you not put "Iron Rev" in the subject line when you posted it? Either way, I'm sorry that I failed to get it posted last night. If you send me another copy, I'll get it coded and posted ASAP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:35:26 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN > On the Novalis Challenge >Vaughn >- * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - >* - * - * >"Never abandon faith, even in the lowest of the Fallen, until I have no >choice." David's 1st Oath An interesting choice of .sig quotes. I think that Novalis and David have more in common, too -- Novalis does, after all, come off as rather "earthy" at times. Also, the violence that plants inflict is *passive*. They do nothing until they're harmed or attacked, and even they they don't react dynamically; the predator simply plows forward until he hits a thorn, or a poison, or an ally. This is very similar to Stone's outlook on violence, which is that aligning yourself against God is rather like banging your head against a boulder. You're doing *something*, but not what you intended, and it's hardly the boulder's fault when you come away with a bloody head. In a mixed group of Stonies and Flowerchildren, perhaps engaged in lanscaping a flower-and-rock garden for a pleasant building, you might not be able to tell who was who until the first punch was thrown at them. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:50:01 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II >Did you not put "Iron Rev" in the subject line when you posted it? I guess not, but I know it was in the body of the post. :( - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:58:07 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II From: "Eric Bertish" > > >Did you not put "Iron Rev" in the subject line when you posted it? > > I guess not, but I know it was in the body of the post. :( That's how I wound up screwing up and missing it, in that case. Could you send me another copy, please? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:38:02 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II >That's how I wound up screwing up and missing it, in that case. Could you >send me another copy, please? Already winging its merry way to you as we speak. ;) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:40:40 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> All Iron Rev II are now posted! OK, refresh http://www.ishware.com/prodigal/IronRev/IR2.htm and you'll finally see all the entries, including the one I missed yesterday. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:25:44 -0600 From: "Brad Julius" Subject: IN> IN CCG I'm not exactly sure what happened to this thread, but I've actually been thinking about it over the last week or so and, having little to no experience with more than one CCG (2 actually, 1 of which was recalled) I feel that I've either coincidentally taken something from another CCG or not at all. Basically, here's my idea: I took the approach of "you have to take control of a city". So basically you're an Archangel or Demon Prince and are trying to gain control of a number of locations through the accumulation of Good/Bad, Holy/Evil, White/Black, Whatever/Etc. points. Off the start you would have 5 locations (1 Tether and 4 Locales) that each player would place in front of them. You would also have a Senechal in your Tether to keep PCs from merely going right after an opponent's "HQ" off the bat. Next, every PC would have a starter amount of Essence, with which they use to summon Characters, cause Events, create Equipment, and so forth. Gameplay would go as such: NEW NEWS: 1) New Locations: PCs play any new locations that they have in their hand if they wish to. (The if is still in question, but for now if), 2) Movement: Characters move amongst locations, 3) Summoning: New Characters may now be brought into play. OLD NEWS: 1) Draw/Discard: Self-explanatory, to maintain hand size/get new cards, 2) Non-Combat Events: NCEs are played now COMBAT: 1) Combat targets are decided, 2) Combat Events: CEs are played now, 3) Combat is resolved WORK: 1) Work: Non-fighting Characters may work at generating Essence or Holy/Evil points, 2) Search: If need-be, Character may search. READY HANDS: 1 turn has paased. Time of day changes. (4 times: Dawn, Noon, Dusk, and Midnight) Starter deacks will be based on Archangel/Demon Prince. Each box will have its Superior's picture, name, and title clearly illustrated (I would suggest all illustrations be taken from the basic phb), and a brief description of that Superior on the back. To keep PC's from being over saturated by too many options I would suggest using only 5 AA/DPs off the start, until the game gets a foothold into mainstream gaming. Further details forthcoming, suggestions accepted. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:50:49 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: Re: How to use dark Dominic in anglelic campaigns >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:03:03 -0600 >From: "Lolly or Jose Valdez" >To: "Elizabeth McCoy" >Subject: Re: How to use dark Dominic in anglelic campaigns >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 > >Yes please foward this to the In Nomine list. Also pleas send futer E-mails >and other responses to Tezcatlipoca3@Juno.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Elizabeth McCoy >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 14:14 >Subject: Re: How to use dark Dominic in anglelic campaigns > > >> (Should I be forwarding this to the In Nomine list?) >> >> At 12:37 PM -0600 6/20/01, kilgoretrout@uswest.net wrote: >> >Another way to use this idea is have the PC's slowly find out bits and >pieces like a Celestial X files. And when they do find out Who Can They >Tell? Michael and Yevs would be afraid of the chaos that would ensue, >Gabriel and those on the ropes with Dominic couldn't be trusted. Perhaps >the best one to go to would be Dominic himself, if you accused him in public >he might insist on a very public trial, then things get truly interesting. >> > >> >By the way the demonic word for Dominic would still have to be Judgment, >which is subjective and can be faulty, rather than Justice which is >objective and Divine. >> > >> >One more snag, what if he fell even earlier than Casca suggests? Here is >the scenario, when God put announced the non interference policy on >humanity, Dominic not yet then a Archangel but merely the angle of Judgment >failed to understand why. "Why, is this animal different," he had no >evidence of anything exceptional yet, and why were the more powerful and >wise angles not allowed to help them. This is understandable, Judgment >requires logic, and evidence, but God is ineffable, you can't judge it you >have to have FAITH. Reeking of dissonance, perhaps already "fallen" he >sought out the one he thought could shed light on the situation, The >Archangel of Light... >> > >> >So it began. >> > >> >His fall having predated the fall could be what allows him to exist in >heaven, perhaps Dominic is the one who is truly in charge down below too. >After all, in order to do evil, one must first make a JUDGMENT of what is >right and wrong, then choose wrong. >> > >> >If he is relay in charge in Hell, then the discovery of that could be a >demonic adventure, then who do you tell... and why? >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:15:12 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II From: "Eric Bertish" > > >That's how I wound up screwing up and missing it, in that case. Could you > >send me another copy, please? > > Already winging its merry way to you as we speak. ;) Thanks. Any comments on the site design? Jonesing for feedback here... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:24:43 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Re: Poetry duels >> Laurence. For that matter, Laurence for a duel of Flower Arranging. It's> very Samurai, and that's an important part of his Word. > >Laurence isn't a samurai. He's a knight. There's a big difference. But the samurai way of life does come under the word of the Sword - or if it doesn't *yet*, it should *now*. The bit about obeying one's superior without question *alone* makes it fit, and that's without going into details about katana/wakizashi, the codes of honor, the etiquette... I will, however, refer to a quote, rather appropriate for this: "The idea of a samurai is a warrior who already serves, one who has already found his master and has his place in the social order, a knight in the feudal system answerable to a lord but in charge of his own particular patch." (Hugo Fitzduane, 'Games of the Hangman') Need I say more? ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A knight is sworn to valor. His heart knows only virtue. His blade defends the helpless. His might upholds the weak. His word speaks only truth. His wrath undoes the wicked. King Arthur, 'Dragonheart' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:22:33 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II >From: "Prodigal" > >Any comments on the site design? Jonesing for feedback here... Well, you missed the 't' in my last name. ;) I like it, overall. I think the vote-by-email thing is a bit kludgy; some sort of javascript polling system would be a bit smoother for voters. Other than that, good show. - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Please come vote: Iron Rev II - --- Prodigal wrote: > Any comments on the site design? Jonesing for feedback > here... 0:> Nice to see that programmers and site designers are as bad as writers in that regard. I liked the simplicity of it -- not a lot of bells and whistles to slow down the download time. Of course, some people might call that a boring site. YMMV. Of course, you can't go wrong with the flaming feather graphic. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Poetry duels - --- "S.D." wrote: > But the samurai way of life does come under the word of > the Sword I agree -- but Laurence tends to follow the paradigm of the western chivalric code rather than bushido. Shoot, he's the patron of the Catholic Church, the folks who gave us the Knights Templar. Shinto is something that Larry frowns on. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2272 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.