From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jun 26 10:26:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27221 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:26:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA20237 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:11:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:11:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200010282111.QAA20237@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2277 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, October 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 2277 In this digest: Re: IN> hobbies, was Re: Poetry duels IN> Magog lives? Re: IN> Dancing Shoes Addendum Re: IN> Magog lives? RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> Magog lives? Re: IN> Request from a game log junky RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 1: Beginnings of Distress RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> Discussion or Edicts? Re: IN> Discussion or Edicts? Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 1: Beginnings of Distress IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 1: Beginnings of Distress Re: IN> Dancing Shoes Addendum Re: IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Re: IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons IN> Iron Rev vote deadline: Tonight at midnight IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain Re: IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:19:06 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> hobbies, was Re: Poetry duels Perhaps he still is.... You never can tell with DP's, they proply cultivate dissonance for fun and then scourge it from themselves for a light refreshing shower. >That being said, at least one of the rumors in Superiors 4 claims >Alaemon is an Enigmatologist for fun. Or was before he got his Word >and Rank, at least. >-- >Eric Alfred Burns - > >Habbalite of Belaboring the Point Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:44:47 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Magog lives? Got a quick question for you crazy cats. Okay, according to official In Nomine continuity ... What happened to Magog? I know that in Rev 5 he gets dug up my Malphas and Co. and sicked on the world ... but also, as I remember, if you play through all of Rev 5, Khalid falls and everything goes completely crazy. And then, at the end of the book, they tell you how things really worked out (with Khalid getting a little more open-minded about those infidels and rejoining Heaven and such). So does that erase Magog getting freed too? Is the Shedite of Shedim still buried in the desert? Was he ever dug up in the first place? I'm working from memory here, but it's kind of important to my PBeM game. Thanks. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:53:01 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Dancing Shoes Addendum Michael, you frighten me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:03:45 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Magog lives? Jonathan Walton wrote: > > Got a quick question for you crazy cats. > > Okay, according to official In Nomine continuity ... > > What happened to Magog? > > I know that in Rev 5 he gets dug up my Malphas and Co. and sicked on the > world ... but also, as I remember, if you play through all of Rev 5, Khalid > falls and everything goes completely crazy. And then, at the end of the > book, they tell you how things really worked out (with Khalid getting a > little more open-minded about those infidels and rejoining Heaven and > such). So does that erase Magog getting freed too? Is the Shedite of > Shedim still buried in the desert? Was he ever dug up in the first place? If Khalid Falls, then he stays Fallen, as the Habbalite Prince of Fanaticism. The "default" assumption is that he did not Fall, but it depends on the individual game. By the same token, Magog may be permanently destroyed or he may remain at large as a minor Prince...but he's unlikely to get buried again. The events of The Final Trumpet are not undone. - -- Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:04:33 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge At 4:16 PM -0600 6/25/01, Julian Mensch wrote: > > Novalis is /mom/. And -- ask any guy -- "mom" isn't sexy. >(Which is not to say that moms can't be sexy IRL, just that >the nurturing mother figure is not a male fantasy architype.) Ahhh... but Novalis is *not* typically portrayed as Mom in her INML incarnation. She might be portrayed as a nurturer, but she's definitely got a sexual identity and demeanor. She might be Mom in the main book, but on the list she's definitely in the fabulous babe category. (And in some of the supplements, for that matter. Cf. Valefor's take on her in Superiors 4. Valefor's not looking at her as Mom -- especially when he suggests a three way with Lilith.) That is officially more than I intended to debate what was a silly post. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:06:18 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Magog lives? At 6:44 PM -0400 6/25/01, Jonathan Walton wrote: >Got a quick question for you crazy cats. > >Okay, according to official In Nomine continuity ... > >What happened to Magog? He disappeared after The Battle with Gabriel. It is assumed he is dead, but who knows? (However, If I Recall Correctly his rites no longer work. You'd need Elizabeth "Fabulous Ba--" er... "Archangel Beth" McCoy to say for sure.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:31:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Request from a game log junky At 9:35 PM -0700 6/22/01, Vaughn Romero wrote: http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~emccoy/IOU/myINIOU.html (Also on sporadic hiatus.) >P.S. Question for those of you whose logs involve the IRC-like chat and >automatic dice rolls: what software are you using and is it available to us >mundanes? (and no, I have not been on a MOO, MUSH, whatever, before, so >excuse my ignorance.) You'd have to ask someone else. I just entered in the code as specified, in the Inner Shedite. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:15:38 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge >From: Whistling in the Dark > >She might be Mom in the main book, but on the list she's definitely >in the fabulous babe category. > I thought she was more of an earthy hippy chick in the main book. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:19:37 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: IN> On the Novalis Challenge >Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > At 4:16 PM -0600 6/25/01, Julian Mensch wrote: > > > > Novalis is /mom/. And -- ask any guy -- "mom" isn't sexy. > >(Which is not to say that moms can't be sexy IRL, just that > >the nurturing mother figure is not a male fantasy architype.) > > She might be Mom in the main book, but on the list she's definitely > in the fabulous babe category. > > (And in some of the supplements, for that matter. Cf. Valefor's take > on her in Superiors 4. Valefor's not looking at her as Mom -- > especially when he suggests a three way with Lilith.) > I just pulled the main book off the shelf and checked. Nowhere, in the main write up, does it say that Novalis is a Mother archetype. Earth mother, yes, sometimes. But that is something altogether different. In general, i can certainly see her playing the Mommy role, being the one that angels run to when they need some unconditional love ad comfort. That certainly fits in with the Novalis the Healer, and the nurturing aspects of her word. But flowers also have romantic and erotic connections Suffice it to say, cannon on Novalis certainly allows for her to have a sexual / romantic / erotic identity. In conclusion, I am reminded of an old friend who wanted to make love on a bed made entirely of rose petals. Yeah. -Daiv, tech writer in service to Coffee, in search of a superior. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:22:33 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Jo Hart wrote: > > >From: Whistling in the Dark > > > >She might be Mom in the main book, but on the list she's definitely > >in the fabulous babe category. > > > > I thought she was more of an earthy hippy chick in the main book. > The two are not mutually exclusive. I know any number of fabulous babe earthy hippy chicks. Why, yes, I do live in Santa Cruz, where the Sixties have yet to end... -Daiv, Tech writer in service to Coffee, in search of superior (with an interview on Thursday...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:37:21 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge >From: Daiv >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:22:33 -0700 > > > >Jo Hart wrote: > > > > >From: Whistling in the Dark > > > > > >She might be Mom in the main book, but on the list she's definitely > > >in the fabulous babe category. > > > > > > > I thought she was more of an earthy hippy chick in the main book. > > > > > The two are not mutually exclusive. I know any number of >fabulous babe earthy hippy chicks. I know. I meant that it didn't say she was a Mother figure. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:45:20 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Jo Hart wrote: > > >From: Daiv > >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >Subject: Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge > >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:22:33 -0700 > > > > > > > >Jo Hart wrote: > > > > > > >From: Whistling in the Dark > > > > > > > >She might be Mom in the main book, but on the list she's definitely > > > >in the fabulous babe category. > > > > > > > > > > I thought she was more of an earthy hippy chick in the main book. > > > > > > > > > The two are not mutually exclusive. I know any number of > >fabulous babe earthy hippy chicks. > > I know. I meant that it didn't say she was a Mother figure. > > jo Oh. well that is very different. Never mind. -Daiv, Tech Writer in service to Coffee, in search of a superior (and old enough to remember and miss Gilda Radner...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:48:37 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge At 11:15 PM -0400 6/25/01, Jo Hart wrote: >>From: Whistling in the Dark >> >>She might be Mom in the main book, but on the list she's definitely >>in the fabulous babe category. >> > >I thought she was more of an earthy hippy chick in the main book. Which is where "might" came from. Some folks read that as "Mom," which I reffed. Me myself? I see her as... hm. Novalis. Does that count? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 1: Beginnings of Distress This is very interesting, but I detect a typo, methinks. >After the fourth day, Belial takes the bait. > >And is promptly ambushed by Michael, Laurence, Janus, >Khalid, Jean, and, a nanosecond later, David. Gabriel >gets her own licks in. All of this is fine. Way overdue, but fine. >Belial dies in moments. You meant to say, 'over the course of thirteen endlessly excrutiating days', right? ;) Moe "What do _you_ want?" "I'd like to live _just_ long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I'd look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like _this_. Can you and your associates arrange it for me, Mr. Belial?" Lane* *It's been a long day. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:57:11 -0600 From: "Julian Mensch" Subject: RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge << Ahhh... but Novalis is *not* typically portrayed as Mom in her INML incarnation. She might be portrayed as a nurturer, but she's definitely got a sexual identity and demeanor. >> I'll agree she's got a sexual identity, but then any character not neuter, pre-puberty or post-menopause should have that. What I was saying is that she's not a "fabulous babe" -- a typical male fantasy architype. At least, AFAICT. > That is officially more than I intended to debate what was > a silly post. Oh, I'm not challenging you. The reason I responded in such seriousness is not because I strongly disagree with your point, but because I think that identifying common sexual/erotic architypes and being /aware/ of them is conducting to good writing and essential to avoiding unintended cheese. It's an important element in analysis of any work or setting, so I wanted to throw in my two cents on the topic. I guess I really haven't seen a sexual tone to Novalis' list-persona*, whereas others have. I do think some characters (Gabriel and Lilith particulairly, but also Blandine and Beleth WRT their past together) were written with sex appeal in mind, but I don't see that as much in Novalis... I'm not denying her sexuality is there, I'm just denying it as a defining trait, or as the reason that people want her to "win". - -- Julian Mensch * Bearing in mind that I haven't been on the list as long as many people, so I may not seen some of the racier vignettes that defined her INML persona. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:58:42 -0600 From: "Julian Mensch" Subject: RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge > I thought she was more of an earthy hippy chick in the main book. I try not to remember that part. :( - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge - --- Jo Hart wrote: > I know. I meant that it didn't say she was a Mother > figure. I seem to remember that in the GMG it's suggested that you play up the Mom thing in Bright settings. I like that bit, myself, especially when you keep the attitude and turn down the Brightness... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:32:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge At 5:57 PM -0600 6/25/01, Julian Mensch wrote: >cents on the topic. I guess I really haven't seen a sexual >tone to Novalis' list-persona*, whereas others have. I do This may be helped along (if one is minded to see it in the first place) by the bit in Superiors 2, regarding occasional alliances with Lust. (Just to cramp the war-mongers, of course. All hush-hush.) p. 16, S2. Darned good Andrea in that pic, too, that Michael Phillippi did. If one is not of a mind to see that side of her as very prominant, though, I think the text (and picture) support that view just as well. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:54:40 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Discussion or Edicts? At 7:10 PM -0400 6/22/01, Michael J. Person wrote: >the case that David and the other authors of said books Other authors can speak for themselves -- please don't presume that any one author speaks for _all_ other authors, or line editors, or other fans, or my cats... - --Elizabeth McCoy, In Nomine Line Editor (arcangel@io.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:42:00 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Discussion or Edicts? > Other authors can speak for themselves -- please don't presume that > any one author speaks for _all_ other authors, or line > editors, or other fans, or my cats... Of course, I feel sympathy for the person that tries to speak for a cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:14:19 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 1: Beginnings of Distress Two words: Hot damn. - -- William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Because I felt like it. Why else do I do any of this? :) Moe Death Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 6 Celestial Forces: 4 Will: 8 Perception: 8 Vessels: young Goth woman/4, +2 Charisma; seven-foot walking skeleton/3, +1 Charisma Skills: Dodge/4, Emote/3, Fighting/4, Knowledge (Thanatology/6, Psychology/3), Large Weapons (sword/4, scythe/4) Songs: Dreams (All/3), Entropy (Ethereal/6), Motion (Celestial/3), Shields (All/3), Tongues (Ethereal/3) This is one of the _nice_ Deaths. Funny about that, really: previous generations weren't exactly ready to have sympathetic Grim Reapers running around. It probably says volumes about modern Western society that a personification of Death can thrive off of popular culture alone. On the other hand, _this_ Death is well worth knowing, so maybe it's not so bad after all. It should be explicitly noted here that this Death derives his/her major personality quirks and forms from the works of Mr. Gaiman and Mr. Pratchett (two authors, incidentially, whose unseen - and unsuspected - - celestial bodyguard details increases every year). While few if any of their corporeal readers actually believe in the authors' respective anthropomorphic representations, most of them secretly _wish_ that said A.R.s did. That will do, actually ... at least for now. Death has a plan, you see: he wants to go mainstream. Honestly, the world would be much better off if he/she did, right? That lunatic Saminga is doing disgusting things to humanity's heads - granted, he's a Demon Prince, that what they do, but that doesn't make it _right_ - and he has to be stopped. Think about how much better life would be if nobody feared the Reaper. There'd be a whole lot less fear in general, for one thing, and that'd be worth it right there. Of course, before this happy alleviation of human suffering can take effect, a few little details need to be attended to, such as surviving the increasingly - - hostile attention of Beleth and Saminga. Then there's the minor difficulty of getting powerful enough to successfully challenge and eliminate the Prince of Death. After _that_, there's the formality of keeping the Host off of Death's back. Little things like that. In his/her glummer moments, Death recognizes that he/she probably doesn't stand a chance - but what other choice is there, really? The ethereal was created from the unconscious hope of an increasingly-frantic humanity that there'd be _somebody_ who cared on the other side of their last heartbeat. Death declines to weasel out of his/her side of the deal just because it's certainly going to be fatal, very soon. However... it should be noted that, for some very odd and mysterious reason, there's an distinct lack of interest in energetically pursuing him/her among the the celestial population. Sure, Beleth and Saminga send out kill squads, but they're about the only ones who seem to get worked up about Death. Blandine, in particular, is notorious for her public indifference - but then, so is Nybbas. When the subject of Death comes up among most angels and demons, the usual response is the usual orthodox party line on ethereals, modified by a heavy vein of wistfulness. Well, after all, when you come right down to it, Saminga _is_ a insanely gibbering idiot... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:57:28 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' From: "Maurice Lane" > > Vessels: young Goth woman/4, +2 Charisma; seven-foot > walking skeleton/3, +1 Charisma You forgot the one-foot tall skeltal rat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:17:40 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 1: Beginnings of Distress This is cool. I'm looking forward to seeing how you handle the Anti-Christ. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:13:40 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Dancing Shoes Addendum Apparently I missed the original post of this thread. Would the author please forward a copy to me? Thanks. - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:34:36 -0700 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons Malakim of fire: "You may experience a burning sensation; this is normal." Malakim of Judgment (spoken with campy Ahnold accent) "Court is adjourned." Malakim of Children "Time to send the bad wittle demon home..." Malakim of Animals "Bad dog! No biscuit!" Malakim of Stone (with credit to Mel Blanc and Bugs Bunny) "Why did you DOO that Leopold? You know it makes me VERRRY ANNNGRY. It makes me want to do TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE things to you. " Malakim of War (for the Clint Eastwood fans out there) "I know what you're thinking punk... Did he spend 8 Essence or did he spend 9? Well to tell you the truth, in all the confusion I kinda lost count. But seeing as this is a 44 inch flaming sword, and it can take your head clean off with a single swing, you have to ask yourself one question: do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk?" Malakim of the Sword (spoken with a campy Spanglish accent) "Hallo. My name is Inigo Montoya. You Rebelled against my Father. Prepare to Die." Malakim of Lightning "Bragging is inefficient . This isn't." Malakim of Wind "I believe this belongs to you... Oh... Ah, never mind." Malakim of Revelations "This is going to hurt you a lot more than it's going to hurt me." Malakim of Flowers "In the long run, pushing up daisies is a much better use of your time." Vaughn, "I'll have a witty comeback as soon as I'm out of Trauma " - - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - "Never abandon faith, even in the lowest of the Fallen, until I have no choice." David's 1st Oath ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 05:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Death Huh. And I though Gaiman's Death wouldn't work in IN. Shows how much I know. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:50:16 -0700 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons > Any additions people want to add? "Let he who has eyes see the end of the dark path upon the shining blade of Righteousness, the sword that cleaves truth from lies and good from evil..." Malakite of Revelation. "It is your Destiny that I hold in my hands." Malakite of Destiny with a Tek-9. "Return ye to the Abyss from which ye spawned, foul abonimation of Evil!" Malakite of the Sword, going medieval on some demon. "Let me drop something on ya. You either Redeem, right here and now, or I cap your Infernal @$$. What's it gonna be?" Malakite of Revelation or War with a gun (probably newly-fledged). "Time to Layeth the Smiteth Down!" Malakite of Fire in a bad mood. "I have stastically weighed the probability quotients of each alternative to the current dilemma and cross-referenced those data to the databases on your Band and your Prince, and have come to the inescapable conclusion that it would be most optimal to remove your poteniality matrix from the Symphony." Malakite of Lightning. "Nature's Wrath be upon you!" Malakite of Animals or possibly Flowers. "See children? This is a demon. Demons are bad." *drags demon into another room and messily soul-slays him, then comes back. "See children? This is a Force. Forces are pretty, aren't they?" Malakite of Children. "Tell you what? I'll give you this Relic for your surrender? No?" *shoots the demon* "Well, he got the Relic at least." *blows smoke away from the Holy Pistole. Malakite of Trade. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:21:13 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Just for a bit of perspective, from GURPS: IN, page 104, empathisis mine: "[Novalis] is a powerful *female* principle... her word now resonantes with tones of growth, nuturing and peace." Also from G: IN, same page: "[She] most often manifests as a *cross* between a *debutante* /and/ a *flower child*-- elegant, earthy, flamboyant, and introspective *by turns*." From IN, Main Book, page 109: "... [I]f you summon Novalis at a crash Worship show, she'll be the girl who puts her hands over your eyes and says, 'Guess who?'" From the material at hand (including and beyond the quoted), and with gentle application of the IMS (In My Symphony) principle (soley as a game term, mind you... :) ): NOVALIS is a being that encompasses all it is to be feminine. She is Mom, she is protective Big Sister, she is annoying Little Sister, and she is pride inducing Daughter. She's got refinement to spare, but prefers a relaked touch to being a stuffed shirt. Part of her is surely protective, but as others have noted it's the protection of thorns and not of teeth and claw. She's got this odd mix of authority and coolness. Kind of like a good mom, huh? :) She can be elegant as all hang, and Dominic would certainly prefer she /was/ always like that. She prefers to save that for when she /has/ to be. She's thoughtful, a thinker; she can also be very playful. I most often pair her in Bright Campaigns with Eli if I'm in the mood to do AAs in Love; they strike me as having enough opposites to attract and enough common ground to pair up. Jordi, I play her as seeing as needing some understanding. She respects Yves as "Dad". David's obsession with strength makes her /very/ wary. As for Michael-- she expects and accepts their natural disagreements--- She's Flowers (peace). He's War. What does one expect? In Brighter campaigns, it can be a friendly exchange of insults, and at my darkest Michael is outright to destory her and Novalis' thorns often surprise him... - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:30:28 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:34:36 -0700, Vaughn Romero wrote: And of course, there's the onee that that abrasive Soldier of Janus shared with his Malakim friends. "Let's break some sh-- tonight." "Don't you know? I'm like a chainsaw. Gonna skin yer ass raw." (And yes, he /is/. Believes in God (he says), and a surpreme aggitator? Either a Haballah or a Janus Servitor, and I'm too mean to make all hardcores hellsworn :) - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:36:26 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Iron Rev vote deadline: Tonight at midnight Voting ends tonight at Midnight CST, so if you haven't already voted, please do so. The more votes I get, the more objective the final result will be. ;) So go to http://www.ishware.com/prodigal/IronRev/IR2.htm and let me know what you think... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:36:22 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain LAST NIGHT: "Hold now, evil villains!" "Joey," said the Kurth, a mild mannered Djinn, "we're the evil villains." "Hold now, super heroes! Or I will give you a taste of justice!" "Vengence." "Vengence!" The four angels facing the two small demons looked faintly confused. They stood on the roof of the high-rise, looking at each other. And then, coming to a conclusion, they charged. "Look at that," said Joey with his hands in his pockets and a small sniff. "Not only are they not using their super powers, they're not even wearing spandex." "We better get out of here, man!" shouted Kurth, feeling that bit of panic that sets in when faced with several angry, rampaging angels. "They're gonna kill us!" But, with a sad little *pop*, Joey was already gone, teleported to another part of the dirty city below. "Uh... Joey?" THREE YEARS AGO: "Why are we here, master?" the Habbalah Joiel asked. The ancient Habbalah eyed this new one with a wary and slightly bored eye. "To punish the weak for the greater glory of God," he recited. Joiel had heard this bit before. "Why are we in Hell, Master, if we're working for the greater glory of God?" "Because it is our place," said the Habbalah. Joiel had heard all this before, too. He worked through what little he knew about the Fall, and had difficulty understanding what it was All About. Everytime he asked, he heard the same litany about punishing the weak. "If we're angels," said Joiel, "and we work for the greater glory of God, why aren't we in Heaven?" "Because," said the bored and becoming irate Habbalah, "God placed us here after the Fall." "I know the Fall was bad. I learned all about it on a TV show. But, I was thinking, Master... Couldn't we just say we're sorry?" Joiel was very hot on saying he was sorry to God. He wasn't clear what he was sorry about, but there was a spiffy Hallmark store in Shal-Mari that had funny apology cards, and he thought that maybe, if he drew a funny face in it and sent it to God, everything would be better. "No." "Why not?" "It's not that simple, Joiel. Begone from my presence." TWO YEARS AGO: Young Joiel, now Joey Blackburn, mild mannered high school student by day, demon hellion by night, was still confused on this issue. If you couldn't say you were sorry to God, clearly there was a reason for hanging around in Hell. He was only sixteen for a few days before one of his new human friends introduced him to the answer... in the form of the Uncanny X-Men. _Now_ he got it. It all suddenly made sense. He knew why it wasn't so easy. The way he figured it, angels were super-heroes for God. And super-heroes needed foes to foil, the same way Professor X needs Magneto. Without super-villains, super-heroes are just guys with spiffy powers. Sure, it's cool to have spiffy powers, but he read Kingdom Come, too, and he _knew_ what happened when you just had guys with spiffy powers lying around idle. The world could end! Egads! The end of the world! That would be awful! If the world ended, where would he put all his stuff? Joey found his mission. He knew what he had to do. He would become... a super villain. He would become a super-villain for God, making the super-hero angels grander and larger than life. He would make sure the world didn't end. God would dig that. Of course, he wasn't terribly good at being a super villain -- certainly not at first. He didn't have the heart to actually go out of his way to blow up orphanages or trash emergency rooms like his handlers would have rather he did. He couldn't bring himself to do more than slash a few tires and set fire to the occasional mailbox. Besides, super-villains think bigger and grander. They have super-plots. They have mutant sea-bass with lasers on their heads. And they get to wear leather instead of spandex. The demons at the Tether (which Joey started calling "Secret Headquarters") weren't terribly amused, but the small demon did his job with suprising earnest, and they left him at that. EARLIER TODAY: "Oh boy oh boy oh boy!" Joey said at the counter of Dave's Comics. His weekly subscriptions arrived. He shelled some cash, and ran off with a large package of dearly-loved comic books under his arm. He stopped on the way home to pick up a large box of snails from the local pet store. He had a very nefarious scheme involving snails, a rooftop garden on a high-rise, and very tiny flamethrowers. Before putting his scheme together and calling his buddy Kurth, he had to sit down on the floor and read his comics. He blew through nearly $100 a week on his habit, but that was okay. It was research! Sometimes he would make notes of especially nasty schemes involving speeder boats and satellite dishes. Later that day, he drew a little fan art of his conception of Laurence with the huge sword that shoots thunderbolts. He doesn't know a whole lot about Laurence past what he's seen on Nybbas TV, but he is pretty certain, if anything, that Laurence's sword shoots big crackly thunderbolts. He dropped the fan art into the mail, addressed to "God's Hall of Justice" -- the local tether to Lightning. Of course, it has no return address on it. He met Kurth in an alleyway. Kurth expressed his opinion that Joey is crazier than a loon on acid and was about to walk away. Joey became agitated and made Kurth experience a little zeal. There's nothing quite like a zealous Djinn. JOIEL: Joey has a very strict conception of the universe. In his mind, angels are super-hero good guys for God who run around in spandex and use super powers to destroy all the "evil." Demons are, well, demons -- but the smart ones are the super-villains who follow his Lord, the Master Super Villain with the Best and Coolest Schemes. He's often very disappointed when the angels don't wear spandex or the demons don't wear leather. He often attempts to explain how people _should_ look and act. Sometimes he sends the Lilim and Impudites who are sent up from Hell to a local leather shop to "get the right duds for the job." It's not unusual for him to send little letters to the angels telling them how they should behave. Because Joey suspects he's an angel -- he's not entirely sure -- he sometimes becomes confused who is the super-villain and who is the super-hero. He's pretty sure that he is supposed to be a super-villain, but the kind of super-villain that keeps the other super-villains in line. He's not sure. He keeps notes to help himself out when he becomes philosophically confused. Otherwise, Joey is pretty mild-mannered as Habbalah go. He attends a local high school during the day as part of his role, does the work of demons (as the super-villain THE DEMON) at night, and tends toward cheerfulness. He doesn't really _get_ the War, but he understands the struggle between good and evil in his comics, and he applies that morality to his world. Mechanics: There's no actual character sheet for Joey. The GM can build him as appropriate for the campaign. He's a Habbalah of Fire, between 7-9 Forces, and has Song of Motion (Celestial)/6. His skills include Knowledge (All Things X-Men) and an art skill in drawing. ********** Emily K. Dresner-Thornber Freelance Writer zenith@evilkitten.org "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:47:44 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons "Have you ever read Ezekial 25:17?" "PULL!" "I would say 'See you in Hell,' but we don't Fall." (To a servitor of Saminga) "Here's a chance to serve your master's Word firsthand." (To a servitor of Asmodeus) "Game over. You lose." (To a servitor of Belial) "Chill." (To a servitor of Haagenti) "No soup for you!" (To a servitor of Valefor) "Put that back, before I put *you* back." And again, because I love its elegant simplicity: "Go home." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:02:02 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain So what's his costume look like? Or, if he hasn't got one yet, what's he PLANNING it to look like? Classic red tights, horns, and barbed tail? Can his vessel muster a goatee? I can imagine a number of angels thinking this one worth trying to redeem. Not that it would necessarily be any easier than with any other habbalite. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:20:51 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain > So what's his costume look like? Or, if he hasn't got one yet, > what's he PLANNING it to look like? Classic red tights, horns, > and barbed tail? Can his vessel muster a goatee? In the original version, Joey was THE DEMON. He had little sparkly strap-on horns, classic red tights, and a barbed tail. His vessel hadn't quite conquored the necessary hormones to muster the goatee, however. He also said: "Ha ha!" and "Stand back, good-doers, for I am now doing evil!" and other interesting mixed metaphors that made little sense. "I shall now leave you in an overly complex and easily escapable death trap so you can return to extract JUSTICE!" was my favorite. > I can imagine a number of angels thinking this one worth trying > to redeem. Not that it would necessarily be any easier than > with any other habbalite. The plan was to sneak him just the right combination of comic books in his weekly stash. "Wanted: one comic-loving angel to do battle with one comic-loving demon. Requires in-depth knowledge of the Marvel and DC Universes." ********** Emily K. Dresner-Thornber Freelance Writer zenith@evilkitten.org "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2277 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.