From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jun 26 22:32:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15696 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:32:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id DAA09988 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:18:02 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:18:02 -0600 Message-Id: <200010290918.DAA09988@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2278 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, October 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 2278 In this digest: Re: IN> RE: IN > Wondering about celestial languages Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' IN> Fwd: leaving for now Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 1: Beginnings of Distress Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 2: High Heaven Re: IN> RE: IN > Wondering about celestial languages Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 2: High Heaven Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels IN> Sex in the Celestials (was Novalis challenge) Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Re: IN> Sex in the Celestials (was Novalis challenge) Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels Re: IN> Sex in the Celestials (was Novalis challenge) Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 2: High Heaven Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels Re:IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons IN> Re: Houston, we have outright fanboyishness..... IN> Toasting Belial IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2277 Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:00:19 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> RE: IN > Wondering about celestial languages At 7:49 PM -0700 6/22/01, Vaughn Romero wrote: >[Note: I, um, removed the spurious "IN" from the subject line. Sorry about >that.] > >On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 ranma wrote: >>Who says Lucifer LIED to anyone? The key thing is that Angelic doesn't >ensure >>you speak 'the TRUTH', it ensures you can't say something that you >yourself, >>think is false. > >I'm free thinking here, so bear with me. If Angelic only enforces that I >speak 'my truth', then I can lie about 'the TRUTH' as long as I believe what >I am saying. So, one angel can say "The Purity Crusade was wrong" and >another can say "The Purity Crusade was right" and as long as both are >speaking 'my truth' each statement is a perfectly valid thing to say in >Angelic. Yes. The modifier of "It is my belief that..." would be appended automatically to each phrase. (I often have my Seraphim, when making a statment that they suddenly realize is overly "firm" about what is actual, gripe about how corporeal languages are so _limited_... What they meant to be spoken in the tense of Personal Belief, came out in the tense of Believed Truth. Not dissonant, really, but annoying.) (As for the Helltongue comments, all I can say is: interesting. I haven't worried as much about Helltongue mechanics...) >"Never abandon faith that people can learn the In Nomine Mailing List >conventions, even in the slowest of newbie posters, until I have no choice" >(I'm guessing) Archangel Beth's 1st Oath Nah. I'm not a Malakite. If I were, my first oath would be: "SMITE HTML." O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:39:32 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 10:57:28PM -0500, Prodigal wrote: > From: "Maurice Lane" > > > > Vessels: young Goth woman/4, +2 Charisma; seven-foot > > walking skeleton/3, +1 Charisma > > You forgot the one-foot tall skeltal rat. SNK. SNK. SNK. SQUEAK? [maybe a writeup as an allied minor Ethereal?] - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:05:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: leaving for now >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:02:39 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 1 > >From: "Jinnie Cracknell" >Subject: leaving for now >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:01:24 -0000 > >Alas I am having to u n s u b as I am leaving Uni for the holidays and going >home - and I won't have regular computer access. I'll leave you with this >thought - What happens when Superiors drop in to a party? To get you started >1) Eli - the party starts going really well and everyone's enjoying >themselves. Although some people aren't *quite* sure where he seems to get >all his spliffs from... almost as if he was creating them from thin air... >And now for a DP as a contrast 2) Andrealphus - everyone wants him instantly >and the party soon degenerates into an orgy. > >BrIgHtLiLim (the entity formerly known as Jinnie) > >------------------------------------------------------------ >"And a devil in a black dress watches over, >My guardian angel walks away" > Sisters of Mercy, "Temple of Love" >------------------------------------------------------------ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:46:26 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 1: Beginnings of Distress Amanda Kilgore wrote: > The main question that pops to my mind is, how are the demons and > DP's fooled into seeing Gabriel's death (And Michael and Laurence)? I hand-wave. We have several of the smartest Archangels out to fool one of the less intelligent Demon Princes, in the confusion of a battle of their own choosing. So it's plausible that it happens. Plausible enough. Maurice Lane wrote: > >Belial dies in moments. > > You meant to say, 'over the course of thirteen > endlessly excrutiating days', right? Attractive idea, but not expedient under the circumstances. We can imagine that all the excruciation necessary for an adequate come-uppance gets compressed into one big, fast owwie. David Edelstein wrote: > This is cool. I'm looking forward to seeing how you handle the > Anti-Christ. Tomorrow. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:56:27 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Given the personality difference between the Pratchett and Gaiman Deaths, might this come out as two allied Ethereals, even an odd-couple brother/sister act? Plus the rat... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:58:48 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Julian Mensch wrote: > AFAICT, the typical fantasy is to /displace/ the alpha > male of a setting and thereby win the girl. This is the full-dress Freudian version, yes, but there's going for identification rather than displacement, and fragmentary versions of such things get wide circulation. Though personally I always saw a Michael-Novalis romance as more of a cute joke based on simple irony and that Hollywood cliche you mentioned. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:02:12 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 2: High Heaven The day after her battle, while the Earth still rings with Disturbance, Gabriel presents herself before the Seraphim Council. As soon as the Council is called to order, she says, "I come to deliver my final message here. Let us go to Jacob's Ladder." En masse, the Council teleports to the foot of the ladder. Gabriel announces, "I will no longer prophesy in Heaven, for there shall be no need. Behold!" All look up the ladder. A figure is descending. Even Archangels gasp as they recognize Raphael. A second figure becomes visible above -- Uriel. And then a third -- Oannes. And a fourth -- the Metatron; only the eldest angels recognize it, but the news flies swiftly through the gathered Council. Behind the Metatron, descending like shining snow, comes a great host of saints and angels, those who ascended and those soul-slain. Time and space are maleable in Heaven, even the Lower Heaven. In linear time, it would take years, decades, for that whole crowd to descend, but it happens while Earth still reels from Gabriel's victory over Belial, and while news spreads through the Lower Heaven and all gather at the foot of Jacob's Ladder. The Celestial City accomodates itself to the vast throng. In the crowd, many embrace long-parted friends but few speak. Everyone knows, feels, that all questions will be answered soon. The Metatron spreads its pinions and cries: "Prepare ye the way of the Lord!" * * * * * * * "At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne." -- Revelation 4:2-3 * * * * * * * Thereafter, the Throne is always visible from Lower Heaven, high in the sky, to the east. Even if you are indoors, you need only close your eyes and turn to the east, and you will see it. You can tell immediately that the bright humanoid form on the emerald throne is just a convenient form for the Light itself, and even that Light is just an appearance of... of the ineffable. The Four Living Things, the Twenty-Four Elders, and the Seven Flames are also visible. (See Revelation 4.) In fact, these are manifestations of the Archangels. The Four are Gabriel, Michael, Raphael, and Uriel. Yves and the Metatron are two of the Seven Flames, part of the sevenfold spirit of God. The Twenty-Four are the other Archangels, major and minor. At the moment, though, there are only twenty-one elders. Away from the vision, the returning Archangels quickly take up their old duties in Heaven. (Remember, Superiors can be in many places at once.) The Metatron becomes the chairbeing of the Council, speaking very seldom, but ending all the old disputes that did not end of themselves with the opening of the Upper Heavens. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Returnees If the PCs have any friends who were soul-killed (in play or in backstory), they have the chance to meet them again. Will the meeting be heartwarming or awkward or both? (By the way, the Upper Heavens are, as in canon, wonderful but too ineffable to say much about, so returning saints and angels won't have any game-worthy details to relay.) * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Missing Returnees The PCs have a friend who was soul-killed, and so seek them among the returning spirits, but fail to find them. What happened? Did they go to Hell? Are they still in Trauma in the Upper Heavens, or in Limbo, or where? Are they avoiding their old friends? If so, why? * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Old Masters All the returning Archangels have former servitors, "orphans" who suddenly have their old masters available again. There is a rush of angels back to these masters. If the PCs or their friends are among them, there could be much soul-searching as angels decide whether to go or stay. Some former orphans may suddenly find that they *are* re-attuned to their old masters' Words, willy-nilly. E.g., suddenly, you're an angel of Water again, not Wind anymore. How do you feel about that? More re-shuffling may ensue. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Shifting Words The returning Archangels mean a shifting of Word boundaries. For instance, Destiny, Lightning, and Revelation took up the slack when Raphael, Archangel of Knowledge, died. But Raphael is back. PCs may find old attunements and rites no longer work, while even older, half-forgotten ones suddenly work again. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: The Tsayadim Go into the Marches and tell the Tsayadim that Uriel is back, then stand clear as they beat wings back to Heaven. That could be an adventure in itself. Another adventure ensues when they show up in Heaven. How does Uriel feel about them now? How does everyone else feel? Mass trials before the Metatron, anyone? * * * * * * * Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:13:08 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> RE: IN > Wondering about celestial languages From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > Nah. I'm not a Malakite. If I were, my first oath would be: "SMITE HTML." Works for me... Prodigal Angel of Removing HTML from Messages to Mailing Lists ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:34:42 +0100 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain > Because Joey suspects he's an angel -- he's not entirely sure -- > he sometimes becomes confused who is the super-villain and who is the > super-hero. He's pretty sure that he is supposed to be a super-villain, > but the kind of super-villain that keeps the other super-villains in line. > He's not sure. He keeps notes to help himself out when he becomes > philosophically confused. What happens when Joey reads something like the Punisher? Conceptually speaking a villain but nevertheless classed as a good guy? (Bag of guns and a few issues = revenge from a formerly zealous Djinn). Dave - Archangel of Procrastination ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain - --- Emily Dresner-Thornber wrote: > JOIEL By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth, this pokes holes in all kinds of superhero mythology! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:28:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels OK, it's time to turn this thread around. (to an angel of Animals) "It's gotta be the puppy chow." (to an angel of Flowers) "Your @$$ is grass!" (to an angel of Stone) "Don't worry, I'll _gladly_ hit first." (to an angel of Trade) "Now how much would you pay?" (from a Calabite of Fire) "How do you like your wings?" (from a Calabite of the Game) "Why, I would never kill anyone... quickly..." (Calabite who's gotten a hold of some nasty Vaputech) "So _that's_ what that button does!" ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:36:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 2: High Heaven Yikes! Raphael's back! That would definitely shake things up (though Raziel would certainly be happy). I'm really enjoying the Biblical detail you're putting into these things, BTW. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:18:03 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Michael Walton wrote: > --- Maurice Lane wrote: > > Death You forgot her pet goldfish. -:-) Wonderful write up though. I wonder what Blandine would think of Dream? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:22:07 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels > OK, it's time to turn this thread around. Well, *finally*. :) The Servitors of the Media have an advantage in this regard, simply because the Boss is likely to *enforce* the use of witty taglines before disposing of an enemy. It makes for good PR. (And it's starting to spread to the audience, too.) Almost any television-related quip will do - "Don't Touch That Dial" is a classic, even though it's been years since TVs *had* dial knobs. [1] [1] Feeling old? Good. See, I got this Rite from the Demon of the Generation Gap... * * * * * Jason Schneiderman, Editor, EDITORIAL HUMOR. E-mail: edhumor@tiac.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:28:39 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels Jason Schneiderman wrote: > Almost any television-related quip will do - "Don't Touch > That Dial" is a classic, even though it's been years since TVs > *had* dial knobs. The modern form is "Don't touch that remote." We have a basket on the table just for the remotes ... for THAT room. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:58:42 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Sex in the Celestials (was Novalis challenge) Well this is certainly an interesting discussion all round... Now for some of my trade mark overanalysis [Oh, I'm not challenging you. The reason I responded in such seriousness is not because I strongly disagree with your point, but because I think that identifying common sexual/erotic architypes and being /aware/ of them is conducting to good writing and essential to avoiding unintended cheese. It's an important element in analysis of any work or setting, so I wanted to throw in my two cents on the topic. I guess I really haven't seen a sexual tone to Novalis' list-persona*, whereas others have. I do think some characters (Gabriel and Lilith particulairly, but also Blandine and Beleth WRT their past together) were written with sex appeal in mind, but I don't see that as much in Novalis... I'm not denying her sexuality is there, I'm just denying it as a defining trait, or as the reason that people want her to "win".] One of the more interesting aspects of Novalis is that in my games she along with Eli fills the need of preserving humanity's sense of carnality and position and has taken over much of the acts of Andrephalus to encouraging non-degrading promiscuity which is a minor point of contention between her, Laurence, and Dominic. Her servitors as one might imagine from their portrayal in game cannon and out of it in my games thus are known for their rather (unfairly deserved) liscentious reputation though it is not quite so prevalent as it is in the Creationers.... Helpful in my portrayals of Novalis has also been stealing that old/new pagan standby of Maiden, Mother, Crone which help represent Novalis's tendancy to transform herself according to moods. Maiden: Whether it's a 15 year old Ozma from L. Frank Baum with two poppies in her hair and such purity you never think to approach her about more carnal appetites or a 22 something tie-dyed shirt wearing girl with long blonde hair perfectly willing to sleep with a servitor before she heads off from her concert the Maiden in Novalis tends to represent her when she's at her most vibrant, strong, alive, and more than alittle optimistic. Mom: Novalis's mom aspect I have had everyone from Susan Sarandon to Sally Fields to a Brunhilda type. Novalis here is always tut tutting over her children and talking about her various troubles and so forth. It's here that she maintains a certain ammount of cynicism and worry about the present world. I've had this Novalis marry and raise children before as well...polygamy not exactly against her nature. Crone: This aspect is purely a creation of my own and when Novalis is afraid the world is dying she assumes a very somber and dark tone where she knits....however such artifact is the weave of flowers that is meant to be the banner of the angelic host on Armageddon....something she here is resigned to for the destruction of all life but perhaps enough to start anew. Gifts of purest love in darkest hours and on some occasion even curses. Onto other superiors.... Theres significant power if you add romantic elements to the androgynous beings of energy that angels do but you must be careful not to weigh them down too sexually or they become mortal and enslaved to the flesh like Andre. For instance my character Isaiah pines for the Archangel Gabriel but it is a careful balance of such love not to seem silly and one of his best scenes that stuck in my head was the acknowledgement that he wasn't sure she even remembered his name despite 10 million years ago he (when he was a she) was a female and consort to the Brightest Star in Heaven. (Basically what use does an archangel have for such feelings as sexuality and union when they are so above such things?) The Females.... It's true Blandine has been written with a sexual side to herself (though not nearly as much as in The European In Nomine edition....I really want copies of those books someday) but she for the most part embodies the "unnatainable idea" that has been brought up. The Courtly maiden who pines for an impossible love and is destined ot be loved but never loved in return. Beleth IMG was seduced by Lucifer not only spiritually by literally which gives her a somewhat gaudy reputation among demons who view her as the Devil's whore (Lilith is pretty much the same but the Lilim take pride in that to their demonic brethren) Lilith in my games is a past mortal love of one of the characters who adultered with her before she fled to explore the world and thus was eventually embraced by Lucifer. Seductions by a Demon Prince are rare but she is intrigued as well and it's generally known she's Lucifer's lover... Gabriel it has been noted has passion as part of her word and there is a bit of a obsession many players have with her and their characters even in cannon (when are they going to release a poster of Superior 3's cover?) but aside from a blurb about Punishment in her comedic side I think she's viewed as the pureity of passion rather than any real relationship. Cuddling jokes aside few have made any note of Zadkiel and her defensive side but that may have something to do with the little that has been written about her. Still on the list like Blandine/Laurence some have enjoyed pairing them and I even did a joke about a triangle. Inevitably someone will make Deva jokes about Song the grigori but that is far away. The Males... Michael has often been mentioned as the Archtypical male figure and it's fairly easy to see how he represents masculinity in War whiel Novalis represents femminity...IMHO why Michael is so often paired with Novalis as opposed to jealousy, bickering etc. The idea of conquest, success, strength of will and an inability to adjust to more tender lifestyles all speak out about common Male problems... At least so I've been told. Curiously cannon states "no hint of a sex scandel" and the "beer drinking, womanizing, conquerer" michael has the reputation on the list (I add Holiest of Holy which sort of undoes this in my game) is not present. In my game Michael's only love is his virginal "dutiful son's" for God whom he sings the praises of with his ax bloodied in the skull of a demon of Grigorian chant style but I can certainly see the appeal of him and Novalis. Baal though not brought up routinely for this matter (few girls I know admit an attraction to a Gestapo officer) but there is a certain attractiveness about the Samurai, Lost cause, and Gentleman officer that has often pervaded film (the admirable Bad guy, or cultured killer). Inevitably such a figure while attractive is too focused to take anything more than a lover for a short time because his concentration is on his cause more than anything else.... Though he might surprise you like Lucifer and the girl he keeps locked up in his New Orleans's tether. Eli the Frat Boy has always had a bit more respect on this list because of the secret suspicion he's Jesus and/or the Savior of the Cosmos. However in cannon Eli is definately the type of guy who sleeps with pretty much someone or several a night as he muses. I'm reminded of Rasputin from the HBO movie whom had a rather mysterious power over women (and in Eli's case probably men) that was attractive despite a rather gross lifestyle. In effect Eli has much of the princible of the "Nice Guy/Bachelor" monikor of men. Marc represents the classy executive type that Michael Douglas popularized in what perhaps is the most sucessful misfire of all time in the movie Wallstreet (a movie about finance's pitfalls that encouraged god knows how many to join up). Polite, well mannered, cultured he obviously also knows how to have a good time despite his work. I imagine he has routine tennis games, golf games, and dinner arrangements with his lover servitors probably both Saint and Servitor. Andrephalus represents the Omnisexual "ideal" as some would say...specifically a creature who is motivated mostly by his sexual appetites and routine. The creature whether male or female is meant to be repulsive as a sexual partner mainly because of it's constant need for gratification and the basic understanding that you yourself are pointless to him so much as your there. Whether drugged, underage, or unable to defend oneself andre is a bit of a nightmare but less so than say... Fufur and Magog who of course are much more violent and represent sexuality as intimidation and a weapon rather than a sharing in mutual communion or even for pleasure like Andre. Andrephalus does what he does for fun whether it causes pain or not is of no matter to him, to Fufur (Who is rather like Spike and Drucilla) and Magog Sexuality isn't fun unless it causes pain. Nybbas represents the "Bill Gates" ideal IMHO that the honest to God geek whom is socially challenged, arrogant in his loneliness, and brillant in his area of special concern hopes to sieze the mantle of respectability from his peers. People have commented that Nybbas is unlikely to be without a beautiful ethereal or Lilim in arms when he is seen in "public". Washu I mean.....errrr Vapula is completely lacking in sexual interest I'm certain. Jean, Saminga, Dominic, Yves, Kronos, Mammon, David, and Belial have deliberately cultivated senses of asexuality/disinterest about them. Though I must admit I can imagine the look on Dominic's 333 some odd eyes when one of his Cherubs wraps her arms around him and professes her undying love... - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:07:11 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: Re: IN> The Four-Colored Super-Villain > What happens when Joey reads something like the Punisher? Conceptually > speaking a villain but nevertheless classed as a good guy? (Bag of guns and > a few issues = revenge from a formerly zealous Djinn). Easy. I don't think he's the kind of guy who likes Punisher. He's more of a Superman and Batman kind of d00d. ********** Emily K. Dresner-Thornber Freelance Writer zenith@evilkitten.org "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 04:45:13 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: RE: IN> On the Novalis Challenge Personally, I'd say Novalis incarnates all three of the Female Archetypes at different times. - -She's the Virgin Maiden in regards to her optimistic and somewhat innocent view of the world, and in her belief that everyone can be redeemed. - -She's the Sexual Mother when interacting with her fellow Superiors and other older Celestials, showing spirit and friendlyness to everyone she believes deserves it. - -And Finally, she's the Wise Crone when interacting with younger Celestials, giving advice, gifts, punishments and warnings, according to what her experience tells her to give, to whoever she believes is worthy of it. Anyone have anything to say about my theory? - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels - --- Jason Schneiderman wrote: > [1] Feeling old? Good. See, I got this Rite from the > Demon of the Generation Gap... Oh, you will suffer, young one. 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 04:59:42 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Moe, that was amazing. ^^ But you could expand on that write-up, by making Death a bit more ancient, and adding a few elements from Supermegatopia's own version of Death. That version's form alters itself for individuals, showing them exactly what they want to see when they get to the Other Side. According to Her (She was Female, looking like a Furry version of Lady Death, when Weasel Boy Died and showed up in her realm), "...I've appeared as a giant four-slice toaster on no less then a hundred seperate occasions, as for this shape, I've filled it out many times, mostly for fanboys and comic artists." ...After which speech, Weasel Boy predictably Adjusts her appearance to get rid of the clothes. ^^ If you don't mind a little nudity, you can see her first appearance here: http://www.supermegatopia.com/comics/weasel_boy/wb13-3.htm And a demonstration of her "Alteration Range" lies here: http://www.supermegatopia.com/comics/deviations/devs-19.htm Now, that would seem like a Good Death to me... ^^ - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:09:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Sex in the Celestials (was Novalis challenge) - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > I must admit I can imagine the look on Dominic's 333 some > odd eyes when one > of his Cherubs wraps her arms around him and professes > her undying love... I would pay money to see that... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:23:40 -0500 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels > > [1] Feeling old? Good. See, I got this Rite from the > > Demon of the Generation Gap... > > Oh, you will suffer, young one. 0;> The Young Ones? ...Great. Now I keep picturing Vivian as a Calabite of HardCore. (and tell me that I'm not the only one here who's familiar with the Young Ones) - --- Erich S. Arendall Demon of Critical Failures At The Best Time For GMs And The Worst Time For Players, Impudite of The Game http://www.egrigor.com/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels - --- "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: > (and tell me that I'm not the only one here who's > familiar with the Young Ones) I'd tell you, but my Resonance might backfire. }:;:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The Aztecs had chocolate and human sacrifice. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:58:08 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Sex in the Celestials (was Novalis challenge) Charles Phipps wrote: > One of the more interesting aspects of Novalis is that in my games she along > with Eli fills the need of preserving humanity's sense of carnality and > position and has taken over much of the acts of Andrephalus to encouraging > non-degrading promiscuity which is a minor point of contention between her, > Laurence, and Dominic. I think Gabriel and Blandine would do a better job of that. Gabriel is passion, and Blandine is fantasy and romance. Novalis is just reproduction and nurturing. > Helpful in my portrayals of Novalis has also been stealing that old/new > pagan standby of Maiden, Mother, Crone which help represent Novalis's > tendancy to transform herself according to moods. Again, Gabriel strikes me as more appropriate to that role. Of course Gabriel herself probably hasn't given much conscious thought to sex for a thousand years or so (maybe that's why so many societies are sexually dysfunctional?), but I've always thought of her Servitors probably being the most horny angels around, next to Eli's. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:08:45 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 2: High Heaven What about the Grigori? Or is that coming later? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:48:42 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:18:03 -0400 Cameron McCurry writes: > > --- Maurice Lane wrote: > > > Death > > You forgot her pet goldfish. -:-) > Wonderful write up though. I wonder what Blandine would think > of Dream? > Depends on how closely you hew to IN and to Gaiman. On the IN extreme Dream is an Ethereal like all the rest, likely quite powerful... Recall exactly *how* the Gates of Horn and Ivory, and his helm, were supposed to have been made. While he'd be toned down in a strictly-IN canon universe, the Sandman has a level of belief on par with Death. Both Blandine and Beleth are likely to have a love/hate relationship with him, as he lays claim to their Words yet has benign intentions where the dreamlands are concerned. (I say both Blandine and Beleth as the Sandman *is* both Dream King and Nightmare Lord, after all.) If you go to the other extreme and hew to Gaiman, fitting IN around the edges, all of the Endless are kind of super-Ethereals, mostly unconcerned with the matters of the celestials except where they cross their province. It's a very, very bad idea to cross them, and killing them doesn't do a whole lot of good, so they would likely be treated with a sort of distant respect. That said, they are still not as powerful as the most powerful Archangels and Demon Princes - in the case of Dream, he stated outright that Lucifer was more powerful than him, by far. In this second version of the IN/Endless universe, it's entirely possible that Blandine and Beleth were two of the three "dream gods" that Dream killed when they thought to take his domain. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:51:33 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Lines for Calabim when they kill Angels On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:23:40 -0500 "Erich S. Arendall" writes: > The Young Ones? > > ...Great. Now I keep picturing Vivian as a Calabite of HardCore. That's Vyvyan to you. And you're absolutely right. "Put that howizer back, Vyvyan!" "Oh, I will, I will. Right after I blow you to pieces!" - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:42:31 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: Re:IN> Lines for Malakim when they kill Demons > >> Any additions people want to add? These have been used by PC's in my games: Tobin, Malakite of War: Excellent! Things were getting boring! Mikie's gunna love that artifact... How many times have I told you? You never listen...(to a demon he'd never seen before) drop a building on me will you, you little... (to a demon who had) And I thought Novalis was useless! I should have thought of using her pansies as bait! (after a demon 'ambushed' a Mercurian of Flowers) Glamour, Malakite of Dreams: Great! This is just like the Marches! Enjoy Trauma... Ezra, Malakite of the Wind: Nothing personal, I swore an oath to a Lilim to kill two demons of her choice every year - much better than Geases! (And yes, he had). James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:44:37 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Houston, we have outright fanboyishness..... > From: "Maurice Lane" >> >> Vessels: young Goth woman/4, +2 Charisma; seven-foot >> walking skeleton/3, +1 Charisma > > You forgot the one-foot tall skeltal rat. Shouldn't he be a servant? For the first time, the idea of being a pagan Soldier appeals. Wow. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:02:27 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Toasting Belial > This is very interesting, but I detect a typo, > methinks. > >>After the fourth day, Belial takes the bait. >> >>And is promptly ambushed by Michael, Laurence, Janus, >>Khalid, Jean, and, a nanosecond later, David. > Gabriel >gets her own licks in. > > All of this is fine. Way overdue, but fine. (Excepting having David get other people to start his fights for him. Where's the point of swearing an oath if you're going to deliberately get around it all the time?) the rest of the vignette is great though. > >>Belial dies in moments. > > You meant to say, 'over the course of thirteen > endlessly excrutiating days', right? > > ;) > > Moe "What do _you_ want?" > "I'd like to live _just_ long enough to be there when > they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a > warning to the next ten generations that some favors > come with too high a price. I'd look up at your > lifeless eyes and wave like _this_. Can you and your > associates arrange it for me, Mr. Belial?" Lane* Probably not. After losing Oannes & Raphael, Heaven's unlikely to be impressed with attempting to rub out DP's - it's not worth the cost, and DP's tend to get killed through internal politics anyway. And for Belial, a large destructive gang-up and rub out probably falls under his Word anyway, so he'd be stronger than normal during his final battle. whether he is or not, Baal is either going to help him survive, or more likely, take advantage of the chaos to eliminate an AA. Nybbas is filming Belial most of the time, and Kronos relying on him to fulfil Gabriel's fate, so it's not as if he's without allies. So a challenge for you, Moe - find a way to kill Belial which doesn't involve heaven putting Archangels on the line. I'd say it was impossible, but that's never stopped you before! James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:06:43 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2277 is there any particular reason why these digests are dated October last year? It's a bit annoying. James. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:26:28 -0700 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' > SNK. SNK. SNK. > > SQUEAK? [maybe a writeup as an allied minor Ethereal?] > Consider me on it. Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis, The Happy Shiny Mercurian ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2278 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.