From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jun 28 09:24:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23887 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:24:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id OAA02795 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:08:55 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:08:55 -0600 Message-Id: <200010302008.OAA02795@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2281 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, October 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 2281 In this digest: Re: IN> Gabrielites and other connotations Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... IN> In Nomine collection IN> Lucifer, Archangel of Light RE: IN> Gabrielites and other connotations Re: IN> T-shirt Slogans Re: IN> T-shirt Slogans Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... *William Tries a Beth Invocation* RE: IN> Gabrielites and other connotations Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... IN> T-shirt suggestion IN> A new Archangel IN> Re: Swearing oaths to Lilim IN> Re:In Nomine T-shirts etc Re: IN> Gabrielites and other connotations IN> mini band IN> Why creative people are often messy IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 4: The Second and THird Horsemen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:25:08 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielites and other connotations From: "Julian Mensch" > > The angel of Hope is Gabriel's closest servitor. If you're referring to Soldekai, he's only the Archangel of Hope in the writeup I did for him in Moe's "Tattered" game. But as long as I'm on the subject, please allow me to be conceited enough to say that I'm rather proud of the treatment of the Word of Fire that I developed for that setting, as it downplayed punishing cruelty to but one function of Gabriel's organisation. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:17:40 +1200 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... >I liked the 8th Virtue one (I'd BUY the 8th Virtue >one, actually). Yes, I would as well. I'd even pay $20 for it. Try this one on for size. Michael 3:16 says I just whupped your ass, son. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:21:50 -0700 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... Hmm... maybe choir/band specific? Ofanim: When it absolutely, positively has to be there NOW. Shedim: Give in. Phillip, Mercurian of Novalis The Happy Shiny Mercurian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:43:20 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In Nomine collection Hey Boss. ANY chance this will be updated sometime soon? I know it's trouble and all but it's been awhile. You may want to pick and choose some new entries but still... Just a thought - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:53:30 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Lucifer, Archangel of Light Lucifer Archangel of Light "Forget all you've heard in the Bible, no don't but give it a grain of salt regarding me." Satan, the Adversary, the Great Enemy, the Dragon, and the Devil.....rubbish. Lucifer Morningstar never Fell from Grace and he'd like personally to reveal to you it's part of his extremely elaborate PR ruse that is meant to lead men back from the fallen path to something alittle more patable. The Fall certainly did happen all those 23,000 years ago but it was Asmodeus that was it's leader along with his mortal lover Lilith and when Michael kicked the poor pairs sorry butts out of Heaven Lucifer had an epiphany that someone had best look after the world and it's populous from the forces of Darkness. Lucifer, Second Born Child of the Master thus became a Malakim. Lucifer the Incorruptible as he likes to be called is not exactly what one would call a model Archangel, especially to Dominic who like Gabriel he used to work closely with but whom has fallen under deep suspicion by. Lucifer despite being viewed as the second wisest entity in all of Heaven after Yves and holiest after Michael is treated as a poor stepchild with extremely questionable methods to dealing with humanity and it's many ills even as the modern era looms menacingly over the truth Heaven loves so much. Lucifer as a superior is a tyrant even if he is an extremely fun tyrant. He's as likely to appear as an extremely attractive ideal mate and flirt incestantly with a character known for his carnal instincts just before deciding to hop off as he is to appear as a smiling pleasant old man whose every undertone is laden with mystical half prophecy and pseudo-meaning to those who truly want lore and knowledge. With Kobal's leaving the Word of Laughter seems to have fallen to the Lightbringer and has affected him rather bizzarely or perhaps the introduction of evil into the universe has convinced him that people cannot take themselves too seriously. Lucifer's job in Heaven is that of the Light bringer which is defined as the bringer of Understanding and Insight as opposed to Knowledge or Inspiration. After delivering Fire to humanity Lucifer has considerably toned down his gifts to humanity at Jean's request though he personally takes responsibility for Velcro, Microwaves, Gravity (he knocked the Apple on Newton, before everyone was just stuck with a very special glure-he swears), and the Internet of which he firmly apologies for. However Lucifer also has taken on the mantle of the Accusor which means he discovers those of weak will who might go to their fate or seem hell bent (literally) and does his best to make their lives a living Hell in order to point out how much their lives would be better if they just realized the error of their ways. To Lucifer this isn't punishment but a means to an end and considers the War faction sick after a fashion and in need of their own good Temptation. This is questionable enough save for the fact Lucifer also occasionally takes it upon himself to torment the righteous in brutal and horrofying ways as well, this is not for malice or to teach so much as harden what they have and make those content with their own goodness firm and unbreakable and determined to spread the destruction of evil...in effect to make Malakim out of the Average angel as a metaphor. Lucifer is single handidly the most irritating Archangel to Hell even if he is not as feared as Michael, Laurence, or as derided as Novalis. The fact he has convinced half the world however that he is the reigning Lord of them all irritates the heck out of the forces of Darkness and Lucifer's intelligence agents routinely masquerade as demons as well doing their best to make their well orchestred works of evil crumble around them. Hell however considers the "beneficial" effects of encountering such demons a long term benefit which Heaven tactifully agrees and wishes Lucifer would cease such masquerades. Lucifer responds by appearing at such inquires with gigantic horns, red skin, flamming breath, and manical laughter as he agrees to tone it down. Dissonance It is dissonant for Servitors of Light to willfully promote a person's ignorance or illusions about life. Now imagine what sort of people this makes Servitors of Light.....in effect you don't want to be around them much, let me tell you, at least for prolonged periods. Dream's servitors and Servitors of Light are often known to come to blows simply on matter of princibles though most elder servitors of light are capable of being more mature around the "flights of fancy folk" Servitor Attunements Servitors of Light possess attunements that make them able to guide mortals to acts of insight and revelation but only by their own comming out and realizing of it as opposed to simply telling them what they need to know. Seraphim Seraphs of Lucifer are really...really...the word despised is not appropriate but "observed cautiously" by their choir is a better one. Seraphs of Lucifer can lie about anything as long as they are ultimately using the lie to reveal the truth about it. In effect they can masquerade as demons in the purpose of revealing their divine natures later on, they can say they're fummegators when they are building bombs that will "reveal" to demons they were angels when it goes off, and other methods. It's a tight walkway but Seraphs of Light do they're best to walk the path by justifying their way as a "really bizzare way of telling the truth". Cherubim Cherubs of Light possess the power to instantly know what a human being they are attuned to most craves and the reasons why. This firm insight into Cherubs makes them some of the most unpleasant "false friends" in the world with men and women under their care routinly subjected to all the sex, excitment, money, and food they want with the ultimate goal to make them sick of it and a better person. Occasionally they go overboard and they become dissonant for their treatment but Lucifer is forgiving even if his punishment for a Cherub who screws up is as worse as what they have done with on occasion some actively driven to falling by it. Ofanim Ofanim of Light have the curious ability to be able to know the fastest way to the largest centers of sin and redemption inside a given area by concentrating on it. The Ofanim of Light usually use this to "expand" or "destroy" charts but it can occasionally be bewildering especially when a Nightclub known for it's drugs shows up with a church in reversed order. This ability is always on and actually is a great "evil detector" as an Ofanim can sense when certain areas "spike" and "crest" fairly well though this is by no means accurate. Elohim The Powers of Light are completely unsympathetic to the human condition and thus Lucifer's ideal choice for most matters of dealing with human frailty. Elohim are able to tell at a glance just what sort of Sins the person in question feels strongest drawn too and how he'll react to a hypothetical scenario (shown to the Referee) the Elohim may draw up with a resonance roll to determine how detailed his reaction will be (1 a negative reaction to his wife's adultery and a 6 being he will shoot up his home, his kids, and a nearby 7-11) Kyriotates Kyriotates of Light still serve Lucifer's corps as the bringers of ideas, hope, and insight. When using they're resonance they may "jump" from their current hosts without every having to leave to the nearest person who needs their presence without much difficulty. This is an ability most Kyriotates of Light combine with Songs of Motion so that while they use they're free time from Bombay to Indiana they are able to return to their assignments without too much difficulty when Lucifer's work needs to be done. Malakim Malakim of Light tend to be a very varied bunch with "poetic killers" a common if not universal stereotype. Malakim of Light can sense how human ignorance (whether willful or unintentional) have contributed to any dishonorable actions the subject may have caused. Mercurians Mercurians of Light know a person's sins by looking upon them, how they're sins might be affecting others, and how a person's sins might reflect on them. Mercurians of Light tend to have a fairly negative view for Mercurians on humanity with the idea of beloved teachers being a bit more strict along the lines of "spare the rod, spoil the child". They're the type of people who make phone calls to your wife at nine at the morning that your sleeping with your secretary, call the cops at frat parties after buying the beer once confirming they'll be a date rape in the looming, point out your teenage daughter is seeing a 27 year old, and in general tossing gas on fires to see what happens. Random Acts of God Random acts of God is effectively a voodoo style curse upon a person that results in them recieving a "brush with fate" such as a bad driver suddenly hitting a fence post or narrowly hitting a child or slamming full force into another car when his fate is to drive drunk one morning into a schoolbus. Random acts of God require a resonance roll and the expenditure of the acompaying essence to feed the Symphony's reaction (1 for the fence, 6 for the car wreck where miraculously no one was hurt). The player has no control over what sort of thing this attunement does but the effects can be made stronger with more essence being deliberately spent. This power is viewed somewhat warily even by servitors of Light as people have been known to be killed by it and a rumor remains that WW1 was started by it though that of course is ridiculous...unless the person rolled a six six six on it. Make a Wish Make a Wish is a unique resonance that gives implicit instructions on how best to fufill a person's wishes currently be it for winning someone's heart, winning the lottery, or bringing about world peace though the answers depending on the Purity of the Person's heart (a person's love for a woman that is pure will give perfect instructions but a person's love that also requires the humiliation of a rival will give much for that as well). This information is very valuable to servitors of Light but very suspect as well as one can imagine, still few doubt it's extreme effectiveness for fixing mortals. Rites * Inspire someone to an insight about themselves * Put a person on the road to redemption * Expose a person's crimes the the appropriate authorities (victems, police, himself) Relations Lucifer gets along fine with Gabriel, Janus, Eli, and David rather well with the first and foremost a firm ally that Lucifer would gladly die to protect. Michael and Dominic dislike Lucifer for his extended lies to humanity in order for them to realize the truth as a whole. Curiously Lucifer was associated with Uriel and Raphael and though he opposed the Purity Crusade in apalling fashion he still mourned his friend's loss greater than perhaps any in heaven. Most of Heaven elsewise remains ambivalent about the Lightbringer. Yves and he are known as great friends but Lucifer is known to consider the man an equal much like Michael and while not hostile to him he never quite can seem to grasp how much Yves's understands and insists on pointing it out. Jean and his ancient friendship has cooled but the former servitor now Archangel of Light is always there to defend his master. Blandine moreso than Novalis considers Lucifer needlessly cruel, abusive, and egostical in his treatment of mortals. Allied: Gabriel (Gabriel is allied to him) Associated: Janus, Eli, David (Jean and David are associated with him) Hostile: Michael (Michael, Blandine, and Dominic are Hostile to Lucifer) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:30:16 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: RE: IN> Gabrielites and other connotations >So >Lilith gets a free pass from me for the glamour and the >fanboyishness. That's rather my point. Why would it bother you that other people get that from Gabriel? jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> T-shirt Slogans - --- "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: > Front of the T-shirt: > "And God said, 'Let there be dice' and it was good." > > Back: > The In Nomine Flaming Feather above the words "In Nomine" Hey, I'd wear it. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> T-shirt Slogans MAURICE: Don't believe everything you hear -- unless you hear it from me. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... *William Tries a Beth Invocation* - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > Would SJGames be bothered by this if I did > it? Would there necessarily be a prohibitive (to a > private citizen) > licensing fee? What kind of hoops are we looking at > here, if any?* If > that's covered, I'd just check prices and costs (I'm > fairly sure such a > T-shirt would be in the $15-$20 range), and it could be > good to know > whether many people would be interested in the poduct. I would definitely consider it -- there were a number of ideas posted here that I liked. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Gabrielites and other connotations - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > There's a really nice vignette in the Liber Reliquarum > that could help out > with this. A Malakite angel of Lightning has sought out > Eli on Earth to > learn about the making of relics. She's quite > uncomfortable with the > apparent disorganization of the surroundings (a trait I > would personally > change, since it is my experience that the creative > process is far more > efficient in a clean and organized environment, but > that's neither here nor there) That depends on one's personal creative process. I find that too much regimentation stifles creativity (a view which would explain why Eli left Heaven). Then, too, there is the idea of creation being the making of order out of chaos. That process can't happen unless you have the chaos first. Since Eli's Word embodies the most primordial acts of creation, the order-from-chaos idea is especially appropriate to his modus operandi. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:52:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... - --- Phillip Des Jardins wrote: > Hmm... maybe choir/band specific? OK, I'll play. CHERUBIM: To protect and serve for eternity. MALAKIM: Honor. Integrity. And big *@#%in weapons. MERCURIANS: Putting the humane in humanity. BALSERAPHIM: Would this face lie? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:56:49 -0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> T-shirt suggestion How about [Front] In Nomine feather/[Back] Guaranteed Ofanite Delivery? (I used this in a PBEM once while talking to an Ofanite of Trade, but I'm not sure he noticed. Which may have been just as well.) Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:04:54 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> A new Archangel No one saw this coming. A group from Belial's realm approached Gabriel's volcano under a banner of peace. Such things were not entirely uncommon; both sides sent messengers to each other and for the most part they were not remarked on. But this was a bit bigger than normal. There were about twenty of them, including five Lilim, being led by a hooded and robed figure. Just about every angel in the volcano came out to witness what was going on. The leader of the group stopped them with a gesture and called out that he sought an audience with Gabriel. Soldekai answered the call and demanded to know who he was addressing and why he should be allowed entry. The figure leaned close and whispered something in the Virtue's ear. Soldekai's eyes widened and he took off as fast as he could. Within a minute Gabriel herself was before this figure in her terrible glory. The other demons as well as the angels who were watching the events felt terror as Gabriel stood before the figure in her glory as God's Avenger. The demon's response was quite simple. He threw back his hood and revealed his face. And then Belial, Demon Prince of Infernal Fire dropped to his knees in front of her. His cracked and sorrowful voice carried perfectly in the silence that seemed to engulf Heaven. "Archangel Gabriel, I beg forgiveness for what I have done. I repent and humbly ask to serve you again." Time stood still as Gabriel heard Belial's words. Her flaming sword was still poised to strike him down and her Servitors looked at the group of demons that came with Belial in anticipation. And then the sword was sheathed and the Archangel of Fire was lifting Belial to his feet and guiding him into the volcano. Word of what had happened spread through Heaven faster than a Wheel. Dominic arrived within half an hour later and took Belial to the Seraphim Council himself. The demons who came with Belial were in turn interrogated by triads of Judgment and were turned over to Gabriel. Rumors flew throughout the Celestial Realm about what was going on, each one contradicting the other. When Dominic emerged with a Redeemed Belial, all eyes on Heaven looked on in wonder. The Archangel of Judgment said only one thing before returning to his Cathedral. "I present Belial, the Archangel of Cleansing." Things have taken a turn for the interesting in Heaven. Belial, Archangel of Cleansing "The world is a place of beauty. We must care for it and remove the taint of corruption that festers on it." The Redemption of Belial has definitely shaken things up in Hell and Heaven. Kronos has locked himself in his Archives trying to find where he missed this. Asmodeus' shriek of anger was heard throughout most of Hell and his Servitors are even more terrified of him than they were before. Baal has publicly condemned Belial for his actions, but is privately relieved that Hell's loose cannon is no longer an issue. Lucifer has said nothing more than promising a suitable punishment for the traitor Prince. Two demons are making a play for the vacant Word but they are forced to move cautiously after seeing what happened to the other two who have already approached the Prince of Darkness. Lucifer liquefied one and stripped the other one down to a Remnant that he banished to Earth. In Heaven, things are no less confused. Gabriel's sanity has been restored with the end of the Word Friction between her and Belial and she has accepted him as happily as she used to curse him. Yves, like Kronos, is puzzled at this turn of events but he accepts it happily. Novalis has found the new Archangel willing to use less violent tactics in dealing with Hell and is advising him as he attempts to build up his followers. Belial's new place in the Symphony is working closely with Gabriel's troops. Where Gabriel focuses on the cruel, Belial focuses on cleansing the corrupt. The angels of Fire go in and destroy the evil and the angels of Cleansing stay behind to make sure that all traces of evil have been removed. The tactic is beginning to show some impressive results such as the conversion of several former Tethers to Infernal Fire to his service or Gabriel's. The Archangel of Cleansing is as enthusiastic as any member of his Choir. He has thrown himself into his new task with a passion matched only by Gabriel. Dominic has been keeping a close watch on him, but even that is being gradually eased. But why did Belial turn from Hell and seek Redemption? There are only three beings that truly understand why: Gabriel, Dominic and Novalis. And none of them have volunteered the information, saying only that it will be revealed when he chooses to reveal it. Dissonance It is Dissonant for an angel of Cleansing to not oppose the corrupt. They don't have to use violence or fight openly against them, but they cannot sit and do nothing. Belial is quick to recall any Servitor that is becoming too Dissonant back to Heaven for cleansing. Choir Attunements Seraphim Belial's Seraphim are charged with openly exposing the corrupt. They tend to gravitate towards jobs that help them to get their message out to the most people, such as journalists (Newspaper only of course), paralegals, and middle management positions in certain companies. With a glance, they know the true name of any corrupt person they see. The information is passed along to other angels of Cleansing. Cherubim Cherubim of Cleansing are sent to guard humans that expose corruption. They add their Corporeal Forces to any roll in combat that is done to protect their ward. Along with the handful of Soldiers of Cleansing and Fire, they run underground railroads and witness protection programs that get these people and their families out of harm's way. Ofanim While other angels of Cleansing target corrupt people, the Wheels of Belial go after buildings that are harmful such as waste plants that pollute towns, brothels that enslave children and drug dens. They can find the weakest points in any of those structures and bring them down. They typically take roles in demolition and blasting to help acquire materials. Elohim Belial's Elohim are sent to Earth as doctors, therapists, psychologists...any profession that allows them to work one on one with those who are in need of Cleansing. They add their Ethereal Forces to any non violent action that helps people "see the light." Malakim Just like Gabriel's Malakim, these dark angels are sent after specific targets. Any direct action that they take against their targets will not disturb the Symphony at all including killing. They are sent in only as a last resort. Belial only has ten Virtues in his service and they were sent from Flowers and Fire. Bright Lilim The five Lilim that followed Belial to Heaven are the only Gifters currently in his service. They add their Celestial Forces to using a Geas against the corrupt for any favor that makes them do good. A lot of companies seem to be making large charitable donations of money and time lately... Kyriotates The Dominations of Belial are able to automatically possess the corrupt without them knowing about it (Roll for check digit, however). The angel typically lets the host go about his life, but acts as a voice of conscience and urges them to make amends for whatever earned them the attention of Belial. They typically work with the Elohim of Cleansing for rehabilitation. Mercurians The Friends of Man befriend the corrupt. They are the ones that visit their homes, hang out with them in bars and any other situation where they can be a sympathetic ear. Their Resonance automatically succeeds in reading the corrupt, with only the check digit needing to be rolled. Sometimes, having a good friend makes all the difference in someone's life. Distinctions and relations to other Archangels when I can think them up. This is at the 9k mark now. -:-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:46:30 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Swearing oaths to Lilim >>Nothing personal, I swore an oath to a Lilim to kill two demons of her >>choice every year - much better than Geases! (And yes, he had). > Was the Lilim a Bright or not? No, although he did suggest the possibility - IIRC the line was "You know, you'd be even cuter as a Bright". He just needed her help A LOT. Interestingly, he got out of swearing not to kill her; instead, he swore an oath to not attack her if he had a choice of a different demonic target. Quite nifty, I thought. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:59:02 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:In Nomine T-shirts etc > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3076613942_111087_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >JEAN: No idea. Building a better tomorrow - on earth as it is in Heaven. What are the legal/copyright/etc issues involved in slapping an image from one of the books plus a quote on a t-shirt? More precisely, does SJG object to/encourage this? James. - --MS_Mac_OE_3076613942_111087_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:In Nomine T-shirts etc
>JEAN: No idea.
Building a better tomorrow - on earth as it is in Heaven.

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James. - --MS_Mac_OE_3076613942_111087_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:38:44 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Gabrielites and other connotations William J. Keith wrote: > learn about the making of relics. She's quite uncomfortable with > the apparent disorganization of the surroundings (a trait I would > personally change, since it is my experience that the creative > process is far more efficient in a clean and organized environment, > but that's neither here nor there) That's a matter of personal style for the artists, and also a matter of phase of activity. I find that I like to start out tidy, but no way does it look tidy until, maybe, the end. Now, if Eli were like me, "start out" might have been 15 billion years ago and "finish" might be Armageddon or the heat death of the universe, whichever comes first. So he's always in the messy middle of the creative act. Also, it's a common stereotype of artists that they're messy, especially the more bohemian kind of artists, and this is the human stereotype Eli is built on. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:56:08 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> mini band Its been a while since a mini choir/band was posted so heres another one. Dont read it if andre is not liked by you. Andrelaphus's mini band Eramels Nickname: Fluffers When shedites of Andres go nice and are caught, andre still has a use for them. Well the forces of them anyways. He gets all the bits of forces that remember the urge of lust and cajoles them back together. Then he swallows them and mates with one of his demon-broodmares, who inturn gives birth to the Eramels. The Eramales spend virtually eturnaty in hell, in the brothers and the like, but every once in a while one or two of them get a vessal and get to visit the great earthly gangbangs that go on. The task for them when they are earthside is simple, cause folks to lust. Its terribly easy for them as well and whole towns have been driven to distraction by a visiting eramel or two. What they look like. Well when you get a shedite and strip it down and reform it its till bassically a shedite, but instead of a roiling mass or mouths and eyes and so forth, the eramel has an actual almost human appearance. With a femanine body, large breasts and a very attractive but plain looking face, however, they have eyes where there nipples should me and a mouth where the -sex- is, and they also have 6 arms placed around the body, 2 arms in the normal place, one arm on each hip and one pair in the small of the back. The arms are at just the right height for various endevours in the brothels of hell. Ressonance Simply to find out what a person finds attractive/lustfull and force them to get it. CD 1-2: knows generally what the target finds attractive or a real turn on 3-4: knows what the target would do to get the -relief- they need 5: is able to force the target to think about nothing else but the lusty thoughts they want, thus giving a -3 target number to any checks they make, this lasts for cd minutes multiplied by the ethereal forces of the eramel 6: is able to make the target go and immeadiatly find a way to releif the tension they are feeling with sexual intercoarse. this feeling lasts for cd minutes plus the ethereal forces of the eramel. Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:17:11 -0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Why creative people are often messy >Also, it's a common stereotype of artists that they're messy, >especially the more bohemian kind of artists, and this is the >human stereotype Eli is built on. This isn't necessarily a part of the creation process. In my case, it's a direct result of a strong preference for doing creative things instead of cleaning my apartment. I suspect this is the basis for the above stereotype as well. Cosmic creation is also messy, because Eli (and I suspect Novalis) doesn't stop to clean up after each process before moving on to the next one. Note that in Novalis' case this problem eventually takes care of itself. Note also that this approach is a) not workable in Jean's field and b) not always workable in parts of Eli's field either, such as cooking. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:21:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 4: The Second and THird Horsemen Lucifer spends most of his time, now, going to and fro in the Earth, and up and down in it. (Job 1:7) This includes making regular visits to his protege, Therrian, in Rome. He appeares in Therrian's office and is immediately met with the Antichrist's beaming smile. "My Father," said Therrian, "I have just heard from Baal. He has discovered who has succeeded Laurence as commander of the Host. A spy of his, working with Beleth's people, got it out of a God-Soldier's dreamscape. He has confirmed it from other sources. Do you know who they are down to now? Janus." The Devil chuckled. * * * * * * * "After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." - -- Revelation 7:1 * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Disinformation In deference to seraphim and angels of Revelation, Janus *is* now titled "Commander of the Host." It's just that he's not the only Commander, or the highest-ranking. No need to let that slip to the Horde, though. And there is every need to keep Hell ignorant while Heaven continues to build it strength. PCs can be sent to recall seraphim from Earth, since they are now deemed too great a security risk, if they know anything at all about recent developments in Heaven. Or PCs can *be* seraphim, anxious to finish up work on Earth before they're recalled. Perhaps the PCs have a nifty way of keeping seraphim on Earth-duty without endangering the news blackout. Let them try it out, or let them try selling it to their Archangel. PCs may have demonic or Hell-sworn contacts that they are trying to redeem. (This has gotten much harder, now that Hell looks like winning.) If they are angels of Flowers (very likely, if they're trying to talk demons into redemption), their Archangel probably knows about their contacts. Is Novalis going to pull them out? Or can they bring off the redemption *soon*, without tipping Heaven's hand? A rumor leaks out -- that Gabriel isn't dead, or Uriel's come back, or Michael isn't dead, or even that the Metatron has returned. Pick one. One or more non-celestial servants of Hell have gotten wind of it -- a Hellsworn, Soldier, Undead, or Ethereal. The PCs can either be the Hell-servants or the angels who are now assuredly hunting them down. (Even if the Hell-servants manage to report to someone, let them not be believed by anyone important, to preserve the plot.) Many boddhisatvas and Soldiers of God must simply be kept in the dark about the opening of the Upper Heavens. As the world crumbles around them, can they also be kept from despair? Not much combat potential here, but plenty of roleplaying opportunity. * * * * * * * "When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword." -- Revelation 6:3-4 * * * * * * * Therrian's "recovery effort" gets mixed reviews in the world at large. Most people are too busy surviving to notice or care, but of the rest, a large number resent his flouting of national sovereignties. Some (accurately) accuse him of empire-building. In every nation, there are underground resistance movements forming, and in many nations, there are national armies, or chunks of them, starting to resist the UN troops and the collaborating forces. In the patterns of resistance, in the strategies used, in the occasional reports of battle-Songs, Baal sees Michael's hand. Michael himself may be dead (though Baal personally hopes not), but his influence continues, and it is Baal's place to fight it. Lucifer and Therrian are more than pleased to accept, and soon Therrian's troops are heavily infiltrated and largely commanded by demons and Soldiers of The War. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Rallying Michael's Saints Michael is known to have more Saints on Earth than any other Archangel. This was why. He sends out the word and starts to rally *all* the Saints of War, to aid resistance to Baal and Therrian (covertly, for now). But *how* does he send out the word? It starts with Ophanim of War making the rounds, looking up Saints whose locations are known to Senechals of War and anyone else who volunteers the information. But it's a long list of Saints, a big job, and anyone (any PC) is welcome to help hunt up War Saints whose locations are unknown. On a smaller scale, David, Laurence, and Zadkiel need to rally their Saints, too. * * * * * * * Most of Belial's demons soon find new masters. Many go to Baal or Saminga. Those few who can monitor the traffic of Fire orphans -- mostly demons of Asmodeus -- are surprised at how many Mammon buys up. Consequently, they are among the few *not* surprised when Mammon makes a lightning strike on Haagenti, wiping out most of Gluttony's higher-level servitors, backing Haagenti into a corner, and forcing on the Prince a geas-contract of servitude, brokered by Lilith. "The Hostile Takeover," as this event is dubbed by the Nybbas News Network, restores Mammon to his place as a major Prince. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: The Hostile Takeover Demonic PCs are swept up in the battles of the Hostile Takeover, in Shal Mari. They can be Gluttons, Mammonites, Fire demons newly re-tuned to Greed, or Fire demons not yet re-tuned but simply in service to Mammon as "mercenaries." Or they could be any other denizens of Shal Mari, taking sides or laying low. * * * * * * * "When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -- Revelation 6:5-6 * * * * * * * Raphael, Archangel of Knowledge, guides the streams of information crossing Therrian's desk in Rome. Soon, Therrian sees that he needed an economic miracle. In fact, he needs three. The "recovery zones" are fiendishly expensive to organize. The various battles all over the globe will soon be more expensive. The hidden plans for turning all this into his own empire will be the most expensive of all. Of course, one could simply go into debt, then default. But that would dislocate the very economies he wants to rule one day. No, he needs to move the debts and shortages around, turning them into new weapons. It will be chancey; he will need the devil's own luck for money. Which means he will need Mammon. The Demon Prince is delighted. Fresh from his Hostile Takeover in Shal Mari, he is temporarily flush with power, but he is secretly worried about the future of his Word in a world where economic systems are being shredded by war and "natural" disaster. This gives him a golden opportunity to protect himself and his Word. He eagerly accepts a Role as Therrian's economic advisor. And close behind Mammon, though not in any public role, is Valefor, Prince of Theft. Mammon is uneasy, of course, about Valefor; they are natural enemies. But "moving the debts and shortages around" means stealing, when all's said and done. In a few months, it becomes more and more desirable to live in a "recovery zone," under the protection/domination of Therrian's troops. There, and more and more only there, you can find food and shelter, even luxuries if you know people, do favors, drop bribes, pull strings. Of course, if you can't exploit and weasel successfully, you spend most of your waking hours waiting in queues or working in sweatshops or hard-labor gangs. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Angels of Sherwood Against Mammon and Valefor, Heaven plays Marc and Janus. Unlikely allies in normal times, now, in the Tribulation, they team up to run masses of Robin-Hood scenarios, pulling resources back from Therrian, reducing his power to act and to tempt. Angelic PCs can run Robin Hood adventures more concretely, liberating food, medicine, guns, jeeps, from Therrian's troops and recovery zones, delivering them to resistance fighters, or to those who simply don't want to live in places that increasingly resemble Shal Mari. Demonic PCs can have similar fun, of course, bribing and coercing industrialists, misdirecting funds (Switzerland suffered very little in the natural catastrophes), and running guns in all sizes and amounts. * * * * * * * Earl ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2281 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.