From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jun 28 12:08:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (root@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01280 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id LAA08150 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:51:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:51:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200106281651.LAA08150@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2282 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, June 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2282 In this digest: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' WWI (WAS: Re: IN> Lucifer, Archangel of Light) Re: IN> Why creative people are often messy IN> Alternate Gabrielite dissonance conditions Re: IN> A new Archangel Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 4: The Second and THird Horsemen IN> Rites, Invocation of, and Relations to the Archangel of Cleansing Re: IN> A new Archangel Re: IN> Re:In Nomine T-shirts etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:32:46 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> 'Houston, we have outright fanboyishness...' Galen Silversmith wrote: > There is also a problem in fitting the Endless into the IN > universe; if Dream is lord of the Dreamrealm and the marches, > his power and range of control exist far beyond that of his > siblings, including being inadvertant master of his sibling's > domains in the Far Marches. Morpheus could be lord of the dreaming and not be lord of all the Ethereal Plane, and his siblings' domains might not be on the Ethereal Plane, especially if the Endless aren't Ethereals but, say, non-demonic, non-angellic celestials. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:49:34 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: WWI (WAS: Re: IN> Lucifer, Archangel of Light) From: "Charles Phipps" > > to be killed by it and a rumor remains that WW1 was started by it though > that of course is ridiculous...unless the person rolled a six six six on it. Or if someone rolled a 111, instead. World War I erupted because of the nets of alliances that each of the major European powers had formed with each other, after all. What if the war was inevitable, but not necessarily going to happen at the time it did? That if, without celestial intervention, it would not have happened until weapons development had advanced far enough that when the shooting started, Europe would have been almost completely unpopulated by the time it ended? Must develop this further... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:11:06 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Why creative people are often messy >From: "Janet Anderson" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Why creative people are often messy >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:17:11 -0000 > >>Also, it's a common stereotype of artists that they're messy, >>especially the more bohemian kind of artists, and this is the >>human stereotype Eli is built on. > >This isn't necessarily a part of the creation process. In my case, it's a >direct result of a strong preference for doing creative things instead of >cleaning my apartment *g* Or in fact doing _anything_ other than cleaning up :) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:28:30 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Alternate Gabrielite dissonance conditions Hey guys, here's a thought. What if there are alternate Gabrielite dissonance conditions? Like "War" castes and "Messanger castes" and "Inspiration castes" War is the punishers of the cruel Messangers must carry the word of God and redemption to someone who needs it Inspiration castes must spread it to the ignorant. All with alternated attunements to doing so. Gabriel is the most powerful after michael I've always thought - -Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:40:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> A new Archangel Dude... Moe is gonna kick your butt for this one. :) I liked it. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! The Earth it did crack open / On the day that I was born And a thousand merry pranksters / Came dancin' through the storm I am Antipop / I'll run against the grain till the day I drop I am the Antipop / The man you cannot stop -- Primus, "The Antipop" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:34:20 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... MALAKIM: Thou shalt not. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:34:20 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... MALAKIM: Thou shalt not. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:34:20 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> T-Shirt Slogans... MALAKIM: Thou shalt not. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:55:56 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 4: The Second and THird Horsemen The one obvious plot seed I HAVEN'T seen yet is a Saint or Soldier (or even an overzealous angel) deciding that they need to take out Therrian. Especially if it's someone who could possibly succeed -- what do the PCs do about it, and more importantly, what will their Archangels tell them to do? For demons and Hellsworn, it seems many interesting scenarios could arise from being assigned to Therrian's security detail... Apologies if I'm prematurely anticipating you again. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:54:57 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Rites, Invocation of, and Relations to the Archangel of Cleansing Basic Rites Spend 4 hours cleaning an area (Road, building, parking lot) Spend 8 hours meditating Chance of Invocation: 2 Invocation Modifiers: +1 A city block that the angel cleaned +2 A lock of hair from someone the angel saved from the corrupt (Must be given freely) +3 A holy book from someone who truly believes (Must be given freely) +4 A collection of written evidence against someone the angel is targeting (At least 100 pages worth) +5 A former demon of Infernal Fire who wishes to Redeem +6 Soul killing a Distincted demon Distinctions Vassal of Cleansing: With a touch, the angel can clean water, plants and food that has been tainted. Friend of the Righteous: The aura these angels give off can be felt by those who oppose the corrupt. They draw courage from their presence and feel the strength to carry on. Master of Purification: These angels know at a glance exactly what it would take to cause a corrupt human to redeem and what it would take to destroy their lives completely. They typically use this knowledge to offer the corrupt one last chance at salvation. Allied: Gabriel, Novalis Associated: David, Dominic. All others are Neutral except Hostile: Jordi Opinions Blandine: "His turning from Hell was soothing to Gabriel's mind, for which I am grateful. I will watch closely to see how this develops." ("I never really had many dealings with her or Beleth. She is far more quiet and subtle than the Princess of Nightmares though.") Christopher: "There are many souls in my House that were sent there because of Belial's demons. Although I am glad he's Redeemed, I am not going to be quick to extend the olive branch." ("Earning his trust is going to be difficult. As a Demon Prince, I dismissed him as a weakling. Meeting him face to face has proven me wrong.") David: "I saw his Redemption as it took place. It was agonizing and lasted so long, I didn't expect him to live. And he bore it without complaint or crying out. That answers many arguments I could have made about accepting him." ("David was among the first to welcome me when my own Cleansing was done. Although I do not use methods as violent as his, I appreciate his wise counsel.") Dominic: "God has judged him and restored him to his true nature. Any other statements about him are meaningless. Let him now be judged as an angel of the Lord." ("The Archangel of Judgment was honest with me about my chances of survival. He doesn't trust me completely, but he has let it be known that I now have a clean slate.") Eli (Yes, someone managed to track him down and talk to him about the matter): "No kidding?!? He's back? How wonderful! He was always a smart little angel. Glad to hear it." ("He showed up once when I was on Earth to talk to me. He's rightfully cautious, but accepts my return.") Gabriel: "My beloved son has come back! My mind is at peace now that we are not fighting for control over the Word of Fire. Now my work can continue!" ("Gabriel, I cannot repent enough over what I was. Your unconditional love and forgiveness has soothed me. I shall never turn against you!") Janus: "Let's see. A Redemption of a Demon Prince which shakes up Heaven AND Hell and you want to know my opinion of it? Come on. Glad he's back though." ("The Archangel of the Wind is tough to figure out. He argued viciously in the Seraphim Council that I should be destroyed, then just as fiercely welcomed me into Heaven.") Jean: "I have recorded the shift in the Symphony brought about by the end of the Word opposition between Belial and Gabriel and have it available for others to read. I shall wait and see what happens with him." ("I have been talking with him from time to time to see the wonders of his Hall. He is more focused than Vapula and better able to explain the way things work.") Jordi: "Yes, he is Redeemed. Yes, he is an Archangel. Yes, he was responsible for the destruction of habitat and the deaths of many species in the name of his former Word. Go away." ("He hates me more passionately than when I was in Hell. I shall continue to try bridging the gap between us and work on helping his Servitors as best I can.") Khalid: "It is the will of Allah. I shall not question, nor shall I turn him away if he wishes to speak." ("I hope with him I have a new ally.") Laurence: "He has been Redeemed and accepts my authority. I shall judge him on his merits." ("The Lord Commander is far more intimidating than I imagined. He is keeping a sharper eye on me than Dominic is, but I won't complain. I have not yet earned his trust.") Litheroy: "The return of one of the first of the Fallen is joyous news. I hope to learn more about Hell when things calm down." ("She interrogated me in the Seraphim Council. I felt her eyes bore into me as she sought the Truth behind my Redemption. When she saw it, I felt that I had passed a great test.") Marc: "I was pretty skeptical at first at the idea that Belial would have Redeemed. But here he is, and his Servitors are doing wonders for honest business." ("He seems constantly distracted by what is going on in the world. But he gave me a few of his Servitors as Temps to help build my organization which I appreciate.") Michael: *Wipes away tears from laughing so hard.* "I swear I could hear Baal from here. He may be relieved at getting rid of Belial, but he's going to hate the loss of his best shock troops. As for Belial, I have talked to David and Novalis about him. I'll give him a chance." ("Meeting Michael was almost as terrifying as seeing Gabriel again. I have pledged my people to help his in any way we can.") Novalis: "He is trying to atone for millennia of wrongs. To my surprise, his approach to Cleansing is less violent than I expected. I shall help him through his transition here and try to get others to see that he has truly repented." ("Novalis was the first to welcome me home. Much to my shock, she has advised me on how to take less violent paths to solve problems and has given me a few of her Malakim as Servitors. That kindness shall always be remembered.") Yves: "Although I did not truly see this happening, I am overjoyed that it did. I shall watch his new path with a great deal of interest." ("The Archangel of Destiny has said little to me since I arrived here. I do not see that as hostility; he seems to think that anything that could be said to me about returning here has already been said.") Zadkiel: "It is a great day when a demon finds Heaven. I have seen his Servitors protect those who fight the corrupt on Earth. That in itself eases my worry about allowing him in here." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:55:24 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> A new Archangel > Dude... Moe is gonna kick your butt for this one. :) hmmm...does that make me the Anti-Moe? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:49:11 -0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: IN> Re:In Nomine T-shirts etc >What are the legal/copyright/etc issues involved in slapping an image from >one of the books plus a quote on a t-shirt? More precisely, does SJG object >to/encourage this? Well i think the point is moot if the T-shirt is a one-off and you don't sell it. but the moment you start mass producing it / making profit then the malakim of Steve descend with fiery swords. i could be wrong however (and if I am, they'll have to take my arm too - I have the Balseraph band symbol tattooed there :P ) - -fallenSeraph _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2282 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.