From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Jul 2 19:53:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26347 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:53:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id TAA10541 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:52:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:52:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200107030052.TAA10541@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2286 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, July 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2286 In this digest: Re: IN> Casting Call (NOT a submission) IN> Highly Dark In Nomine Campaign Re: IN> I'm sorry. Again. Re: IN> Re: A Minor Tether of Dark Humor. Re: IN> Highly Dark In Nomine Campaign IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 5: The Fourth Horsemen Re: In Nomine Books (was Re: IN> Ch-ch-ch-changes.) Re: IN> Ch-ch-ch-changes. Re: In Nomine Books (was Re: IN> Ch-ch-ch-changes.) Re: In Nomine Books (was Re: IN> Ch-ch-ch-changes.) IN> APG story Re: IN>Seraph Resonance Abuse Question IN> Need computer advice IMMEDIATELY! Re: IN> Need computer advice IMMEDIATELY! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Casting Call (NOT a submission) On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Charles Phipps wrote: > > Afraid that dead people don't act very well, so this nomination is limited > > to living people only. > > It's a game about the Exalted and the Damned, let's add the dead to the list Well, this is a question of who would play certain roles if SJG were to do an In Nomine movie in the real world, and in the real world, the dead don't act very well. If you want to do a second casting call for Dead Actors instead, by all means, do. It would be nice to see both results. I'll even host the page if ya want. I'll be out of town for the next two days, so any more questions will have to wait until then. Submissions are welcome, of course. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Though they broke my legs / They gave me a crutch to walk / Laws to guide me / And a crutch to walk. / Amen. -- Chumbawamba, "Today's Sermon" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:17:15 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Highly Dark In Nomine Campaign From The Testament of Lucifer in Yves's Special Collection: God is hungry and it needs to feed. I have looked upon the human race, taught them how to use fire with my young but fearful servitor Jean, and I have unfortunately managed to "taint" myself with them. In effect I am no longer able to fufill my duties towards them given to me by God and that I must in fact declare those duties to be against my very nature as an angel. By the time this small book's ink has dried I will have taken up my claws and shredded the throat of the voice of God so that I may silence it long enough to butcher the rest of the angels in Heaven who are loyal to my father. Humans will find the words I write initially repellant but they must understand that this patricide is not that of a son to his father that the Metatron claims God is to even the younger angels but it is the relationship of a man to his pigs. I was the second born entity in the universe after Michael and I spoke to the avatar...but I question that now and wonder if there are not more beings beyond us...beings which spawned the God....but I digress that is beyond the point of this work now. When God said let there be light he illuminated a very small portion of existance and all that was around a small world that he formed over billions of years through his servitors budded from his massive body. No man may see the face of God and live for it is too horrible to look upon and far too massive. The creature charged each of his servitors with preparing the way for the beings that would be known as humanity.... Humanity it was whispered to us was to be the Lord's food. I do not believe God is responsible for the universe because an entity that is the sum of everything would not require food but this God most certainly does and has salivated at the prospect of devouring human souls since he concieved in our minds the method of making them through the generators man calls bodies. It was easy at first preparing for the day these animals would outnumber the stars and be butchered for food....Jordi I think hates the idea of thinking of man as more than an animal...it is all that is keeping him sane to think they are not. Still man was different than I expected and I knew as I taught them fire I was not bringing them fire because I cared for them but because such tools as the Lord instructed us to give them were soley for the purpose of making more of them for the "Father" to feed upon and my heart was wrenched as the souls of the Higher Heavens were ripped apart for it's nourishment to screams only Archangels could hear. As a child of this "God" I am able to continue my own development along that I might too someday require the souls of humans to feed my appetite and existence but if I torment men and keep them impure I can render souls unsuitable for God's consumption and given time it may prove someday I can overwhelm the Creator and force him to feed upon his bastard or better yet be destroyed forever. In any case I hold my concience still horrofic and malformed by human standards against sympathy for them because I know that in whatever pain and corruption they are in, they are still not obliterated. Thus I speak to you my fellow Archangels and brethren to rise up and aid in my destruction of the Creator! - -the Morningstar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> I'm sorry. Again. - --- Matthew Gerber wrote: > Zig > Ethereal Spirit ROACLMWO! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: A Minor Tether of Dark Humor. - --- james walker wrote: > The Tether takes the form of a old > fashioned hand basket That alone was worth the effort of reading this. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:16:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Highly Dark In Nomine Campaign - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > From The Testament of Lucifer in Yves's Special > Collection: > > God is hungry and it needs to feed. [shudder] ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:11:13 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> "And I Feel Fine" -- Part 5: The Fourth Horsemen "When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hell was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." -- Revelation 6:7-8 * * * * * * * Uriel's critics have often commented on the close relationship between his Word of Purity and that of Death -- the one so often seems to lead to the other. And so it shall, one last time. The Word of Death is waxing great, thanks to the many disasters of the Tribulation, and Saminga's power-lust grows with it. He does not notice how the incoming Essence, manipulated by Uriel from High Heaven, focuses his mind more an more on one idea -- that his time has come, that this is his hour of triumph. The scene is a small, elegant parlor in the depths of the Vatican. Therrian sits at a table, the only human thing in the room. At the table with him are Lucifer, Kronos, Baal, and Mammon. Baal: "I need a 30% increase in conscripts. It's as simple as that. We're fighting on fifteen fronts, at the moment, and have eleven recovery zones in need of substantially increased firepower for policing." Mammon: "And *I* need those people and more, for the labor gangs, or the zones will fall apart in two months -- no electricity, no water, no staples freight, not to mention no manufacture of *anything*, including munitions." Therrian: "Lower the age limit on conscription again." Baal: "It's already as low as it can usefully go. A child has to be strong enough to lift a gun, after all." Therrian: "Then we shall just have to divide resources proportionally to current needs and hope to acquire more populations soon." Baal: "Which won't be easy with insufficient troops to make the acquisitions." Mammon: "And insufficient labor to make places to put them." Baal: "Twaddle. Concentration camps are cheap." Mammon: "That won't do if you want to keep tempting--" The door flies open and in strides Saminga as a skeleton in evening dress, making him look like a cross between the Grim Reaper and the Phantom of the Opera. Behind him, Therrian can see his personal secretary, slumped inert over his desk. Saminga: "My Lord, gentlemen, I can offer a solution to the problem I heard you discussing. How would you like several million zombies for your labor pool?" Mammon: "Sam, you idiot! Get out! We don't need your useless stiffs!" Baal [looks at Lucifer, who is waiting quietly]: "Zombie forces would need close supervision. How would you steer -- let alone create -- millions?" Saminga: "No problem! My Word is flourishing as never before. Even now-- That is, at your word, Lightbringer, my servitors can raise mass graves and set them to work. And I will give any demon -- *any* demon - -- my Zombi attunement to make and master more." [He pulls up a chair and crowds in between Baal and Mammon, who are kept from exploding only by Lucifer's continuing gaze fixed on the Death Prince.] Mammon: "Why this unexpected generosity?" Saminga: "So my Word may feed upon itself, of course! Baal's demons will direct zombie troops to kill still more, who will become more zombies, and so on. Mammon, your demons can use my zombies to run any sort of support services Baal may need." Baal: "That will take a great many supervising demons." Lucifer: "All Hell follows in his path. So now we have all four." Therrian: "The Horsemen? Is there a problem, Lord Father?" Mammon: "You aren't saying that Heaven--" Lucifer: "No, I think not." Kronos: "Do not concern yourselves. Broken prophecies still leave fragments after them. It is inevitable that death, war, and poverty attend the violent dissolution of a society." Lucifer: "Continue, Saminga. How many demons? How many zombies? How fast?" * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Zombie Zapping Saminga's minions, now working with those of several other Princes, set up zombie factories in isolated territories controlled by Therrian. Shipments of corpses go in, squads of zombies stagger out, led by demon controllers. (In some cases, trainloads of living victims go in, but the output is the same.) Any PCs serving Heaven can be usefully employed making strikes against the zombie factories, especially if allied humans have been targetted as raw material. Of course, Hell tries to keep the zombie workers segregated from the mundane population, but strange rumors inevitably begin to circulate -- rumors of walking dead, but also of androids and robots, of brainwashed enemy POWs, of clone-slaves, etc. PCs may hear of the zombie factories through the grapevine first, rather than through official channels. * * * * * * * Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:44:58 -0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: Re: In Nomine Books (was Re: IN> Ch-ch-ch-changes.) > > like, where does _GURPS: In Nomine_ fit in? > >It supplies all of that. It contains essentially everything in the main IN >rulebook, plus a bunch of details and corrections. and more details on the grig than you'll find in any other supplement. hell thats why i bought it. Seriously. one book for 4 pages of fluff and background.... - -Fallen(do i have a problem?)Seraph _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:39:12 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Ch-ch-ch-changes. At 1:02 AM -0500 7/1/01, EDG wrote: >At 08:49 PM 6/30/01 +0100, you wrote: > >>But without wishing to send a post that merely retaliates to what seemed to >>me as a rather vicious "squash the newbie" post I have another question. > >I can do "squash the newbie", if you like. That was more of a "die, >HTML-posting heathen scum" post. ;) Heh. And before I saw that you'd caught it, I was going to be sending a fairly nice, for my Princess of List Admin persona, comment along the same lines of "You should have seen the list rules: no HTML." This list is _very_ HTML intolerant. So everyone check your emailer settings, lest you incur my wrath. (David E: you're safe. No HTML in the post there.) >The Revelations Cycle, while (I think) out of print, Don't I wish. O:> It's not, yet. Here's how you can check, though: Go to http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/ Look at the book links, such as http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/Angelic/ . Note the little blue "in print" comment near the top of the text-side of the page. Or, at http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/GMPack/ , the little red "Out of Print" comment. Also note that many, if not most, of the links there have sample text. >Superior writeups that haven't been remade as Superiors books. It also has >a LOT of source material on Heaven and Hell that hasn't been reprinted >elsewhere. Rules/material which has not shown up elsewhere*, off the top of my head: Night Music - Saminga expanded writeup, IN Austin, Demon Prince of Rock&Roll (adventure), Furfur: Prince of Hardcore, Christopher: Archangel of Children. The Marches - Beleth expanded writeup, Pachadim (minor Band), Belial expanded writeup, ethereal realm stuff, pantheon stuff, an adventure/setting. Heaven&Hell - Limbo, details about the Cathedrals and Principalities, Kronos expanded writeup, Asmodeus expanded writeup, Zadkiel: AA of Protection, an adventure. Fall of the Malakim - Lilith expanded writeup, inc. Geas mechanics details; IN Los Angeles, two adventures. Final Trumpet - Malphas expanded writeup, Baal expanded writeup, Magog (Prince of Cruelty), a very long adventure. [* Limbo shows up in GURPS In Nomine, and the expanded Geas mechanics have some appearance, IIRC, in the sample text for FotM.] >The Superiors books offer expanded writeups for many of the Archangels and >Demon Princes (I believe we've seen eight AAs (Blandine, David, Dominic, >Gabriel, Khalid (introduced in the Revelations cycle), Laurence, Michael, >Yves) and nine DPs (most of whom I don't remember at the moment, by virtue >of my books being elsewhere). S1: David, Dominic, Laurence, Michael; these all have expanded expanded writeups, as they were previously expanded by 10 pages in (respectively) FotM, H&H, NM, FT. S2: Andrealphus, Haagenti, Kobal, Nybbas; 10 of Kobal's pages previously appeared in Final Trumpet. S3: Blandine, Gabriel, Khalid, Yves; Blandine, Gabriel, and Yves had 10 (or so) pages of expanded material in: The Marches, Marches, and H&H. Khalid was, as noted by EDG, introduced in Final Trumpet. They now all have about 30 pages, total. (Khalid is the AA of Faith; many consider his original writeup to be... flawed. Ironically, that writeup was nearly a word-for- word translation (as far as I know) of the Khalid from the original French.) S4: Alaemon (Prince of Secrets), Fleurity (Prince of Drugs), Mammon (Prince of Greed), Valefor, Vapula: The three minor Princes come from: The Game Master's Pack adventure, Feast of Blades (out of print); Night Music; Heaven & Hell. They get about 12-15 pages each, IIRC, while Vaps and Valefor get closer to 30. >The Angelic Player's Guide, IMHO, is something you should hold off on until >you've gotten everything else you want. Yup. It has some very good stuff. It has some stuff that's not on the errata pages because I want to playtest what I intend to replace it with. The stuff of both kinds is all mixed together. And the art is sub-par. Some people really like the APG. I, sadly, am not one of them. O:> (If you really like the _good_ stuff, then you'll probably be more appreciative of what is good in the APG. I wouldn't make it an early purchase, though, in case you're one of the ones who sees its flaws.) It's also a book that was at print when I was just assuming the Line Editor mantle, which means I didn't get to fix a lot of problems I had with it. The Infernal Player's Guide is much better, in part because I had a lot more to do with it. (hee!) >...don't recall any others off the top of my head. And remember, these are >only my opinions, and don't represent the feelings or opinions of anyone >else, especially Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. (Beth and SJ do that >schtick.) Hey, I don't get to represent the feelings or opinions of SJ! I sometimes _channel_ them, but I always try to make that clear. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:48:06 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: In Nomine Books (was Re: IN> Ch-ch-ch-changes.) At 3:54 PM +0100 7/1/01, John Dallman wrote: >In article <002201c1023c$61eed560$6401a8c0@polaris>, mgerber@cfl.rr.com >(Matthew Gerber) wrote: > >> [...] where does _GURPS: In Nomine_ fit in? > >It supplies all of that. It contains essentially everything in the main IN >rulebook, plus a bunch of details and corrections. There's a reason that it's thicker than the main IN core book... At 4:44 PM +0000 7/2/01, Fallen Seraph wrote: >and more details on the grig than you'll find in any other supplement. > >hell thats why i bought it. Seriously. one book for 4 pages of fluff and >background.... > >-Fallen(do i have a problem?)Seraph (Of course not.) It also has some changed vignettes, and the disturbance rules are slightly different. (They break too, but at least they're simpler. Someday I will figure out an elegant mechanic...) Material from other books was incorporated where it seemed necessary. The Grig are in it because AT THE TIME OF WRITING IT, we were under the impression the Grig would be appearing soon anyway and not including them would be too mean to the GURPSians. Mrfl. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:31:11 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: In Nomine Books (was Re: IN> Ch-ch-ch-changes.) At 4:44 PM +0000 7/2/01, Fallen Seraph wrote: >> > like, where does _GURPS: In Nomine_ fit in? >> >>It supplies all of that. It contains essentially everything in the main IN >>rulebook, plus a bunch of details and corrections. > >and more details on the grig than you'll find in any other supplement. > >hell thats why i bought it. Seriously. one book for 4 pages of fluff >and background.... I bought it because... well, because it was cool! And for the chart in the back. And a convenient place for the Lilim/Time/Geas thing. And the Grigori. And because I have a Geas/5 that's being paid off in purchased supplements. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:28:42 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> APG story I'd just like to throw in my opinion on the APG, specifically the Kyrio expanded resonance. (I agree that the Mercurian expanded resonance is useless and irritating) Beth's beef has always been that it takes away from the Kyrio of Destiny attunement. Steals their thunder, so to speak. Well, perhaps, but no moreso than the artifact creation rules in the Liber Reliquarum steals Creationers thunder. I ran a game once with the Kyrio rules. The player played a Kyrio of Lightning. He has allocated slightly in favor of Will, as Kyriotates tend to. (Sturdy Kyriotate mind!) with a Will 9, Perception 7. The actual rules left it vague, so I said that once he was in the host, he had to make a Perception roll at -4, to gain memories and skills. I also ruled that if the roll succeeded, that's all he got. He couldn't check again. If the roll failed, the check digit of the failed roll was the number of hours till he could try again. With a Perception 7, he had to roll a 3 or less. He tried, but didn't succeed in accessing skills or memories once. Even had he succeeded, he may have only gotten a check of 1, or what the host was thinking at the time. "I'm hungry, I think I'll go to Subway for lunch." Whereas the Kyrio of Destiny attunement gives all memories, all skills, all the time! Still a massive massive bonus, and a better Choir attunement than most people get! Just my little opinion. Brian Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:28:58 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Seraph Resonance Abuse Question At 2:13 AM -0400 6/29/01, Patrick Ley wrote: >I KNOW I am SURE that this doesn't work: > >Bob the whatever and Clueless the Seraph wan't to find NastyBoy some demon they >want to smite/stop/give AOL disks to. So Bob keeps saying "Nasty Boy is right >behind you until Clueless rolls a CD 6 on his Resonance then POOF! Clueless >Knows the Truth about where NastyBoy is. > > >That obviously can't work so what does he get with a CD 6? He gets that the TRUTH is Bob doesn't know where NastyBoy is, but is trying to use Clueless as a prognosticator; the TRUTH is that the link to the Truth is not strong enough for the Seraph to detect it. This is in... Hm, the GMG, I think? Probably GURPS IN. Definitely the Dominic section of Superiors 1. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:35:15 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: IN> Need computer advice IMMEDIATELY! I'm pretty sure I'm screwed, seeing as how it's a windows problem, but I've gotta ask. I was in the middle of writing an email -- a rather long and creative email for the list, mind -- when my computer crashed. Got that whole "you've run out of resources" BS, and when I tried to save the message, the computer froze. Obviously it wasn't saved after I rebooted. So what I'm desperately hoping is that someone with experience with Windows ME and Outlook Express 6 will tell me that the mail program saves backups of messages in this little-known folder here, and I can recover my precious work. Yeah. right. I know. I hadda ask anyway. :( - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:49:53 -0400 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Need computer advice IMMEDIATELY! > So what I'm desperately hoping is that someone with experience with Windows > ME and Outlook Express 6 will tell me that the mail program saves backups of > messages in this little-known folder here, and I can recover my precious > work. > > Yeah. right. I know. I hadda ask anyway. :( > > -- Casca > Sadly I don't think so. That' why I always write my stuff in Word first. I'm sorry man. I hate when that happens. You have my deepest sympathys. Daniel Demon Prince of Lurkers "I see the world, but it rarely sees me." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2286 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.