From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Jul 7 17:42:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24771 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:42:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA14163 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:41:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:41:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200107072241.RAA14163@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2290 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, July 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2290 In this digest: Re: IN> Well, poop. Re: IN> Well, poop. Re: IN> Well, poop. Re: IN> Well, poop. Re: IN> Well, poop. Re: IN> Well, poop. Re: IN> Well, poop. Re: IN> Well, poop. IN> EPG Re: IN> EPG IN> The ultimate player IN> All Hail Spam! Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2288 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:34:02 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Well, poop. sorry whistler some of us dont have the illuminator, could you tell us what it said please, sorry if this is of topic but if it concerns IN then it should be said here i think >From: Whistling in the Dark >I just saw today's Illuminator. > >Poop. I'm sorry to see it coming, and I hope it doesn't hit In Nomine >when our line's already in trouble. > >That being said... if it's really been that long since they've had >reliable financials up SJGames way -- how do they *know* our products >aren't doing as well as they need to? > >Sigh. >-- >Eric Alfred Burns - > >Habbalite of Belaboring the Point Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:37:41 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Well, poop. Our spies report that at 07:34 PM 7/6/2001 +0000, cassandra benner wrote: >sorry whistler some of us dont have the illuminator, could you tell us >what it said please, sorry if this is of topic but if it concerns IN then >it should be said here i think www.sjgames.com It is a link on the front page. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:38:33 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Well, poop. From: "Whistling in the Dark" > > Poop. I'm sorry to see it coming, and I hope it doesn't hit In Nomine > when our line's already in trouble. As do I... *keeping his fingers crossed for everybody he knows on the staff* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:01:02 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Well, poop. Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > I just saw today's Illuminator. > > Poop. I'm sorry to see it coming, and I hope it doesn't hit In Nomine > when our line's already in trouble. Lousy timing strikes again. I have actually been pestering SJG to either move ahead with publishing the EPG, or else give me the right to post what I've written on my web page, and I finally got a response hinting that some positive action might be forthcoming in the near future. I suspect any such plans have been knocked back into limbo by this development. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:09:41 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Well, poop. I looked, and indeed am looking at the IN Main page.. nada there.. i'll look elsewhere.. whats it say though? >From: Sean McCarthy >www.sjgames.com > >It is a link on the front page. > >Sean > Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:11:57 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Well, poop. Aha i found it, its the link that says :bad news. oooh looks ominous. Who is the demon of misinfomation by the way? does he work for medie or the game? or factions... Hmm... >www.sjgames.com > >It is a link on the front page. > >Sean > Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:29:20 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Well, poop. At 8:11 PM +0000 7/6/01, cassandra benner wrote: >Aha i found it, its the link that says :bad news. > >oooh looks ominous. > >Who is the demon of misinfomation by the way? >does he work for medie or the game? or factions... > >Hmm... Secrets. Unless the Game pulled rank. Misinformation is *right* in line with Secrets's Dissonance conditions. And yeah -- it's scary stuff. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Well, poop. - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > >Who is the demon of misinfomation by the way? > >does he work for medie or the game? or factions... > > > >Hmm... > > Secrets. Unless the Game pulled rank. Quite so. However, the Demon of _Disinformation_ works for Factions (military and intelligence types will understand the distinction). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 00:34:13 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: IN> EPG According to SJ, the EPG is going to be back on the schedule and due to ship either late this year or early next (ie. this is what he just said at the Pyramid chat.) So don't give up yet, David ;) jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:04:33 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> EPG Jo Hart wrote: > > According to SJ, the EPG is going to be back on the schedule and due to ship> either late this year or early next (ie. this is what he just said at the> Pyramid chat.) > > So don't give up yet, David ;) Gee, I'm glad they let the authors know first. :\ - -- - -David "I have little patience for people who tell me that God never gives us more than we can handle, for psychiatric hospitals and suicide graves dug in unconsecrated ground are full of people who have been given more than they can handle." Paul Honsinger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:30:24 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> The ultimate player > In article , > Eric Bertish wrote: >> By the by, I guess this has become apparent by now, so let me make the >> formal announcement: Moe is now officially a player in my game. > >> You may turn green with envy should you so desire. ;) Thank You. Currently turning a dark sickly, green, weeping with envy.. > I'm not sure whether to be envious or relieved that I don't have to cope > with someone so inventive! - -- Rhodri James Envious. He'd be far to busy solving the disasters caused by other players to have time to cause trouble! James. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 00:30:44 -0700 From: Anthony Damiani Subject: IN> All Hail Spam! Everyone knew it would happen eventually. Saminga had angered too many people, for too long. Every Impudite prince-- and a good number of the rank and file wanted his head on a platter, and his organization was as riven with paranoia as Asmodeus', without the correlation between behavior and risk of a sudden and messy demise. It was clear that one day, someone was going to go for the Big Takedown. What nobody saw coming was the direction it was coming from. The Demon of Spam had successfully managed the conceptual transition between being a specific brand of meat product and representing the flood of useless information that blight our existence on the web. In so doing, Lucifer modified his word, either granting him a second word, also Spam-- which seems unlikely, or more polyverbal demons would be running around out there-- or changed his words to 'Things called Spam in corporeal speech.' Spam, therefore, possesses a word of singular flexibility. What does Spam mean, really? Why, anything you can persuade people it means, of course. And nobody persuades the masses like Spam's new boss-- skinny Impudite, wears the glasses, answers to 'Media'. So here's the seed: The impudite princes have formed an alliance. Andrealphus wants Saminga out of the way, Nybbas would like the same and gets a powerful word-bound servitor under his complete control in the bargain, and Kobal... well, Saminga's a good joke, but he's an /old/ joke... and wouldn't it be funny to see him toppled by Spam? So they begin to mount a systematic campaign of redefinition. The conceptual linkage is Spam=Meat=Dead, and all servitors are instructed to adjust their vocabulary accordingly. It's been bandied as a catchphrase throughout most of this season's prime time lineup: "Yeehaw! Spammed 'im good, captain!" "I'm sorry ma'am... your husband.... he's spam." Saminga's key advantage has always been the raw strength of his word, if that were weakened, even temporarily, by 'Spam' siphoning off some of the conceptual weight of 'death,' then he becomes vulnerable to more direct action. It should be almost immediately apparent to any PCs that there's an infernal plot afoot-- this kind of linguistic meddling has to be rather obvious in order to succeed. The only question becomes whether they want it to succeed or fail. I'm actually rather curious to see how players would engage in this kind of memetic warfare-- how does one go about redefining the meaning of a word, even an innocuous one like Spam? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 18:42:08 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2288 > > james walker said unto us: > and verily, Cameron McCurry replied: And thusly, Cameron answered: >>They live in Hell, which is not a good place to keep your sanity. > So the Game would approve of these insanities? Or 'arrest' any demonling > they find like this and then finish the process themselves? I wouldn't see why they would destroy a demonling that was insane enough to become a Punisher. It's just understood that that Band has a rather..different outlook on life. > Delightfully dark, but not necessarily cost effective for a DP; they'd be > better off creating a new Habbalite from scratch. I would think that the brainwashing is a part of making the Habbalite. Although now that I have pondered it a bit more, it makes more sense that a Habbalah would do the training rather than the DP. > [Grins] Ah, but answered prayer in In Nomine is a form of Focused Effort > {CPG p 10). Persuading the Damned to had over their essence to Habbalite > 'clergy' actually prevents this from happening. "Seriously, do you want to > try getting salvation on your own merits, or will you let us do this - when > we have millennia of experience and our prayers have moved countless Souls > to Heaven". But it also mentions that a soul in Hell who prays for forgiveness, expects nothing in return, and is sincere would be taken to Heaven. No Essence spent, just a vacant space where the damned soul used to be. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2290 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.