From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Jul 9 16:42:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32230 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:42:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA13933 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:41:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:41:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200107092141.QAA13933@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2292 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, July 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2292 In this digest: IN> Wear Fire-Retardent Re: IN> Flavor question Re: IN> Flavor question IN> "Official" Casting Call: One week warning Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 6: The 144,000 Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince IN> Mormons Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince Re: IN> Wear Fire-Retardent Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince IN> Re: LUCIFER WRITE-UP Re: IN> Mormons Fwd: Re: IN> Religion in Hell IN> ADMIN: DEAD TOPIC! (Re: Flavor question) Re: IN> Fufur, Demon Prince of Destruction part 1 Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince [please read!] Re: IN> Re: LUCIFER WRITE-UP IN> In LARP IN> DP of Extinctions Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 6: The 144,000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:23:12 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Wear Fire-Retardent Some advice for any demon who wants to play it "old style" and go for souls over enjoyment.... *Kronos walks up to the podium at Asmodeus's demonling class* LILIM AND BALSERAPHS OF THE CLASS OF 97..... Wear Flame Retardent If I could offer you only one tip for the future, Flame Retardent would be it. The long term benifits of Flame Retardent have been disproved by Vapulites and thus that's good enough for me a reason to wear it....especially around Sheol and Gabrielites. Still the rest of my advice has no basis other than my own meandering experience. I will dipense this advice....now. Enjoy the power and beauty of your vessel. Oh nevermind, you won't enjoy the power and beauty of your vessel until your in the vessel of some Chiuawa but trust me in 20 or 200 years you'll look back at photos, portraits, or DVDs of yourself and grasp in a way you can't now just how really good you looked for seducing mortals to evil. You are not as pretty in your natural forms as you think you are....unless your victems go for horns. Don't worry about angels or worry about them but realize worrying about angels is about as effective as trying to make friends with the Game. The real angels will attack whenever you arn't thinking about them. Likely strike your tether at 4 pm on some idle tuesday with hordes of soldiers and flamming swords. Do one thing every day that scares you...except servitors of Beleth, do one thing that doesn't. You'll be worse for it. Sing...especially badly around Mercurians. Be reckless with other people's hearts (Balseraphs remember you can be someone's loved husband instally, Djinn can be patient for someone truly desperate, Impudites and Lilim...HA you know, Habbalah have enough tricks for it, Shedim possess fiances in the moment before consumation) and if someone is reckless with yours... walk it off Floss your fangs. Waste as much time as you can on jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind. The race is long but in the end when your betrayed you'll have the satisfaction of having taken many more people down with you. Forget the compliments you recieve, Remember the Insults and death threats, There the only honest things down here. If you find someone sincere about the former and not about the later, tell me or Asmodeus about him. Rifle through people's trash for love letters and bank statements. Stretch....others on the rack. Don't feel guilty about what word you want to pursue. The most interesting diabolicals didn't know didn't know at 15 billion what they wanted to do. Besides the ones with the most interesting word posessors I know still don't know what word they want to pursue. Get plenty of Calcium...especially in bones. Be Kind to your Hellsworn, you won't miss them when they're gone but they're not gone until cursing you for damning them forever. Maybe you'll sleep with mortals, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll sire nephlim, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll have your forces stripped down and grafted to the resulting offspring...maybe you'll be given a distinction for corrupting the angel you had them with. Whatever you do don't congradulate yourself too much...your Prince and fellow demons hate anyone happy when it's not them....they hate anyone else happy when it is them. Don't berate yourself either, your chances of pleasing your Superiors are half...of a millionth percent. So is every other demons including the Princes. Enjoy your celestial form, use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it or what other demons think of it, it's the only thing you'll ever really own....and even then it can be stripped from you. Dance. Even if you have nowhere to do it but your own living room...it annoys Novalis....especially if you add violent breaking things and stomping flowers. Listen to the directions your Superior gives you even if you do not follow them. Do not look at Lilith/Michael/Baal/Laurence/David/Gabriel/Blandine it will only make you feel ugly! Get to know your Barons, Counts, And Dukes...you'll never know when they'll be gone for good and you can hijack their position. Be mean to your fellow demons. They're your best link to your past...which will suck....and the people most likely to make your future unpleasant. Understand the people you call friends will come and go but for the precacious few whom you've brainwashed completely. Work hard to bridge the gap in Geography and lifestyle because the older you get the more that a power pyramid across all classes and places will benifit from creation in the days when you were young. Live in Gehenna or Sheol once but leave before it makes you hard. Live in Shal-Mari once but leave before it makes you...soft. Travel...enemies will be able to follow you less. Accept Certain Inalienable truths. The costs for power will rise, your betters will abuse you, and you too will do thing paranoid and incompetant like in cheap spy movies. And when you get older do you'll fantacize that in Heaven rewards for service are reasonable, Archangels are noble, and angels respect their elders...and if you act on that then I'll have you killed. Respect your elders, right until your strong enough to put them under. In Hell there is no such thing as a non-fair weather friend. Don't expect anyone else to support you (this is Hell after all). Maybe you have a Distinction, maybe you have a word but you never know when a Demon Prince or Lucifer will decide to have a little fun with those. Be careful whose advice you buy....especially Malphas's or Kobals. But be patient with those who dispense it because advice is a form of manipulation and if you are aware your being manipulated you can turn the tables....of course if he knows you know then you'll have to know...and so on. But trust me on the flame retardent - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 01:08:18 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Flavor question > Am I the only one who flavors campaigns with musical background? Does > anyone else do this, and do they have suggestions for In Nomine music? Nope. I have a quite extensive CD collection (mostly movie soundtracks) which I use to add atmosphere to a game. Frex, in the game I ran tonight I had the PCs on Beleth's side of the marches, so I cued up some spooky/suspenseful tracks (not naming names, don't smite me ArchBeth) to enhance the ambiance. It really helps now that I have a 6gig mp3 player -- much easier than toting a portable stero and two dozen CDs. And music suggestions are a forbidden topic on-list. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 02:39:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Flavor question On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, H. Pilkington wrote: > Am I the only one who flavors campaigns with musical background? Does > anyone else do this, and do they have suggestions for In Nomine music? Many of us do, and many of us have suggestions, but this topic has been officially BANNED from the IN-list, so if you'll drop it with style and grace, you might not get whipped by the list moderator. I don't want to greet a newbie with anything less than open arms, but I must ask: Didn't you read the intro message that you got when you joined this list? Very important stuff in there. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Some people desperately want to be a a part of the crowd. Some people are special; they stand out in a crowd... And then there's the ME PHI ME - WE STAND ALONE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 02:41:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> "Official" Casting Call: One week warning (Actually, I'm a few days late - sorry, been on vacation.) There are TWO WEEKS LEFT to submit your Casting Call nominations. Thank you. (And if you're new, and don't know what I'm talking about, please email me privately and I'll explain. Your opinions can matter.) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Q: How many roleplayers does it A: 3d6 take to change a light bulb? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 05:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > How does one go about seducing their Archangel/Demon > Prince? In the case of Andre? Breathe.* Moe *And even that's not necessary, providing that you can catch him when he's bored. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:39:36 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 6: The 144,000 "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel." -- Revelation 7:4 * * * * * * * For months now, everyone in Heaven has been accustomed to seeing twenty-one of the twenty-four Elders arrayed around the Throne of God. Indeed, the Elders were paid little attention, since the Occupant of that throne always drew in one's spiritual vision. But suddenly there were twenty-three Elders there, and people did notice. In minutes, every Archangel had manifested in the chambers of the Seraphim Council, and angels of Revelation began teleporting in with TV cameras and notepads. In the center of the chamber stood two Archangels: Song and Death. Death turned to Uriel. "You have called. I have come." Uriel nodded. Song turned to Dominic. "Our sentence is done." And Dominic nodded. Song raised its hands, summoning, and new figures began to appear in the Council Chamber -- beautiful giants, male and female, with golden auras - -- the Grigori, returning. "These are my closest servants," Song said. "But many remain on Earth. And in Limbo. And here on the Celestial Plane, in the gulf between Heaven and Hell. And on the Ethereal Plane. Many I can reach, but all must be gathered in." Dominic nodded. "Their sentence, too, is done." Laurence added, "And Heaven needs all its angels, now." "Tell me, Song," said Yves, in the tone of one giving a cue, "how did you spend your time on Earth?" Song smiled. "I am Song. I composed. I bring many new Songs to Heaven." It gestured and, with a rustle, a thick stack of scores appeared before each Archangel, and before many senior angels, including Israfel, Angel of Music. "And I am a Watcher," Song continued. "I watched. In large part, we all watched. Many of the new Songs I bring you were written to assist us in our spying. Thanks to them, many of us retreated to Limbo and yet could watch and report from there. Over the ages, we sent our findings to you, as well as we could. Here, now, is my final report." And Song gestured to Laurence; a thick folder appeared before his place. The Grigorian Archangel gestured more widely and similar folders appeared before every other Archangel. "I bring you the Grigori, I bring you new Songs, I bring you intelligence for the War," Song said. "And I bring you a new Word. We Watchers have spied and explored everywhere, in our exile. And we have hidden everywhere. Including all the waste places of reality -- Limbo, the Outermost Marches, the Astral gulf between Heaven and Hell, even the Lower Hells. I led my Choir in that exploring, that hiding, that we might not fail in our duty, and that we might survive. And for that effort, I was given a second Word -- the Word of waste places and outer darkness. I am also Archangel of the Abyss." Song, who is also Abyss, bowed low before the Metatron, offering its strange Word to Heaven. "Welcome back," the Metatron said. "And just in time," said a new voice. All turned to it. "Eli!" cried Novalis. Throughout the Council Chamber, many angels and saints closed their eyes and turned to the East, to see the Throne, where now all twenty-four Elders stood in attendance. A buzz of wondering filled the room. Many looked to Dominic. The Archangel of Judgement closed his hanging jaw with a snap, then reared up. "Eli," he said, his voice clear and calm, "why did you leave Heaven and your duties?" Eli smiled. "I was on a secret mission from God!" He grinned at the Metatron, who smiled back and nodded. "Good enough?" he asked Dominic. Dominic settled back onto his seat in silver coils. "Quite good enough. Thank you." "What was this mission?" Yves asked, again giving a cue. "Vessel 2.0," Eli announced. "It's immortal. Stress it to the point of death, and it instantly goes into potentiality. The owner automatically ascends, free of Trauma and ready to return, just like a Malakite with spare vessels. But, ah, I've only got up to the beta-test version; I can only attach one to a Child of the Grigori. That's why I'm so glad to see Song back." "And how many of these new vessels are you prepared to make?" Yves prompts again. "With all Archangels helping," Eli answered, "I estimate about ... 144,000." He grinned. Laughter rippled through the Council chambers. But then Dominic rose again. "Heaven has an ancient contract to fulfill. Long ago, Abraham was promised that, in his children, all nations would be blessed. The details of that convenant are forgotten on Earth, but not here. Accordingly, I Judge that these new vessels should go to 144,000 children of the house of Israel who also bear Grigorian blood." * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: The Muster of the Grigori The Grigorian Archangel of Song is able to contact the bulk of the Grigori, and in fact many ascend to Heaven within hours of their Archangel's return. But quite a few remain hidden. They need to be called back. Song can give some clues, but leg work and detective work is needed. PCs can provide it. The Grigori have found many obscure places to hide, so the hunt can take the PCs to almost any corner of the In Nomine setting, outside Hell -- the more remote, the better. Resident aliens in pagan pantheons, nomads in the gap between Heaven and Hell, hermits in Limbo, and members of the plankton floating for centuries through the seas in very tiny vessels, are just some of the possibilities, along with the usual hideaways in the human population. Once the Grigori are back in Heaven, where do they go? Some may want to go back to their old Words and find they are still not welcome. Some may have signed on with Song during their long exile and find Song doesn't want to let them go. Or perhaps Abyss doesn't want to let them go; (same Archangel, different Word). The PCs can get involved in this if some of them are very old and have Grigorian friends -- or foes -- who have shown up again. Or if they make a new friend among the Grigori. ... Or if they find that a "human" or "Ethereal" ally of theirs has been a masquerading Grigor all this time. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Eli's Return With Eli's return, there will be another round of personnel reshuffling, like those that accompanied the returns of Raphael, Uriel, and Oannes. Eli's exoneration can have a roleplaying effect on old grudges between Creationers and their detractors. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: The Muster of the Children Some of the 144,000 are already in Heaven, but some are on Earth. Or at least *candidates* are on Earth. It may be one's Destiny to be one of the 144,000, but not everyone achieves their Destiny. Yves can give information on where to find these candidates, but it will be up to various PCs to do the recruiting. Since many of the candidates did not even know they had Jewish blood, much less angelic blood, they are in for a shock. And they very likely have unfinished business. And they may not *want* to be recruited. Remember, they almost instinctively avoid celestials. And what if Heaven overshoots? What if they make up the 144,000 and have Jewish Grigorids left over? Once these people are finally recruited, they are likely to want to play some role in the War as they now know it. Come up with something. Then there are all the gentile Children. The faint suspicion that the Grigorids may be Heaven's ace in the hole has expanded into a roaring rumor among the Host. Many folk won't settle for the idea that the rumor has been "fulfilled" by recruiting the Children for the 144,000; they will be seeking out Children on Earth and in Heaven, to recruit for their own schemes. Some Grigori (not all) will be willing to help locate and convince their descendants. * * * * * * * Roleplaying seed: Death Angels It is canonical that the Archangel of Death exists, but virtually nothing is written up about it. There are some non-canonical write-ups at: http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/Azrael.htm http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Angels/Archangel.Charon.html Now that the Archangel of Death has (re)appeared in Heaven, its servitors come out of whatever cosmic woodwork they have been hiding in. It turns out that only a few Death Angels have operated out in the open, and those few have been deliberately kept in the dark about their Archangel and fellow servitors. Heaven has a whole new sub-culture of angels to assimilate -- angels who know much more about the rest of Heaven than Heaven knows about them, but who are still quite foreign. You can roleplay meetings with Death Angels in Heaven -- personal encounters, or guest lecturers coming to gives get-acquainted talks to other Words, or official envoys of the Death Archangel working their way through diplomatic formalities. The tone of these encounters depends on how you paint the Heavenly Word of Death -- otherworldly, icy and dark, violent, or sentimental. It may also be that some old acquaintance -- a supposed angel of Destiny or Fire or War -- turns out to have been an undercover Death Angel. That might take getting used to. The Angels of Death are very powerful, numerous, and busy. Among their other duties, they saw that Hell only got souls that were truly damnable; they were the next-to-last filter before the Angels of Final Judgement at Hellgate. They were the reason ghosts are so rare. Death and Destiny worked together, secretly, to regulate reincarnation, and Death Angels escorted reincarnating souls to their new bodies. And every Death Angel regards every Undead as a personal insult. They will be more than happy to help in raids on Saminga's zombie factories; in fact, they will have a tendency to lead them. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > How does one go about seducing their Archangel/Demon > Prince? Well, with Andre it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Very big fish. Very small barrel. Asmodeus? Yeah, right. Dominic? See above. Laurence? A vow of chastity isn't one of his Oaths, but I can't see him falling into the sack with one of his own Servitors. Ditto Michael; fraternization is bad for unit morale. In Michael's case, an angel serving another AA has a better chance. Since Laurence is Commander of the Host, anyone short of an AA is SOL. Novalis probably has brief liaisons with her Servitors - --but let's be clear; she really loves all of them. Eli is likely glad to help one of his own to perform one of his Rites. Blandine would probably regard getting involved with one of her angels as cheating on Beleth's memory. No joy there. Furfur is too hardcore to put up with being seduced. But any of his demons who jumped on him and tried to ravish him would win some serious points (even if Furfur wasn't interested). I'm sure that wrath isn't the only passion that Belial burns with. Seduction wouldn't work as well with him as a blatant proposition, though. Lilith is unseduceable -- but that doesn't mean that she never seduces others. Kronos would gladly give in to one of his Servitor's charms -- if it led that worthy to his/her Fate. Yves might do the same if it were necessary for an angel to achieve his/her Destiny, but the old man's probably a tougher nut to crack than Dominic. I'll leave the others for someone else. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:52:50 +0100 From: "Dave" Subject: IN> Mormons In the GMG it states that Celestials consider the Mormons little more than an offshoot of the Protestant church. However given the "history" behind the Book of Mormon (two angels, a magic breastplate and spectacles and metal tablets covered in strange writing - if memory serves) and their rather tumultous history in the States would indicate that they least deserve an additional footnote in either Yves library or the Archive (Mainly who'se this Moroni bloke and his mate?) . Dave "Evil shoots.Evil scores!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:58:17 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince But it's not really seducing him. If your only purpose is to get him into bed, then alright. But if you are trying for anything other then that, then he's probably one of the hardest. >From: Maurice Lane >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 05:33:02 -0700 (PDT) > >In the case of Andre? > >Breathe.* > >Moe > >*And even that's not necessary, providing that you can >catch him when he's bored. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:00:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Wear Fire-Retardent - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Wear Flame Retardent Magnificent. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:16:00 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince - --On Monday, July 9, 2001 10:58 AM -0700 Bevan Thomas wrote: > But it's not really seducing him. If your only purpose is to get > him into bed, then alright. But if you are trying for anything > other then that, then he's probably one of the hardest. *blink* *blink again* Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Some logical conclusions shouldn't be followed.") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:41:50 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: LUCIFER WRITE-UP This is a really interesting question, so I'm going to anonomyze it and put it on the list... (Okay, okay, I admit: I liked a few of the terms of phrase there, and wanted to inflict them on everyone else.) Put it on the list after cutting out all the wretched HTML cruft that AOL 6.0 inserts automatically, that is. O:/ At 7:42 PM -0400 7/6/01, [A hapless AOL-user] wrote: >WHERE, OH WHERE, ARCHANGEL OF ARCHIVES, >MIGHT SOMEONE ( LIKE ME, FOR INSTANCE ) FIND A WRITE-UP OF LUCIFER >THE LIGHTBRINGER AS PORTRAYED IN THE IN NOMINE RPG ? >I HAVE SEARCHED ENDLESSLY AND AM DEPLETED OF OPTIONS. >I'VE FOUND ONLY 2 VERSIONS: DARK VICTORY ( REDEEMED VERSION ) >AND PYRAMID # 9 ( INCOMPLETE WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT )... >THERE HAS TO BE A WRITE-UP OF THE INFAMOUS PRINCE OUT THERE, >SOMEWHERE... COMPLETE WITH ATTUNEMENTS, DISSONANCE, RELATIONS, >CHANCE OF INVOCATION, INVOCATION MODIFIERS, ETC..._PLEASE_ REPLY ??? - ---------- The Lightbringer is more a... natural phenomenon, like weather, than a character, in In Nomine. His attunements are up to the GM to decide -- he gives out Words at whim, at least. What dissonance is -- is for the GM to determine. Whether he has _SERVITORS_ is for the GM to decide -- there are some non-canon ones in the Pyramid files (www.sjgames.com/ pyramid). His relations ebb and shift as the GM wills, with all the Princes as puppets. No one would dare try to invoke him, without permission (well, Furfur did, but that was sort of different), and any modifiers to the chance are well-guarded secrets. (Such as the House of the Morning Star, a Tether in _Liber Castellorum_. I think I recall that name correctly...) Basically, the Demon Princes and Archangels are beyond the quantification modes that work for mere Servitors. Lucifer is beyond the quantification modes that work for Superiors. Presumably, God is above even that, but if you're on the demonic side, you probably don't want to think that too much, because it's kind of rude at best, and highest treason at worst... Does that help? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:21:06 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Mormons Dave wrote: > In the GMG it states that Celestials consider the Mormons little > more than an offshoot of the Protestant church. However given the > "history" behind the Book of Mormon [...] and their rather > tumultous history in the States would indicate that they least > deserve an additional footnote in either Yves library or the > Archive (Mainly who'se this Moroni bloke and his mate?) . Researching Mormonism would certainly be an interesting excercise in celestial detective work for IN characters -- probably carried out in the 19th century, shortly after the founding. As a matter of courtesy, the GM should make sure that the answer arrived at does not offend any players, of course. In fact, there are a bunch of similar cases for celestials to investigate, if they aren't causing them, in 19th century America. The same general period that saw the origin of the Mormons also saw the origins of Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventism, and Spiritualism. There were lots of others, less well-known. A plausible Historical IN adventure would center around some minor and fictitious sect of the period, which the celestial PCs could either be founding or investigating. Stealing a leaf from Stella Gibbon's "Cold Comfort Farm," one could use the Church of the Quivering Brethren. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:42:52 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Religion in Hell >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:40:03 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 9 > >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:43:00 -0400 >From: Mike Bruner >Subject: Re: IN> Religion in Hell > >>> Some thoughts on Religion in Hell: >>> >>> What makes a gremlin decide to fledge [? should that be whelp?] as a >>> Habbalite? If the gremlin knows that its' a demonling, then it may treat >>> this as a form of Redemption. If not, there are demonlings around who think >>> that they're Relievers. >> >> It could be a matter of that particular demonling being mentally >un - stable to >>begin with as well. They live in Hell, which is not a good place to keep >your >>sanity. >> Or to follow up on your idea for a darker campaign, the gremlin is >"chosen" >>by a DP to become a Punisher. The mind is broken and warped by the DP (And >>possibly another Habbalah as a teacher) until the gremlin "realizes" that >it was >>sent by God to serve in Hell. > >Come to think of it, can't Demon Princes create full-grown demons and skip >the demonling step altogether? It's possible most Habbalah are created that >way when needed; why go through all the trouble of "training" a demonling >for a particular role when you can get what you want in the first place >without that? Of course, some demonlings might go nuts or be "treated" by >Habbalah in the Prince's service to become Habbalah as well, but I think >counting on demonlings as a source of Habbalah is unlikely (I know Vapula's >writeup suggests he at least was born fully formed). This might not hold >with a Habbalite DP, of course, where the demonlings in the DP's service >are brought up with the "truth" as a matter of course and so would be more >likely to buy into the Habbalah mindset. > >> The only thing that might have been missed in your idea (Which was quite >>good, by the way) is the chance that a soul going to church in Hell might be >>truly penitent and beg for forgiveness. *POOF!* One former lost soul, >now in >>the Higher Heavens, and the demons in the area having to explain things to >their >>Superiors rather quickly. > >I thought the idea of souls escaping Hell in canon was a best a rare rumor >in Hell; it is as the writeup mentioned not merely a question of being >sorry for what you did. Besides, I imagine a Hellchurch would either be a >little too forgiving ("Come now, it's natural to sin; why be so ashamed it >happened?" kind of thing) or if Habbalah-run the churchgoers would probably >continually be beaten with their unworthiness to the point of being told >they were not remotely pure enough to even beg forgiveness, both of which >might inhibit such escapes even if it exists IYC. Of course, the >possibilities from manufacturing such an incident in a Hellchurch would >certainly appeal to Kobal's folks, which gives some appropriate adventuring >ideas along those lines... (one can visualize a disguised Kobalite giving a >passionate "I've seen the light now, brothers!" speech right before making >an impressive disappearance :)) > >-- >Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net > >It takes all kinds of people to make a world, but did you ever think the >percentages were wrong? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:55:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> ADMIN: DEAD TOPIC! (Re: Flavor question) At 11:49 PM -0400 7/8/01, H. Pilkington wrote: > >Am I the only one who flavors campaigns with musical background? Does >anyone else do this, and do they have suggestions for In Nomine music? Please go to www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html and READ IT. Twice. Music threads and Casting Calls are _forbidden_. The only way to have one of these threads is if someone compiles the results OFF-LIST, and then posts a _URL_ to them. They are not to be done on the list. Period. The way that Pee Kitty is doing that Casting Call is a lovely model for how a similiar Music Call might be done. Anyone who wants to take on the responsibility... well, let's just say that following Pee Kitty's example is a Very Good Idea. (Discussing _ways_ of putting on given tracks without wrecking the pacing are barely on-topic -- they're more general gaming than IN-specific -- but if such a thread didn't show signs of becoming Undead, I would merely watch it with a hawklike eye. So Casca is safe on that tightrope over there. O:> ) - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:44:18 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Fufur, Demon Prince of Destruction part 1 This is GREAT! I love this version of Fufur much better than the DP of Hardcore. Very useful in a game. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:06:03 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> How to seduce your Archangel/demon prince [please read!] >>In the case of Andre? >> >>Breathe.* >> >>*And even that's not necessary, providing that you can >>catch him when he's bored. > >But it's not really seducing him. If your only purpose is to get him into >bed, then alright. But if you are trying for anything other then that, then >he's probably one of the hardest. Definitely. Read Andre's Superiors 2 writeup. If you want any actual emotional connection other than pure lust, not *only* is it going to be about as hard as keeping Janus in one place if not harder, at the end, either he'll be Redeemed or you'll be soul-killed. Maybe both. Hmm...That offers *interesting* plot seed potential... I'm also having flashbacks to another seed, one about Azzie accidentally attuning to a PC with possible Redemption near the end... ...okay, that does it. Here's a challenge for everyone out there. We've got plenty of Redeemed/pre-Fall Demon Princes and Fallen Archangels out there. However, IIRC, there's only two actual seeds that focus on the transformation, and Khalid in 'The Final Trumpet' doesn't count (one is Gabriel's insanity and potential change into Princess of Wrath, and I can't remember the other one offhand.) What I'm looking for is a seed about corrupting an Archangel or Redeeming a Prince. No writeup of the changed Superior is necessary (though it'd be appreciated by GMs planning to run the seed, I believe,) but the PCs *must* have some hand in it - either attempting to prevent the change or attempting to help it - and preferably this will involve actually dealing with the Superior in question (and likely Kronos & Yves as well...) Bonus points for more 'difficult' ones a la Moe's 'Oops!' cycle, but try not to rip off other people's ideas about Superiors switching sides. (Words are allowable, stealing it in detail is not.) I don't think I'll run this as a contest, just because I don't have enough webspace or time to put all submissions online. It's just a quick challenge. ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (ST) Also, on the shelves back here that I never mentioned, there are spare jars of such bar staples as pretzels and cashews. (Eric) "Would now be a good time to mention my character has a sexual fetish for cashews?" (ST) There *is* no good time to mention a sexual fetish for cashews. Storyteller/Thomas Wilde and Eric/Brad Lawson, 'Last Escape' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:09:41 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Re: LUCIFER WRITE-UP >Whether he has _SERVITORS_ is for the GM to decide -- >there are some non-canon ones in the Pyramid files (www.sjgames.com/ >pyramid). And at least one canon one, IIRC. The Demon of Insubordination, writeup in 'The Final Trumpet'. Don't remember the page, but I do remember that he works directly for Lucifer (more or less). ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Only a truth could hurt this much...The lies had always been kind to him. Sumeragi Subaru, 'X: Broken Worlds' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:20:56 +1200 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: IN> In LARP Hey all, The University Roleplaying club called AMERICA (association of middle earth roleplayers and individual character assimilation) has grabbed me and beaten an In Nomine Live game out of me... I have an idea. I have a plan. I wouldn't mind a little input though. The idea is simple. Keep the mechanics to a minimum and the amount of knowledge needed down as much as possible. Things like Disturbance and used as a GM tool and not for the players to worry about. Essence will be used, but as Jellybeans (spend a point, eat a JB). Each player has a Resonance and one other ability (attunement or song) and a sheet of information about themselves so they don't get lost while in the game. The plan is quite complex but fun none the less. There is a Demon called Terridian (PC) who wishes to become the Demon Prince of Hopelessness. He is already the Demon of Lost Hope and a Duke of Fate. He worked hard and got The Lightbringer's attention and asked him on the spot for the Princedom. Lucifer, being crafty decided to have a trial. But not a normal one. He told Terridian he would summon all the Demons he has had signifigant dealings with over his life and get them to vote on whether or not he should become a Prince. Of course Lucifer is giving Terridian the chance to bend their perceptions before the final vote is cast. Lucifer hasn't told Terridian that all of the Demons are Superiors who are playing down their Superior status at the request of the Morning Star. They are interested in seeing how Terridian plays the game. How he manouveres around each Word and twists the Truth to his ends. Asmodeus is most interested in the about-to-be-Superior/Cat food. At the end of the night, the vote will be cast in private and the result made public. If the vote goes against Terridian then all the Superiors reveal their true selves and decide to take offense at the things Terridian has said to them throughout the night. Kronos especially. If it goes in Terridian's favour he is crowned a Prince but Lucifer decides to make Terridian fully aware of Hopelessness. He strips him of all his Essence and Charms his Will away. He then has all of the Superiors "Reveal" their True natures. And they are all Archangels. If Terridian looses all Hope then he is sweet and joins the Hierachy. If he balks them and tries to get out of it he is clinging to the thing he most wants to rub out and gets destroyed. So..... that is the story. I'm running it with another person who will adjudicate the various challenges and so on. What does everyone think? Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:38:06 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: IN> DP of Extinctions Hi all, Another question from a newbie, Shouldn't there be a DP or Demon of Extinctions? There have been several species in the last 100 years and many on the brink now that might keep that Word-bound in power. Comments? Thoughts? Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 6: The 144,000 Earl, I compliment you on your knowledge of escatology. I, for one, definitely appreciate all the details out of Revelations. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2292 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.