From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Jul 13 22:54:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18641 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:54:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA12111 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:54:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:54:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200107140354.WAA12111@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2301 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, July 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2301 In this digest: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture Re: IN> Truth is stranger than fiction... Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture IN> A controversial relic Re: IN> A controversial relic IN> Princes with no overriding Goals Re: IN> Truth is stranger than fiction... Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Re: IN> A controversial relic Re: IN> A controversial relic Re: IN> A controversial relic IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2300 Re: IN> Hi Re: IN> Hi Re: IN> Hi Re: IN> Hi Re: IN> Hi IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom Re: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom Re: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer Re: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer Re: IN> Word Friction IN> Ahriman Re: IN> Word Friction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:41:06 -0500 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture > > >By the way, seeing as how the archives are down for the time being, I > > >HOPE someone is collecting these.... > I've got them all. Why do I have the urge to make Pokemon references or say something like "I'll trade you for a Yves rookie card!" right now? Cordially, Erich S. Arendall "Have you noticed that no choir's related instrument is a kazoo? It's that way for a reason." Kyriotate of Destiny to a Reliever of Jordi. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:40:55 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Truth is stranger than fiction... >Hey everybody! Check out this bit of news: > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010712/od/gnomes_dc_2.html > >*That* is an adventure seed *begging* to be made. At a minimum, I think the >next Iron Rev needs to contain the word 'garden gnome'. I'd also vote the >word 'sock puppet' but 'disco' might be a better choice for this group based >on our last round of voting. > >Vaughn Believe it or not, it's been done. Check the digest archives for: From: "Genevieve Cogman" To: Subject: Re: IN> Come to think of it ... Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:44:22 +0100 This was pursuant to a discussion of the combat abilities of Kyriotates of Stone. I believe it was eventually ruled that they'd become dissonant if used as a missile weapon. %^) - -- William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:46:31 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture >By the way, seeing as how the archives are down for the time being, I >HOPE someone is collecting these.... Yes. Cutting and pasting them into a word document,though I think I missed Part 4. :-( Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> A controversial relic Some points enshrined in this relic: 1). Honor does not equal stupidity; 2). As Robert Adams once said, when push comes to shove a 'gentleman' fights with whatever weapons are at hand; 3). There is a moral difference between running someone through with a sword, and letting someone impale themselves on it as a consequence of their own consciously evil acts; and 4). If Baal was as half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd have never let himself get caught up in a rebellion against an omnipotent deity. The above applies only in regular Bright campaigns, of course: this item is pretty much pointless anywhere else. :) Moe "I think I've covered everything, there. If this won't work for your Baal and/or Laurence, well, so it goes" Lane Baal's Sword Baal is, these days, more of an assault rifle and napalm sort of Demon Prince, but he still carries a sword with him wherever he goes: in fact, he's carried the same sword now for over a century. The reason Baal carries such an archaic weapon is because he never knows when he might be suddenly called away for Armageddon: Baal is not going to want to waste even a millisecond of good dueling-to-the-death time. The reason why the Prince carries this particular one is because he knows that it must irk Heaven no end. You see, it used to be Laurence's. Baal has probably half-convinced himself by now that he took it from the Archangel himself, but that's, well, a lie. What he did do is win it off of Savaliel, one of Laurence's senior Generals: indeed, Baal was so pleased with the victory that he let the brave fool live and return to his Superior with a message. The Demon Prince of the War thinks it a delicious irony that a weapon that was once owned by the present Commander of the Host is to be used to kill the first Commander of the Host, come the Day. Laurence is welcome to try and take it away from him, any time he likes. That should keep the whelp nice and distracted: every little bit helps, after all. Laurence hasn't come for his sword yet; by now, Baal has stopped expecting him to, but he wears it anyway. Actually, the Prince doesn't even think about it much, anymore. Perfect. Frankly, Laurence never expected this harebrained scheme to work at all, let alone this long. Indeed, if it wasn't for the fact that General Savaliel and his sworn companion Major Nemamiah literally begged him, the Archangel would never have gone along with this plan. After all, it is no light matter to take a faithful (and fanatical) Servitor, transform him into a living artifact, then send him off into the ultimate of deep covers. The risk to an equally faithful and fanatical General was not inconsiderable, either, but the two Malakim's arguments were ultimately persuasive - - and it worked. Laurence even got his General back: he's now trying to work out the best way to get back his Colonel. Yes, it's true: Baal has had every action of his done over the last half-century witnessed by a silent angelic observer. Nemamiah has soaked up Baal's tactics, strategies, command style and even personality quirks like a sponge, endlessly categorizing and assessing the strengths and weaknesses of his 'owner'. Only a Malakite with specific oaths and iron-clad orders could have hoped to do this and remain sane: only the Archangel of the Sword could hope to create a relic that would obscure another Superior's perceptions in this one specific area. It should be obvious that part of the safeguards in the sword is that either the Archangel, or Nemamiah, will be able to break free at any time that either wills it. It helps, of course, that Nemamiah is purely a passive agent: he cannot communicate with or influence the outside world at all. Baal might - the key word here is 'might': this relic is Laurence's masterwork - detect the angel's presence, were he to look. Alas, the sin of Pride is so strong in the Prince that he could never take seriously the notion that the - what was the phrase? Oh, yes: 'sublimated Boy Scout' - could possibly fool him at all. No, make no comments about dishonorable behavior here. Both the Colonel and the General volunteered the notion and their services, even though it likely meant their deaths. Baal could have - should have, by Laurence's lights - simply returned the weapon; that he has chosen instead to try to use it as an instrument of wanton cruelty has shown his essential dishonor. Thus, it is only meet that his stolen weapon turn in his hand. This is a legitimate ruse of war: Laurence swore no oaths to protect Baal's feelings (or Michael's, for that matter). He did, however, swear before God to obey and serve Him, and, by extension, to defeat these traitors to Divine will. The Archangel of the Sword has examined his conscience and his sense of honor on this matter, and found it clean. The Archangel's only worry is the timing. Laurence is uncertain whether to get the sword back well before Armageddon, or just to wait until the very moment before the duel between Michael and Baal begins before releasing the Malakite from his observation post. Either way has its points: Nemamiah will be an amazing resource, once debriefed - but the shock to the Prince of the War will be greater if delayed until the last moment. Every little bit helps. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> A controversial relic Moe, you're just plain... what word covers both 'twisted' and 'brilliant' simultaneously? Dunno... but you're it. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! ::: Conspiracy religions CONvert, the Subgenius SUBverts! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:04:50 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Princes with no overriding Goals Has anyone ever thought that Belial might be one of those Prince's whose motto's is "Go, Play" It strikes me that with his dressing well, flame throwing, and so forth he may be part of the type of Demon prince who believes it is his nature to allow his children a "survival of the fittest" type scenario where they burn themselves out (literally speaking) causing mild cases of arson and starting riots etc until the time that they develop a taste for the bigger explosians... To Which Belial starts assigning them to Gun running, Terrorist cells, and other organizations which offer the talent culling process... When they get tired of that Belial allows them to feel out to make themselves rich, murderous, and dangerous with the war in Heaven supported by Demons who are perfectly content with their rolls..... Thus perhaps Belial with the possible exception of Baal and Kronos has the most competent demons in Hell? (The Demogorgon and Fufur both after all became Princes) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:20:13 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Truth is stranger than fiction... >>Hey everybody! Check out this bit of news: >> >>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010712/od/gnomes_dc_2.html >> >>*That* is an adventure seed *begging* to be made. At a minimum, I think the >>next Iron Rev needs to contain the word 'garden gnome'. I'd also vote the >>word 'sock puppet' but 'disco' might be a better choice for this group based >>on our last round of voting. >> >>Vaughn > >Believe it or not, it's been done. Check the digest archives for: > >From: "Genevieve Cogman" >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Come to think of it ... >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:44:22 +0100 > >This was pursuant to a discussion of the combat abilities of Kyriotates of >Stone. I believe it was eventually ruled that they'd become dissonant if >used as a missile weapon. %^) *blink* *blink* I just finished re-reading that thread. ^^ What I have of it, anyway. I signed onto the list during it...well, during the end of the Eli is Jesus/Jesus is Eli debate, but close enough. 0;-) Actually, the ruling was that they can be thrown at people without getting dissonant. They can also drop from high buildings onto people without getting dissonant. If a Malakite of Stone threw a Kyriotate of Stone in a garden gnome at someone, though, the Malakite would get dissonant. ^^ ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Those whom God would destroy, He first makes mad. Or, alternatively and perhaps more effectively, He first makes them sane. Aldous Huxley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire - --- "Krishnaswami, Neel" wrote: > > Belial, he's the Prince you want to use when you have an > elegant, > even brilliant plan that is as brutal as it is radiant > with diabolic > genius. He knows he's an evil mastermind, and he /likes/ > it: > > "Ah, an angel of Judgment. How charming. Shall we > play out the > scene where the evil mastermind shows off his art > collection while > his henchmen beat up the hero?" > > "No? Too bad. This is a Mondrian." > > "This is a Seurat." > > "This is my Kupka. How he divides space contrasts > nicely with the > unity of the Mondrian, don't you think?" > > > Blow things up: yes. Do it with verve, style, and > brilliance: > definitely. Do it in a way that angels grow white-hot > with hate and > swear eternal vengeance: is there any other way? Neel, I sooooo want to game with you... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire - --- Jonathan Walton wrote: > Y'know, that reminds me ... > > At one point, I did say that I was going to get Moe to > like > Belial. Good luck on that one. But here's my contribution to the cause. > THE TOP 10 THINGS MOE COULD DO WITH BELIAL > (hey, I'd do 101, but that's an awful lot, maybe you guys > can give me a > hand after the first few) 11. Burn every single M:tG deck in existence (CCG's lure people away from RPG's). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A controversial relic BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *Ahem.* I mean, nice artifact. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A controversial relic - --- "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > > Moe, you're just plain... what word covers both 'twisted' > and 'brilliant' > simultaneously? Dunno... but you're it. Wait, let me boot up the word generation subroutine... How about, "twilliant?" ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:33:13 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> A controversial relic That was thoroughly cruel, Moe. Good work! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:10:06 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2300 - -----Original Message----- From: in_nomine-digest To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2300 >> I can't even bring myself >> to /care/ one way or the other about Belial. I don't know how to use him in >> my games. He is said to not embrace the metaphorical concepts of his words >> to any great extent-- so what do his servitors do? Set fires? /All the time/? >> For dangerous savvy violence and villainy there's Baal. For destruction >> for destruction's sake I have Furfur and the entire band of Calabim. >Yes, but Furfur is NEW. He's taking over Belial's role - and quite >deliberately, as he hates the guy. > >So if you don't how to use Belial, have his minions rushing around >desperately trying to prove they aren't has-beens. if nothing else, Belial's >powerbase will have been fading as the fire-bombings of WWII & general >napalming of last century fade from peoples memory, so even if he doesn't >disappear completely, this is quite believable. Why would his powerbase be waning? There have been more conflicts all over the globe following the Vietnam War then ever; Isreal/Palestine, the IRA, Iran and Irak, the Balkans... Heck, the 90s alone must've given him some good Tethers. Oklahoma Bombing, anyone? >And an interesting clash to consider: > >the Word of Arson. Furfur will want it - a lot. Does the demon jump ship? >Get kidnapped? Killed? tricked into giving rites to Demons of Hardcore, who >threaten to use them against him unless he changes sides? Get assigned >guards by Belial so that he's secure/controlled? I'd say Belial takes the Demon aside and reminds him that the Word of Arson -Belongs- in service to Infernal Fire, and that He, the current holder of the word, -IS- replacable. Afterwards, the Demon of Arson tries not to associate too much with the Hardcores, except for the occasional Riots. ...On the other hand, I know that Heaven often has Angels of one Word being in service to another (Such as Angels of Fire in Service to War); would it be possible to have a similar arrangment in Hell? Maybe Belial assigns the Demon of Arson to work in service to Hardcore, as a way to distract Furfur while he subtily moves to seize something far more important, like a new tether. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:16 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Hi In article , emccoy@nh.ultranet.com (Elizabeth McCoy) wrote: > And there _are_ (almost certainly) some deep-cover celestials, > created for the Roles they are meant to have, who have mundane > names... (It also helps foil Mercurians.) Lilim get ecclectic > names, for instance, and other demons might be named whatever the > Princely creator wants. "John Smith," even... There /is/ a PC using this trick in Rhodri's campaign. There's also a converse trick, usually reserved for Belseraphs of Fate. If you can get some human servitors given demonic-sounding names, you have an alarm system for Seraphim of Destiny. Each servitor is one-use for this, but it's better than Trauma. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:31:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Hi At 8:16 PM +0100 7/13/01, John Dallman wrote: >In article , emccoy@nh.ultranet.com >(Elizabeth McCoy) wrote: >>[...] demons might be named whatever the >> Princely creator wants. "John Smith," even... > >There /is/ a PC using this trick in Rhodri's campaign. There's also a >converse trick, usually reserved for Belseraphs of Fate. If you can get >some human servitors given demonic-sounding names, [...] Hmmmm.... Role as a Priest. Balseraph (or whatever) your way into a nursery that doesn't practice Rooming In. Baptize all the kids with "celestial" names... Think it'd work? - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Hi - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Hmmmm.... Role as a Priest. Balseraph (or whatever) > your way into a > nursery that doesn't practice Rooming In. Baptize > all the kids with > "celestial" names... > > Think it'd work? Until Laurence and/or his troops caught you doing it, sure. Afterwards, well, you'd be too busy looking for your elbows to keep up the practice... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:48 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Hi In article , emccoy@nh.ultranet.com (Elizabeth McCoy) wrote: > Hmmmm.... Role as a Priest. Balseraph (or whatever) your way into a > nursery that doesn't practice Rooming In. Baptize all the kids with > "celestial" names... > > Think it'd work? I suspect that a baptismal name that was never otherwise used wouldn't take as a "true name", a marvellously undefined concept in IN. Rhodri has been clamping down on this concept, specifically to control our (ab)user of the Seraph of Yves attunment. Now, you get the name that the target thinks of as their name - and for Dame Eliza Higinbotham ffoukes- Chodmoley-ffoukes, you may well get "Bessie". - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hi - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Hmmmm.... Role as a Priest. Balseraph (or whatever) your > way into a > nursery that doesn't practice Rooming In. Baptize all the > kids with > "celestial" names... > > Think it'd work? Not in an Islamic country. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:15:26 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom Jean: Theres no doubt about it. Jordi: It is God's will! Marc: We can't just let it hit! Michael: Interfering in humanity's destiny like this is not our concern. *** Saminga: Happy Magic Elf pants dance! Belial: Oh please by Lucifer's black beard don't do that! Andre: STOP IT YOU FOOLS! Kronos: If it is humanity's fate it is humanity's fate *** Armageddon is not the only situation that Heaven and Hell have evenly divided on now. A plain ordinary natural disaster in the form of a rogue comet is spiralling towards the Earth and will confirmably hit the planet in just alitte bit celestially speaking. Heaven is not sure that this is divine judgement on the Earth or not and Hell is split between those who love the world and want to see carnage and chaos reign on the Earth anew. There is a relatively strong chance that this won't wipe out all life but simply reduce life back to a primordial state and end civilization as we know it (oh is that all) which actually has Jordi fully supporting the measure much to Novalis's horror (and secret ambivalence). Reactions are immensley divided with David fully content to let the comet smash the earth mightily but making preparations to promote human survival through tunneling under the Earth and arming themselves, Jean feeding analysts as much data as he can even as Vapula feeds them as many crackpot theories as he can as well, Nybbas is covering this with the same kind of horror he shows people watching car wrecks...it's a story but it's perhaps his LAST story...with the media gone far too many enemies will want to use him as a shower mate if he isn't completely eradicated, Saminga and Beleth have made a private pact to gaurd the meteorite from interference even as Jordi is approaching it from much the same measures with wolves and other creatures prowling around missle silos in increasing numbers.... The question now is...where do the PC's stand? - -Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:21:29 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom From: "Charles Phipps" > > Saminga: Happy Magic Elf pants dance! Charles, that was just *WRONG*! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:21:29 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom From: "Charles Phipps" > > Saminga: Happy Magic Elf pants dance! Charles, that was just *WRONG*! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:37:44 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer >Belial I've always thought was in effect a pyro-maniac but he recognized he >was not Saminga and that if humanity was going to KEEP setting fires then it >would had to keep existing. Belial in my mind was always the man who wanted >to destroy and that was the goal for it's own sake but it was 1984 "HATE IS >AS EVER LASTING AS LOVE" type of destruction. He wants a nuclear war but he >wants millions of survivors killing each other and eventually rebuilding so >they can nuke each other again. He wants a war like in 1984-a war that never >ends with equal numbers of births and deaths for all eternity. >Belial is working to his world of burning flames and doom but he's very >patient and ENJOYING every minute of it til then. Savoring Gabirle's madness >even as he looks at Baal and Saminga and gloats....who is manipulating who? One other point to keep in mind with Belial; if Word Friction is maddening Gabriel so, what might the effects on him be? I suppose he *might* be better off because his interpretation is "winning" somewhat, but I doubt he can be entirely escaping the effects. Hmm, here's a thought; a lot of Gabriel's madness might to a certain extent be characterized as resembling Infernal Fire (chaos, destruction for destruction's sake, etc., abeit mediated by Gabriel's own angelic nature and Word to something less evil), maybe Belial occasionally shows characteristics of Divine Fire? Might be kind of amusing if Belial occasionally vaporizes his own servitors for their "cruelty", or even more amusing if prophecy suddenly started spouting from his lips... (not to mention an intriguing game seed). Actually that's kind of an interesting take on Word Friction in general, if the divine and infernal Word holders occasionally take on each other's characteristics. Maybe the reason two angels can share the Word of Final Judgement is because they are so close to each other that they can stand taking on the thoughts and characteristics of the other. What do you think, sirs? - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom I really can't see Zadkiel taking this lying down, no matter what the rest of the Council says. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer - --- Mike Bruner wrote: > Actually that's > kind of an interesting take on Word Friction in general, > if the divine and > infernal Word holders occasionally take on each other's > characteristics. > Maybe the reason two angels can share the Word of Final > Judgement is > because they are so close to each other that they can > stand taking on the > thoughts and characteristics of the other. What do you > think, sirs? Absolutely brilliant, that. It neatly explains why two demons can't share a Word; none of them are selfless enough to pull it off. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer - --- Mike Bruner wrote: > maybe Belial occasionally shows characteristics of > Divine Fire? I've thought about that, too - of course, I had him handle it by wrapping said impulses around a clump of Forces and expelling it as a minor-Band demon. Eric Burns touched Belial and Word-friction too, during his Lilith, Queen of Hell saga*. Indeed, he was almost as mean to Belial as I normally would be... :) Moe *Insert usual anguished begging for people to update their webpages. _My_ next update is coming up in a few days, thankyouverymuch - and I fragging *moved*. No excuses, people, no excuses. ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:31:35 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Word Friction On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:25:53 -0600 "Chris Holland" writes: > > Actually, Michael is "War" and Baal is "The War." Slight > >difference which is probably why they aren't crazed right now. > > Word wise, I guess that does make sense. There were some interesting theories some time ago on the list that proposed the reason THE War is 'cold' is due to Baal's secret intervention. If the War ends, so does he, after all, whereas Michael's Word represents conflict in all forms and so is continued by just about anything. War, tournament of arms, or game of football (either sort), it all helps Michael. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:28:24 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Ahriman Just a thought, that will no doubt get lost in the lists activity, but i hope some one sees it and responds as im a little fish in the big pond and a post not so often at all.. Has any body written Ahriman up as a demon prince? Seeing as he is one of the many names of the -dark- opposer entity. He is in myth seen as satan/lucifer and such like, but this is often due to poor translation by scholars. Has any body written him up? If so, could you point me in the direction of the write up, if not then would you all mind if i was to do a write up on him? Toodles Hope to hear from some body soon... Cass http://communities.msn.co.uk/ADD http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:55:54 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Word Friction >> > Actually, Michael is "War" and Baal is "The War." Slight >> >difference which is probably why they aren't crazed right now. >> >> Word wise, I guess that does make sense. > > There were some interesting theories some time ago on the list that >proposed the reason THE War is 'cold' is due to Baal's secret >intervention. >If the War ends, so does he, after all, whereas Michael's Word represents >conflict in all forms and so is continued by just about anything. War, >tournament of arms, or game of football (either sort), it all helps Michael. Not to mention even if Michael was ended if Hell was defeated, he'd consider that a small price to pay anyway (selflessness; it's a virtue :)). Oh, and regarding Baal needing the war between Heaven and Hell to continue, I also noted during that discussion that Asmodeus was pretty much in the same boat if Hell won (if Hell wins, what rallying cause can he persecute "traitors" to, and what do you play when the greatest game is ended?), and thought it was interesting that the two Demon Princes Lucifer has entrusted the organization of Hell's war effort to would have absolutely no interest in seeing it through to its conclusion due to the Words he granted them. So what could have been his purpose in doing things that way?... :) - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2301 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.