From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Jul 15 09:06:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08651 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:06:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id JAA10757 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:05:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:05:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200107151405.JAA10757@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2302 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, July 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2302 In this digest: Re: Fwd: RE: IN> World of Darkness/In Nomine crossover pt 1 IN> Baal and The War IN> Consider the Lord of Fire IN> Re: Belial IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny attunement IN> Re: A controversial Relic. Re: IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny attunement Re: IN> Consider the Lord of Fire IN> Ahrimane Re: IN> Ahrimane IN> Blues Brothers IN> Jangling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:42:07 -0400 From: Kirt Dankmyer Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: IN> World of Darkness/In Nomine crossover pt 1 Every time I think of this sort of thing, I have this image of a Seraph of Fire with the Malakim attunement bumping into your typical manipulative Kindred... The Seraph's eyes widen. "You are cruel... and you benefit from that cruelty..." The Kindred eyes the Seraph warily, thinking it's a Malkavian. "I don't know what you mean. I'm not crueller than..." "You LIE!" screams the Seraph, as its hands turn into green flame. The biggest problem I see with an In Nomine/WoD crossover is Gabriel's people would be very, very busy... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:44:53 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Baal and The War On the contrary I think your not recognizing Lucifer's innate Cruelty to Baal. Baal has the absolute worst word for his fanatical mind and a word that at his heart he wants destroyed more than anything else. Every single *SECOND* of the War Baal recognizes that he is living another second in the cold, disgusting, hideous confines of Gehenna where he and his fellow demons were banished for the crime of... FAILURE Baal isn't in his balseraph mind the Demon prince of the War, Baal is the ARCHANGEL of Valor and always will be. Even before Michael had the word of the War Baal had his Word and BAAL WANTS IT BACK (Master of Valor!? YOU @^@*@*@&!). Baal wants this war over asap because it means he'll be able to resume his place as master of the Word of Valor and perhaps take command of the Heavengly Host once Michael is defeated. That's why he hated Laurence....Uriel he could understand but this boy...had...HIS job? David he could respect, Janus, but a NEOPHYTE!? Isn't the job important anymore (Baal needs honors to prove himself and Lucifer's honors mean nothing...he measures himself by destroying those whom GOD has honored) The War burns in Baal's mind and is very sum of being because he wants to bring it to a close and very fast....such is the nature of the War, two sides burning for victory but he's STILL fighting to a draw...oh yes he'll win someday because the alternative is unthinable... Living here... among the damned. forever. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:04:53 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Consider the Lord of Fire Mind if I smoke? Hehehe Long ago I held a very important position in the service of the Archangel of Fire's service....the Archangel now known as "That crazy @@&@.". I recognized however something which he and later she has essentially denied....that fire as a creation was not meant to be an inspiration or a messanger. A volcano when it destroys gives more good by eradicating civilizations, trees, and in general everything within a few miles distance than a prophecy or religeon. Islands, fertilized soil, and cleared away dead wood from the humans who were willing to risk Darwin by parking their keisters collectively near a volcano. It's an even trade off all things; with large sections of meat being destroyed and pathogens to make it edible for the next to highest predator after demons to the destruction of certain parts of cells in your body in order to warm the rest of it. What people don't seem to quite understand is that I am not Saminga, I am not Baal, nor am I Makatiel or Mariel or Legion. I don't want to destroy the world or see the human race ground into dust....I'm quite happy letting them roast in the fiery pits of Sheol those mortals who truly UNDERSTAND that fire is the great purifier of the world. I don't want to sound Habbalah on you, I'm well aware God is a ^@&@^#^ after all, but I have a morality that recognizes for everything that I tear down there is merely something new that arises beside it that itself has to be torn down to make way for the new. Would you like to know a secret? The really awful secret that everyone doesn't want to believe about Belial? The reason Gabriel is going mad is because I've taken over punishing the cruel for her. Look at each of those snivelling six billion little peons living in their wooden houses or concrete but still flammable material filled apartments each thinking that God absolutely loves their stinking little heads off. Yes God does...but God is a moron so what do you expect? Every day though Little Timmy the Angel goes to school however and after he kisses his mom he talks about Little Cyndi whose just got breasts and calls her a slut just to get a few moments of chuckle from his followers. Mommy isn't supporting Daddy enough and berates him for the alchohal he drinks which is in part because she's a nagging little....enough of that. That is what is driving Gabriel mad you see.... MY *RIGHTEOUS* ANGER! I judge these humans Cruel! Cruel to each other! Cruel to themselves! Cruel to the Animals which are as cruel as any other! I judge the buildings to be cruel! The Alleys! The very air that is breathed on and the nature around them as Cruelty by God to a race that knows it is undeserving of the blessings it is being cruelly heaped! I AM THE DEMON PRINCE OF FIRE BECAUSE ONLY I CAN DO THE JOB OF THE WORD OF FIRE PROPERLY! EVERYTHING MUST BURN BECAUSE IT IS ALL CRUEL! I AM FLAME AND IT WILL SUFFER FOREVER THE DESTRUCTION THAT IS MY RELEASE OF MY ENERGY ON AN UNWORTHY WORLD! HOW DARE THAT WHORE IGNORE THE CRUELTIES OF EVERY ONE BUT ONLY THOSE WHO BREAK HER DECADENT LOOSE STANDARDS WHILE SHE DOES NOTHING! WHO IS SHE TO IGNORE WHAT EVEN I THE PRINCE OF TRAITORS CAN SEE WITH MY OWN EYES!? Excuse me I need to go set a forrest fire and bathe in the delightful glow of a suicide bomber.....ahhhhhhh yessssss goood. I'm calm now. That's basically me in a nutshell, do you understand me now? - -Charlemagne Comments? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:20:19 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Belial >>So if you don't how to use Belial, have his minions rushing around >>desperately trying to prove they aren't has-beens. if nothing else, > Belial's >>powerbase will have been fading as the fire-bombings of WWII & general >>napalming of last century fade from peoples memory, so even if he doesn't >>disappear completely, this is quite believable. > > Why would his powerbase be waning? There have been more conflicts all over > the globe following the Vietnam War then ever; Isreal/Palestine, the IRA, > Iran and Irak, the Balkans... So? Baal will be happy, but how does this help Belial? None of these involve flame; gas is the immediate thought for a tether caused by the Iran/Iraq war; sure explosions are part of Belial's Word, but they're not central. Flame is not the terror weapon of choice; it's not one of the NBC trio of 'strategic' weapons; even flamethrowers are rare. > Heck, the 90s alone must've given him some good Tethers. Oklahoma Bombing, > anyone? Compared to, say, Dresden? Tokyo? Coventry? London? Bear in mind that nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed fewer people, both absolutely and proportionally, than the fire-bombing raids. And they're over. The sheer carnage has actually backfired, because there weren't any witnesses - everyone died. No more 'necklace burnings' in South Africa. And so on. There isn't anything that is obviously 'Fire' as opposed to 'The War' or 'Technology'. It looks like Heaven IS successfully eliminating the 'Fire problem'. >>And an interesting clash to consider: >> >>the Word of Arson. Furfur will want it - a lot. Does the demon jump ship? >>Get kidnapped? Killed? tricked into giving rites to Demons of Hardcore, who >>threaten to use them against him unless he changes sides? Get assigned >>guards by Belial so that he's secure/controlled? > > I'd say Belial takes the Demon aside and reminds him that the Word of > Arson -Belongs- in service to Infernal Fire, and that He, the current holder > of the word, -IS- replacable. So was Furfur. If the Demon of Arson realises that Belial is concerned about treachery, then he's more likely to jump ship, to avoid being purged. > ...On the other hand, I know that Heaven often has Angels of one Word being > in service to another (Such as Angels of Fire in Service to War); would it > be possible to have a similar arrangment in Hell? Yes, but unlikely here, as Belial & Furfur hate each others guts. James. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:25:05 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny attunement > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3077979905_126396_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Beth wrote: > Hmmmm.... Role as a Priest. Balseraph (or whatever) your way into a > nursery that doesn't practice Rooming In. Baptize all the kids with > "celestial" names... > > Think it'd work? Probably. After all, the goal is to have human 'ping' as demonic, and the children have been demonically influenced... Another way: in most of the 'modern' world, your true name is the one on your birth certificate; yet surprisingly few people check what's on it. A creative Bal-Kyrio should be able to have a field day with new parents filling in the forms; take them over while filling in the forms, lie to them that the reason they cannot remember filling in the forms is that they'd had a few too many celebration drinks - that way even if the children find out later, it will all end badly for the parents. Moe wrote: > Until Laurence and/or his troops caught you doing it, > sure. The children won't hit the school system for 5 years, and it's incredibly unlikely that they'll be detected before then. That's plenty of time to wreak havoc. Then move to another posting. John Dallman wrote: > I suspect that a baptismal name that was never otherwise used wouldn't > take as a "true name", a marvellously undefined concept in IN. It is described, actually - it's whatever is in Yves' book of Names. That may be the name you are Destined to have, but given how the Library works, it's just as likely to be the one which is written done formally. Names can be incredibly embarrassing. Large numbers of guys in South America are baptised Jesus Christ, just as we're often named after saints. Causes major headaches when they emigrate. BTW, am I the only one remembering the names being suggested in Good Omens? James. - --MS_Mac_OE_3077979905_126396_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Seraph of Destiny attunement Beth wrote:
> Hmmmm....  Role as a Priest. Balseraph (or whatever) your way int= o a
> nursery that doesn't practice Rooming In. Baptize all the kids with > "celestial" names...
>
> Think it'd work?
Probably. After all, the goal is to have human 'ping' as demonic, and the children have been demonically influenced...

Another way: in most of the 'modern' world, your true name is the one on your birth certificate; yet surprisingly few people check what's on it. A creative Bal-Kyrio should be able to have a field day with new parents
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that the reason they cannot remember filling in the forms is that they'd ha= d
a few too many celebration drinks - that way even if the children find out<= BR> later, it will all end badly for the parents.

Moe wrote:
> Until Laurence and/or his troops caught you doing it,
> sure.
The children won't hit the school system for 5 years, and it's incredibly unlikely that they'll be detected before then. That's plenty of time to
wreak havoc. Then move to another posting.

John Dallman wrote:
> I suspect that a baptismal name that was never otherwise used wou= ldn't
> take as a "true name", a marvellously undefined concept in I= N.
It is described, actually - it's whatever is in Yves' book of Names. That m= ay be the name you
are Destined to have, but given how the Library works, it's just as likely = to be the one which is written done formally.


Names can be incredibly embarrassing. Large numbers of guys in South Americ= a
are baptised Jesus Christ, just as we're often named after saints. Causes major headaches when they emigrate.


BTW, am I the only one remembering the names being suggested in Good Omens?=

James. - --MS_Mac_OE_3077979905_126396_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:56:12 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: A controversial Relic. - ---------- >From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) >To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com >Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2301 >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 2:54 PM > > Moe, you're just plain... what word covers both 'twisted' and 'brilliant' > simultaneously? Dunno... but you're it. > The word you're looking for is, of course: 'Moelane'. Moe, one word - chortle. well done....again.... James. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:01:03 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny attunement james walker wrote: > Another way: in most of the 'modern' world, your true name is the one > on > your birth certificate; yet surprisingly few people check what's on > it. A > creative Bal-Kyrio should be able to have a field day with new parents > filling in the forms; take them over while filling in the forms, lie > to them > that the reason they cannot remember filling in the forms is that > they'd had > a few too many celebration drinks - that way even if the children find > out > later, it will all end badly for the parents. End badly for the possession victim. Mm, is that Kyriotate (or Bal-Kyriotate) dissonance I hear? - -- Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:28:41 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Consider the Lord of Fire > Comments? Yep. I did "Consider the Inferno" when the thread was active. Hopefully, you'll get a response. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:11:50 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Ahrimane Ahrimane I really use as a name for Lucifer in my campaign just like Satan, Lucifer, and etc are named for him... However in my campaign there WAS once a Demon Prince of Chaos known as Ahrimane whose essential nature was that of a Habbalah who appeared as a beautiful angel of powerful strength and great purpose. Ahrimane's beliefs were that as the gaurdian of Hell it was his duty to punish humanity for their sins even as he prepared for the day that all of Hell's damned would rise up and ascend to heaven as Lucifer the Dualistic evil was destroyed. Until then he had to lead evil to destroy itself in order so it would not promote corruption of the good (Habbalah...eh) Ahrimane was allied with Lilith and Malphas and an enemy of Asmodeus. Eventually Ahrimane lost himself in his delusion of the chaos of the destruction of the Persian Empire and believed that Heaven had been weakened substantially by the installment of a pagan ruler that he had to rise up and replace Lucifer lest the man's incompetance lose the war to the forces that were not of the Two Great Gods. Ahrimane was of course destroyed and his principality was flooded with volcanic activity and destruction with his death. Belial proceeded then to take full command of the Sheol and has ruled from there since. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:09:21 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Ahrimane Ahrimane I really use as a name for Lucifer in my campaign just like Satan, Lucifer, and etc are named for him...However in my campaign there WAS once a Demon Prince of Chaos >-Charlemagne > I like this idea as an addition a game. The DP of Chaos could be a very useful speading chaos around to both sides of the War. In some ways he could be the Starscream to Lucifer's Megatron. Sorry, Transformer reference, what I mean to say, he can be used as the one DP who acutally believes or is working on taking over and not have his highest goal as being #2. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:17:50 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Blues Brothers Okay we know they're soldiers of God.... But which Superior? And was Nybbas or a well meaning David responsible for the sequel? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:03:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Jangling This got spawned by the last game session I was in, actually. If only I had kept a hold on that blipping Fiery Sword (although, upon reflection, I was playing somebody else's character at the time*)... ;) Moe *Don't ask. Oh, and Eric? Don't breathe that sigh of relief yet. I've had a week to come up with stuff: blowing up the Mercurian of Flower's Fiery Sword** was the _soft_ option... ;) **Again, don't ask. It's perfectly reasonable, in context. :) Jangling "Anything capable of storing and/or emitting energy can be made to explode." - Mike's Maxims for Maximizing Military Mayhem (Malakite) This is not a relic: it's more like a method for using relics in a way not intended by their creators. Well, it's exactly like that, actually: specifically, it's a method of shorting out a relic and/or reliquary so that all the Essence is released at once. This will result in an explosion - but then, that's the idea. Jangling an artifact is not an automatic task: it requires a little time to work, a couple bits of wire - - and a Precision roll. Modifiers to the roll: Fragility of the Artifact Modifier Easy to Destroy No roll needed Fragile +2 Typical ` no modifier Tough -2 Very Tough -4 Extremely Tough -6 Unbreakable impossible Celestial has Enchantment skill +level of skill Use the CD on a successful roll to determine how many turns before the artifact will explode: an unfavorable Intervention indicates that the artifact explodes immediately. Damage done by a Jangled artifact is equal to the amount of Essence currently in the artifact, times CD of the Jangling roll (minimum 1): range on the corporeal plane is equal to (level of the artifact) x (CD of the Jangling roll), in yards. The type of damage is the same as the plane in which the explosion occurs. Jangling is one of those things that's not precisely taught, per se: it's not precisely cost-effective, under normal circumstances, and the practice makes most artificers grind their teeth. Still, when you're camped right outside of Beleth's Tower, with half of Hell coming up to say hello, and there's not much chance to drain the Fiery Sword before they kill you, well ... you might as well go out with a bang. Also, it should be noted that Jangling is not forbidden, either: after all, what precisely is Heaven going to do with a captured Coffin of Undead, anyway? Use it for an ornamental planter? ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2302 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.