From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Jul 16 09:36:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05297 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:36:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id JAA08100 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:35:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:35:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200107161435.JAA08100@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2303 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, July 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2303 In this digest: IN> Mike's Maxims for Maximising Military Mayhem Re: IN> Blues Brothers IN> Belial IN> Adventure Seed: Eden relic Re: IN> Adventure Seed: Eden relic IN> Relic: Coat of Concealment Re: IN> Word Friction Re: IN> A controversial relic Re: IN> Hi Re: IN> Ahriman Re: IN> Consider the Lord of Fire Re: IN> Blues Brothers Re: IN> A controversial relic Re: IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny Re: IN> Relic: Coat of Concealment IN> Re: Serpah of Destiny. IN> Re: Belial. Re: IN> Adventure Seed: Kronos's crucible Re: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Mike's Maxims for Maximising Military Mayhem Sort of a sidebar to the previous post. :) Moe Mike's Maxims for Maximizing Military Mayhem (With apologies to Larry Niven) Seraphim: "Truth can rip the heart out of an opposing force just as well as a physical weapon. Of course, physical weapons work better on tanks, so bring along a good supply of both." Cherubim: "The best defense is not a good offense. The best defense is a terrifyingly accurate and devastatingly powerful offense, with multiply-overlapping kill zones and time-on-target artillery strikes." Ofanim: "A reaction drive is a weapon, with its efficiency as a weapon directly proportional to its efficiency as a drive." Elohim: "A little force in the right place can topple a city. So will a lot of force in the right place: it rarely hurts to kick a little harder than necessary." Malakim: "Anything capable of storing and/or emitting energy can be made to explode." Kyriotates: "*Always* push the big, red, candy-like button. *Never* obey signs that forbid you to push this, turn that, or remove those." Mercurians: "If somebody thought that it was worthwhile to guard a particular object, item or place, rest assured that it will be worthwhile for you to blow it up." ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:47:26 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> Blues Brothers Charles Phipps wrote: > > Okay we know they're soldiers of God.... > > But which Superior? Well the obvious choice would be Janus. But I am going for obscurity. So, I would say that that Jake is a Soldier of Protection and Elwood is a soldier of Creation (with a copy of "The Malakims' Guide to Using Spray-On Glue"). The Bluesmobile, however, is a Living artifact what reached it's Destiny by the end of the movie. And it is clearly in service to divine Wind. > And was Nybbas or a well meaning David responsible for the sequel? Personally, I would submit that it may have been Eli, (perhaps on an off day). But who else could manage to assemble that much musical talent, and get them working together? Plot? Who needs a plot? Note, for the record, that I actually kind of liked the sequel, though it was not without flaws (which can be discussed off list). Therefore, my bias is apparent. -Daiv, Tech writer in service to Coffee, still searching for a Superior. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:11:24 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Belial >So? Baal will be happy, but how does this help Belial? None of these involve >flame; gas is the immediate thought for a tether caused by the Iran/Iraq >war; sure explosions are part of Belial's Word, but they're not central. Yes indeed. There is also.... * The Burning of the California forest which people thought which trigger a nuclear explosian. Is there any doubt Belial was just sitting back and smiling about that one? * Countless acts of fires that occur routinely do to accident and poor fire care around the home * The boat that blew up a United States battleship.... * The burning of southern churchs just a few years ago in a string of arsons commited as part of race hatred It's cruel and it's fire...of course Belial was involved. * The terror of a Pakistani/India Nuclear conflict....the weapons don't have to go off on people to be massively helpful to Belial's word * the Continued slash and burning of the Rain Forrest... > Flame is not the terror weapon of choice; it's not one of the NBC trio of >'strategic' weapons; even flamethrowers are rare. Napalm, Flamethrowers, Nuclear Tank Shells, Torches, Greek Fire, Atomic Weapons.... Belial is a creature which lives with the times. >Compared to, say, Dresden? Tokyo? Coventry? London? >Bear in mind that nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed fewer people, both >absolutely and proportionally, than the fire-bombing raids. Indeed so. Still both helped Belial proportionately. >And they're over. The sheer carnage has actually backfired, because there >weren't any witnesses - everyone died. I rule that Words benifit not from their effect on corporeal conciousness (that is Mage the Ascension) but the ammount of energy released due to it's nature be it fear, destruction, or memory. >No more 'necklace burnings' in South Africa. And so on. Yes and coinicidentally as that dies down thus goes up the conflict in Israel. >There isn't anything that is obviously 'Fire' as opposed to 'The War' or >'Technology'. The War doesn't benefit from armed conflict between humans. It only benifits in my opinion from human beings who conciously believe they are engauging in a battle between good, evil with heavenly and hellish mandate....and of course all movements from Archangels and Demon princes which assure this is actually true. Vapula and Belial however benifit from fire when nuclear tests are exploded... And when somebody sets an orphanage on Fire Belial and Saminga both smile.... Who says people in Hell can't cooperate? >It looks like Heaven IS successfully eliminating the 'Fire problem'. I don't honestly see how. I doubt fire was much more of a threat or any less when the Assyrians were in Palestine. To my knowledge fire has never been the signature weapon of a culture.... From witch burnings to the burning buddhists to today's suicide bombers Belial will always be a Major prince because Fire is an elemental natural tool of humanity. It will never be the focus of their lives but it will always be present in enough amounts Belial is content with....save when people like Fufur and the Demogorgon risk his position. I think one of the main problems is Gabriel is actively refusing essence from fire's destruction in order to seperate herself from Belial's twisted mindset - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:32:20 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Adventure Seed: Eden relic Casefile 97323294 - 7482479472482798- 473847874847847 - 783748 - 748748 - 47937 - 4147 - 38478 -2937489- 12738- 947329 - ABZGHWYZ Yves has requested from the character's superiors for them to do a check up on Eden, Eden being that wonderful Garden Novalis tended which has more or less remained completely hidden from the rest of humanity in the land of present day Iran. It's flaming sword wielding cherub will of course let them in but the problem Yves is letting them check on is a bit steeper than usual...one of the Compys (theres Dinosaurs and Dodos in Eden of course) was digging in the garden's remains and discovered human bones which it presented to said flame sword wielding cherub and thus parcipitated the investigation team sent by Yves. Examination by Seraphim of Destiny and substantiation by servitors of Revelation have led to proof positive that the bones are human, female, and the remains of one subject named Lilith. The bones appear to have been resting in the Garden for approximately 23,000 years with the natural anti-decaying process of the Garden and the sturdy nature of the human designed by God to have held it together longer than would be presently believed natural. Unfortunately the case becomes more disturbing with the fact that said DOA is apparently the victem of a homicide with her neck broken by a Seraphim's tail and impersonation....one demon princess of said Name having been seen in the period since she's been missing. It's up to the players to form an angelic Dragnet for finding out just what's going on here...is this humble human's corpse actually the remanent of the wife of noted Angelic benefactor and now remarried Saint Adam? If so is it possible that the man had something to do with his wife's dissapearence? Convicted fellons Baal and Lucifer remain prime suspects as the seraphim who might have been responsible for this atrocious deed but Lilith was known as a woman with a wandering eye...it's possible one of her lovers or so called friends among the present day Seraphim didn't take kindly to her leaving her position as Adam's wife as set up by their employee one man God, God has an allibi though so you can mark him off. Someone who really needs questioning is the woman currently going by the name Lilith? Is she aware that she may not be said wife of Adam...force stripping and manipulation of young relievers is not unknown in this sad sick world or is she and is the whole idea that she was some kindly dame who wanted to choose freedom so much smoke. Either way the truth will seriously effect her standing in Hell....if it's a fake relic though make sure you find out the culprits on either side of the war whether Kobal the Fixer, Eli the Stoner, David the Bouncer, or perhaps A. Smodeus known for his crimminal connections and dislike of Lilith. Just remember to change the names to protect the innocent. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:09:36 -0300 From: pbarkow@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: IN> Adventure Seed: Eden relic On 15 Jul 01, at 14:32, Charles Phipps wrote: There's also the possibility that it is Lillith's coporeal reamins that they've discovered. Corporeal death isn't necessarily the end of the game after all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:46:48 -0500 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: IN> Relic: Coat of Concealment I was fiddling around with a character idea, and ended up wanting to create a new artifact for the fellow. Please, let me know what you think -- I'm especially concerned about the cost/game balance ratio. Comments, critique, praise, donations all appreciated. Coat of Concealment It's hard to say who came up with this relic first, Janus or Valefor. Either way, the item is becoming common amongst the servitors of both. The Coats come in many forms, tailored to their wearer, but the properties of each are the same. A Coat of Concealment contains especially deep pockets. Impossibly deep, actually. A wearer of a Coat can slip anything into his/her pocket, provided the item can fit through the seam of the pocket itself, and the item will simply "vanish." If the jacket, or any of the pockets are destroyed, all the items are lost. Recovery of an item from the pocket is as simple as the wearer placing their hand into any of the pockets, a mental thought of the item and an expenditure of 1 Essence. Note, that for the Coat's properties to work it must be worn, otherwise the pockets function like those of an ordinary jacket. The only exception to this rule is if the Coat of Concealment is completely upside-down, in which case the entire contents of the Coat will spill from the pockets, sometimes to the suprise of those holding the jacket. COST: 5 points per 10 pounds of capacity. ACTIVATION: 1 Essence to retrieve item safely and immediately, none to empty pockets of entire contents. Cordially, Erich S. Arendall "No, no! That's a fish! I wanna flash!" Chico Marx to Harpo Marx, Animal Crackers ...Why yes, this idea was inspired by Harpo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:29:40 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Word Friction On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:55:54 -0400 Mike Bruner writes: > ended?), and > thought it was interesting that the two Demon Princes Lucifer has > entrusted > the organization of Hell's war effort to would have absolutely no > interest > in seeing it through to its conclusion due to the Words he granted > them. So > what could have been his purpose in doing things that way?... :) I figure that Lucifer might be using the same reasoning another Lucifer did in Heinlein's _Job_; when it's pre-ordained that you'll lose the big fight, why bother showing up? _Job_'s Lucifer handled it by simply telling his angels (yeah, angels, not demons - that universe was a bit different) not to bother. IN's Lucifer doesn't have that as an option, so instead he cunningly sets his 'war' up as a delaying action of indefinite duration. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:18:32 -0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> A controversial relic This is wonderful. I'm sure I've mentioned this before, Moe, but I really like the way you write about Laurence. The idea that good=stupid and honorable=really stupid is one that seems to show up a lot in RPGs. The most common example of this is to assume that paladins have to be dumber than dirt. Since I believe the original D&D paladins (not the ones in the *Song of Roland*) were patterned after Aragorn, whose worst enemy never thought he was stupid, I don't see why this is so prevalent. Perhaps it's the influence of the "Dudley Do-Right" cartoon series. Michael is a better fighter and strategist than Laurence because he's a) Michael and b) much older and more experienced. *Not,* in my opinion, because Laurence a) has a stricter code of honor than Michael and b) is therefore not as smart. Now, the question is, does Michael know about this? Laurence is too honorable to brag, but if Michael happened to notice the absence of the two Malakim and ask about them ... talk about making Michael's day; this would make his *millennium.* And since Michael is not the sort of person who'd hold back praise when someone did something Brilliant, it would probably make Laurence's millennium too. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:04:34 +0100 From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Hi In article , John Dallman wrote: > I suspect that a baptismal name that was never otherwise used wouldn't > take as a "true name", a marvellously undefined concept in IN. Rhodri > has been clamping down on this concept, specifically to control our > (ab)user of the Seraph of Yves attunment. Now, you get the name that > the target thinks of as their name - and for Dame Eliza Higinbotham > ffoukes- Chodmoley-ffoukes, you may well get "Bessie". No, no, you'd get Eliza. Probably. The Higginbotham ffoulkes-Cholomondley-ffoulkes bit is just a description of her lineage (or not), "Eliza" is her True Name. Unless she changed her name at some point of course. To make matters worse, I really ought to be back-translating everything so that what comes out over the Seraph attunement is actually "Beloved of God" or whatever. Unfortunately I'm too lazy to do that, never mind the fact that my celestial names are usually invented on the spur of the moment purely to sound right rather than mean anything. - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ahriman - --- cassandra benner wrote: > Has any body written Ahriman up as a demon prince? > would you all mind if i was to do a write up on him? No one has done it AFAIK. Even if someone had, I'd still be interested in seeing your take on him. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Consider the Lord of Fire - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > The reason Gabriel is going mad is because I've taken > over punishing the cruel for her. Wow. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:28:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Blues Brothers - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Okay we know they're soldiers of God.... > But which Superior? Let's see... fast cars, rampant chaos and constant shaking up of the status quo. Has a certain Ofanite's fingerprints all over it. > And was Nybbas or a well meaning David responsible for > the sequel? As bad as it was? That was Nybbas for sure. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> A controversial relic - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > This is wonderful. > > I'm sure I've mentioned this before, Moe, but I > really like the way you > write about Laurence. Well, I go through these phases. Tomorrow I might decide to start exploring his feminine side - or, worse, Jean's. You never know, with me. :) > Now, the question is, does Michael know about this? Nope. I'm thinking Laurence doesn't have a very high opinion of Baal's reasoning abilities - as a Malakite soldier contemplating a Balseraphic psychotic warrior type, he wouldn't - but the AA does recognize that the Prince has _some_ skill in reading the equivalent of Michael's body/facial reactions. Probably, the AA of War wouldn't give anything away, but why take the chance? Personal gratification is all very nice, but it mustn't get in the way of the War. Besides, the pleased look on _Mike's_ face will be all the better, come the Day... Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:53:58 -0000 From: "A C" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny Thanks for all ! You enlightened me (Celestial speaking :)) ! Very useful to read your comment/experiences ! I'll inform my player. Bye, Grey :) >From: "james walker" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:31:12 +1100 > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I'm new in your list and I'm not sure I'm doing things well. > > I'm a master in In Nomine Campaign (of course ! :)). I play in Italy. > > I'm with a little "dilemma" with a player of mine. He plays a Serpah of > > Destiny. In the Angelic Player Guide it seems that Yves' Seraph is able >to > > detect true name of Celestial when Seraph touches it. What do you think > > about ? Somebody could help me ? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Bye,Grey >G'day Grey. Yes, he can, but so what? A Celestials' true name doesn't have >to be unusual. 'Fred' makes an excellent name for a Djinn, for example. > >Given that Hell knows about the attunement, they're going to attempt to >counter it, and the simplest way to do this give demons human sounding >names. Habbalah will want religious names, of course - no shortage of >those. >I normally name Lilim after gemstones; again, quite common. > >This solve your problem? > >James. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Relic: Coat of Concealment - --- "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: > Coat of Concealment Looks OK to me. Especially the spill condition -- heh heh. > ...Why yes, this idea was inspired by Harpo. A good thief only steals from the best. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:05:54 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Serpah of Destiny. > james walker wrote: > >> Another way: in most of the 'modern' world, your true name is the one >> on >> your birth certificate; yet surprisingly few people check what's on >> it. A >> creative Bal-Kyrio should be able to have a field day with new parents >> filling in the forms; take them over while filling in the forms, lie >> to them >> that the reason they cannot remember filling in the forms is that >> they'd had >> a few too many celebration drinks - that way even if the children find >> out >> later, it will all end badly for the parents. > > End badly for the possession victim. Mm, is that Kyriotate (or > Bal-Kyriotate) dissonance I hear? Maybe, but I don't think so. They're not actually worse off; being more likely to attract the attention of an angel is likely to improve the child's life, (so long as said life isn't ended messily before the angel does some checking). If a kyrio can get a host pregnant without attracting dissonance, I doubt that a potential problem decades later is going to cause any dissonance. James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:01:46 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Belial. > Excuse me I need to go set a forrest fire and bathe in the delightful glow > of a suicide bomber.....ahhhhhhh yessssss goood. I'm calm now. > > That's basically me in a nutshell, do you understand me now? > > - -Charlemagne > Comments? This is probably the way Habbalah of Fire see themselves - and possibly their master. Belial himself? Maybe. GM's choice, I guess. James. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:59:29 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Adventure Seed: Kronos's crucible Charles Phipps wrote: > Yves is fairly confident Kronos will blink first. I should bloody hope Yves is CERTAIN Kronos will blink first. And I'd bet that some party, very possibly Kronos, would decide that Dr. Peebles can just shuffle off this mortal coil withou attaining either fate or destiny, thank you very much. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:32:43 +0100 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: Re: IN> Adventure: Earth's Doom > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Walton > > I really can't see Zadkiel taking this lying down, no > matter what the rest of the Council says. I can "Here I was quietly sunbathing in geostationary orbit when this giant rock hit me. Lucky it wasn't anyone else, they might have got hurt. Was it one of yours David?" In the deepness of space kyriotates of lightning carefully ensure the rock attains a stable orbit. The cost to demonically enspired space programs is immense. Adam ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2303 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.