From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Jul 18 18:30:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28228 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:30:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA24930 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:30:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:30:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200107182330.SAA24930@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2306 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2306 In this digest: IN> The Mark of the Beast Re: IN> Consider Fate... IN> Re:Seraph of Destiny Attunement Re: IN> The Necronomicon (contents will not cause SAN loss*) IN> A Wind Attunement IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> A Wind Attunement Re: IN> The Necronomicon (contents will not cause SAN loss*) Re: IN> The Necronomicon (contents will not cause SAN loss*) Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> The Necronomicon (contents will not cause SAN loss*) Re: IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny attunement Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 11: The Mark of the Beast Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> A Wind Attunement Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> Attunements & Rites IN> Ahriman, the write up IN> Superiors 5+ Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> Superiors 5+ Re: IN> Attunements & Rites IN> New Attunements Re: IN> Ahriman, the write up Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> New Attunements Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> Ahriman, the write up Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> Attunements & Rites ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:02:34 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Mark of the Beast >I would say the Mark of the Beast is just a symbol of your damnation, >not the cause of it. Therefore, if it's possible for a Hellsworn to >repent and be saved, it would be possible whether he wears the Mark or >not. Agreed. Heaven may eventually make a human who is incapable of falling because of his knowledge and love but the same cannot be said of a human to be made impossible to rise. However a very real question is the bending of one's knee to Lucifer in such a case. "I'm actually saved you know." *Self styled Christian smokes a cigar* "I just faked the Mark of the Beast and now the anti-christ is filling my house with all the slaves, whiskey, cash, and cars I want....I swear the demons are rolling over themselves to treat me..." *he laughs manically* "And I've pledged nothing to him!" - -Charlemagne P.S. Is Lilith meant to be devoured by the Ten Remaining Demon Princes? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:50:50 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: Re: IN> Consider Fate... > > 2). Time travel does really weird things to English > > grammar. :) > >Damn straight. When Steve Jackson and John M Ford set off to write GURPS >Time Travel, I hoped that they would build some extensions to English for >the purpose. I was disappointed, but there's always another edition to >hope for. It's usually best to keep everything in present tense when talking about beings (such as Yves and Kronos) who live in time. Though I like the idea of them living backwards, I'm reminded of the part at the end of Rev 5 which has Yves basically walking across time. That too would let him know what's going to happen at the end, but still be anywhere (and anywhen) he wanted in the War. To make grammer deal with this, you can just say "Yves helps Gabriel found Islam," or "Yves puts up a good show in stopping the Apocalypse," since Yves can be at any of those points in time at any given moment of his own existence. Confused? Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:36:36 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:Seraph of Destiny Attunement > - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> >Names can be incredibly embarrassing. Large numbers of >> guys in South America >> >are baptised Jesus Christ, just as we're often named >> after saints. Causes >> >major headaches when they emigrate. >> >> I seem to recall that the way you tell those is that >> _their_ names are >> pronounced "Hay-sus," while if you mean the original, you >> pronounce >> the J as a J... But that could be wrong. Quite likely - unfortunately, it's normally written the same; that's what has caused the problems in the cases I'm aware of. > > That gets you into all sorts of liguistic tangles, at > least potentially. Jesus (which is Greek) comes out in the > original Hebrew as Y'shua or Joshua -- which version of the > name does a Seraph of Destiny get? Whichever is > appropriate to the subject's native language? > > ===== > Michael Walton, the easiest non-answer is to say that the angel gets the name in Angelic, and knows how to translate the name into any human language known to the angel. This allows GM's much scope for handwaving away problems. IIRC, Orthodox Jews believe that only God has the right to change someone's name, and that name changes by humans are a)blasphemous & b) ineffective. If the Attunement only grants the first name given to someone (unless He takes a hand) that belief might, in In Nomine, be based on complaints by Shepherds. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Necronomicon (contents will not cause SAN loss*) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > The Necronomicon, v2.3 Moe, I have no idea what disease you have, but I hope it's contagious. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:08:52 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> A Wind Attunement The attunements given for servitors of the Wind are rather skimpy. Here's one I thought up a while back. HE AIN'T HEAVY... This attunement allows the angel, with a touch, to negate almost all of the weight _and_ inertial mass of an object, making it as light and as easy to move as a feather. The effect lasts for (minutes x the angel's total forces) as long as the angel is continuously touching the object, or (seconds x the angel's total forces) once the angel releases it. The cost is 1 essence per 250 pounds if used on a willing accomplice(s), or 2 essence/250 lbs. if used on inanimate objects. Using it on an unsuspecting or hostile victim costs 3 essence/250 lbs, and the victim gets a Strength roll to resist. If failed, all the victim's Precision and Agility rolls will be reduced by a number equal to the angel's Celestial forces for the duration... and clever angels will certainly be able to think of other ways to use this offensively. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:17:03 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Attunements & Rites Come to think of it, several of the Superiors badly need to have their Rites and Attunements bulked up. Since Superiors 5+ seems to be on indefinite hold, does anyone have ideas for new attunements for Eli Janus Jean Jordi Marc Novalis? None of these have more than two attunements each in canon; some extra Rites would probably also be handy. - -- Y'know, I just realized that *all* the DPs have had expanded writeups, either in the Revelation Cycle books or Superiors 2 and 4. Yet these six(!) AAs are still waiting. Hmmmmm. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:22:14 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> A Wind Attunement From: "Douglas Muir" > > This attunement allows the angel, with a touch, to negate almost all of the > weight _and_ inertial mass of an object, making it as light and as easy to > move as a feather. Does it make them stiff as a board, too? ;;;) More seriously, nice work! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:25:06 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Necronomicon (contents will not cause SAN loss*) Below suitable for a Undead-hunting campaign. This is magnificient. Its postings like these that make this list such a great gaming resource. Part of what goes on in the IN/Crossover game is Undead to monster hunting. Thanks! Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:13:39 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> The Necronomicon (contents will not cause SAN loss*) > Moe, I have no idea what disease you have, but I hope > it's contagious. It is. I've become far more creatively bizarre (or bizarrely creative, you decide) since he moved into the area and joined my game. - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:25:45 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites > Novalis? I did two back in February for Jewish Arbor Day: Bloom! (with apologies to Principia Discordia) By spending Essence, the angel may render a firearm inoperative: a flower blooms from the barrel, roots entwined throughout the firing mechanism. Only completely stripping and cleaning the gun will return it to firing status; simply clearing the breech is insufficient. The Essence required for this attunement is variable. To figure its cost, take the Power of the weapon and divide by two. That is the Essence needed to render the gun inoperable. Theoretically, this attunement may be used on any weapon with a muzzle. Practically, there is an upper limit at which the Essence cost becomes prohibitive. Anything man-portable (approximately an M-60 in size) may be affected normally; larger weapons, such as .50 machineguns, anti-aircraft cannons and field artillery typically require an Essence output beyond the capacity of the angel. (Generous GMs may, if they wish, extend this ability to explosives as well. In this case, the bomb explodes in a harmless shower of flower petals.) As an additional ability, an angel may use this attunement to encourage growth in plant life. Treat as either a Song of Corporeal Healing or Entropy, as appropriate, with the angel's Ethereal Forces serving as the CD. This use costs no Essence and generates no Disturbance. Leavesdropping An angel of Flowers with this attunement may cast her perceptions through a living flower to a range of her Ethereal Forces in tens of meters. Only one type of plant may be so monitored, and it *must* be of a species that blooms! Freshly cut flowers will suffice, but the attunement will work only so long as they are alive; perception penalties may be assessed as withering occurs. > None of these have more than two attunements each in canon; some extra > Rites would probably also be handy. My campaign features Ecumenical Rites, open to all angels: *Receive communion (or equivalent) *Attend worship on a holy day (Good Friday, Yom Kippur); +1 if this is a high holy day (Passover, Easter) [Yes, I know there are no Islamic examples given. This is done out of my ignorance, and not as an insult to Muslims. Enlightenment and examples gleefully accepted.] > -- Y'know, I just realized that *all* the DPs have had expanded writeups, > either in the Revelation Cycle books or Superiors 2 and 4. Yet these > six(!) AAs are still waiting. Hmmmmm. No kidding. :/ Still, R. Sean Borgstrom has done a bang-up job on Eli and Jordi at her website http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rsean/gaming/ . Not much in the way of attunements or rites, but lots of other good stuff. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:38:46 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> The Necronomicon (contents will not cause SAN loss*) Eric Bertish wrote: >> Moe, I have no idea what disease you have, but I hope >> it's contagious. > > It is. I've become far more creatively bizarre (or bizarrely creative, you > decide) since he moved into the area and joined my game. But us players are still our normal goofy selves. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:41:18 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Re: Seraph of Destiny attunement - --On Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:29 PM -0700 Michael Walton wrote: > > I'll shut up now before you run out of Patience. };> > I would stop before you get to a point where there's No Exit. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Living dangerously in the hands of God.") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:44:47 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 11: The Mark of the Beast - --On Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:06 PM -0500 David Edelstein wrote: > Michael Walton wrote: >> Interesting questions, all. The reverse situation was >> dealt with in the sequel to "Like a Thief in the Night," >> when the un-Raptured believers counterfeited the Mark so >> that they could buy food and supplies. A scenario like >> that might also work in this campaign -- with the question, >> "Is someone who fakes the Mark of the Beast also damned?" > > > I would say the Mark of the Beast is just a symbol of your > damnation, not the cause of it. Therefore, if it's possible for a > Hellsworn to repent and be saved, it would be possible whether he > wears the Mark or not. > The Mark may also be acceptance of a set of attitudes or beliefs, a giving over of sorts, both of will and intent - the physical mark underlying the spiritual. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Causal Metaphysics. Welcome to flavor country.") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:15:34 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites - --On Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:17 AM -0400 Douglas Muir wrote: > > -- Y'know, I just realized that *all* the DPs have had expanded > writeups, either in the Revelation Cycle books or Superiors 2 and > 4. Yet these six(!) AAs are still waiting. Hmmmmm. > Point of fact, it's more fun to write a villian than a hero 90% of the time. The development staff probably thought they'd have time to get around to the less-interesting characters in 5. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A Wind Attunement - --- Douglas Muir wrote: > HE AIN'T HEAVY... I don't see any reason for the Essence cost to increase just because the target is inanimate or unwilling. 2 Essence per 250 lb., unwilling target gets a Str roll to resist, sounds about right. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > Bloom! I like the secondary function of this better than the primary, myself. > Leavesdropping This, on the other hand, is _extremely_ useful. Heh heh... > My campaign features Ecumenical Rites, open to all > angels: This is an absolutely brilliant idea. Consider it stolen. > *Attend worship on a holy day (Good Friday, Yom Kippur); > +1 if this is a > high holy day (Passover, Easter) > [Yes, I know there are no Islamic examples given. This is > done out of my > ignorance, and not as an insult to Muslims. Enlightenment > and examples gleefully accepted.] The Feast of Ramadan is a biggie. I also suspect that taking the Hajj would work for any Muslim angel and all angels of Faith. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:38:56 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Michael Walton wrote: > Eric Bertish wrote: > > My campaign features Ecumenical Rites, open to all > > angels: > > This is an absolutely brilliant idea. Consider it > stolen. > > > *Attend worship on a holy day (Good Friday, Yom Kippur); > > +1 if this is a > > high holy day (Passover, Easter) > > [Yes, I know there are no Islamic examples given. This is > > done out of my > > ignorance, and not as an insult to Muslims. Enlightenment > > and examples gleefully accepted.] > > The Feast of Ramadan is a biggie. I also suspect that > taking the Hajj would work for any Muslim angel and all > angels of Faith. You might also make the performance of the five (six?) daily prayers produce a note (or two if performed at precisely the correct times of day). Angel gets it after the last prayer is performed, a tactically Good Thing with night approaching. Gotta perform them all to get the note, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:56:06 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Ahriman, the write up I appologise first of all to beth, as this post may be a couple of k over the allowed size. Next of all, i ask that cannon gets left behind at the door woth your coats. Thankyou, i expect plenty of folks to comment on this by the way, im a little fish and im glad that the rapture posts are on hold for a couple of days as it allows me to get all this in, it will take 3 days including today to send it all in. =========================================== __Ahriman__ Demon Prince of (well no one is really sure what of..) "I am the adversary. That is all there is to it, I oppose all, i support the strong for the weak are useless as nothing but slaves. I am the lord of chaos, I sow seeds and reap the fools who follow order not of my own. I am death, for i am the only other option that is not heavenly" No one is really sure whn Ahriman became a prince, some say he is no more a prince than lucifer is. Once, ong ago it is said that the lightbringer took council with ahriman, and shortly after lucifer went about the rebellion. All the oldest princes have known ahriman was there from the word go in hell, they think he is the secound to lucifer, buit no one is really sure. Also no one ever bothered to ask the Ethereal god/demon known as Ahriman, if they was to look for him, they would not find him. No one has seen him in a very long time. Dissonance It is dissonant for the demon whilst on the corporeal realm to go a day with out causing some one to make a totally selfish decision. Also, it is dissonant for any servitor to be in the company of any holy man (1) for minutes equal to the the holymans forces deducted from twenty minutes. Band Attunements (all are restricted) Balseraph Ahrimans Balseraphs inflict the Need of Destructive (2) apon the victim. This lasts for hours equal to his CD. Calabim The most destructive of all calabites belong to ahriman, when they use their resonance they inflict additional dammage equal to thier will. Djinn Djinn of Ahriman can only attune to pregnant women. If he starts a - -relationship- with the woman, then she must make a contested will roll or try to abort the baby in any way what so ever so that nothing gets in the way of them two, she will often start a steady decline ending in her death. Habbalah Ahriman has no Habbalah in his ranks, they are -angels- and as such the enemy. Impudittes When an impudite resonates any one that person must make a perception roll or go blind in stages. The level of blindness is equal to the impudites celestial forces. Each level of blindness equates to a -2 modifier on the victims perception for CD days Lilim Lilim are probably the most numerous of all bands in his ranks. When a lilim recalls a geas, instead of the victim doing them a favour they may instead fill them with a number of dischords, totaling the level of geas + the celestial forces of the lilim. Shedim Shedim are the secound most numerous in the ranks of Ahriman. With a willpower roll they may go on the corporeal realm without causing any noise in the symphony for CD minutes then they will be subject to the normal dissonance caused by lack of a host. Servitor Attunements (only servitors of Ahriman may select these attunments) Fell Frost With a Will roll the demon may touch a target and cause it to suffer extremes of cold dammage. The damage is done to Body and Soul for amounts equal to double the CD of the will roll. Kiss of the Dragon This attunement is the same as Andrealaphus's Kiss of death. Distinctions Knight of Jeh (3) Any demon gifted with this distinction has his/her charisma raised by two. Any person of the opposite sex in the vicinity of the demon (ethereal forces in yards) must make a will roll or feel attracted to the demon, no matter what form they are in, and will literally go to the ends of the earth if the demons charisma is more than there own. (Shedim always default as male for this) Captain of the four fold sin (4) With the expenditure of essence the demon can instill in to its target four dischords. Fear, Jelousy, Lust and Greed, all at level 2. This attunement costs 8 essence to perform, the levels of the dischord may be raised with additional essence, but each one must be raised in turn. The effect lasts for CD days and the target must be touched by the demon. Baron of Ormazd (5) If the demon kills a human with out anybody else knowing, they may assume their identity, with role and vessal for free. This costs 10 essence. If the demon uses Kiss of the dragon to kill the target the also gain all the memories of the target for the last 30 years of thier life. The level of the role and vessal are up to the gm, but vessal 2 or 3 would be appropriate as the upper limits. Relations Allied Lucifer, Lillith, Vapula Associated Beleth, Aballam, Haagenti, Malphas Neutral Asmodeus, Baal, Belial, Kobal, Valefor Hostile Andrealaphus, Kronos, Nybbas Enemy Saminga Basic Rites A satanic ritual that lasts for 2 hours minimum. Prove the inferiority of a lesser (1 point), continue doing so until they brakdown in tears or run away (2 points) Chance of Invocation: 3 Invocation Modifiers +1 A woman pregnant with a boy +2 Poisonous snakes +3 Dead vessal of an angel (this includes habbalah) +4 A live angel or a woman pregnant with twins +5 5 live angels +6 A woman pregnant with twin boys +8 A woman pregnant by any Celestial. ================================================= Tomorrow i will send in the AA opinions then the day after or in the evening, i will send in the DP opinions and the notes as marked by numbers in brackets. Toodles Cass http://communities.msn.co.uk/ADD http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:21:52 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Superiors 5+ Okay, this has probably been asked before, but it hasn't come up in the month or so since I returned to the list. What's the status of Superiors 5, and beyond? For that matter, what's the status of the IN line generally? I realize that the recent turmoil at SJG may make this question difficult to answer with certainty. So let me narrow it down. If we're not sure what the status of IN is right now, what _was_ it before the meteor struck a couple of weeks ago? Elizabeth, Andrew? Anybody? Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:15:48 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites > You might also make the performance of the five (six?) daily prayers > produce a note (or two if performed at precisely the correct times of > day). Angel gets it after the last prayer is performed, a tactically > Good Thing with night approaching. Gotta perform them all to get the > note, though. Good idea. Why didn't you mention this before? You're only one of my *players*, you goob. :) - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:14:54 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites > I like the secondary function of this better than the > primary, myself. More Novaline, yes, but not as effective in the situations PCs are likely to be stuck in. It was added more for flavor and consistency than anything else. > The Feast of Ramadan is a biggie. Yes, but doesn't that last an entire month? And fasting during the day isn't a sacrifice for an angel who doesn't need to eat. Or are there other aspects to this of which I am not aware? - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:49:55 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites From: "Eric Bertish" > > > The Feast of Ramadan is a biggie. > > Yes, but doesn't that last an entire month? And fasting during the day isn't > a sacrifice for an angel who doesn't need to eat. Or are there other aspects > to this of which I am not aware? I think that, if an angel following Islam observed a strict fast for the entire month of Ramadan, that should count as at least a 3-point rite. Even though angels do not need food, it still is a gesture of devotion and duty to obey the fast, and I would have Khalid award it accordingly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:36:02 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Superiors 5+ Douglas Muir wrote: > What's the status of Superiors 5, and beyond? For that matter, what's the> status of the IN line generally? The EPG supposedly remains on the schedule for release next year, despite the recent shakedown. Anything else is still a hypothetical distant future. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:38:49 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Prodigal wrote: > I think that, if an angel following Islam observed a strict fast for the> entire month of Ramadan, that should count as at least a 3-point rite. Even> though angels do not need food, it still is a gesture of devotion and duty> to obey the fast, and I would have Khalid award it accordingly. Khalid has a Servitor Attunement which allows his Servitors to treat religious Rites as Essence-Rites. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:03:32 +1200 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: IN> New Attunements Geek Speak. This is the colloquial term among more irreverent Angels for one of Jean's new Attunements. Basically is copies Michael's Vassel distinction but with one alteration. It allows the Angel to speak in technical jargon, netspeak, acronyms and in some cases binary. Only other Angels of Lightning with this Attunement will understand the speak and can reply in kind. An interesting side effect of this Attunement is that the Angel can directly communicate with machines that have a microphone attached. This creates the perfect vocal interface. Since the language was created because of machines the machine consciousness interprets and relates the true meaning of the statements to the CPU and then on to the appropriate program. EMP With a Will roll the Angel may emitt a small EMP wave around himself with a diameter determined by the amount of Essence spent min 1 max 3. 1 = The Angels Ethereal Forces 2 = The Angels Perception 3 = The Angels Perception + Ethereal Forces This has the effect of a normal EMP, all electronic equipment shorts out or goes offline and will stay that way after the EMP vanishes. Standard repair methods will work. Revelation This is a GM controlled Attunement. Whenever the player is stuck for an idea at a critical time and as long as he is around SOMETHING with an electrical power supply the GM should reveal to the player what to do. This means accurate information relevant to the reason he was stumped in the first place. When surrounded by the trappings of mortal or Celestial technology the GM can reveal more depending on his whim. No wonder a Lightning Rod never forgets his network password! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ahriman, the write up - --- cassandra benner wrote: > Thankyou, i expect plenty of folks to comment on this by > the way, im a little fish On this list, there are no little fish -- only big ponds. 0:> > __Ahriman__ > Demon Prince of (well no one is really sure what of..) This is the part that threw me. Without a well-defined Word, it's hard to come up with a unified theme for Rites and Attunements. Of course, Ahriman's Word need not be apparent to PC's -- but it should be apparent to a GM. If his Word is implied in the write-up, I missed it. > Dissonance > It is dissonant for the demon whilst on the corporeal > realm to go a day with > out causing some one to make a totally selfish decision. > Also, it is dissonant for any servitor to be in the > company of any holy man > (1) for minutes equal to the the holymans forces deducted > from twenty minutes. Do demons of (?) have some way of knowing when they are in the presence of true holiness, or do they have to wait until Dissonance hits them? > Band Attunements With the number of these that duplicate effects from other DP's, your non-canon disclaimer was well-placed. I do rather like the note about Habbalah, though, and I really like the Djinn Attunement. > Captain of the four fold sin (4) This is really nasty, and is a great way to create Habbalah. How about adding a Will roll to resist? Celestials/Ethereals should probably get to add their Celestial Forces, as well. > Baron of Ormazd (5) This I really like. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > > The Feast of Ramadan is a biggie. > > Yes, but doesn't that last an entire month? No. Ramadan is a month on the Islamic calendar. Muslims fast during the day throughout the month. At the end of the month, the Feast is celebrated. I believe that it's the single most important holiday in the Islamic world. > And fasting during the day isn't > a sacrifice for an angel who doesn't need to eat. Or are > there other aspects to this of which I am not aware? The fast is more a show of devotion than a sacrifice -- remember, everyone eats at night. An angel could do the equivalent of a fast by, say, forgoing his daily Essence by sending it to his Superior (via Celestial Song of Tongues). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Attunements I like these -- but I'd reserve the third one for the "boys" in R & D! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:48:42 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites > No. Ramadan is a month on the Islamic calendar. Muslims > fast during the day throughout the month. At the end of > the month, the Feast is celebrated. I believe that it's the > single most important holiday in the Islamic world. Ah. I am Enlightened. > The fast is more a show of devotion than a sacrifice -- > remember, everyone eats at night. An angel could do the > equivalent of a fast by, say, forgoing his daily Essence by > sending it to his Superior (via Celestial Song of Tongues). Which pretty much negates the benefits of performing a Rite, neh? It's very Faith-like and all, but this seems to hurt the angel more than help. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:53:32 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Ahriman, the write up >From: Michael Walton > > __Ahriman__ > > Demon Prince of (well no one is really sure what of..) > > This is the part that threw me. Without a well-defined >Word, it's hard to come up with a unified theme for Rites >and Attunements. Of course, Ahriman's Word need not be >apparent to PC's -- but it should be apparent to a GM. If >his Word is implied in the write-up, I missed it. In myth he is worded as -:Concupisence:- which is ;lust, greed anger and the major sins basically. As a word it is only used in scholarly mention these days. > > Dissonance > > It is dissonant for the demon whilst on the corporeal > > realm to go a day with > > out causing some one to make a totally selfish decision. > > Also, it is dissonant for any servitor to be in the > > company of any holy man > > (1) for minutes equal to the the holymans forces deducted > > from twenty minutes. > > Do demons of (?) have some way of knowing when they are >in the presence of true holiness, or do they have to wait >until Dissonance hits them? This will be coverd in the post tomorrow evening (my time) in the note section, i should have included this in the mail i know. (1) Angels, saints and the blessed count as holy men, normal preachers or priests do not count as holy men in this regard The note about balseraphs next. (2) The sufferer of this dischord must make a will -level of dischord role to stop them selves from breaking things around them, low levels indicate that the victim will break small things, tv's, radios and such like, but from 3 upwards they will try to break cars, destroy houses and so forth, at level 6 they will also have to make a will roll daily to stop themselves from commiting suicide, the ultimate thing to destroy is the self and it is a sin if you die by your own hand after all.. > > Band Attunements > > With the number of these that duplicate effects from >other DP's, your non-canon disclaimer was well-placed. I >do rather like the note about Habbalah, though, and I >really like the Djinn Attunement. Thankyou. I tryed to fit as many of the historical/mythical things Ahriman has been noted of doing and fitting them in to IN. I wasnt aware that any of them duplicated the already written ones. But i did have the apology and canon note before hand so thats me safe.. Well with the exception of the Kiss of the dragon that is. > > Captain of the four fold sin (4) > > This is really nasty, and is a great way to create >Habbalah. How about adding a Will roll to resist? >Celestials/Ethereals should probably get to add their >Celestial Forces, as well. Hmm, id let the victims suffer from it as normal, i think they geta will roll once a day to resist the urge or something like that. if not, hell, make it so. *g* > > Baron of Ormazd (5) > > This I really like. Thankyou. There is even a very good reason for it being so expensive. These next notes refere to the 3 ranks that he bestows. (3) Demons must have atleast 12 forces to be elegible for this, Ahriman is a bully prince and expects his servitors to be strong. (4) As 3 but with 15 forces. (5) As 3/4 but with 20 forces. When i post the AA and DP oppinions you may be surpized by who i placed ormazd as in the IN setting. I tried to cover all the Major Mithraistic deities and noted names. *g* I love my occult bookshelf sometimes for just this reason. >===== >Michael Walton, #9805-068 > The trouble with doing something right the first time >is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. You got that damn right. Toodles. Casiopia _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > Which pretty much negates the benefits of performing a > Rite, neh? It's very > Faith-like and all, but this seems to hurt the angel more > than help. Whoops. Heh, heh, I knew that, I was just testing you. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:28:53 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites > The Feast of Ramadan is a biggie. I also suspect that >taking the Hajj would work for any Muslim angel and all >angels of Faith. > >===== >Michael Walton In Khalid's writeup, the Kaabah is described as his biggest Tether. At the end of the Hajj, pilgrims kiss a black stone in the Kaabah; angels who complete the Hajj with sincere faith and kiss the stone will lose a point of dissonance. It's also an Essence-Rite for angels of Faith. Hmm... come to think of it, the writeup technically says *any* celestial... I guess if a demon manages to complete the hajj with sincere faith, though, he's close enough. ;^) William ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2306 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.