From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Jul 22 22:47:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11990 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:47:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA07820 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:47:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:47:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200107230347.WAA07820@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2313 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, July 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2313 In this digest: IN> Kobal IN> Re: Proto-Superiors IN> Re: Discordant Malakite IN> Re: The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> Re: Proto-Superiors Re: IN> Re: Discordant Malakite Re: IN> Re: Discordant Malakite Re: IN> Proto-Superiors Re: IN> Re: Discordant Malakite IN> Proto-Superiors 2 -- Inheritance Re: Dark Humor [was Re: IN> Proto-Superior: Perdix, Demon of Despair] Re: IN> Plot hook (sorry) IN> War Faction Attunement IN> [Admin] Watch the sizes of posts, all... Fwd: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites Re: IN> Re: The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> Re: Skulkers Re: Dark Humor [was Re: IN> Proto-Superior: Perdix, Demon of Despair] Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> X, the Unknown Re: IN> Proto-Superiors Re: IN> Proto-Superiors Re: IN> War Faction Attunement Re: IN> Attunements & Rites ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:43:47 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Kobal > I always forget about Kobal. His word seems so overshadowed by Fate, Media > and Factions. Frankly, I'd love to either get rid of the guy, have him > redeem, or give him a massive face-lift. IMO, he just doesn't stand up on > his own within the current write-ups. Well, he's meant to be overshadowed by Fate - Kronos took his job. But it's worth noting that Kronos & Kobal are the only DP's to be running pyramid schemes for Superior-hood: Kronos created Vapula who created Nybbas who promoted Furfur; while Kobal adopted Haagenti who created Fluerity. Although Kronos seems to be winning, it's not over yet - and the final clash between the two of them could have more effect on Hell than the war with Heaven. James. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:20:54 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Proto-Superiors >> IMO and IMC, a proto-Superior would: >> >> -- Have at least 15 Forces > > 15? No way. 18, flat rate, IMO. You have to have maxxed out your current > state to be eligible for the state change, it seems to me. Try saying this aloud: "Saminga has 6 Ethereal Forces". It was hard enough to write it.... James. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:33:44 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Discordant Malakite > It's trickier than it sounds. Scars can be a badge of honor for a human, > but Discord comes from Dissonance -- and Dissonance, for a Malakite, is > always a thing of horror and shame. IMC, the (very rare) Malakim with > Discord are viewed by their fellows, and view themselves, as carrying a > shameful badge of failure. Their status is noticeably diminished, and > they're usually almost obsessive about getting it removed ASAP. usually, but not always. If the Malakite was forced to violate his oaths to do something essential - for example, a Impudite is avoiding dissonance by pulling humans from a wrecked train, so the Malakite elects not to kill him and instead helps save human lives - this could be seen as being MORE honourable than following his oaths. Of course, you'd need a minimum of 4 events like this to get Crippled/3 - pretty unlikley, and it means he's been Outcast; or 9 events if he's been converting it Discord. Simpler - possibly too simple for the mystery you've built up - is too assume that he lost all of his Corporeal Forces in Celestial Combat. That would give him three levels of Corporeal Discord, and if he successfully Soul-killed the Demon (maybe a Seneschal or other Word-Bound) he could wear the Discord as a badge of honour. Possibly he asked Laurence to leave the Discord when he was granted his new Corporeal Forces - after all, who would suspect a Malakite of having so much Discord? So much easier to sneak up on unsuspecting demons... ...but William J. Keith's idea is better. James. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 04:37:43 -0700 From: Asher Densmore-Lynn Subject: IN> Re: The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons At 04:18 AM 7/22/01 -0500, Prodigal wrote: >Kyahiel >Ofanite of War (formerly of The Sword) >Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons I dunno... as written, I'd place him as a Calabite of the Media or of Factions. Factions because he plays up the idea of Them and Their Ways; Media because, well, where do you think most of us got the -idea- of Ethnic Badass Weapons? "I'm not you, I'm far superior to your kind, look at me." I can almost see him "helping" people. Sooooo Factions. - -- Asher Densmore-Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Proto-Superiors - --- james walker wrote: > Try saying this aloud: "Saminga has 6 Ethereal > Forces". > It was hard enough to write it.... I don't have a problem with Sammie having 6 personal Ethereal Forces. It won't do him a bit of good if he declines to _use_ them. After all, the words 'idiot', 'moron' and 'dumbass' have been used as synonyms in vernacular English for so long that we forget that they actually have distinct meanings... ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Discordant Malakite - --- james walker wrote: > Simpler - ...but William J. Keith's idea is better. Not that your idea isn't bad, either. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Discordant Malakite Sorry, James. Bad sentence there: I MEANT to say, effectively, that your idea worked as well. Sorreee... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:32:36 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Proto-Superiors >Heh. I'm working on something that assumes that, as a >human, Lilith only has 15 personal Forces* (as opposed >to Forces that came with the State Change), but for >celestials I think that 18's a good call. [thumps head] I almost forgot. Furfur. [flips through FT] Yah. 15 Forces at the time of his elevation, and not all that heavy on Skills and Songs and whatnot either. So the thing is at least possible. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:33:01 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Re: Discordant Malakite [Malakim and dissonance] >usually, but not always. If the Malakite was forced to violate his oaths to >do something essential - for example, a Impudite is avoiding dissonance by >pulling humans from a wrecked train, so the Malakite elects not to kill him >and instead helps save human lives - this could be seen as being MORE >honourable than following his oaths. Yah, I thought of that. It's possible to come up with scenarios where a Mal risks dissonance by serving a greater good -- or a "higher honor", if you like. The problem is, if it really was a greater good, his honorable Superior would probably agree, and strip him of dissonance or Discord with no more than minor penance. [snippage] >...but William J. Keith's idea is better. Yes, I'd agree. Yours is good, but William has neatly tied up all loose ends and brought in an obscure bit of canon as well. Very nicely done. It even explains why the other Mals are quiet about it. A non-Virtue might get some entirely wrong idea. Like, that Vidatsy was scoring a point off his Archangel, instead of making an honorable sacrifice out of selfless love. That's the sort of misunderstanding that makes Malakim scritchy all over, so they'd just rather not go there. Yah, it all fits. Kudos, William -- I'll make sure that my next campaign contains at least a glimpse of Wilk (Malakite of Judgement IST Destiny) the Angel of Explanations. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:35:09 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Proto-Superiors 2 -- Inheritance Another ambitious demon. This one would fit nicely into a conspiratorial campaign, or one which often involves digging up secrets (and Secrets). Either failure or success on Jahi's part will probably give an outcome that's... cinematic, to say the least. * * * * * Jahi, the Demon of Inheritance Habbalite Marquis of Factions To inherit property is not to be born. It is rather to be still-born. -- Henry David Thoreau History: Jahi is an older demon, and she's been working for Malphas since the days of the Pharaohs. The Egyptians discovered land surveys, and developed the concept of inheritance law and written wills. Jahi perverted these developments into endless, bitter wrangles over inheritance, turning families against each other in feuds that could last for generations. Malphas approved, and sponsored her for the Word that she has held ever since. For many centuries, Jahi was just another mid-level Word-Bound of Factions. She encouraged humans to fight over inheritances, and she got very good at it. Sometimes she'd manage to get close to royalty, and set princes at odds; more often, she'd just ruin the lives of ordinary families. Jahi didn't much care. God had set her to winnow out the weak, and she'd take them where she could find them. Malphas made her a Knight, but she rose no higher for many, many years. (Though even then, she knew she was something more than just another Punisher. Jahi felt sure that Fate held some higher calling for her... and she developed the habit of collecting things that might help her someday, even in the very distant future, when that calling was revealed. She collected relics, she collected Essence, and most of all she collected secrets.) Things began to change in the eighteenth century, when nationalism began sweeping across Europe. Jahi had always known that princes could be provoked to fight over the inheritance of kingdoms. Now she came to realize that, even with the princes gone, whole nations were still willing to fight over "their" land and "their" traditions. Her Word, she saw, was expandable into a new aspect: the inheritance of national hatreds and grudges. When the Balkan states became free of the Ottoman Empire, for instance, it was Jahi who made sure that they inherited the clannishness, corruption and violence of the Ottoman system but not the social mobility or the tolerance of minorities. Later, she would work to ensure that generations after generations (of Frenchman and Germans, Protestant and Catholic Irish, Indians and Pakistanis, Serbs and Croats...) inherited national grudges against each other. Malphas was greatly pleased, and Jahi rose to Captain, and then Baron. Baal, too, paused to look at her work... and smiled, granted her an attunement, and moved on. Still, by the early 20th century, Jahi seemed to have reached a plateau again. She was a 15-Force Baron, rich in Songs and attunements, but she seemed unlikely to go any further; her Word had expanded, but it was still not a truly Major one. And then, one day in 1923, a book caught her eye: "On the Inheritance of Characteristics," by one G. Mendel. She pulled it off the shelf, began to read... and slowly the realization dawned over her that she had found her higher calling at last. God had a new, and breathtakingly immense, task for her. "Inheritance" could mean much more than wills and estates, much more than even national grudges and ethnic hatreds. Inheritance could mean -- genes! Chromosomes! Genetic diseases, inherited temperaments, physical weaknesses - -- every single thing that a person inherited from his parents! And not just humans... every living thing, ever since the first proto-bacterium had split in two, had some sort of inheritance. Her Word was *everywhere*! Ever since then, Jahi has -- slowly, oh so carefully -- been experimenting with expanding the scope of her Word. And sure enough: she has developed Rites and Attunements relating to genetic inheritance, and her Word Forces have more than tripled in number. Inheritance is a Superior-class Word. Her only remaining issue is how she can work around her boss, and achieve the Archangel status that God obviously has intended for her all along. Appearance and Demeanor Heritum Damnosum (Latin): an accursed inheritance; one that causes misery, divides, or destroys. -- Black's Law Dictionary Jahi's Celestial appearance is typical for one of her Band: a beautiful female body pierced with dozens of rings, from which hang heavy chains (symbolizing the bonds of inheritance). Lines of text from various legal codes are tattooed across her flesh. In recent years, her appearance has begun to shift slightly; very close examination might show that some of the chains are now double helixes, for instance, and that some of the tattoos are actually lines from _biology_ texts. Nobody gets that close, though. On Earth, Jahi uses several different vessels, from attractive young woman to silver-haired (but charming) older man. She has several Roles at low levels, and may appear almost anywhere, from courtrooms to battlefields to laboratories. Jahi has between a dozen and a hundred demons working for her, mostly promoting various sorts of ethnic hatred. Three very carefully selected Servitors have been let in on the secret of her expanded Word; the rest are completely in the dark. (Well, actually it's more like twelve have been let in on the secret. But of those, only three are still alive. Jahi hasn't worked for Malphas for six thousand years without learning a thing or two about treachery, and she has Essence to burn these days. The ones who have survived are about as trustworthy as demons can be... which is to say, their fear of Jahi plus their hope of future rewards pretty firmly outweighs their natural instincts. Repeated applications of her resonance haven't hurt, of course.) Otherwise, to all appearances Jahi is a perfect Habbalite Baron: ruthless to her inferiors, sneeringly correct to her peers, and deferential to her Prince and his Dukes. She seems in all respects to be conscientious, strict, methodical, harsh, predictable... and, insofar as the word can be applied to a Baron of Hell, rather dull. Present Status and Plans: When shall I be dead and rid Of the wrong my father did? How long, how long, till spade and hearse Put to rest my mother's curse? - -- A.E. Housman Jahi is still a Baron of Factions. What nobody realizes -- yet -- is that she's become more powerful than any of her colleagues; more powerful, in fact, than most Dukes. Her expanded Word is part of the reason, but it's also that she's been monomaniacally working for the last 80 years to make herself worthy of it. Jahi is an absolute fanatic, and she has devoted herself to acquiring more Skills, Songs and Relics with a fanatic's mad energy and devotion. So far, she's gotten away with it. After all, she's always been intense, but in six thousand years she's never rocked the boat before. Everyone has her tagged as a typical Habbalite, one who underwent some Word-expansion a couple of centuries back but is now firmly settled in her niche. Everyone thinks that she's an older demon who's utterly predictable, and therefore "safe". And everyone is so horribly wrong. Jahi has become a truck bomb, barreling down the road bearing all the explosive power of a Superior-class Word. And whether or not she succeeds in attaining Princehood, she's going to make one Hell of a bang. Jahi isn't too wild about petitioning Lucifer for her Princehood; after all, she's an _angel_. What she wants, instead, is to find a Prince who will agree to sponsor her, and perhaps even act as her patron while she finds her legs. This may sound insane, but there's method to Jahi's madness. Not every Prince is going to automatically squelch a newcomer, after all, and her Word offers up intriguing new possibilities. Her first choice is Vapula, and she's already carefully sounding him out. After all, he sponsored Nybbas, didn't he? And he's a fellow Habbalite, who knows what it means to serve God in Hell. More to the point, genetic engineering is clearly going to be the Next Big Thing. Imagine armies of gengineered zombies! Or humans bred for low Wills and vulnerability to evil! Jahi can offer him exciting synergy as a minor (at first) Princess allied to Technology. If Vapula turns her down, and assuming she gets a second chance, she's going to try Baal. He's approved of her good work in the past, after all. And he's hostile to Malphas. Baal has wanted to take the Prince of Factions down a peg for a long, long time now, and the events of _The Final Trumpet_ have surely not improved his attitude. Yes, it's a long shot, but if it comes off, she's set -- Hell's General is the most powerful patron imaginable. And even if he turns her down, he's unlikely to turn her in to her Prince. If all else fails, she might try Malphas himself. No, she doesn't believe that he's really her best friend -- she's an angel, she knows better than that. But he's a thoughtful Prince, and one who might, just perhaps, be open to a negotiated solution. After all, the emergence of a new Superior is sure to open up all sorts of interesting new fault lines in Infernal politics. Finally, as an utterly last resort, Jahi is prepared to take her case to the bottom. She's already made arrangements to either steal or shatter her Heart. She'll then head straight for the nearest sinkhole to the Lower Hells, where she'll make her petition straight to Lucifer himself. And if she doesn't come back... well, no angel is going to go down without taking some demons down, too. Jahi has her own Inheritance ready to go. She has _big_ bombs planted at several key locations in Malphas' Principality. Worse yet, she has six thousand years of secrets that will be revealed if she disappears. She knows things that will turn half of Stygia inside out. A demon who stumbles across her careful preparations could blow her plans sky-high... if he survives the attentions of a very powerful, methodical, utterly insane Habbalite Baron and her various co-conspirators. So far, none have. (Any demon of Secrets, of course, would cheerfully give one of his Forces to find out about all this. And any angel of Revelation as well, of course...) Rites and Attunements: Never say you know a man until you have divided an inheritance with him. -- Lavater Those marked [secret] are known only to Jahi and her conspirators. Demon of Inheritance (1): With a touch and a Perception roll, the demon can know the complete inheritance status of a human: who he's likely to inherit from, and how much, and who his own heirs are. On a check digit of 6, the demon also knows what aspect of his inheritance is most important to the human. This attunement can only be used once per day on a given human. Demon of Inheritance (2): This is a variant of Malphas' Bigotry attunement. It amplifies a single intolerance arising out of national, religious or ethnic heritage. The demon must choose the intolerance, and it must actually exist in the victim. If it does not (i.e., he encounters a Palestinian who doesn't hate or even dislike Israelis), any Essence spent is lost. It requires a Will roll to invoke, lasts for (Essence spent x check digit) hours, and can be resisted with a Will roll. Failure means the intolerance is amplified to fanatical hatred. Demon of Inheritance (3) [secret]: Similar to #1, except that it costs 3 Essence, and this version allows the demon to know the complete status of the human's _genetic_ inheritance. Basically, the demon gets to read the victim's DNA! The check digit cannot exceed the lower of the demon's Knowledge (Genetics) and Intelligence; higher check digits will be reduced, as he won't be able to make sense of the information. Jahi is still working out the details of this, but even low check digits give useful information, while higher ones will reveal specific "weak spots" in the human's genetic makeup (predispositions to addiction or depression, for instance, or hidden physical disabilities). GM discretion is required, but a check digit of 6 will always allow the demon to add +1 to all resonance rolls against that human, forever! Rites: - -- Make a human write a grossly unfair will. - -- Cause two humans to sue, or physically assault each other, over an inheritance. - -- Convince a group of at least 10 humans that their national heritage justifies violence (+1 essence for more than 100 humans, and +1 more essence if violence promptly ensues). - -- [secret] Make a human miserable by revealing a previously unknown inheritance, such as a genetic defect or a parent's suicide. This Rite gives bonus Essence if the human develops some Discord-equivalent as a result of the revelation, up to the level of the Discord. So, if telling a human that "your mother was a secret alcholic" causes the human to develop Addiction (alchohol)-3, the demon would get 3 additional Essence. Possible allies: Kronos, Vapula, perhaps Baal Probable enemies: Malphas (maybe), Lilith (you're not free if you're bound by what your parents were -- and considering who Lilith's "parent" was, I suspect she'd feel strongly about this) Particularly hostile Archangels: David (she breaks the bonds of family and nation), Jean, Yves Thoughts? Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:24:52 -0500 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: Dark Humor [was Re: IN> Proto-Superior: Perdix, Demon of Despair] > >>I always forget about Kobal. His word seems so overshadowed by Fate, Media > >>and Factions. Frankly, I'd love to either get rid of the guy, have him > >>redeem, or give him a massive face-lift. IMO, he just doesn't stand up on > >>his own within the current write-ups. > The best summary of Kobal himself and his Word that I've seen yet is from a script/trial by the players and GM for 'Fiat Justitia'. (This is in my own opinion, and yes I own Superiors 2. *And* The Final Trumpet. So I have both the official writeups of Kobal.) > You ought to read this in full, at: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/kobal-trial.html That helped, that really did. I can slap my forehead and say, "I get it!" now. I'm still not all that enthused about him or his band attunements, but I'm beginning to get a better hold of his personality. He's not Batman's Joker, he's a mean-spirited cuss with a really sharp wit. He's the kind of heckler who likes to make stand-up comedians cry. And yeah, that was a lot more helpful than Sup 2 and Rev V. Cordially, Erich S. Arendall "The flames are all long gone, the pain lingers on." -Pink Floyd, "Goodbye, Blue Sky" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:27:16 -0500 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Plot hook (sorry) > >So I'm throwing it open to all comers. Anyone? > Malakite of the Sword, huh? That was good. ...Now I want to include a one-handed Blackwing in /my/ games! :) Cordially, Erich S. Arendall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:50:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> War Faction Attunement Well, the thing I was working on probably would have been done by now, except that I went out and bought a TV, VCR and DVD player last night. Not _too_ much of a distraction, one would think, except that I also bought a DVD for 'testing'. One I haven't seen before: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. That pretty much scuppered my writing plans for last night. However, ill wind and all that. :) Moe "I have a PC who's going to LOVE this film" Lane Variable Gravity Field (the Wind / Stone / War / the Sword / Divine Fire / Protection) This Servitor Attunement originated with the Wind, but certain other Archangels began crafting their own versions, as well. It was either that or watch their Servitors fall over themselves to do favors for Janus. Essentially, the Attunement allows a person to treat gravity as a minor obstacle. The user may at will reduce his or her weight by up to 1/10th of normal. This will not allow actual flight, but someone with VGF can leap astounding distances, walk on water, run up walls... An Acrobatics roll is needed to use this Attunement in combat: this will give a further +(CD) to Dodge rolls but a -(CD/2) to damage done due to the lack of leverage. Prolongued use of VGF (over five minutes) will also cause 2 points of Disturbance per further minute. It should also be noted that any entity with this Attunement and a human female Vessel/host/body will gain a +2 to all Seduction rolls, due mostly to the fact that having VGF means that you can burn all your bras... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:16:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [Admin] Watch the sizes of posts, all... Okay, my ability to send and receive email is still spotty, but I've noticed a tendency to bloat messages, and I'm getting some digest bounces. These may be linked. Please, everyone, _try_ to keep your messages within shouting distance of 10K. 12K makes me narrow my eyes, but 15K (as someone's recent post shows up as, in my emailer in-box) is starting to really push the limit. If you have something that's going to be more than 10K, please try to cut it into two (or more) parts and post one part per day, so that those people with memory limits have a chance to read, and clean out, their in- boxes in the meantime. Thanks. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:17:59 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:27:29 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /\bcancel\b/i at line 9 > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:23:02 -0400 >From: Douglas Muir >Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites > > >>Jordi: >> >>Cloak of the Natural World >> >>With the pelt of any animal he has hunted and slain himself, and a cost >>of 3 Essence, an angel of Jordi can alter his vessel to become the animal >>whose pelt he wears. The effect lasts for a number of hours equal to the >>angel's Celestial Forces or until he chooses to cancel it. This >>attunement grants one all the instincts, urges, and capabilities of the >>animal whose form is being worn, but the angel retains their own mind. > >I like all of this except the "hunted and slain himself" bit. Sure, >Jordi's angels hunt and kill in the normal manner, if their vessels are >predatory. But a lot of them aren't -- and even the predatory ones don't >normally take trophies. > >I think it might be better if the pelt was taken from a human hunter -- a >cruel or wasteful one, who the angel has discovered and punished >appropriately. I could see Jordi cheerfully granting an attunement for >that. > > >>Eyes in the Sky >> >>The angel can look through the eyes of any local flying animal that is >>not trained or under celestial influence. The angel sees everything the >>flyer sees as they see it and they can mentally direct their aerial >>eyepiece to focus on a particular area if they wish. It only lasts for a >>number of minutes equal to the angel's Ethereal Forces and there is a >>Will roll made against the aerial creature when the angel first attempts >>to use this ability. > >I like it a lot. I note in passing that only creatures with 4 forces or >more normally get Will rolls to resist resonances, but attunements might >work differently. > > >>Dragnet >> >>An expanded version of Eyes in the Sky, this attunement lets an angel >>look through the eyes of any animal within the area, as long as the >>animal has an equivalent number of Forces to the angel. > >? > > >>It costs 3 >>Essence to use and lasts for a number of minutes equal to the angel's >>Ethereal Forces. > >Sort of like being a temporary Kyrio? > > > >>Foul Wound >> >>For 2 Essence, any attack the angel makes afflicts the victim with >>rabies. It also lets other unsanitary diseases in through the wounds, the >>type one might get from a wild animal bite. > >Um, I don't much like this one -- seems more like an infernal attunement, >something a Demon of Animal Attacks would use. > > >How about this. > >Killing Strike > >Once per day, while in his animal vessel, the angel may deliver a killing >strike, using the vessel's natural attack ability. The killing strike >always hits home, and does extra damage equal to double the angel's >Corporeal Forces. If the total damage is greater than half the prey's >_remaining_ Body Hits, it must make a STR roll or die on the spot. Some GM >discretion is required, as not all vessels will be able to use this >attunement effectively; a big cat or wolf certainly could, while a >woodchuck or a flounder wouldn't get much use from it. > > > >>Expanded Rites >> >>Destroy a place which treats animals cruelly (Jordi might interpret this >>as a laboratory or perhaps a zoo). > >I really like this one. > > >Doug M. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:43:14 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Re: The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons From: "Asher Densmore-Lynn" > > >Kyahiel > >Ofanite of War (formerly of The Sword) > >Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons > > I dunno... as written, I'd place him as a Calabite of the Media or of > Factions. That would be the Demon of Ethnic Badass Weapons; I was focusing on the angelic applications of the word. :) (Rather surprised nobody's commented on the name yet, but perhaps it's one of those situations where nobody felt like commenting on it...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:53:01 -0400 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons > > How about an Israeli with a .50 Desert Eagle? > > I think that a tank would be more appropriate.* > > :) > > Moe > > *Well, you did say 'Badass'. I wanted to say someone with a tank, but it didn't seem perticularly "ethnic". And you must admit that an IMI Desert Eagle is quite imposing for a handgun. Daniel Demon Prince of Lurkers "I see the world, but it rarely sees me." And who happens to have been very dissionant in the past few days. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:48:00 -0400 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons > > Daniel > > Demon Prince of Lurkers > > "I see the world but it rarely see me." > > > > I think we found our first example of a Skulker Superior. The question > is how he got his Princedom without anyone noticing. Of course, I'd love to > vist his principality. > > Fnordia > > No one seems to know exactly where in Hell this is. It exists, > supposedly, as he has to have -somewhere- to keep damned souls and his > servitors, but it has yet to be found by anyone who doesn't work for him. > Alaemon is *this* close to having a nervous breakdown over the whole thing. > Even Lucifer looks a little sheepish when it's brought up. > I've always tagged that as a joke, but man, now it sounds like a halfway decent writeup. Any takers? Daniel Demon Prince of Lurkers "I see the world, but it rarely sees me." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:19:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Skulkers At 12:20 PM +1100 7/21/01, james walker wrote: [...] >They're in GIN, page 59; so they're not canon YET. (To be strictly accurate, they're approved by SJ to be in there, so they're just not in _In Nomine_ stats yet. O:> ) >BTW, I'm currently going through GIN with a fine tooth comb looking for >rulings, write-ups and descriptions which aren't elsewhere. Once I've >finished, do people want me to post them here? Depends on how big the chunk is; at the least, an email pointer to a URL would be nice. If you don't have a URL, talk to me. I'll host something like that. Heck, I might use it to compile errata. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:24:26 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: Dark Humor [was Re: IN> Proto-Superior: Perdix, Demon of Despair] >> >>I always forget about Kobal. His word seems so overshadowed by Fate, >Media >> >>and Factions. Frankly, I'd love to either get rid of the guy, have him >> >>redeem, or give him a massive face-lift. IMO, he just doesn't stand up >on >> >>his own within the current write-ups. >> The best summary of Kobal himself and his Word that I've seen yet is from >a script/trial by the players and GM for 'Fiat Justitia'. (This is in my own >opinion, and yes I own Superiors 2. *And* The Final Trumpet. So I have both >the official writeups of Kobal.) >> You ought to read this in full, at: >http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/kobal-trial.html > >That helped, that really did. I can slap my forehead and say, "I get it!" >now. >I'm still not all that enthused about him or his band attunements, Ditto for the second part at least. Love the personality and Word, hate the Band attunements. Kobal seriously needs a workover in terms of PC bennies. ^^; > but I'm >beginning to get a better hold of his personality. He's not Batman's Joker, >he's a mean-spirited cuss with a really sharp wit. He's the kind of heckler >who likes to make stand-up comedians cry. And beyond that, he's the kind of guy who'll target someone and do everything in his power to piss off and/or humiliate them, then sit back and watch the fun. He's an Impudite, with all that entails as well (more subtle than other Princes, generally against human death unless it's Funny - see his Impudite attunement - and perfectly willing to set in motion plans that won't bear fruit for quite some time - the final punchline for Haagenti, for one.) And then there's the 'bright humor in a dark existance' part. The only thing I can add to that is a quote. I have no idea if this really is original on my part (for a story I was planning to write) or if I stole it, but... "If I wasn't laughing, I'd have to start crying. And I don't like to cry." I've got a ton of characters like him, but not quite as 'dark' and far less sane. (If a DP could be considered 'sane' by our standards.) So I've got a bit of an advantage, at least for creating his Servitors. ^_^ >And yeah, that was a lot more helpful than Sup 2 and Rev V. Sup 2 and Rev V are good, but you have to read between the lines a lot and generally add in noncanon stuff to work with them. ^_^;; And if you just have the core book, you'll never be able to use 'em. ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it. Voltaire ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:24:20 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Daniel Gallagher wrote: > > > > How about an Israeli with a .50 Desert Eagle? > > > > I think that a tank would be more appropriate.* .50 Desert Eagles are commonly and uniquely associated with Israelis; tanks aren't. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:24:46 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> X, the Unknown >From: David Edelstein > > >Janet Anderson wrote: > > > > > > All these demons who are much too good for Hell and really ought to be > > Redeemed. It's enough to make an angel think about working for Novalis. > > >Nope. They may hate Hell, but they're still too selfish to admit their >errors, repent of their pride, and beg God for redemption. It takes more >than hating Hell to become an angel. > Oh yes. I bet a lot of redemptions (most of them) fail, precisely because angels fail to entirely realise this. There are many selfish reasons a demon might have to hate Hell or want to be a free-agent. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:38:29 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Proto-Superiors >From: Douglas Muir >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Proto-Superiors >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:19:10 -0400 > > > >> -- Have at least 15 Forces > > > >15? No way. 18, flat rate, IMO. You have to have maxxed out your current > >state to be eligible for the state change, it seems to me. > >Plausible, but canon's too fuzzy for me to be sure of this. > Not that fuzzy. Nybbas was a lowly peon demon when raised to Princehood; that doesn't equate to "powerful enough to have maxxed out to 18 forces on his own" to me. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:16:44 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Proto-Superiors At 10:32 AM -0400 7/22/01, Douglas Muir wrote: > >Heh. I'm working on something that assumes that, as a >>human, Lilith only has 15 personal Forces* (as opposed >>to Forces that came with the State Change), but for >>celestials I think that 18's a good call. > >[thumps head] I almost forgot. > >Furfur. > >[flips through FT] Yah. 15 Forces at the time of his elevation, and not >all that heavy on Skills and Songs and whatnot either. So the thing is at >least possible. Furfur was never a proto-Superior. Which is why it came as such a shock to Belial when he became a full Prince. Lucifer can give a Principality to anyone Lucifer damn well pleases. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Impudite of Secrets -- or Mercurian of Revelation (candidate for the Word of Obscurity) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:38:17 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: IN> War Faction Attunement On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:50:59 -0700 (PDT), Maurice Lane wrote: Damn it, moe, you beat me to it! :) - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:17:12 -0700 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Attunements & Rites My 2 cents: > Jordi: > > Cloak of the Natural World This duplicates the effect of the Celestial Song of Beasts, which is cheaper Essence-wise and doesn't require a prop.<<< Oh. I don't have the Liber Canticorum, so I didn't know. :) > Eyes in the Sky This one I like. One question; does flying animal include insects?<<< Sure! > Dragnet I wouldn't make this a separate Attunement -- how about just an expansion to Eyes in the Sky (extra Essence cost, more difficult roll, something like that).<<< Sounds good to me. > Deliver any type of death to a Servitor of Haagenti, > Magog, Mammon, > Vapula, or Belial (+3 Essence). Haagenti, Belial and Vapula I understand, and Magog I suppose because of the cruelty to animals thing. Why Mammon?<<< Because the Word of Greed inspires people to want to destroy the natural world to satisfy their own economic greed. > Convince 100 people to take violent action on behalf of > animals. This also seems more demonic to me.<<< I had gotten the impression that Jordi's Malakim sort of do this anyway, so I thought that it made sense as a rite. :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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