From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jul 24 15:46:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16536 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:46:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA07812 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:44:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:44:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200107242044.PAA07812@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2317 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, July 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2317 In this digest: IN> I found the yoghurt Re: IN> Kobal: Alt Band Attunement. Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons RE: IN> Banzai Kitten's Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> I found the yoghurt Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> Resonances for angels of the Waters Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's Re: IN> Proto-Superiors 2 -- Inheritance Re: IN> NOT Iron Rev III Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons IN> IN COPIED IN> Iron Rev III: To hell with the Main Book Rule! Re: IN> Banzai Kittens RE: IN> IN COPIED Re: IN> IN COPIED Re: IN> Kobal: Alt Band Attunement. Re: IN> Banzai Kittens Re: IN> Re: Kobal Re: IN> IN COPIED Re: IN> Banzai Kitten's Re: IN> Iron Rev III entry... Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: IN> At last, my Iron Rev III entry. Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's IN> Cats and Dogs who makes a better soldier RE: IN> Iron Rev III: To hell with the Main Book Rule! Re:IN> Princely Family Trees RE: IN> Bonsai Kitten's Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) IN> Possibly New Discord: Bad Dubbing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:26:08 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> I found the yoghurt My sincere compliments on an amusing and well-crafted work (and I like the seed, too). (Hey, Moe! Hint: it's where I would have hidden it myself.) Janet * * * * Beware the anger of a patient bard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Kobal: Alt Band Attunement. - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Here are some Alternative Dark Humor Band Attunements > which are more then added Rites: I like the Balseraph, Calabite and Impudite Attunements - -- very consistent. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons - --- cassandra benner wrote: > well the germans would have the doodle bug, or from the > dark ages a great > axe. > > the Polish have a very very very big two handed sword. > > the welsh have the welsh longbow (7ft when uncurved). Australian Aborigines get the boomerang. Not the toy that returns when thrown; that deadly blunt instrument balanced for throwing that's lethal out to about 50 feet. The Masai have a similar weapon called a rungu, which is also used as a simple club. Several African peoples use multi-bladed throwing irons that look _very_ intimidating. These are known by a variety of names; hungamunga, kpinga and shongo are the most common. Ancient Polynesians had a kind of knife called a lei o mano, a wooden blade whose edge was lined with shark's teeth. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:36:40 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Banzai Kitten's Moe "Hmmm. Triads are the default for Dominic's Servitors. Dominic's kitten arguably has at least the same rights as one of his Servitors. Therefore, the kitten must have honorary membership in a Triad, right? No, wait, Bronwen isn't in a Triad... unless she and the kitten are in _Dominic's_ Triad. Oh, dear." Lane Now, that's funny. Could you picture the look on a servitor of Wind's face when he first sees the kitten. "Oh, hello little one." "Mew" "Pardon me, are you Jayhiel, Ofanite servitor of Wind?" "Yeah, and this is my hetero-lifemate....Holy s#!+!!! Your Polebu... I mean Dominic's blackwing. Hey I thought you took a vow of silence or some shit like that." "He did, but everyone in my ranks does duty on a Triad." "Oh s#!+, it's polebu.. I mean, Greetings Archangel" "Anyway as I was saying. and this is my hetero lifemate Bobiel the Silent, Cherub of Lightning in service to Wind" "...." Hand raised to wave a hello. "We would like to ask you a few questions regarding your participation in the destruction of a media-based game show recently" Well, that is all for now. God I love Mallrats. Snoogins, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:49:06 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons Oh and lets not forget the samurai stuff, the katana, the naganata (that the right spelling?), the rice flail etc and i do believe that in the land of beth there is something alluded to as - -Iolanthe-, which from all reports is a very dangerous thing all together, arms, teeth, trout like shape, and so forth... And then theres the Scimitar from there its from, the khopesh from (egypt?). All of these are pretty badass i would say as they stick out in my mind. Hmnm, i got side tracked.. who does this guy work for? i think he might have a good usage to david as well.. teaching them how to handle melee situations... Heh, then we get in to the fantays weapons.. the hoopak, the brandistock, the kyriotate in a gnome, the kryiotate of flowers in a tree being swung by a stony. >Ancient Polynesians had a kind of knife called a lei o >mano, a wooden blade whose edge was lined with shark's teeth. >Michael Walton Toodles Cass *where you come from is gone, where you're going was never there, and where you are aint no good unless you can get away from it* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk http://communities.msn.co.uk/ADD _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I found the yoghurt - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > My sincere compliments on an amusing and > well-crafted work (and I like the > seed, too). > > (Hey, Moe! Hint: it's where I would have hidden it > myself.) Umm... I actually worked it out, too: I just haven't had time yet to the seed the thumbs up. Well, I'm doing it now... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:19:57 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) Very nice, but wouldn't bacteria fall more under Novalis's Word? In human taxonomy, they are neither animals nor plants, but in their own kingdom, Prokaryotes, or even sometimes more than one kingdom, but in any case, they strongly resemble the first life-forms (or at least, more strongly than anything currently alive), and these were under Novalis's care, according to the timeline in the GMG. It can also be argued that they are more plant-like than animal-like, though you couldn't reach a clear conclusion on that one. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Very nice, but wouldn't bacteria fall more under > Novalis's > Word? She decided to be nice: Jordi almost never shows an interest, so when he does it should be encouraged as much as possible. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:30:14 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons - --On Monday, July 23, 2001 10:55 AM -0700 Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Maurice Lane wrote: >> >> --- Daniel Gallagher wrote: >> >> > How about an Israeli with a .50 Desert Eagle? >> >> I think that a tank would be more appropriate.* > > Israeli just screams "Uzi" IMHO. > *Hellishly* impressive if you know what that asthmatic sewing-machine noise means. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("I'll keep the M-16A, thanks.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:30:48 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Resonances for angels of the Waters A nice set of attunements. I suggest, though, that you make Aquatic Passage the Ophanite attunement, and make the Ophanite attunement into a distinction -- "Fog of Battle" you could call it. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:38:21 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons - --On Monday, July 23, 2001 1:09 PM -0500 Prodigal wrote: > Fighting him while near a group of Hong Kong action film fans would > be a bad idea, I think, since then he would be able to produce a > flying guillotine... I thought the flying guillotine was a moorish invention - a wooden circle 1-1.5m in diameter with one half of the inside arc inset with a razor-sharp blade, secured by two ropes. For use against mounted cavalry...secure the ropes to the trunk, wait in a tree until your enemy rode past, toss it over his head and torso... What's the oriental version? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Obscure Weapons/3) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:40:44 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons - --On Monday, July 23, 2001 6:33 PM +0000 cassandra benner wrote: > scottish have the claymore. You have to feel sorry for the first Romans to encounter the Scots. Imagine, two of them running back to their Centurion, nearly wetting themselves... "What did you find? How many men?" "No...we didn't....we didn't see any men. But their women are HUGE! And they throw TREES for FUN!!" Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Odd takes on history - just one more service I offer.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:44:35 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's - --On Monday, July 23, 2001 4:42 PM -0400 "S.D." wrote: > C'mon, can *you* see Jordi on a computer? 0;> Yes. Curled up on the monitor, napping, occasionally waking up to sharpen his claws against the sides. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("What? It's *warm* up there.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:47:09 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's - --On Monday, July 23, 2001 4:35 PM -0500 Prodigal wrote: > From: "Daiv" >> >> En Masse, they stream down through the gates of heaven, > > Shouldn't that have been "En Mice" instead? > > (Ow! Ow! Put the bat down! Ow!) > Now, attach the Stone of Triumph! Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:13:22 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Proto-Superiors 2 -- Inheritance > I SO like this. Well, thank you most kindly. (Phew! I was wondering if anyone had noticed poor Jahi.) >The method by which she expanded her Word to Superior class is choice. There have to be some others like that. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:40:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> NOT Iron Rev III - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > Mm -- I'm not a major fan of that rule. I tend to be > a depth-planner > (what Moe seems to categorize as 'High Concept' ) Hey, from my point of view _any_ kind of planning counts. I usually just grab an idea, short out the logical extreme regulators, tie back the safety valves and accelerate it to high speeds, relying on my catlike reflexes. I know, I know, this sort of attitude is why I was decreed by the list as having Ofanite/Calabite as my inner celestials... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:49:30 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons From: "Marc Bowden" > > I thought the flying guillotine was a moorish invention - a wooden > circle 1-1.5m in diameter with one half of the inside arc inset with > a razor-sharp blade, secured by two ropes. For use against mounted > cavalry...secure the ropes to the trunk, wait in a tree until your > enemy rode past, toss it over his head and torso... > > What's the oriental version? I've never seen it, but there is a HKA movie titled "Flying Guillotine." I recall the description being of a chain, at the end of which was a contraption designed to cut off the head of the person unfortunate enough to have it used against him. It looks like the producers may have found out about the Moorish weapon, and took artistic liberties with it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:53:36 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> IN COPIED i was just looking through another site and lo and behold i find a game soon to be released called ARCHANGEL http://www.visionarygames.com/ take a look, i think SJG might be getting coppied with out even noticing. The artwork does look very nice however. You folks decide. Toodles Cas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:09:41 -0400 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: IN> Iron Rev III: To hell with the Main Book Rule! DAMN THE MAN! Oh, wait, I'm the one running this contest. Well Damn the man anyway. From now on feel free to use whatever books you like, however if it's from outside the main book, put a page reference in parentheses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:24:36 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Banzai Kittens >I liked this (I'm possibly the only human being I know >that is allergic to cats but likes them anyway). No, me too on both counts. Janet Anderson (Given the assumption that both species are sentient and capable of making moral choices, would dogs or cats make better Soldiers? Of which side? Discuss.) * * * * Beware the anger of a patient bard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:43:35 -0600 From: "Julian Mensch" Subject: RE: IN> IN COPIED << i was just looking through another site and lo and behold i find a game soon to be released called ARCHANGEL... take a look, i think SJG might be getting coppied with out even noticing. >> It doesn't particulairly seem copied from IN to me. To be blunt, looking at their "Miracles" pre-release game, it seems very poorly done. The author talks extensively about research, but his actual facts seem very spotty. He lists "Ahuramazda" (no space) as a demon, and gives angels strage elemental powers. There's no hint of anything resembling IN Superiors, Songs, Words, Attunements or similar game concepts. There is also little hint of unique concepts or solid thematic structure. I'm not sure what to make of it, but frankly it looks kind of like a version of D&D designed to be used in Sunday Schools as an evangelical aide. I rather think it may be Judaic in character, however -- the core point of the game seems to be to protect "God's Chosen People" from their aggressive neighbours. In vaguely poor taste, certainly, but also accurate to the role of angels in that period. Anyway, I doubt it offers IN even a candle-flame's worth of competition. - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:56:03 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> IN COPIED >i was just looking through another site and lo and behold i find a game >soon to be released called ARCHANGEL > >http://www.visionarygames.com/ > >take a look, i think SJG might be getting coppied with out even noticing. Hmm, this has been released. I've just dowloaded a copy of the fast play rules - Miracles. From first glance it seems pretty different from In Nomine. Yes it is a game about Angels, but it is not In Nomine. The mechanics are different, the setting is restricted to a small period of history, the game concepts are widely different. I will read some more and pass on my thoughts. Ashley. Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:51:39 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Kobal: Alt Band Attunement. Thanks Rolland! This really gives me ideas of how to use Kobal & Co.! Jeffery :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:06:03 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Banzai Kittens Janet Anderson wrote: > (Given the assumption that both species are sentient and capable of > making moral choices, would dogs or cats make better Soldiers? Of > which side? Discuss.) Putting an apple from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil into the pet chow would get you two different kinds of Soldiers, both useful to both sides. Dogs would take order and discipline well, and would work well in organizations. Cats would be good at working solo, using their own initiative. In terms of human psychology, and speficially the Myers-Briggs personality classificationsystem, dogs would strongly tend to be SJ types, motivated by a sense of duty, while cats tend to be SP types, motivated by a desire for liberty. Dogs would appeal to Dominic and Asmodeus, Laurence and Baal; cats would appeal to Eli and Lilith, Janus and Valefor. And all over the celestial plane, you'd hear Jordi howling, "Oh, no, not AGAIN!" Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:27:54 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Kobal "Charles Phipps" wrote: > > Dark Humor in my opinion actually is the most dangerous Prince in hell > because really Kobal has no business being a Major Prince but serves > the position as the Court Jester of Hell and quite simply is the > smartest Prince among the entire lot of them. Truly do you honestly > believe Baal, Asmodeus, and perhaps even Lucifer really UNDERSTAND > their positions? Well, actually, yes. In my campaign, Baal knew (and in fact would admit to his more loyal servitors) that the demons were wrong, God was right, and that at the end of time he and the rest of the demonic horde would be defeated by the angels and cast into the lake of fire to burn forever as just punishment for their evil and their betrayal. He served Lucifer only because he had promised him he would follow him anywhere, and was unwilling to make that last, final oath-breaking that would surrender his honor and bring him redemption. He didn't even believe that Lucifer was worthy of even that much faith: he knew perfectly well that he was general of the armies of Hell only because Lucifer was trying to sleaze out of the prophecies of the Revelation of St. John by making /him/ the dragon of Revelation that Michael would defeat. Asmodeus OTOH was the wisest and coldest of the demons; he had a genuine moral understanding that no one could match; he had crafted the Game as a shield against divine law, and succeded so thoroughly that most humans and celestials were not even conscious of playing it when they rationalized their sins. Dominic collaborated with him not just because they both needed to keep control of lunatic celestials, but to ask him for advice. Consider the difference between Asmodeus and Dominic's distinctions: IMC Asmodeus had crafted them specifically to remind Dominic of his limitations. [Dominic took it despite knowing that Asmodeus's words always had triple and quadruple meanings, and were always intended to channel and manipulate his behavior. His own dissonance condition demanded that he never fail to consider the best advice given to him, no matter the source. Only the fact that he was inhumanly humble and pious had kept him from Falling.] > On some level I think only Kobal and Kronos truly comprehend God and > what the ultimate fate of the forces of Hell are....Kronos is > working to it I think but Kobal on the other hand...knows and > doesn't care. I always saw Kobal as being much /more/ knowledgeable about the whys and wherefores of Fate and damnation than Kronos. Kronos merely embodied Fate and oblivion, whereas Kobal had a real genius for understanding the entire downward spiral. Lucifer had taken away the job of leading mankind to damnation from Kobal as an object lesson, both to Kobal and to the other Fallen: it didn't matter if you were brilliant, because he could always find some humorless automaton to replace you. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:37:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN COPIED At 5:56 PM +0100 7/24/01, Omentide wrote: [ARCHANGEL] >>http://www.visionarygames.com/ >Hmm, this has been released. I've just dowloaded a copy of the fast play >rules - Miracles. From first glance it seems pretty different from In >Nomine. From skimming Miracles, I'd say that any similarities are superficial. (I.e., there's only so many ways you can name a skill "Acrobatics"...) That, and they've got the plurals used wrongly... O;> (Not to mention swapping between "she" as the generic pronoun and "they" as the 'singular-neuter' generic pronoun. Pick one! I don't care which! But pick one!) So I'm not worried. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:39:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Banzai Kitten's At 5:30 AM -0700 7/24/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >Moe "Hmmm. Triads are the default for Dominic's >Servitors. Dominic's kitten arguably has at least the >same rights as one of his Servitors. Therefore, the >kitten must have honorary membership in a Triad, >right? No, wait, Bronwen isn't in a Triad... unless >she and the kitten are in _Dominic's_ Triad. Oh, >dear." Lane Makes sense. Dominic is the Seraph (duh), Bronwen is the Other (Malakite), so the kitten gets to be the "Cherub." - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev III entry... - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Polite Club [sigh] OK, Moe, we'll go over it one more time. This is a spoon. This is a straw. We eat the yogurt with the spoon -- we don't snort it. Man, I both envy and fear you... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's - --- Daiv wrote: > The longest a Demon of cats has ever lasted was five > minutes. > Their work done, the Malacats return to heaven, and take their places in the Savannah. Real strange, Daiv. What's next -- Fall of the Malacats? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Gethel > Kyriotate Vassal of Animals > Angel of Plastics Moe, whatever it is that you've been smoking, I must get some. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > > --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > Very nice, but wouldn't bacteria fall more under > > Novalis's Word? Nope. Bacteria are animals. _Fungi_ are plants. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons - --- Marc Bowden wrote: > I thought the flying guillotine was a moorish invention Hmmm. I've never heard of the weapon you describe (Knowledge: Obscure Weapons/2). I have heard of the flying guillotine as an Oriental weapon, specifically an oversized tethered variant on chakram and shuriken. Probably invented by a Malakite of Creation after a few beers. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> At last, my Iron Rev III entry. - --- Manny Nepomuceno wrote: > "Winner Takes All" What a blargy idea! It's slappish stuff like this that makes this list worth reading -- it's, like, totally yoghurt! Dude, you the man, you're totally phantasmal! I'm not pulling a Munchausen, either -- you're cinderable! At the risk of sounding Winona, I think this is just _too_ Star Trek! I've taken up enough time, so I'll Saint Peter now. Frenchy! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's - --- Michael Walton wrote: > Real strange, Daiv. What's next -- Fall of the > Malacats? > (Fails Will roll) Da-da-da-da-dahhh! "MALA!" (Swish!) "MALA!" (Swish!) "MALAKATS ... HO!!!!!" (Swish and theme music, plus pretty light effects)*. Moe *Right, some of you are either too young or else not from my country. It's a cartoon reference (Thundercats, to be exact): one of those early 80s faux-anime shows. The plot wasn't much, but it had a cheetah-human female hybrid, so it didn't matter much. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:16:50 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: IN> Cats and Dogs who makes a better soldier (Given the assumption that both species are sentient and capable of making moral choices, would dogs or cats make better Soldiers? Of which side? Discuss.) After thinkng about this for all of three seconds. Dogs and Cats are capable of serving either side. Dogs tend to be better as front-line shock troops because of their pack mentality, but I see cats as being something more along the lines of Covert Ops(second only to the butterfly, because nobody suspects the butterfly Mwahaha, sorry I was channeling Bart there.) Which side they serve on would mostly be an aspect of training. I tend to think that cats would be more likely to switch sides (either way)due to their independent nature, but dogs would need something tragic to switch their loyalties. As soldiers in the all around military sense I see dogs as the superior animal, as used in the war between Heaven and Hell I see cats as being more effective, but more of a pain to control. Dave I love dogs, but I respect cats. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:06:35 +0800 From: "Manny Nepomuceno" Subject: RE: IN> Iron Rev III: To hell with the Main Book Rule! Doh. Well, I'm glad that my post started something. "Winner Take All" is still my official Iron Rev III entry. I actually had more fun thinking up "Dude, Where's My Yoghurt?", but *scratches head* well, them's the breaks. :) OoOoOo! I just found the yoghurt! *twitches happily* :) Manny Neps p.s. Does anyone else get that weird feeling about the word "yoghurt"? The one where if you write it down enough times, you actually start thinking about how weird the word really is? p.p.s. Dude. p.p.p.s. Sweet. > DAMN THE MAN! Oh, wait, I'm the one running this contest. Well > Damn the man > anyway. > > From now on feel free to use whatever books you like, however if it's from > outside the main book, put a page reference in parentheses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:48:04 -0700 From: Anthony Damiani Subject: Re:IN> Princely Family Trees > > I think you're wrong. The only demon prince to have 'farmed' more > > than one prince is Belial, whose ranks produced Haagenti, Furfur, and > > Demogorgon. Sure, he's not directly responsible for their ascentions, and > > in Demogorgon's case actually stopped it, but whatever he's doing, he's > > churning out some powerful servitors.... >...who hate his guts! the ability to create powerful enemies isn't wise. >Promoting friends to Princehood is; both Kobal & Kronos are at the centre of >power blocks created by promotions. Wise? No. I don't think that was ever an adjective applied to Belial. I don't think he's doing it intentionally. I think there's something about the way he runs his organization that promotes the growth of servitors to ambitious 'proto-superior' status. I don't think he plans it at all. Fire spreads uncontrollably... Which is part of the reason why we now have this godawful mess of overlap between Harcore/Fire/Gluttony/Lust/Greed over desire, consumption and excess.... >Interesting thought - would Belial have gained dissonance for creating those >three demons? he's certainly been burnt by his own plans! Hah! I love it! > Which may be one >reason why Michael was so pragmatic about Furfur's ascension. To tell you the truth, I've never really been very clear on how superior dissonance functions. I don't understand how the impudite princes aren't drowning in discord because their servitors are killing people. Sure, they tend to frown on that, but it's not like it's utterly verboten for, say, Calabim of the Media or Lust to crush a few skulls now and then.... shouldn't Nybbas and Andre be taking dissonance from that? What about Lawrence's oath never to allow an evil to live when it's his choice? The classic way out is for there to be countervailing orders from a superior, but Lawrence is the Commander of the Armies of God; having no superior to forbid him, shouldn't he be taking dissonance from not incinerating all sinners in a fiery Armageddon? For that matter, would, say, David only take one point of dissonance from hitting somebody first, or does it represent a greater betrayal of his intrinsic nature than it would for his servitors? While I'm on the topic... are the superiors even meaningfully members of their original choirs and bands? If so, shouldn't Kronos showing up as a little old man celestially instead of a dark winged snake be kind of a tip that, y'know, he's kinda not a Balseraph? -ALD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:46:27 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Bonsai Kitten's (Fails Will roll) Da-da-da-da-dahhh! "MALA!" (Swish!) "MALA!" (Swish!) "MALAKATS ... HO!!!!!" (Swish and theme music, plus pretty light effects)*. Moe *Right, some of you are either too young or else not from my country. It's a cartoon reference (Thundercats, to be exact): one of those early 80s faux-anime shows. The plot wasn't much, but it had a cheetah-human female hybrid, so it didn't matter much. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:52:25 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Ethnic Badass Weapons From: "Michael Walton" > > --- Marc Bowden wrote: > > I thought the flying guillotine was a moorish invention > > Hmmm. I've never heard of the weapon you describe > (Knowledge: Obscure Weapons/2). I have heard of the flying > guillotine as an Oriental weapon, specifically an oversized > tethered variant on chakram and shuriken. Probably > invented by a Malakite of Creation after a few beers. The only picture I've managed to find is at http://www.hkmdb.com/hkmec/ads-bw/photo/FlyingGuillotinePartII+1978-1-b.jpg I think this more than qualifies, and I could even see Kyahiel thinking "This *again*?" after using his Word attunement around the right (or wrong, depending on viewpoint) people. On a side note, he definitely has Moe's Variable Gravity Field attunement. Which reminds me; I have to start working on his demonic rival, since the urge to use them in Iron Rev III is all but overwhelming... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:03:56 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) Michael Walton wrote: > Nope. Bacteria are animals. _Fungi_ are plants. Says what Archangel? I like Moe's answer that Novalis let Jordi have that Word under his because she wanted to encourage him to come out of his shell. According to current, mundane, mortal biology, bacteria aren't in the animal kingdom, but in the prokaryote kingdom (or one like it), and fungi aren't in the plant kingdom, but have their own kingdom. Modern kingdom boundaries tend to be drawn according to cellular anatomy. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:25:15 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Possibly New Discord: Bad Dubbing I'm sure that somebody has probably done this before, but I felt a need to take a stab at it... Corporeal Discord: Bad Dubbing This discord most commonly manifests among demons of the Media (particularly in Asia,) but those serving Dark Humor run the closest of seconds (largely due to Kobal taking grim amusement in forcing it upon those among his servitors who don't know when to shut up around him.) The celestial suffering from this discord finds that the movements of its mouth do not match what it is actually saying. While this has the useful side effect of adding its level to the celestial's skill at the Corporeal song of Tongues (if the celestial knows it,) few of those suffering from it find the resulting trade-off of being more easily misunderstood in all languages worth the cost. Also, although this is a corporeal discord, it affects all forms of non-written communication used by the one suffering from it. Level 1: The celestial's voice changes, either rising (if in of favoring a female vessel) or lowering (if in of favoring a male vessel) one octave from its normal tone whenever speaking. The message conveyed in the celestial's words remains almost completely unchanged (except for slurred pronunciation of some letters,) with perhaps one word in ten not being heard as the celestial is trying to say it. Level 2: In addition to the effects of level 1, the celestial's lips no longer match the words spoken. The words heard by any listeners will either end at least one second before the words they hear, or continue one second longer. The celestial also now speaks with the pronounced accent (which usually does not match the ethnic group that the celestial's vessel is modeled after.) Level 3: Entire sections of what the celestial is trying to tell any listeners begin to creep into its speech, with its lips moving further out of synch with what it says. Level 4: The effects of the discord now affect the celestial's Ethereal form. Level 5: The effects of the discord now effect the celestial's Celestial form. Level 6: The celestial now speaks in sentences no longer than two or three words, no matter how complex a message it is trying to convey, and what few words it does manage to say can only be understood by making a Perception-4 roll. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2317 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.