From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jul 26 11:39:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18290 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:39:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id LAA16224 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:38:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:38:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200107261638.LAA16224@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2319 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2319 In this digest: Re: IN> Possibly New Discord: Bad Dubbing Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) Re: IN>Kobal (was Perdix) Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? Re: IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? Re: Dark Humor [was Re: IN> Proto-Superior: Perdix, Demon of Despair] Re: Dark Humor [was Re: IN> Proto-Superior: Perdix, Demon of Despair] IN> Kobal's Trial (was Re: Dark Humor) Re: IN> Iron Rev III: Lying with Statistics IN> Need a little help Re: IN> Need a little help Re: IN> Need a little help Re: IN> Need a little help RE: IN> Need a little help Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's Re: IN> Banzai Kittens Re: IN> Re: Dogs & Cats as Soldiers Re: IN> New Attunements Re: IN> Iron Rev III: Excessive (s)Wordage IN> Fwd: Two Things from PK Fwd: Re: IN> Need a little help IN> New Attunement: "Your Kung Fu Is Weak!" IN> Re: Time-Travel Re: IN> Re: Time-Travel Re: IN> Banzai Kittens Re: IN> New Attunement: "Your Kung Fu Is Weak!" IN> Everyone Loves Belial #1: The Prophecy IN> Stupid human tricks Re: IN> Stupid human tricks IN> Re: New Attunements IN> Re: Cephalopod Vessels Re: IN> New Attunements Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's Re: IN> Banzai Kittens IN> [OT] My time, at hand IN> Interesting Documentary on BBC 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Possibly New Discord: Bad Dubbing - --- Prodigal wrote: > From: "Maurice Lane" > > Don't forget the Angel of Your Kung Fu is WEAK! > > (Malakite of Destiny, I'd say). > > I always planned on leaving him to you, actually. > :;:p Hmmm. I think that I'll let that one ferment for a few days... Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) - --- Eric Bertish wrote: > > Moe, whatever it is that you've been smoking, I > must get some. > > No no no. It's not smoking that does it (tho he > *does* smoke. Nasty little > habit, that, and hopefully his Archangel girlfriend > will cure him of it toot > sweet). Bah. You should see me when I _don't_ have nicotine to calm me down. > He manufactures his own psychoactive drugs with > glands located inside his > tongue. That's why, when the madness is upon him > most deeply, he begins to > slur and mumble his words. > > I think it's a skin graft from one of those > hallucinogenic desert toads. OB/IN: would the Angel of Psychoactive Toads be of Animals, or Stone? Animals would be the logical choice, yes, but consider: David's dissonance requirements wouldn't be a problem for such an entity at all, considering how the Word might manifest itself: an ambitious angel might do well to switch Superiors... How to ensure that one's foes lick one's skin in combat is left as an exercise for the interested student. Moe "Kiss the frog, baby" Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Kobal (was Perdix) - --- Emily Dresner-Thornber wrote: > She was killed by a straw man! Get it? Get it? Oh, we get it. We just don't want it (groan). 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:37:55 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) >OB/IN: would the Angel of Psychoactive Toads be of >Animals, or Stone? These are the choices? I would have said, "Would the Demon of Psychoactive Toads be of Drugs, or Hardcore?" Janet Anderson * * * * Beware the anger of a patient bard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:25:45 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: New Angel (Was: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's) From: "Maurice Lane" > > How to ensure that one's foes lick one's skin in > combat is left as an exercise for the interested > student. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:51:47 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? I was hoping to get some work done on the NPCs I'm writing up, but because I don't have access to any books this is pretty difficult. Is there a character generator for In Nomine that at least has the names of the skills, songs, attunements and such? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:51:47 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? I was hoping to get some work done on the NPCs I'm writing up, but because I don't have access to any books this is pretty difficult. Is there a character generator for In Nomine that at least has the names of the skills, songs, attunements and such? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:51:47 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? I was hoping to get some work done on the NPCs I'm writing up, but because I don't have access to any books this is pretty difficult. Is there a character generator for In Nomine that at least has the names of the skills, songs, attunements and such? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:51:47 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? I was hoping to get some work done on the NPCs I'm writing up, but because I don't have access to any books this is pretty difficult. Is there a character generator for In Nomine that at least has the names of the skills, songs, attunements and such? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:03:29 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Character generator software with songs/skills/etc? Sorry for the multiple copies of that; my SMTP server appears to be throwing a fit ATM. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:08:26 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: Re: Dark Humor [was Re: IN> Proto-Superior: Perdix, Demon of Despair] On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:44:33 -0500 (EST), Emily Dresner-Thornber wrote: >I'm surprised that's still online, frankly. :) Why not? It's a master work. - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:30:16 -0300 (ADT) From: Philip Vincent Barkow Subject: Re: Dark Humor [was Re: IN> Proto-Superior: Perdix, Demon of Despair] On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Daniel Sauve wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:44:33 -0500 (EST), Emily Dresner-Thornber > wrote: > > >I'm surprised that's still online, frankly. :) > Why not? It's a master work. Well, if I may make an intuitive leap, I'd say that the reason it might not be online any longer is that its hosted on the servers of a university which no longer attended by its illustrious author. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:37:19 -0700 From: Kish Subject: IN> Kobal's Trial (was Re: Dark Humor) Daniel Sauve wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:44:33 -0500 (EST), Emily Dresner-Thornber > wrote: > > >I'm surprised that's still online, frankly. :) > Why not? It's a master work. It truly is. - -- Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:40:04 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev III: Lying with Statistics Earl wrote: <> The yoghurt's a fad. Doing this shows the power of the Media even more over those miserable little monkeys. I figure that yoghurt rates around "Big Hair" on the demonic scale, and a contender for that Word was mentioned in Superiors 4... Guiness isn't acting rationally. He sees his nemesis doing something and takes steps to make sure it blows up in his face. Technically, the only part of his report that would be considered lying is the summary, where his interpretation would be stated. Statistics depends entirely on the assumptions taken. Taking different assumptions, you can prove just about anything with different data sets. Statistics is a really bad, bad, bad Word for a Seraph to have. Sam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:43:50 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: IN> Need a little help I was wondering if there is a good resource to get celestial type names. I have access to Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary, but I need something that allows me to do a reverse look-up. I always have an idea as to what the name should mean, just no way to find out names along those lines. Any help would be appreciated. Beloved ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:08:02 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Need a little help "Adams, David" wrote: > I was wondering if there is a good resource to get celestial type names. I > have access to Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary, but I need something that > allows me to do a reverse look-up. I always have an idea as to what the > name should mean, just no way to find out names along those lines. Any help > would be appreciated. One of these days I'll make that thing reversable. In my copious amounts of spare time, of course. You could try Googling for "baby name dictionary lookup" and see if anyone else has the search running the other way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:19:03 -0400 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: Re: IN> Need a little help Try this one, it's organized by Choir, Band, or Archangel. You can also do an internal find (usually under the "Edit" menu of your browser) for a particular word and it will find occurrences of that word which may help. Can do the same search on the online Hitchcock dictionary. http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Resources/Servitornames.html "Adams, David" wrote: > I was wondering if there is a good resource to get celestial type names. I > have access to Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary, but I need something that > allows me to do a reverse look-up. I always have an idea as to what the > name should mean, just no way to find out names along those lines. Any help > would be appreciated. > > Beloved ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:33:18 -0400 From: "Robb Kidd" Subject: Re: IN> Need a little help >"Adams, David" wrote: >> I was wondering if there is a good resource to get celestial type names. I >> have access to Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary, but I need something that >> allows me to do a reverse look-up. I always have an idea as to what the >> name should mean, just no way to find out names along those lines. Any help >> would be appreciated. > > "Amanda Kilgore" wrote: > > [...] You can also do an internal find (usually under the "Edit" menu of your > browser) for a particular word and it will find occurrences of that word > which may help. Can do the same search on the online Hitchcock dictionary. [smacks forehead] Of course. The commandline grep is particularly handy for this. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:38:06 -0400 From: "Adams, David" Subject: RE: IN> Need a little help From: Amanda Kilgore Try this one, it's organized by Choir, Band, or Archangel. You can also do an internal find (usually under the "Edit" menu of your browser) for a particular word and it will find occurrences of that word which may help. Can do the same search on the online Hitchcock dictionary. Thanx, Amanda and Robb. I need to play with the internet, not on it. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:19:25 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Maurice Lane writes: > (Fails Will roll) > Da-da-da-da-dahhh! > "MALA!" (Swish!) > "MALA!" (Swish!) > "MALAKATS ... HO!!!!!" (Swish and theme music, plus > pretty light effects)*. > *lofts sword with neato searchlight powers* > Moe > > *Right, some of you are either too young or else not > from my country. It's a cartoon reference > (Thundercats, to be exact): one of those early 80s > faux-anime shows. The plot wasn't much, but it had a > cheetah-human female hybrid, so it didn't matter much. That and Snarf, who had more problems with proper nouns and verbs than the Smurfs. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:15:25 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Banzai Kittens On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:24:36 +0000 "Janet Anderson" writes: > (Given the assumption that both species are sentient and capable of > making > moral choices, would dogs or cats make better Soldiers? Of which > side? > Discuss.) Depends on your intent. Dogs are slavishly loyal when properly trained, thanks to that pack instinct. On the other hand, cats have always struck me as somewhat more creative - capable of getting spots you'd swear they'd have to TELEPORT to get to, etc. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:32:13 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Re: Dogs & Cats as Soldiers On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Michael Walton writes: > > Not quite accurate, there. Cephalopods have independent > control over each individual sucker on their tentacles, > which allows for some really fine manipulation. If they > were sentient tool-users, they'd be capable of some really > scary stuff. > Hmm... IN Mare Imbrium -- demons with cephalopod Vessels... Squid and Cthulhlu and Mind Flayers, oh my! - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:34:02 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> New Attunements On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:38:04 -0400 Marc Bowden writes: > I bet the Commander of the Host is just darling in that green > pixie > hat. He probably hasn't had the time to properly practice the ocarina, though. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:27:39 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev III: Excessive (s)Wordage >Puzzle? >i put a puzzle on the group? >dang thats the first time i done that and not noticed, unless you mean >spelling mistakes that is. :^| Probably someone else and I can't remember who, then. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:44:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: Two Things from PK >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:07:17 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 4 >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:18:16 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" >Subject: Two Things from PK > > >And a one: > >I'm out of town for vacation for a week, so I'm temporarily u n s u b scribing. >If any of ya need me for anything, just email me directly and I'll get >back to you when I'm back in town. > >And a two: > >I'm abandoning the In Nomine Casting Call, due to recieving LESS THAN TEN >nomination entries! I guess I vastly overestimated how much interest there >was in this banned topic. S'cool... I have a new gaming group and new In >Nomine campaign to run the day after I get back, so I'm happy as hell >regardless. :) > >See ya in seven! > >-- >Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! > Meow! >Q: How many roleplayers does it A: 3d6 > take to change a light bulb? > - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:45:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Need a little help >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:12:20 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /^\s*help\s*$/i at line 7 (I.e., there was a line that started with "help" -- I think. --Beth) >From: "Erich S. Arendall" >Subject: Re: IN> Need a little help >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:13:11 -0500 > >> I was wondering if there is a good resource to get celestial type names. I >> have access to Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary, but I need something that >> allows me to do a reverse look-up. I always have an idea as to what the >> name should mean, just no way to find out names along those lines. Any help >> would be appreciated. > >A Dictionary of Angels, by Gustav Davidson is probably one of the best >listings of angelic names and angels by their Words. However, if you are >looking at developing names from scratch, then I'd suggest a Hebrew >dictionary or something of that nature. Or, for a really complete bookshelf, >pick up both. Of all my books on angels, Davidson's book is always my first >pick off the shelf. It's available at amazon.com for 15.95... > >Cordially, >Erich S. Arendall >Demon of No Such Thing As Too Many Dice >Impudite of The Game > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:51:56 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: IN> New Attunement: "Your Kung Fu Is Weak!" "Your Kung Fu Is Weak!" (Eli. Also given, under different names, by David, Laurence, Michael. Anyone want to list the Infernals? :) This attunement requires that the Angel using it be attacked first. By dodging/ blocking, or otherwise avoiding or countering the attack, and then taunting his foe, the Angel gains a bounce to his fighting skill. The Attunement requires a Will roll. The GM should modify this according to how creative and appraite the taunt is. On a sucess, the user gets a bonus to /all/ fighting skills equal to his CD for the duration of this fight. A /failed/ roll decresses your effective skill by the CD. (First attempt, comments please) - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:06:13 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Time-Travel >Uh - can Servitors of Time to ANYTHING other than fight Kronos? If not, what >are they for? Sure, they can drink beers with their buds, play Nintendo, go on a cross time tour through all the greatest parties in history, roast marshmallows, read a good novel, twiddle their thumbs, etc. I mean, basically, your question is like asking if normal angels can do anything besides fighting demons. Servitors of Time can do just as much as normal angels can do ... and then some. To everyone, thanks for the comments. It's amazing how you can post something once on the list and get no response, and then dig it out again for a fanfare. All about the timing, I suppose. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:14:02 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Time-Travel To everyone, thanks for the comments. It's amazing how you can post >something once on the list and get no response, and then dig it out again >for a fanfare. All about the timing, I suppose. > >Later. >Jonathan Does this mean we might see the Kronos DP of Paradox write-up you mentioned if there was enough interest? Hopefully yours, Jeffery :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Banzai Kittens - --- damienw@juno.com wrote: > On the other hand, cats have always struck > me as somewhat more creative - capable of getting spots > you'd swear they'd > have to TELEPORT to get to, etc. Cats don't have a monopoly on that by any means. I've had two dogs who figured out how to open doors, and one who developed his own patrol pattern for guarding the house at night (including finding a station where an intruder couldn't get to any of the bedrooms without going through him). Then there's the apocryphal story of the dachshund who somehow managed to get on top of the washing machine -- apparently there was a sandwich left up there, and the dog was highly motivated. But I can't confirm the truth of this one. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Attunement: "Your Kung Fu Is Weak!" - --- Daniel Sauve wrote: > "Your Kung Fu Is Weak!" > (Eli. Also given, under different names, by David, > Laurence, Michael. Anyone want to list the Infernals? :) Baal, of course. And Kobal -- definitely Kobal. > This attunement requires that the Angel using it be > attacked first. By dodging/ > blocking, or otherwise avoiding or countering the attack, > and then taunting his > foe, the Angel gains a bounce to his fighting skill. I assume you mean, "bonus?" ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:22:46 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Everyone Loves Belial #1: The Prophecy Okay. So I promised that one day, _one day_, I'd get Maurice Lane to like Belial. Moe's reply was, and I quote, "Bring it on!" The gauntlet, then, has been thrown. So I pondered. How best to seduce one of In Nomine's finest heretics to the love of the Demon Prince of Fire? Heresy, undoubtedly. But how? How? Well, it'll be a difficult task, I'm sure. One try will probably not be sufficient. So here I present the first in a series of attempts at getting Moe to realize that Belial is really a cuddly little bundle of joy. Well, maybe not, but I figure that Belial can only get _better_ in Moe's eyes. Everyone Loves Belial: Attempt #1 The Prophecy & the Ofanite A long, long, long, long time ago, before the wind, before the snow, lived a man, lived a man I know, lived a freak of nature named Belial, Ofanite of Divine Fire.* Created by Gabriel in that dark primordial time when Words weren't clearly defined & Archangels hung out with the proletariat, Belial _was_ Fire. Maybe not as much as Gabriel was, sure, but there was no denying that, as one of Gabe's first Ofanim, Belial felt an extremely close connection to the Word he served. In Belial's mind, there was a nice dialectic made by the balance of himself and Gabriel; the Archangel embodied all the warm, bright, and mysterious aspects of Fire, while the lesser Wheel focused instead on the punitive, destructive, consuming, painful, obsessive, burning, unstoppable, madness-inducing, less-than-subtle, in-your-face, rampaging, holocaust of flame that Fire could occasionally be. In those early days before the Fall, when there was no "evil" in Heaven, no one batted an eye when Belial chose to see his Word as a destructive force of choas and death. After all, God Himself created the universe with choas and death in it, so they too had a place in the Divine Plan. Belial could go on imagining that he and Gabriel were brothers and comrades, sharing the Word of Fire and embodying its twin aspects. Like Blandine and Beleth, the two angelic lovers of flame could guide their Word with compassion, duty, and cooperation. Of course, Gabriel didn't really see things that way at all. And no one (except Belial) was surprised when the Almighty decided to firm up this whole "Word" business and made Gabriel the sole holder of the Word of Fire. After all, Gabriel was one of the first angels created by God; Belial was not. Gabe was a prophet, with a direct connection to the Divine that even Yves couldn't match; Belial was not. Gabriel was a raging force of nature, the being who had lit the sun and made magma to burn in the heart of the earth; Belial, truth be told, was a fairly minor Ofanite in Gabriel's service. No matter how much Belial liked to think of himself as Gabriel's equal or favored companion, it was clear to everyone else that ... well, that just didn't reflect the reality of the situation. Still, Belial served Gabriel with a zeal that was remarkable. Though he could no longer live under the delusion that he _was_ Fire, or even embodied a part of it, Belial still burned with all the passion an Ofanite is capable of. It wasn't long before his energy and hard work caught the attention of his immediate superior, who, in turn, commened his to Gabriel (the chain of command and commend was much shorter in those days). A meeting was soon arranged. Sure, Gabe remembered Belial. He remembered _all_ his children, but an Archangel's position was a busy one and Gabriel's time for personal interaction was limited. So when Belial strolled into the Volcano's inner chambers one bright 3000 degree morning, it was the first time in a while that the two were face to face. Strangely enough, despite good intentions on the part of all parties, things didn't go well. The very moment he glimpsed Belial, Gabriel went into a trance and witnessed a private vision broadcast direct from the Godhead. Just what the vision contained, no one but the Archangel will ever know, but it evidently had something to do with the future of the Belial-Gabriel relationship, specifically what would take place after the Fall. "Belial!" spaketh Gabriel, an essence-filled froth erupting from the Archangel's celestial mouth. "Prince of the Mountain of Flame, Lighter of the Pit of Darkness, Fire, oh Fire! Why did you take it from me, why?! Oh, traitor! Lackey of Lucifer! Do you think the two of you can steal my Fire?! Light and Destruction do not a Fire make! Etc. Etc. Etc!" Now, Belial and the rest present were, as you can imagine, rather perplexed and disturbed by this entire event. Taking charge, Soldekai politely asked Belial to leave (since it was the Ofanite's presence that triggered the painful vision) while they calmed Gabriel down, recorded the prophecy, and mulled over what it might mean. Instead of having a personal conversation with his Archangel, Belial was hurried out and left to wander about the Volcano. Of course, with the extra time on his hands, Belial tried to try his own hand at prophecy interpretation. What he came up with was a series of basic conclusions: 1. Gabriel foresaw that, one day, Belial would hold the Word of Fire. 2. Gabriel also saw Belial ruling the Volcano ("Prince of the Mountain of Flame") 3. Lucifer, the Archangel of Light, would somehow help Belial achieve both these things. 4. Belial's own ascension to Archangel of Fire would be a glorious event, the one light of hope in a time of trouble ("Lighter of the Pit of Darkness") Now, these conclusions were more than a little unsettling. They forced Belial to do some serious thinking, something he normally avoided. Belial loved Gabriel with his entire little Ofanite heart, but the Archangel was still only a hand of the Almighty, to which Belial owed his true allegiance and absolute loyalty. Now, God, through Gabriel, had made it known that Belial would someday replace the Archangel of Fire. The Ineffable Plan had gotten very, very strange indeed. With the prophecy firmly in Belial's head, the Ofanite's seduction by Lucifer was disgustingly easy. Belial told the Lightbringer what Gabriel had said and Lucifer, being Lucifer, explained it completely. It was obvious that God meant for Belial to join the Archangel of Light in his revolt against the Metatron and its supporters. Gabriel was, regrettably, on the other side, but when Lucifer triumphed, Belial would become the Archangel of Fire, as God had prophesied through Gabriel. Of course, things didn't work out that way. Turns out God didn't actually want Belial to replace Gabriel. The new Calabite Prince of Fire found himself ruler of his own "mountain of flame" in Sheol, creating the infamous burning fires of Hell ("lit the Pit"), and it was all because of Lucifer. Truth be told, he's still recovering from the shock of being so completely wrong. *apologies to the RHCP. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:37:03 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Stupid human tricks Here's a story that has to inspire ideas in the mind of any Kobalite, and might even get Kobal himself to crack a smile: http://www.plastic.com/article.pl?sid=01/07/24/1332223 - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:52:48 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Stupid human tricks > Here's a story that has to inspire ideas in the mind of any Kobalite, > and might even get Kobal himself to crack a smile: The more I see that, the more I think we don't need laws to protect people from things like this. Let em die and make room for smart people. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:47:31 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: New Attunements > - --On Tuesday, July 24, 2001 4:54 PM -0500 EDG > wrote: >Red Goes Fasta' This one is going into my 'Charlie's Lilim' Campaign. Thanks. > >> Sword Shooting (Laurence) >> >> The moral here? Never introduce a War-faction Archangel to video >> games. Do you get extra Vessels for killing a specified number of demons? :-) Nice one. Every now and again, I wonder what would happen if a Superior felt the need to prove that they weren't old fashioned/past it. thank you for showing me. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:42:09 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Cephalopod Vessels > From: Michael Walton wrote: > > - --- james walker wrote: >> My home-grown rule is that any animal vessel >> includes (animals >> total Forces) levels of permanent NC, and a base penalty >> of -5 to Precision >> based tasks [humans have NC(Fine Manipulators)/5; other >> animals eg primates, octopodes can have 1 or 2 levels]. > > Not quite accurate, there. Cephalopods have independent > control over each individual sucker on their tentacles, > which allows for some really fine manipulation. If they > were sentient tool-users, they'd be capable of some really > scary stuff. > Hmm... IN Mare Imbrium -- demons with cephalopod Vessels... Jordi's Seraphim are supposed to be hunting demons under the waves - care to whip up some vessel descriptions for Technologists using cephalopod Vessel to construct Vappy's latest Super Weapon? It's worth noting that large amounts of machinery was sent from the US to the UK during WWII, and large amounts of it was sunk, so using wrecked ships as bases for Tech in the Atlantic would be ideal. (Creative work by Shedim during the war would allow for 'custom sinking' so that the ships are conveniently located to supplies & each other - probably in 'E-boat alley' between Ireland and Brittany). James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:02:28 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> New Attunements >> I bet the Commander of the Host is just darling in that green >> pixie hat. > > He probably hasn't had the time to properly practice the ocarina, >though. Does that mean Laurence is the missing Link? :) (Of course, now I have an image of Laurence doing that thing in Zelda 2 where you'd leap into the air and come down leading with your sword; I always called that thing the "pogo stick of doom" :)). - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:10:43 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Bonsai Kitten's >> (Fails Will roll) >> Da-da-da-da-dahhh! >> "MALA!" (Swish!) >> "MALA!" (Swish!) >> "MALAKATS ... HO!!!!!" (Swish and theme music, plus >> pretty light effects)*. > > *lofts sword with neato searchlight powers* Would that be a relic with Celestial Song of Tongues and the Song of Sight? :) >> *Right, some of you are either too young or else not >> from my country. It's a cartoon reference >> (Thundercats, to be exact): one of those early 80s >> faux-anime shows. The plot wasn't much, but it had a >> cheetah-human female hybrid, so it didn't matter much. > > That and Snarf, who had more problems with proper nouns >and verbs than the Smurfs. I still love the video I found on the Internet which had Poppa Smurf and the characters from Zero Wing playing $20,000 Pyramid ("All your Smurf are belong to Smurf" ;)). - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:26:57 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Banzai Kittens >> On the other hand, cats have always struck >> me as somewhat more creative - capable of getting spots >> you'd swear they'd >> have to TELEPORT to get to, etc. So they all know the Celestial Song of Motion, eh? :) > Cats don't have a monopoly on that by any means. I've >had two dogs who figured out how to open doors, and one who >developed his own patrol pattern for guarding the house at >night (including finding a station where an intruder >couldn't get to any of the bedrooms without going through >him). > Then there's the apocryphal story of the dachshund who >somehow managed to get on top of the washing machine -- >apparently there was a sandwich left up there, and the dog >was highly motivated. But I can't confirm the truth of >this one. My family's owned two beagles, and those dogs are freaking geniuses at getting into places they shouldn't. The first one, Skipper, in particular; in one instance we had not quite closed the door to the back room he was in (we had a baby-gate up to block him in there, but from day one he could vault the sucker), and he nosed the door open, jumped over the gate into the house and wrecked havoc, and then he jumps BACK in to his room and greets us innocently when we finally got home (we of course saw the open door and said "Aw s**t" immediately :)). And then there was how he found out to escape our invisible fence (for those of you who don't know what those are, it's a wire that sends a signal to the dog's collar that shocks him if he stays too close to the wire). We had decided to save money by just hanging the wire on the existing regular fence (which proved sadly incapable of even slowing this beagle down on its own) instead of burying it like standard. Well this pooch finds we hung the wire too high at ONE place, and actually figures out he can escape through there by CRAWLING on his belly up to the fence below the wire's perimeter; we had the damndest time figuring out how he kept getting out. I'm still touched by what Skipper did on the last days of his life; he had developed heart cancer, and the vets had him the last few days. They gave him steroids to make him feel better, and apparently he felt so good he decided to celebrate by escaping from his kennel several times :). That dog could make Janus proud, that's for sure... - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:43:25 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> [OT] My time, at hand Hello all, It's been fun coming back to the IN list for a bit, but now I must go. I'll be leaving Sunday for Belgrade, Yugoslavia, where I'll be on a USAID contract until April. This e-mail address will be disappearing in the next day or two. Anyone who wants to reach me can do so at douglas.muir@starpower.net. Thanks, and I'll see you all next year. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:36:55 +0000 From: "Fallen Seraph" Subject: IN> Interesting Documentary on BBC 1 I know most list members are American, but if you can get BBC 1, theres a program which may be raidable for IN material. It's called Ancient Apocalypse, at 21:00 GMT. It details the fall of four great civilisations, all of which can be easily tied to IN Canon first (tonight) is Egypt, and the collapse of the pharonic dynasties - Saminga anyone? over the next weeks we get: The Maya (Purity Crusade? maybe. certainly interesting plots for the mayan gods...) The Minoans. (you know from Thera, where Belial Squecked Oannes) and my personal fave: Sodom and Gomorrah! courtesy of the mysterious Azrael. Divine Layething of the Holy Smaketh. again, I urge anyone who can get UK BBC1 to watch... check out http://www.bbc.co.uk/history for more details - -FallenSeraph "I still believe in God, but He no longer believes in me..." http://eternalcity.freeservers.com ICQ: 110193631 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2319 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.