From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jul 31 08:22:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30572 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:22:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id IAA04662 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:20:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:20:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200107311320.IAA04662@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2322 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, July 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2322 In this digest: Re: IN> Question about elderly angels Re: IN> Iron Rev III: The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> Question about elderly angels Re: IN> Iron Rev III: Belle of the Ball Re: IN> House of a Thousand Samingas IN> saminga/fantasy Re: IN> The Graveyard of Good Games Re: IN> Iron Rev III: The Demon of Yogurt IN> Gaiman & the EPG IN> I did not write this. I did NOT write this. I DID NOT WRITE THIS... (Somewhere between PG-13 & R)) Re: IN> Gaiman & the EPG Re: IN> I did not write this. I did NOT write this. I DID NOT WRITE THIS... (Somewhere between PG-13 & R)) Re: IN> I did not write this. I did NOT write this. I DID NOT WRITE THIS... (Somewhere between PG-13 & R)) Re: IN> August is FANTASY MONTH! Re: IN> August is FANTASY MONTH! Re: IN> I did not write this. I did NOT write this. I DID NOT WRITE THIS... (Somewhere between PG-13 & R)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:48:13 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Question about elderly angels > >Angels don't age. > >Even if he's lost forces he'd skill have an impressive variety of skills >and songs. > >Not to mention aeons of experience. > >The "Old Guy" from 'Night Music' is the classic example. > I think you're right on the matter of angels not aging, but I am not so sure the "Old Guy" is the best example. If I recall correctly from my reading of "Night Music" (which I don't own and had to give back to the owner years ago), the "Old Guy" was unobservant, scatterbrained, and forgetful enough to be a possible case of Alzheimer's Disease if he were a human. Which of course was just as well, considering. Janet Anderson * * * * Beware the anger of a patient bard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 06:29:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev III: The Demon of Yogurt - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > The Demon of Yogurt Oh, well, so much for my idea... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 06:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Question about elderly angels - --- Charles E Smith wrote: > I have a design in mind for a character. He's a Kyriotate > of Destiny, > once in service to Knowledge, but he's an elderly angel. > By elderly, I > mean he witnessed the Fall. However, he still only has 9 > Forces, despite > having served Raphael (under Mariel, the Angel of Memory) > since his > creation and then transferring to Yves's service when she > died. Is such a > character feasible, I mean, in terms of Forces? Yup. He may have lost the rest of his Forces (and much of his former knowledge) as a result of Celestial combat. That he used to serve Knowledge gives you a built-in hook - -- the battle against Legion. > Would such an old angel > still be allowed to serve on Earth after such a long > time, or does Heaven > retire its' old-timers (not counting Archangels)? Since such an old angel is likely to have a stable attitude and have figured out how to get along with angels of other Choirs, any organization in Heaven would consider him an asset on Earth duty. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 06:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev III: Belle of the Ball - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > "Belle of the Ball." Oh, I must run this... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:26:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> House of a Thousand Samingas Cute idea. About a year and a half ago, I played a different riff on the death of Saminga, this time with the resulting ascension of one Azazel. If there's interest on the part of new (or old) list-members, I can re-post it. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:18:57 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> saminga/fantasy About a year and a half ago, I played a different >riff on the death of Saminga, this time with the resulting >ascension of one Azazel. If there's interest on the part of >new (or old) list-members, I can re-post it. > >Earl I for one would be interested in that. Howabout instead of having the fantasy crossover month some one sugested we have a death period instead, or as well. I'd post a good amount once id seen the other posts. Toodles Cass *where you come from is gone, where you're going was never there, and where you are aint no good unless you can get away from it* http://communities.msn.co.uk/ADD http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:50 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> The Graveyard of Good Games In article <02dd01c118a6$6ffa58c0$38b12b04@vz.dsl.genuity.net>, prodigal@ticnet.com (Prodigal) wrote: > Not exactly, Charles. Arthaus was created before Changeling was dropped > from the regular White Wolf line. Its existence did give the game > somewhere to go that would allow for continued publication of material, > however, while not requiring the same level of sales that Vampire, Mage > and Werewolf maintained. They use it for other things, too, such as Mage: The Sorcerer's Crusade. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:07:34 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev III: The Demon of Yogurt At 6:29 AM -0700 7/30/01, Michael Walton wrote: >--- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> The Demon of Yogurt > > Oh, well, so much for my idea... Sorry. But surely there are many more flavors of theme that can be taken? I doubt there'd be much friction between them, and besides, we're all gentlemen and ladies here, right...? O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 07:21:02 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Gaiman & the EPG I haven't be reading the list very carefully the last week or so, and I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but ... Sensing the gaping hole in the fabric of space-time (due to the absence of the EPG, it still not being published), Neil Gaiman's latest work of fiction, "American Gods," is as close as you can possible get to being a novelized version of the EPG. Basic plotline (without spoilers): Odin tries to recruit a bunch of the old Ethereal Gods to war against Nybbas, Beleth, and the Ethereals that choose to work with them. Okay, it doesn't map onto In Nomine _quite_ that nicely, but it's damn close. Gaiman even indirectly mentions "the Media," capitalized like that, in a slightly different context. The Marches also play a huge part in the novel, coincidentally enough. I found myself noticing that detail after detail was amazingly close to In Nomine. Without a doubt, everyone warm and cold-blooded In Nomine fan should READ THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW! I just finished it last night and nothing has made me more excited about the EPG coming out next year. In related news, I've been racking my brains ever since I started "American Gods" about how in the world SJGames could capitalize on Gaiman's new novel to sell more copies of the EPG. I mean, with the millions of Gaiman fans out there drooling over his conceptualization of gods (which happens to be almost exactly the same as IN's conceptualization of Ethereals), there must be some way to wave a flag that says "you liked the book? come play the game!" Try to get a Gaiman quote on the back cover (from the book, not Gaiman saying "I loved the EPG!")? Mention outright that it has themes that connect with "American Gods"? I haven't come up with much, unfortunately. Ideas anyone? Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:25:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> I did not write this. I did NOT write this. I DID NOT WRITE THIS... (Somewhere between PG-13 & R)) ...my girlfriend did: my sweet, innocent, Archangelic girlfriend. However, I _am_ the one who's forwarding it, so I suppose that I can be killed for it, too... ;) Moe "Possibly it was a bad idea to let all of her IN data be colored by mine own interpretations" Lane When you're on good terms with the Media, it's expected that you'll take a look at what's on the tube every once in a while. And the title of the show... intrigued Lord Andre. It certainly sounded like it might have possibilities. "Underwhelmed" barely started to express his reaction. It was so... nice. Still, the title... there were possibilities with the title. He'd have his people call Nybbas's people, and then they'd do lunch. - --- "Andre, compadre! What do you have for me?" Nybbas flounced into one of Shal-Mari's tonier establishments, and imps ran each other over to attend the Prince. Andreaphalous looked up from his notes and grinned. "Storyboards for 'Touched by an Angel.' My version." "You know I love your stuff, you naughty thing. Let's see them." "Episode One," Andre laid down the first board with finess. "I've got an older Balseraph lined up for the main role. Casting's open for the other... any big brute Calabite will do. Homoerotic military shower scenes." Nybbas looked it over. "Do we really *need* the shower, all things considered? He's *always* naked, anyway." Andre shrugged. "Showers are classic, but you're The Man for production." Nybbas beamed and Andre made himself smile. Producers. You had to give them *something* to fiddle with. "Episode Two." The next board drifted to the table. "A real hot little lesbian BDSM number. Title's 'Smite me, baby.' Figured we'd use Lilim for both principles." "I love it!" the Media crowed. "Um... who's that supposed to be?" He indicated the character doomed to the fiery dominatrix's clutches. Andre smiled mysteriously, and Nybbas read the clunky dialogue with a sigh. "'Tell me you deserve it! Tell me it's Just!' Oh. Da*n me! Forgot the old snake had that female vessel." Andre's smile broadened. "I didn't." "You wouldn't, would you? Speaking of lesbian love scenes, do you think we could get a threesome with..." "No." "No? C'mon, it'd be fabulous! It's epic! It's..." "Do *you* want to work with her?" "Huh?" Nybbas squinted. "Look, either we don't consult with her and she throws a fit, in which case I don't want to deal with fallout. Or, we bring her onboard and have to deal with *that.* Remember when you used her for a consultant on that horror project?" Nybbas shuddered. "Yes. She's a regular Nightmare to work with." "Right. So she and her ex are right out. Which," Andre bit his lip, "is a crying shame. But, on to Episode Three." His companion sighed. "Bestiality? Niche market, but hey, what the heck. Any thought on the casting, here?" Andre coughed. "Ronald." Cough. "And his Hellsworn." Nybbas's eyes glazed over. "Yeah, yeah, baby, we'll tell him it's all part of some public education announcement about saving cows... or some bullsh*t. He'll buy it. But... cows... cows aren't sexy." Andreaphalous shrugged. "Don't knock it til you've tried it." Nybbas forced a laugh. "Thanks, babe, I'll pass. Cows. Huh. Maybe we'll get some country for the music... that'd set the mood." Cows. Maybe he could find some Shedite to possess something more photogenic... But Andre had continued on with the storyboards. "Episode Four. 'Mother's Favorite Son.' I know an Impudite who's just a dead ringer if we could get some black wings and a sword for him. And..." "And a Lilim. Da*n. Aren't there any good-looking women in Hell who *aren't* Lilim?" "Actually, I know this Djinn who gets off on pretending to care. She'd be perfect." "Fantastic! Now, c'mon, lay something more mainstream on me, huh? Incest is fine, but it just doesn't sell like good whitebread porn." Andre bridled a bit. He'd co-written 'Mother's Favorite Son' and thought it would sell just fine, thanks. But he rallied gamely. "How's this?" Episode Five featured a large cast of 'anthropomorphic mechanical constructs capable of engendering positive physical sensations," as the lead called them. Nybbas grinned enthusiastically. "This is it! Lots of women, lots of toys, big group scenes. I love it, I love it! I'll get my people on this. Have your people send over the contact informa-shee-oni on those handpicks you've already casted." It was a waste of time trying to second-guess Andre's casting calls for a porn flick. He was the Prince of Lust for a reason, after all. "Will do, bub. I figure we'll roll these out at that big glitzy place down the road and rake in the Essence." The contract had, of course, already been negotiated and signed. You didn't *show* Nybbas ideas until you'd negotiated a contract. Nybbas nodded, collecting the boards. "And that's a wrap! I'll be seeing you, amigo!" ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Gaiman & the EPG - --- Jonathan Walton wrote: >I mean, with the millions of Gaiman fans out there >drooling over his conceptualization of gods (which >happens to be almost exactly the same as IN's >conceptualization of Ethereals), there must be some >way to wave a flag that says "you liked the book? >come play the game!" Hmm. Time to play Seven Degrees of Neil Gaiman. 1) Beth calls SJG. 2) SJG calls Phil Masters. 3) Phil Masters calls Terry Pratchett. 4) Terry Pratchett calls Neil Gaiman. Heh. That wasn't too hard, actually. I wonder how many links there are to Kevin Smith? :) Moe "It's too much to hope that we can get him on the list" Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:59:11 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> I did not write this. I did NOT write this. I DID NOT WRITE THIS... (Somewhere between PG-13 & R)) From: "Maurice Lane" > ...my girlfriend did: my sweet, innocent, Archangelic > girlfriend. I was going to write that your style of writing is rubbing off on her, but then I realised exactly how many different types of awful puns that one sentence would represent... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:09:37 -0400 From: Matthew Gerber Subject: Re: IN> I did not write this. I did NOT write this. I DID NOT WRITE THIS... (Somewhere between PG-13 & R)) Maurice Lane wrote: >...my girlfriend did: my sweet, innocent, Archangelic >girlfriend. > Demented. And brilliant. Clearly, the two of you are perfect for each other, Moe. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> August is FANTASY MONTH! - --- Daniel Sauve wrote: > By the power invested in me by my own penial glad, I > declare August IN/ Fantasy > cross over month! > That would be cool (well, obviously _I_ would think so, otherwise I wouldn't have a page up on the s u b ject). Mechanics especially: frex, armor in IN is woefully deficient... Moe "Miracles and the secrets of the universe are all very well, but could someone please quantify the movement rules?" Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 02:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> August is FANTASY MONTH! Darn, I was hoping for a little Lilith on Laurence action... That's *my* version of IN Fantasy... O. :) ===== If you're going to dance with the devil, you've got to be prepared to pay the price: he's definitely going to try to cop a feel. That's just the way the dude's wired up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:19:40 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> I did not write this. I did NOT write this. I DID NOT WRITE THIS... (Somewhere between PG-13 & R)) - --On Monday, July 30, 2001 6:59 PM -0500 Prodigal wrote: > From: "Maurice Lane" > >> ...my girlfriend did: my sweet, innocent, Archangelic >> girlfriend. > > I was going to write that your style of writing is rubbing off on > her, but then I realised exactly how many different types of awful > puns that one sentence would represent... > Not to mention the problem of finding that much onion paper in the first place. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("There's a joke about Word 'friction' in here, but I'm dropping it.") ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2322 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.