From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Aug 9 18:35:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23829 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:35:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA16368 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:35:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:35:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200108092335.SAA16368@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2330 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, August 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2330 In this digest: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> Last-minute Iron Rev submission! IN> Consider the Lightbringer IN> Iron Rev III: A Snowcone's Chance in Hell Re: IN> Iron Rev III: A Snowcone's Chance in Hell IN> [Fantasy] Dwarves Re: IN> Last-minute Iron Rev submission! Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> Last-minute Iron Rev submission! Re: IN> [Fantasy] Dwarves Re: IN> Iron Rev III: A Snowcone's Chance in Hell Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> New Crossover idea IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette Re: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 16: Millenium Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> Last-minute Iron Rev submission! Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Re: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:32:46 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> The Demon of Yogurt (The history needs editing, but I had to get this written and sent out while I was thinking about it...) Altadenael Shedite of Gluttony Demon of Yogurt Forces: Corporeal: 4 Strength: 6 Agility: 10 Ethereal: 4 Intelligence: 9 Precision: 7 Celestial: 5 Will: 12 Perception: 8 Word Forces: 6 Skills: Acrobatics/3, Chemistry/2, Climbing/3, Dodge/4, Driving/1, Emote/1, Escape/2, Fast-Talk/4, Fighting (Celestial)/4, Knowledge (Health Foods)/6, Lying/3, Medicine/2, Move Silently/2, Ranged Weapon/3, Running/6, Savoir-Faire/2, Small Weapon/2, Swimming/3, Throwing/4 Songs: Attraction (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/6), Entropy (Corporeal/4), Healing (Corporeal/3), Numinous Corpus: Goo/3 Attunements: Shedite of Gluttony, Consume, Demon of Yogurt Rites: All Gluttony Rites, plus "Convince another to buy and/or consume more than 6 cups of yogurt +1" History: Altadenael is almost as clever as it likes to think it is. Shortly after its first few missions onto the Corporeal plane, it met Lucifer in the snack bar of the health club where its host worked, and was offered a boon. It wasted no time in asking for the Word of Health Food, since so much of what was being sold to mortals at the time as healthy only served to further the Word of Gluttony. "That is too ambitious a Word for such a young demon as yourself," Lucifer replied in mixed amusement and annoyance, "But as I feel generous today, I shall grant you instead the Word of Yogurt." Lucifer then promptly left, certain that the newly-Wordbound upstart would be taken care of by its fellow Gluttons. (Un?)fortunately, Altadenael grasped the potential of its new status with properly inhuman speed. A human who was left hungry by attempts at weight loss via eating only yogurt were almost ludicrously easy to induce bouts of gluttony in. With the decline in popularity of yogurt during the 1980s, Altadenael found his Word likewise decreasing to a level equivalent to Stale Bong Water. Through dogged perseverance and skillful avoidance of those who would take advantage of his lowered status in Haagenti's ranks, however, it has seen yogurt rise in popularity, especially after cutting some strategic side-deals with the Media. Yogurt is a Word that is once more on the rise, and its holder intends to keep it that way. As Demon of Yogurt, Altadenael may possess a container of yogurt rather than a human for a number of days equal to its Word forces. For every day beyond the freshness date that it continues to possess the yogurt, it takes 1d6 body hits at dawn (although it has found that Corporeal Entropy allows it to avoid damage.) When possessing yogurt, it causes no disturbance. It only takes dissonance if the yogurt it possesses has not begun to go bad before it relinquishes possession (which is another reason why it has spent so much time improving its skill at Corporeal Entropy.) Also, Altadenael may create a vessel out of yogurt, equivalent to the Kyriotate of Stone attunement, but this causes disturbance equal to its Corporeal forces * the vessel level. This is limited by the amount of yogurt available, however (the largest vessel it has managed so far was a vessel/3 made from an entire dairy section's worth of yogurt,) and the vessel will only last for 1d6 * its Word forces minutes before collapsing. The final power that Altadenael has discovered from researching its Word attunement is the most insidious: Any person eating yogurt suffers a -2 Will penalty to resist being possessed by it, or a -4 penalty if it is possessing the yogurt being eaten. To make matters worse, Altadenael has begun wondering what would happen if it could induce two or more people to eat yogurt that it was possessing at the same time... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:57:26 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Last-minute Iron Rev submission! >Malachi, Renegade Calabite, Demon of the Board >14 forces, balanced towards Celestial >Skills: Bacteria level fighting, fast-talk and savoir-faire/6, area lore >(bucket of yogurt/6) >Songs: Effectively none; Malachi will do his best to cause no >disturbance whatsoever, although he has access to most songs in the Core >book. >Attunements: Humanity, Demon of the Board > >(As demon of the Board, Malachi is always aware of his immediate >surroundings: how many life-forms are around and minute knowledge of the >geography. He also knows general facts about the larger area he's in: if >there's any sort of damage done to the bucket, he'll know, as will he if >the political situation changes radically.) > >Dissonance: 3 >Discord: Lustful/2, Aura/1 Am I the only one whose mind has trouble imagining a lustful bacterium? I guess he likes to pass plasmids back and forth then. - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:41:57 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Consider the Lightbringer Greetings. Yes, I've heard of this "Consider" series of Interviews. I decided to participate, just for fun. I hope you appreciate the trouble I've gotten through for you. The Lord of Hell has a busy schedual. First off, let me get THIS record cleared out: I am NOT Gay. I don't know how that idea got started out, but I've been meaning to ask Andrealphus, Kobal and Nybbas about it for a while now. Being a Celestial, I don't even conceptualize Sex as you humans would understand it. So stop thinking of me as this foppish, "Sensitive" gay man. ...I have a personal section of Hell reserved for the people who promote this idea... Now, onto the REAL matter of this Interview. Why did I rebel against God? Quite simply, because I wanted to. You see, God gave all of us Celestials independant thinking ability; I believe he merely intended to make us tools capable of self-supervision or something, but either by design or choice, he made us capable of understanding his orders, and to choose to obey or disobey them. So when God commanded us to give up the World we Angels had spent ages working on, just to hand it over to the glorified Apes called Humanity, I chose to say No. When the other Angels kept arguing with me to fall back into Line, I spoke with them and convinced others to follow me in defiance. When God, via the Metatron, demanded I swallow my Pride and bow my knee... I simply killed Metatron, and sparked the Rebellion. I knew exactly what I was doing. ...Of course, getting my butt kicked by Michael before falling from Heaven to Hell wasn't part of the plan, but one can't expect everything, of course. Except maybe for God. ...Yes, you heard me right, I said Maybe. Because I don't believe God is Omnipotent and Omniscient, contrary to Heaven's "official" line. Why? ...If it were so, would I be here, defying God openly as I am? ...Would not have God destroyed me and eradicate my very memory from the face of the Symphony, if he or she were truly All-Mighty? No, obviously God isn't as "All Powerful" as he pretends to be. More likely, he's probably a very old Celestial, perhaps even the First Celestial, with access to tools and methods enabling him to have control over the Symphony as he does. I aim to wrestle this control and make it mine. And I WILL make it mine, this I promise. I've already figured out a few tricks, thanks to my "examination" of Metatron's remains. Such as Words. I figured out how to give and take Superior-level words, such as The War and Lust, after figuring out how to give myself a new Word, more powerful then all the others... What is my Word, you ask? ...Why, didn't you guess? It's Darkness. I am the Prince of Darkness, am I not? And it is a word that fits me well, as the first Balseraph. As the Light reveals truth, I bind it with my words, my Lies. As the Shadows create cold and mystery and fear, so do I. Which reminds me, there's this new Djinn Princess wannabe, with the word of "Shadows" in her mind. ...Stands too close to my own word, I'll have to deal with her soon. What, you think I give Words at random or something? Not at all. Unlike God, I do not have so large a reserve of Essence as I suspect he wields. Though all of Hell feeds me Essence, I must be careful to hoard what I hold, lest I am deprived when I am in most need. I am most careful in choosing what Words I grant, and to whom. I can not afford to waste precious Essence in giving someone a Word he or she is unfitting to hold. Why should I waste a good word like "Decay" on some shlob who wouldn't use it to it's full potential? Look at the Princes I've raised so far: Asmodeus plays the Game I've set for him with so much devotion, I don't even need to watch over him. I just do so out of habit. I saw Nybbas, looked at his invention, and realised this Impudite had a lot of potential for Princedom. ...And I was right. Overall, the Princes of Hell serve their purpose, which is to be my personal tools in my war against God and his flunkies. Of course, they can only do so as long as they don't become a threat to my power. Fortunetly, they tend to keep one another in check. I've played the Princes well enough for that: Asmodeus keeps watch over elements that threaten to betray Hell, while Malphas keeps Hell itself divided into factions too small to hoard power. Kobal and Kronos compete for a position at my Right hand, and that's how I like it; it keeps either from wanting to depose me. At times, there have been a few threats here in Hell, but I insured, through very subtile manipulation, that the other Princes would remove them for me. Such as Mariel, dear old Mariel. Her obsession with destroying everything was becoming bothersome, so I indulged Kobal in his suggestion to elevate Haagenti to a Princely level, while aiming the beast at the Princess of Oblivion. It all worked out nicely, in the end. Of course, not all is well, even in my world. There's Lillith, to whom I owe my Freedom, and whom I still cannot control, the damned cow... But she will one day FULLY serve me, I promise you. And then there's Valefor. ...He thinks he's pulled the wool over my eyes, but I KNOW his secrets... He'll find I'm not so easily decieved. And then there are the Revelations... Those Damned Revelations... Those prophesies of my own inevitable defeat... They must be a Lie. They HAVE to be a Lie... ...Aren't they? - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 00:05:54 -0700 From: Anthony Damiani Subject: IN> Iron Rev III: A Snowcone's Chance in Hell A Snowcone's Chance in Hell: A plain vanilla adventure, with a cherry on top. Sharp-eyed PCs are always on the lookout for anything out of the ordinary that might prove to be a demonic plot, and it is not unreasonable for them to suspect that the new breakthroughs in calorie-free frozen-yoghurt, and the major national ad campaign touts the simple, nostalgic virtues of a melting frozen-yoghurt ('the /healthy/ treat!') on a hot summer day, might, possibly be the work of Haagenti's little piggies. They'd be right. What they won't expect to find is the Demon of Ice-Cream behind it all. They certainly won't expect him to be waiting for them, begging, no, pleading for them to help him assault his own words. It's like this, see: relations between two of Haagenti's favorite servitors (Screamer, Balseraph of Ice-cream, and Yaznat, Habbalah of Frozen Yoghurt) have long been chilly at best. More precisely, the two enjoy a bittersweet relationship as rivals. However, a sticky situation has recently developed, as they have both received instructions (deceptively issued by Zeldzanar, nefarious demon of Sorbet) that they are to cease their bickering immediately, and cooperate as much as possible-- sending the precarious balance of power down a rocky road, sprinkled with chaos. The two demons have no choice but to obey the order, of course-- it appears to have come straight from the Hungry Prince himself-- but they hate each other's guts. So in the best Malphasian tradition of back-handed assistance, Screamer has decided to promote Frozen-Yoghurt in all the wrong ways. "Listen, yeah, I'm evil, and yeah, you're probably going to kill me-- but think for a moment--- how many fewer people would die from heart disease if Frozen Yoghurt had no calories? So you see, we're really on the same side on this one..." His goal is to sow confusion and support the Angelic word of Frozen-Yoghurt (Yummiah, Malakim of Frozen-Yoghurt will be most interested to discover what's behind her shiny new word-force), well enough to distract Yaznat for the next two weeks. This is all a diversionary to keep his rival tied up during the main event... Every decade, Fleurity holds an exclusive party, to which all of his servitors and a number of Hell's elite are invited, a grand festival of narcotic consumption when that decade's line of new products is showcased-- this decade, it will be taking place at an opulently appointed resort somewhere high in the Swiss Alps. Now, the top demographic markets for food in the underworld are, in order, first: Haagenti, second: servitors of Gluttony, and, third: servitors of Fleurity with a severe case of the munchies. If Screamer can gain a decisive advantage and endorsement in the catering of this event-- maybe even a personal catering contract with Drugs-- he'll have a lock on the tertiary market for the next decade, far more than the losses he'll take from the release of Vaputek frozen-yoghurt (to be fair, he doesn't know for /sure/ it will have side-effects, so he's in the clear)... Meanwhile, Zeldzanar is about to sic the Game on Screamer, just as soon as the Demon of Frozen-Yoghurt is tied up. For the love of all that is holy and tasty and good, he must not be allowed to succeed! PCs can me Angels caught in Screamer's plans, Malphasites out to keep things going, Kobalites or Windies capitalizing on the chaos, Haagentians seeking to curry favor with one of the word-bound demons involved, innocent Drug-servitors caught in the crossfire, or Game servitors out to keep Hell sane. Dig in and enjoy! -ALD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev III: A Snowcone's Chance in Hell - --- Anthony Damiani wrote: > > A Snowcone's Chance in Hell: A plain vanilla > adventure, with a cherry on top. I'd make a pun about how you sprinkled puns through the text, but I don't want to encour... Great, now I'm doing it, too. Oh... fudge. ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> [Fantasy] Dwarves Heh. The IN Autoduel thing worked: the mental backlog is beginning to clear. I might actually get the IN/Fantasy crossover thingy on paper, after all... This is even more of a rough draft than usual, BTW: comments on final layout welcome. Moe Dwarves Dwarves are short, stocky humanoids evolved (one could even say 'engineered') to live in underground environments. Their preferred habitats are mountainous areas, but a Dwarf can survive anywhere that a Human can: however, their fertility suffers when out of their normal range. Dwarves have a standard proportion of Soldiers and Saints to the rest of the population. The Dwarves' primary Archangel is David, their creator (known to them as Khedzak). Both Novalis and Jean have been involved in shaping their culture: the former has spun off the separate race of Gnomes and the latter has provided the Dwarves with some of their superior engineering knowledge. Most of the War faction will cheerfully recruit Dwarven Soldiers. Characteristics, Bonuses and Flaws Dwarf characters are built on 5 Forces: however, all adult Dwarves have a minimum Strength of 4 and Will of 3 (before racial bonuses). This will effectively dictate that Dwarves allocate 2 of their starting Forces to Corporeal. Maximum number of Forces for Saints and Blessed Souls: 15. Dwarves have two major racial advantages: first, Dwarves may raise their Strength and Will by a combined total of 4 (at least one point must be allocated to each). Also, the race has an innate propensity towards craftsmanship: Dwarves add double their Corporeal Forces to Craft Skills (the determination of what constitutes a Craft Skill is forthcoming). The average lifespan is roughly four centuries. Total points: 9. Unfortunately, the visual sense of Dwarves is not advanced by most surface-dwellers: they suffer from Damaged Sense (Vision)/1. This Disadvantage also gives them a -2 to most Ranged Weapon skills. They also suffer from a -1 to movement rates, due to their shorter legs. Note, however, that (unlike 'standard' fantasy Dwarves) this race does not suffer from Greediness: their creator finds the notion absolutely appalling. Total points: -5. Recommended skills: Ranged Weapon (axe or pick), Survival (caverns), various Craft Skills Total Cost: 4. Psychology Dwarves are very stoic individuals, thanks to the efforts of their patron Archangel. Dwarves prize toughness and steadiness above most other qualities: their ability to persevere under the most adverse conditions is half due to genetic hardwiring and half due to sheer bloody-mindedness. The word "whiney" is a killing insult in Dwarven. Dwarves tend to reflect their creator in many ways: like David/Khedzak, they tend to be blunt, focused, uninterested in small talk, generous to their friends and absolutely merciless to their foes. Dwarves do not forget favors or slights: in fact, Dwarves rarely forget anything that has been done to themselves or their race. They may forgive slightly more often than a 'standard' Dwarf, but they do not ever, ever forget. Dwarven culture revolves around craftsmanship: their cultural heroes are mostly artisans, not administrators or fighters. There is a definite social hierarchy, which looks (to Human eyes) like a modified ogliarchy heavily influenced by meritocratic beliefs. There is a remarkably low amount of social unrest, however: social services among Dwarves are unparalleled among the Unbroken Races and their political system has zero tolerance for fools in high places. Their relatively few malcontents usually find a more congenial atmosphere in Human/Elven society - or join the War. Dwarven "nations" are somewhat amorphous entities: in general, they tend to be loose collections of city-states in any given mountain range. There has never been a Dwarven Empire, due mostly to a distinct lack of interest in setting one up. However, all Dwarven nations mint to the same coinage, enjoy roughly the same laws and social customs, speak the same language and come to each other's aid in time of war, so the wry Elven description of Dwarvendom as the Empireless Empire is actually fairly apt. Despite rumors to the contrary (found mostly in less cosmopolitan areas), Dwarven females are not superficially indistinguishable from the males. These rumors tend to spring from the fact that sexism is virtually unknown in Dwarven society: ability is the determining factor for social mobility. Also, most 'malcontents' tend to be male, making them more likely to be encountered by surface races. Ecology Dwarves have evolved to live underground, but can easily adapt to surface conditions. This is due directly to their creator: David had no intention of handicapping his charges. Thus, Dwarves can eat surface food, deal with direct sunlight and have no universal fear of open spaces. However, a Dwarf's fertility does drastically drop when not living in their original habitats: David is still working on the problem. Role in the War Dwarves, being somewhat isolated from other races, enjoy a somewhat more intimate relationship with their patron Archangel. David has even been known to manifest himself among the mundane Dwarven population (something not often done by other Archangels): he also has significantly less trouble than others do with misguided attempts to worship him. Aside from other things, this means that Dwarven nations will often be overtly involved in the War, acting as a potent corporeal weapon. David divides his Dwarven Soldiers into two groups: Jadzhack ("hammers") and Hredzik ("anvils"). The Jadzhackim all either have the Armor Attunement or high levels of the Corporeal Song of Form (or both), and usually serve straightforward combat roles. Jadzhackim, being corporeal, are not s u b ject to David's dissonance conditions, so they are often the spearhead of attacks. There is a s u b group (Imjadhack, or "picks") that emulates their patron by fighting nude (but naturally armored): their ability to break lines through their use of shock tactics is legendary. Hredzikim have a less violent role: they universally have the Geomancy Attunement (plus the Geomancy skill), and serve as advisors and assistants to mundane Dwarven rulers. Their innate abilities also make them excellent scouts for their race's steady expansion underground. Dwarves and Hell The Princes would very much like to break the Dwarves, but their unique relationship with David makes that difficult. Diabolicalism is a capital crime in every Dwarven nation - and, unlike certain Human nations, the Dwarves *mean* it. The one time that Hell managed to corrupt an entire city-state ended ... badly. Even the mountain that sheltered said city-state isn't there anymore. Still, cults live on in secret. For the most part, Malphas and Vapula are the most successful: the former has been fighting David for a long time and the latter can offer the most interesting toys to his servants. Baal gets a goodly number of Dwarven 'malcontents', too. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Last-minute Iron Rev submission! - --- Mike Bruner wrote: > > >Dissonance: 3 > >Discord: Lustful/2, Aura/1 > > Am I the only one whose mind has trouble imagining a > lustful bacterium? You think that's bad? Just be happy that this guy doesn't know the Songs of Fruition. ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 05:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt - --- Prodigal wrote: > Altadenael > Shedite of Gluttony > Demon of Yogurt > To make matters worse, Altadenael has begun wondering > what would happen if > it could induce two or more people to eat yogurt that it > was possessing at the same time... Heh heh heh... oh, how the wheels turn on this one! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 05:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Last-minute Iron Rev submission! - --- Mike Bruner wrote: > Am I the only one whose mind has trouble imagining a > lustful bacterium? Nope. The only way I can see it is as a motivation for not remaining a bacterium long. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> [Fantasy] Dwarves - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Dwarves If this is a rough draft, your edited version will be downright scary. Good stuff, Moe. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Iron Rev III: A Snowcone's Chance in Hell - --- Anthony Damiani wrote: > > A Snowcone's Chance in Hell: A plain vanilla adventure, > with a cherry on top. After this punfest, you have adbicated your right to talk about me. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:48:01 +0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt Ah, just a thought... The AA of yogurt Would be more the nemesis of the Word Bound demon of Thrush. I will not dare to write a brief vignette featuring those two meeting... However, it would end in the vessal death of the demon as a few tonnes of live yogurt fall from the sky and squish him. :o) Toodles Cass *where you come from is gone, where you're going was never there, and where you are aint no good unless you can get away from it* http://communities.msn.co.uk/ADD http://www.drunkendwarfinn.co.uk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ADandD_Stuff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:56:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> New Crossover idea Kyrios of Lightning will be SOOOOOOOO popular, as will Shedim of Technology, and all the other Kyrios and Shedim in such a setting will be clamoring for their attunements. There's also the possibility of getting yourself (or your familiar) an automotive vessel. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:23:00 -0600 From: "Julian Mensch" Subject: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette Heya. I was working on some writeups for my own IN-variant setting* and I got to thinking about proper etiquette in derivative works. Obviously, many Superior writeups on the net will be derived from writeups in IN canon, such as Fallen Novalis or Redeemed Baal. This is generally taken for granted, as everyone knows what's what. Since the line developer for IN is on the list and doesn't have a problem with such derivative writeups, it's fairly safe to assume that they're kosher. The issue is a little more complicated when you involve second generation derivative works, and I'm wondering what the mailing list community's consensus would be. For example, my setting-variant features Uriel and the Tsayadim fairly heavily. As such, I've been working on a writeup for Uriel, and I read the versions by David Edelstein and Richard Gant for inspiration -- that is, to see of any of these authors' ideas matched my concept of Uriel enough to use (my Uriel is fairly different from canon). Anyway, as it happens, I did find things that I'd like to use; my Uriel's Distinctions are a composite of those found in these other authors' writeups. So I put some italic text at the top noting that this aspect of the writeup is adapted from other authors' work, and gave credit where it was due. I certainly don't want to steal others' work! My question, then, is whether this is sufficient. Would it be more appropriate to e-mail every author you draw something from privately and let them know? That seems to be a huge amount of work, not to mention a nuisance both to me and the author(s) I want to source. Another question is reproduction versus referance. Because SJG is trying to sell IN books, it's generally assumed that if you are doing a Gabriel writeup, writing out the canon effects of whatever abilities are unchanged is a big no- no. What about with web-works? Is it acceptable to include (with credit) others' mechanics in the work, or should it just include referances, as it must with canon works? This would be very awkward for a printed file, having web links and mailing-list archive numbers as referances. This isn't just a Uriel issue, by the way. I was planning on adapting the Superiors from Tattered Symphony, Israfel and Demogorgon, to fit in a Bright "angels-and-demons" world, and I have several other derivations of others' work in my own that don't come to mind right now. Khalid is another one where I've gone in with my own concepts, but drawn ideas from others' work, as is Raziel. Another question is with regard to noncanonical NPCs. Some of these (Dominic's kitten, frex, or Sparky) have crossed over to the "everybody's using them" quasi-public domain kind of area, but most haven't. If, for example, I mention that my version of Dominic has a powerful Word- bound named Bronwyn who acts as his conscience, and grant credit to Maurice Lane, is this improper? What if my Bronwyn is somewhat altered? Some authors would be pleased to see others using their work; others may be very offended that another dares to alter the characters that /they/ created. I do grant that authors have the right to control just who gets to do what with their creations, and how, but people seems to be fairly laid-back here on these issues. Obviously, it's a big no-no to reproduce/reword another's work if you haven't changed anything major, unless you're directly and openly quoting. That goes without saying. Beyond that, though, things are less clear. I just figured it was a good idea to ask politely first before posting stuff to my website and horribly offending anybody. Let me know what you all think. - -- Julian Mensch * See Here: http://www.geocities.com/symphony765/greyin.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:21:00 EDT From: Galen Silversmith Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt > From: "Prodigal" If my game were only a little more tongue in cheek, this would be perfect. =) > Rites: All Gluttony Rites, plus "Convince another to buy and/or consume more > than 6 cups of yogurt +1" This I have a little issue with; people regularly buy 6 cups of yogurt at the store, to have for lunches throughout the week or for whatever neferious purpose people use yogurt for; while eating 6 cups is gluttonous, you'd need to buy at least 12 cups, in my opinion, for the rite. I'm also curious how frozen yogurt plays in this demon's diet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette - --- Julian Mensch wrote: > I just > figured it was a good idea to ask politely first before > posting stuff to my > website and horribly offending anybody. Let me know what > you all think. I can't speak for everyone else, but I have no problem with it as long as I get proper credit. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:02:47 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette Julian Mensch wrote: > So I put some italic text at the top noting that > this> aspect of the writeup is adapted from other authors' work, and gave credit> where it was due. I certainly don't want to steal others' work! My question,> then, is whether this is sufficient. It is as far as I'm concerned. Since most of us post this stuff for egoboo anyway, you're not likely to find anyone getting snippy because you adapt it for your own purposes. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:58:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 16: Millenium Charles E Smith wrote: > Out of earshot, Poliel broke down. "What is this place doing to us?! I > fear that we will lose ourselves in this rotten place. Its' as if Hell > itself resents our presence or something..." Yeah, warden duty in Hell should probably be rotated fairly often. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:12:43 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt From: "Michael Walton" > > > To make matters worse, Altadenael has begun wondering > > what would happen if it could induce two or more people > > to eat yogurt that it was possessing at the same time... > > Heh heh heh... oh, how the wheels turn on this one! I tried to make this an NPC that could be used in serious as well as silly games. Whether the new popularity of "Legion" brand yogurt fits a serious or a silly game is an exercise best left to the reader to decide. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:19:58 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Last-minute Iron Rev submission! Michael Walton wrote: > > Am I the only one whose mind has trouble imagining a > > lustful bacterium? > > Nope. The only way I can see it is as a motivation for > not remaining a bacterium long. Well, granted that I know nothing about how things work at a microscopic level, that's pretty much what I was thinking/assuming. Plus I'm gonna keep using Malachi for other purposes (if I ever get off my lazy butt and start writing again), and the lust discord is pretty solidly part of his character, although it shouldn't play much part in this particular adventure. Cheers, Ryan, not really sure where the seed came from, to be honest ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:24:09 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt From: "Galen Silversmith" > > > Rites: All Gluttony Rites, plus "Convince another to buy and/or consume more > > than 6 cups of yogurt +1" > > This I have a little issue with; people regularly buy 6 cups of yogurt at > the store, to have for lunches throughout the week or for whatever > neferious purpose people use yogurt for; while eating 6 cups is gluttonous, > you'd need to buy at least 12 cups, in my opinion, for the rite. Good point, and I'll need to split that into two rite. Although it specifically says "Convince," which means that Altadenael has to have personally talked somebody into it... Convincing someone to consume more than 6 cups of yogurt in one sitting, however, will be worth a point in itself. :) > I'm also curious how frozen yogurt plays in this demon's diet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:43:01 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt About this yoghurt purchase question: As a person who regularly buys a whole lot of yoghurt every week, since my husband and I both like it *and* it's an ingredient in lots of other things (Middle Eastern salads, Indian side dishes, desserts, etc.), I'd suggest you skip the "buying" aspect of the rite and stick to the actual consumption. Also, would the term "consume" apply to using yoghurt for cosmetic purposes such as skin and hair treatment? (No, I am not making this up. No, I have never tried it myself and do not plan to.) Janet Anderson (This time tomorrow I'll be on vacation.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:57:31 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt From: "Janet Anderson" > About this yoghurt purchase question: As a person who regularly buys a whole > lot of yoghurt every week, since my husband and I both like it *and* it's an > ingredient in lots of other things (Middle Eastern salads, Indian side > dishes, desserts, etc.), I'd suggest you skip the "buying" aspect of the > rite and stick to the actual consumption. It is still something that furthers Altadenael's Word, so I'll be leaving it in the writeup. > Also, would the term "consume" apply to using yoghurt for cosmetic purposes > such as skin and hair treatment? (No, I am not making this up. No, I have > never tried it myself and do not plan to.) No, but if the Word becomes a more important one, that would become a Word Rite as well. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:57:31 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Yogurt From: "Janet Anderson" > About this yoghurt purchase question: As a person who regularly buys a whole > lot of yoghurt every week, since my husband and I both like it *and* it's an > ingredient in lots of other things (Middle Eastern salads, Indian side > dishes, desserts, etc.), I'd suggest you skip the "buying" aspect of the > rite and stick to the actual consumption. It is still something that furthers Altadenael's Word, so I'll be leaving it in the writeup. > Also, would the term "consume" apply to using yoghurt for cosmetic purposes > such as skin and hair treatment? (No, I am not making this up. No, I have > never tried it myself and do not plan to.) No, but if the Word becomes a more important one, that would become a Word Rite as well. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:33:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette - --- David Edelstein wrote: > Julian Mensch wrote: > > So I put some italic text at the top noting that > > this> aspect of the writeup is adapted from other > authors' work, and gave credit> where it was due. I > certainly don't want to steal others' work! My > question,> then, is whether this is sufficient. > > > It is as far as I'm concerned. Since most of us post > this stuff for > egoboo anyway, you're not likely to find anyone > getting snippy because > you adapt it for your own purposes. That's pretty much my reaction, too. In general, anything that appears on my site (or here, come to think of it) is pretty much meant for public consumption (Uncle Sam was a special case: I took away free use rights when Beth convinced me to get it published, but then SJG went ahead and made it a sample article anyway). I only ask that people properly attribute or link what I do (unless, of course, somebody tries to make cash off of it. That ain't cool*). As for modifying my existing works - Heresies of Heresies, if you will - well, I damn well _better_ be told: nobody around here updates often enough to suit my Need for new IN material, and how am I to bask in the glow of megalomaniacal egoboo if nobody tells me?** ;) Moe *I add that only for completeness. **IOW, go ahead and fold, spindle and mutilate my stuff - just tell me, so that I can get a good seat and bring popcorn. Who knows? I might like your version better. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2330 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.