From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Aug 10 21:48:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23374 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:48:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA20878 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:45:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:45:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200108110245.VAA20878@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2331 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, August 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2331 In this digest: IN> The Archangel of Tourism Re: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette IN> The Angel of Sanity Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism IN> Vaputech Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism IN> Recruiting Project Re: IN> Recruiting Project ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Aug 2001 01:04:36 +0100 From: "Richard C Hanton-Rutherford" Subject: IN> The Archangel of Tourism I came up with Martin, Archangel of Tourism, for my Liverpool based In Nomine game. He is basically a variant of Marc, but sufficiently different to make him interesting (I hope), and he should make a good complement to a campaign based in a major tourist centre. A Mercurian of Marc, Martin joined the first settlers to America, ensuring some standards of fair trade were carried to the New World. As more and more of the world was made available to Westerners, Martin travelled with them, sometimes as a fur trader, or a travelling merchant. After a time, he became aware of the concept of travel as a trade itself, and devoted himself to ensuring fair condtions for travellers. In the early Twentieth century he was awarded the Word of Tourism, and in the 1960's surprised many in Heaven (and Hell) by becoming an Archangel. Martin took his ascendence to the big boys with grace, however, and tends to defer to Marc, whom he still considers to be his boss. Martin spends little time in heaven, preferring to handle business on earth, and can often be found in large tourist centres, watching the crowds and smiling. Dissonance: Martin sees tourism as a way to rejuvanate local economies, and keep money flowing globally. The role of his servitors is to encourage tourism wherever they go, both on a local and international scale. It is dissonant for them to act in a way which would discourage tourism; to be involved in a firefight at a major airport, for example. It is also dissonant for a servitor of Martin's to go a number of days equal to his Celestial Forces without making a mortal think about a foreign culture, or the joys of travelling. Servitor Attunements: For the purpose of these attunements, a tourist is a person who is travelling for reasons other than strictly business. The GM, of course, has ultimate authority to judge. Seraphim - With a touch, Martin's Seraphim can tell where a person would most like to visit. Cherubim - When a person or object of their attunement is travelling as (or with, for an object) a tourist, the Cherub's resonance automatically works. Ofanim - These Ofanim may add their CF to a resonance roll to determine direction while in a major tourist centre. Elohim - With a touch, Martin's Elohim can see how a person feels about a particular country or its inhabitants. The country must be chosen before contact is made. Malakim - Martin's international police, these Malakim are the scourge of drug smugglers and football-hooligans the wotld over. With a glance, they can detect who is travelling with the intent of causing harm (GM's discretion who this affects). It is dissonant for the Malakim to allow such people to continue on their journey. Kyriotates - Martin's Kyrios have access to all of the host's memories of travel as a tourist. With a successful Will roll upon leaving the host, they may also implant a strong desire to travel. This counts as fulfilling Martin's dissonance requirement. Mercurians - Often acting as guides to travellers in the big cities, Martin's Mercurians can add their CF to resonance rolls towards tourists. Servitor Attunements: Tourist Attraction - At the cost of 5 essence, the angel may turn an area upto one mile in radius into a tourist magnet. Any travellers passing within 200 miles of the area wll find themselves drawn towards it, and any locals preparing to travel will change their intended destination to the Attraction. If the area isn't actually interesting (GM's discretion), the tourists will leave within a day or two, and will stop arriving after the attunement has worn off. If the area is a previously overlooked tourist gem, however, word of mouth will turn it into a genuine tourist attraction. Servitors of Martin sometimes use this attunement to establish tethers, drawing tourists to undiscovered areas of beauty or interest, then quickly capitalising on the sudden tourist boom. Travellers Check - Upon entering an area (usually the confines of a city) the angel instantly knows how many tourists in general pass through the area every day, and how many are currently there. Distinctions: Vassal of the Tourist Trade - With a glance, the angel knows the places a person has visited as a tourist. Friend of Travellers - A glance reveals the above information, as well as how much (if at all) they enjoyed the trip. Master of Globetrotting - With a Will roll, the angel may implant CF people per day with a strong desire to travel, as with the Kyriotate attunement. The angel must talk to the person to do this. Relations: Martin is generally popular, though some Archangels accuse him of eroding cultural differences, and cheapening historical monuments. Jordi is particularly hostile to Tourism, accusing it of impinging upon many animals' natural environments, and of encouraging the exploitation of animals in zoos and circuses. Allied - Marc Associated - Janus, Christopher, Novalis Hostile - Jordi Rites: Spend 1 hour discussing the merits of a foriegn culture or the joys of travel with a mortal, without boring or annoying them. Spend 3 hours meditating in a major airport, or place where 300 plus tourists visit per day. Convince a person to book a holiday that day (3 essence). Chance of Invocation: 3 Invocation Modifiers: +1 - A tacky souvenir bought on holiday +2 - Photo album containing 50 or more holiday photos +3 - At a major airport during holiday season +4 - $1,000 (or equivalent) in travellers cheques +5 - Hand-wrtten travellers journal, detailing at least 12 months of travel +6 - Over 2,000 tourists in one place Richie H-R - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:26:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Intellectual Property, Derivative Works and IN-Community Etiquette At 8:23 AM -0600 8/9/01, Julian Mensch wrote: >[...] So I put some italic text at the top noting that this >aspect of the writeup is adapted from other authors' work, and gave credit >where it was due. I certainly don't want to steal others' work! My question, >then, is whether this is sufficient. For something of mine _that has appeared "publically"_*, it would be, though if it's on a web-page, a URL link would be nice. > Would it be more appropriate to e-mail every author you draw something >from privately and let them know? Depends on the authors; if you think someone might be upset, then it's a good idea to check. If you think that it's someone who'd be tickled... O:> >What about with web-works? Is it acceptable to include (with credit) >others' mechanics in the work, or should it just include referances, as it >must with canon works? This would be very awkward for a printed file, having >web links and mailing-list archive numbers as referances. This is true... If you are quoting direct text, then.... Hm, well, if it were me, I'd probably feel a little better if there were at least a token asking of permission. (Or some footnote marking -- footnotes like "Foo's Quaddie attunement was drawn from Beth's work, while Froboz's Quatro Distinction was inspired by her Cinco attunement" would work for me.**) And as Moe notes, telling people about stuff is always cool in the sense of, "Hey, neat take on that!" O:> (* See, I've got some stuff that I don't show to just anyone. If you don't ask me about _that_ stuff, I will be very upset and take down web-pages and stuff.) (** But then, footnotes would. I mean, English Major*** and all that.) (*** Yes, I know I can't spell without a spell-checker. I used it a lot. People get my computer when they pry it from my smoking dead hands...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:37:37 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Angel of Sanity "Noman" Outcast Seraph of the Metatron and Blandine The Angel of Sanity Cor-2 Str-4 Agil-4 Eth-5 Intelligence-10 Precision-10 Cel-6 Will-12 Per-12 Artifacts: Flaming sword 3/ Vessel: Human Male (Charisma +2) 4/ Role: Noman Augustus Fenicklestein, Travelling Do Gooder 2/ Skills: Psychology 6/, Langauges (French 3/, Italian 3/, Latin 2/, German 3/, Chinese 3/, Greek 2/, Ancient Greek 3/), Fighting 3/, Weapon (Flaming Sword) 3/, Medicine (Mental) 6/ Song: Dream (Ethereal 2/, Celestial 3/), Form (Celestial 3/), Harmony (Corporeal 3/, Ethereal 6/, Celestial 3/), Healing (Corporeal 3/, Ethereal 6), Motion (Celestial 5/) Attunements: Seraph of the the Word, Seraph of Dreams, Analyze Psychosis, Divine Logic, Dream of Sanity, Dream Walk, Voice of Will Seraph of the Word: Allows him to speak truthfully and have anyone who hears it know he's telling the truth instinctively or at least his perception of it. Analyze Psychosis: Simply any psychosis by it's effects can be analyzed and treatment discerned. Divine Logic: A gift from Yves for his faithful service. Dream of Sanity: Allows with the expenditure of a point of Will to create a dream world where they're issues can be resolved with a series of contested will, medicine, and psychology rolls to cure an insanity. Voice of Will: Effectively the Angel can compell an angel's obediance to any action that does not violate his ethical code by claiming the Will of God. A attunement of the Metatron's from many years back. Special Rites * Alleviate someone's mental anguish significantly * Cure someone of Insanity +2 Word Forces: 13-15 Noman has memories of passion unbridled of justice most fierce and truth insilating every aspect of his form when he was the consort of Gabriel and the Angel of true Perception of the World. They had seen each other and he had been a she then with a seeress's form that had been greatly attracted to the Revelator's ability to bring forth the true message of God that he alone was privy to with perhaps only Yves as an exception. When the Metatron fell though the task of dictating the Lord's word fell to Gabriel and they drifted apart with the angel of sanity entering the service of Blandine who could appreciate the titanic feeling of seperation from one's love. In truth the being who would take the name Noman could not give her love to Gabriel anymore out of the twisted word strife that was occuring due to the horrors of the Fall and the sudden influx of so many people who saw things "wrong". It was centuries until the trial which sent the next shimmers of word shock through his word and caused him just as much agony. The madness of Gabriel drove the angel thus to shatter his heart and seek out a cure for his beloved's madness. Effectively he could not stomach Heaven's reaction to his lover's action. Shamed by the necessity of it she changed her persona to that of a man's to represent paternal nuturing and took the name Noman to represent that he was no one until he had recovered his Lady's mind. Only then will he allow himself to face restitution for his crimes. Surprisingly Noman does not particularly believe that Belial is solely the cause of her affliction but has diagnosed his beloved with a variety of "stress based contributing factors" including the fact that the Metatron is no longer present to dictate the Lord's commands, the absence of Uriel, the burden of Illuminating the World without Lucifer, and quite possibly Raphael's duties. Litheroy's elevation Noman whole heartedly supported as best he could and believes it's a step in the right direction for curing his lady of extreme overwork. Khalid's return is equally pleasing because of the support Noman believes he can give the Lady and also he believes an affimation of Muhammedian Islam will greatly cut down Gabriel's feelings of abandonment. His part in either of these events is best left to subjectivity. The restoration of the Temple Mount to the service of Fire and rediscovery of the Bethlehem tether is a current project of Nomans who believes that the Lady will feel greatly comforted by these physical reminders of her roots. Noman is unfortunately extremely hunted by Dominic who views the word bound's self taken outcasting as an extremely bad example of neglecting one's duties and considers him one of the first causalities of Gabriel's madness affecting servants of other angels than fire. If not for the fact that Noman is remarkably adept at concealing himself and convincing servitors of Judgement to speak with him before they bring him to a tether he would have been caught long ago. Dominic is currently viewing also a number of his actions as an outcast included repeated contact with demons as grounds for soul-killing though Noman considers them necessary for his cause and also his duty as an angel of sanity. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism An interesting idea, but he seems more appropriate as a high-ranking Servitor of Trade to me (Master level Distinction, definitely). I like the Tourist Attraction Attunement, though. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2001 15:26:29 +0100 From: "Richard C Hanton-Rutherford" Subject: Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism > An interesting idea, but he seems more appropriate as a >high-ranking Servitor of Trade to me (Master level >Distinction, definitely). I like the Tourist Attraction >Attunement, though. Martin was originally going to be the Angel of Tourism in the service of Marc, but one character wasn't big enough to include all of the elements I thought the angel of tourism should contain. I wanted someone who could act as a guide to tourists (like Mercurians of Martin), remove "undesirable elements" from tourist centres (like Malakim) and act as Celestial travel agents (Seraphim). I also decided that there were too many major tourist sites on earth for one angel, even a powerful one with the Celestial song of Motion to a high level, to coordinate successfully (and I certainly couldn't think of a reason why he'd spend all of his time in Liverpool, where my game is set), so I made him into an archangel. The idea is that he's essentially a high leve l Trade servitor who's been very recently promoted due to the enormous popularity and scope of his word, but still tends to think of himself as a trade servitor. If you're still not convinced, though, persuade a coupe of players to play Malakim of Martin, and send them to the airport looking for drug smugglers. It's an adventure in itself. Richie H-R - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism - --- Richard C Hanton-Rutherford wrote: > > An interesting idea, but he seems more appropriate as > a > >high-ranking Servitor of Trade to me (Master level > >Distinction, definitely). I like the Tourist Attraction > >Attunement, though. > > Martin was originally going to be the Angel of Tourism > in the service of Marc, but one character wasn't big > enough to include all of the elements I thought the angel > of tourism should contain. That's why the bigger and badder Word-bound have Servitors of their own. > If you're > still not convinced, though, persuade a coupe of players > to play Malakim of Martin, and send them to the airport > looking for drug smugglers. It's an adventure in itself. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:13:49 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: IN> Vaputech Go to http://www.gamespy.com/dailyvictim/index.asp and see if it doesn't give you ideas.... - -- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:21:27 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism Martin was originally going to be the Angel of Tourism in the service of Marc, but one character wasn't big enough to include all of the elements I thought the angel of tourism should contain. BTW, I love what you did with creating him. This does bring up a question about the Word-bound angels, can they give distinctions and abilities like Archangles, or are such abilities only for Superiors? Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism - --- Jeffery Watkins wrote: > This does bring up a question about the Word-bound > angels, can they give > distinctions and abilities like Archangles, or are such > abilities only for Superiors? All Word-bound have one or more Rites which they can choose to share (or not) with other Celestials. Those with more powerful Words may also be able to grant Servitor Attunements (I allow no more than three, and only really strong Words get that many). Choir/Band Attunements and Distinctions are the sole province of Superiors. Words also come with Dissonance conditions. Non-Superiors can't impose their Dissonance conditions on other Celestials -- but IMC, they can make the voluntary acceptance of those Dissonance conditions a prerequisite for granting their Rites and/or Attunements. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 What came first -- the orange, or the color? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 2001 22:43:12 +0100 From: "Richard C Hanton-Rutherford" Subject: Re: IN> The Archangel of Tourism >This does bring up a question about the Word-bound angels, can they >give >distinctions and abilities like Archangles, or are such abilities only for >Superiors? Good question. I assumed that only Archangels can bestow ablities, distinctions, dissonance conditions etc., as I've never even any canon examples of a Word-bound servitor having that ability. However, it does make sense that a really powerful Word-bound, whose word covers many lesser aspects, eg. tourism should be able to bestow Word specific attunements. To stick with the example, Marc's own attunements have little to do with the tourist trade; servitors of Martin, even if he was just a powerful WB, would still require choir and servitor attunements more specific to tourism. Richie H-R - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:18:51 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: IN> Recruiting Project First, check out http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/20939.html (Basically, it's about laid off dotcom workers being encouraged to forget their problems and go to summer camp. Recessioncamp.com, which was itself set up by two former Internet high-fliers, is offering activities like hiking and golf to the casualties of the dotcom recession.) So . . . - --- Baal stared thoughtfully at the heavy metal door in front of him. It was scarred with bullet-pocks, acid-marks, explosive backblasts, and dented in the middle. Painted on it was the slogan, HELLDESK X9999: ONLY PHONE THE OPERATOR IF YOU WANT TO DIE PAINFULLY AFTER HAVING YOUR FILES DELETED AND YOUR PORN SCANS MAILED TO THE LOCAL SHEDIM ANONYMOUS. "Correct me if I am wrong," he said, "but I have the impression that the Vapulan assigned to monitor the system is not as efficient as he might be." "Wouldn't say a word against him," brown-nosed a helpful Impudite. "Great guy. Really helpful. Why, he gave me a direct connection to Andre.net . . ." Baal returned his gun to its holster, as the Impudite's brains dripped slowly onto his fizzing monitor. "We need more amenable technicians. And sysops. And whatever they're calling themselves these days. Fortunately, I have an idea as to where we can find some easily trainable ones -- and ones that the Forces of Good will never think to look for . . ." - --- Laurence inspected the heavy wooden door. As with all doors in his Cathedral, it had an elegant cross carved into the wood, providing the only decoration. Below the cross was taped a small yet tasteful notice: HELPDESK X9999: READ THE MANUAL FIRST AND DO NOT DISTURB THE SYSTEM OPERATOR UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, FOR EFFICIENCY. "And," he inquired of the Seraph coiled next to him, "you tell me that he deleted all your files of sword-wielding angelic art because they were "clogging up the server"?" The Seraph shrugged virtuously. "I only asked him for more color ink for the printer because I wasn't getting proper flesh tones." "He does do his best to be helpful and efficient," stated a Malakite, trying to look disinterested. "Yes, he organizes those online battle net things for you, doesn't he?" asked the Seraph. "Absolutely. Very useful," murmured the Malakite, radiating innocence, as did several other Malakim near him. Behind him, his monitor chimed, and an elderly man's voice droned, "Stay a while, and listen!" "Leaving all this beside," Laurence said enthusiastically, "I believe that I have a plan which will increase our server support, and will let our friend from Jean behind that door have the spare time he needs to assist on the helpdesk. I have a source of potential recruits, and one which the forces of Hell will never think of . . ." - --- All right. We have a holiday camp full of ex-dotcommers. We have two separate recruiting teams (one Laurencian, one Baalite) approaching from different directions, with no idea that the other will be there. We have holiday camp activities ongoing. And does anyone really think that Jean and Vapula _won't_ have agents there, or that Jean and Vapula won't be a touch less than happy about Baal and Laurence trying to get round the exclusive service contracts? Not to mention the high likelihood of Doom, Quake, or Diablo ethereals forming spontaneously in such a neighborhood . . . Genevieve - --- ("But, most worthy Prince of the War, I was just trying to fit in with them and join in their games, the better to tempt them later -- I didn't _really_ try to kill a computer image of you! That is, it wasn't deliberate disrespect . . .") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Recruiting Project - --- Genevieve Cogman wrote: > ("But, most worthy Prince of the War, I was just > trying to fit in with them > and join in their games, the better to tempt them > later -- I didn't _really_ > try to kill a computer image of you! That is, it > wasn't deliberate > disrespect . . .") Will people STOP posting this stuff while I'm drinking soda? Cleaning off the keyboard is a pain in the fundament*. :) Moe *BTW... "Sir, there's something odd going on with the quarterly projections..." "Oh?" "Yes. There's been a small, yet noteworthy discrepancy between estimated applicants for public assistance and actual ones in job categories 23-a2, 23-a3 and 23-a4 - yet there is no corresponding increase in employment levels for the same categories. I've isolated out all primary and secondary variables, and all but the most absurd tertiary ones, too." "Never ignore the absurd, Greenspaniel, never ignore the absurd: it's the only way to make sense of my Word. Still, it _is_ interesting - have you correlated this data with the Disturbance Index?" "Of course, sir: that's why I'm here. The numbers are dovetailing ... if you isolate out activities common to the Sword and the War." "Laurence and Baal are recruiting, eh? His Nibs should really let me know when he's playing in my sandbox - but you didn't hear that." "Hear what, sir?" "Precisely. Anyway, get Zaddie on the line and tell her that we'll need some of her boys and girls to go play dot.com refugees for a while. Can't let Baal think that he can poach on _my_ turf without paying the proper user fees, after all..." ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 07/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2331 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.