From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Thu Oct 9 10:51:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27813 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:51:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA22654 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:34:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:34:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199710091434.JAA22654@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #396 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, October 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 396 In this digest: Re: IN> Band Attunements Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> On playing demons Re: IN> What do we mean when we say "evil"? Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> On Playing Evil RE: IN> Fates and Destinies Re: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor Re: IN> material IN> St. Bridget/Bride in In Nomine IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor Re: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor Re: IN> What do we mean when we say "evil"? Re: IN> backwards IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor Re: IN> backwards Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies Re: IN> backwards ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 03:36:38 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Band Attunements On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:03:16 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > I think it's been said that generally, >not. However, Druiel has a Choir Attunement from Laurence (who he's >in service to), so there's at least precident for loaners, at a minimum. > > I think that's where I saw it. >Superiors break the rules when they want to. If Yves wants to spend >the extra time and effort to give that attunement without breaking >the previous bonds ["I can *too* figure out the gameworld explanations!"] >then he will do so. But it probably shouldn't be a "just points" thing; >the Game Master has to believe that it's going to enhance the >campaign when it happens. Certainly, though that's true of any non-automatic power grant: anything not available from your own AA/DP is a special case granted at whatever cost the GM thinks is right. IAC, canonically, then, CA's can be granted exceptionally. I think this is a Good Thing, myself. FWIW, I think I'd recommend 20 points as a guideline for buying a superior's Choir/Band Attunement. Often they're very powerful, giving you another way to use your C/B resonance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:52:08 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> backwards > >Take the basic assumptions, and reverse them. God is bad, Hell is > >good, the Ethereals are older than both, and Haggenati flosses. > > The Computer is Your Friend. }:-{D People have proposed Heaven as Alpha Complex... > Yeah, if this is on-line, I'll bite. Unfortunately, the best you are going to do (AFAIK) is the In Nomine digests - I put some of my ideas on the list a while ago, as have Oops and Em (and whoever posted the idea of Angels being demons that God improved - I liked the idea, I forget your name). Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:52:08 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> backwards > > > If someone would explain what is meant by 'backwards' in this > > > case, I'd be glad to give it a try. > > > > Take the basic assumptions, and reverse them. God is bad, Hell is > > good, the Ethereals are older than both, and Haggenati flosses. > > Actually, one of the scariest setups I've come up with started with > "What if Haagenti isn't stupid, but is just acting..." Well, do tell, do tell. Though I doubt *any* of the superiors are stupid - nobody who's dumb survives long at the top, especially in Hell. I see Saminga as cultivating the dumb image, and maybe even doing it well enough that the others believe that his success is just dumb luck. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:02:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> On playing demons On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > In the IN universe, is it really -possible- to have a final victory? [snip] > --- Dark Victory, a story of After the Apocalypse You know, I really, really hate you. You write so much better than I can... ;) Seriously, it was a great story. I may even use it, if I ever decide to run a post-Armageddon chronicle. If you ever run a PBEM game, I want in. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:59:26 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> What do we mean when we say "evil"? > > > > Damned souls are in Hell for a *reason*. They are evil - > > > > not just kinda bad, > > > > > > Where do kinda bad people go? > > > > They're reincarnated, according to canon. > > Only if they could've been worse. If kinda bad is their lowest > point, they burn. (Well, assuming they go to Sheol, anyway.) Personally, I dislike the "mediocre destiny" bit from canon anyway - it does end up with dumb things like that... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:28:54 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> backwards >> Yeah, if this is on-line, I'll bite. > >Unfortunately, the best you are going to do (AFAIK) is the In Nomine >digests - I put some of my ideas on the list a while ago, as have >Oops and Em (and whoever posted the idea of Angels being demons that >God improved - I liked the idea, I forget your name). No, no, no, I mean the game (if any) you're talking about. If it can be done by IRC or MUCK, I'll consider it. However, since the odds of any of y'all living in San Antonio are zilch... *shrug* RL play for me is rather difficult without a working car. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "Don't tell me, I'm keen to http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | guess... you only know how c/o White Lightning Productions | to play fighting games, right?" http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | --- Baal, playing Super Puzzle Webmaster for Antarctic Press | Fighter Turbo with Michael http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:22:45 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> backwards >> (* Double Back Flip Flying F*** Into a Lukewarm Pool Of Lime Green >> Jello) > >But this was inspired. Now if I could only learn how to spout stuff >like this, verbally, I'd be happy. A lot more insulting, but >happy... > >(Does Kobal have an attunement for that, and will he give it to >soldiers?) Actually, no. This is a rite of , the Demon of Gratuitous Profanity, a Calabite in service to Nybbas, whose job it is to de-sensitize humanity to profanity and introduce even more profane concepts and phrases in such a fashion as to make them 'cool', thereby spreading a thin black stain across the collective souls of all humanity. }:-{D (Rite: spout a phrase both profane and creative, limit once a day, +2 if the phrase is totally original to the speaker and has not been used by him before) Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "Don't tell me, I'm keen to http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | guess... you only know how c/o White Lightning Productions | to play fighting games, right?" http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | --- Baal, playing Super Puzzle Webmaster for Antarctic Press | Fighter Turbo with Michael http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:59:26 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> On Playing Evil > >None of that is stuff I'd play IN to (except maybe as music in a > >bar). What's Vena Cava (excuse the heathen...). > > I brought it up in an earlier (brief) thread on music for > IN. Vena Cava is an album by Diamanda Galas. She's an incredible > singer, one whom I've been fortunate enough to see live. Vena Cava > is one of her harsher albums, including some amazing vocal ranges > and glossolalia (speaking in tongues). I don't know that I'd > actually use Vena Cava for a whole adventure - some of her less > disturbing stuff might be good for softer moments. Hmmm - do you know where I could get a sample sound file? Preferably one that doesn't require beating my computer in a vain attempt to get a plugin to work... > >> (Ah...memories of the Robotech game at a con long ago > >> where our mission commander decided to enslave the local > >> population we were liberating. Joy.) > > > >There is one bonus to playing in a game with these people - you have > >an opponent who isn't likely to pull punches like a GM will. And no > >matter who wins, you're out of the situation you didn't like... > > Actually, he wasn't really my opponent. We didn't really > have time to deal with him, since we had to oppose an Invid > advance, or some such. It was just a disturbing abuse of power. Hmmm - playing at a con is annoying, because you don't usually have time to ax somebody who is being dumb. Longer games, though, tend to be more self-regulating (at least, in my experience). Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:20:10 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: RE: IN> Fates and Destinies Stacy Stroud said: >The idea of Fates/Destinies carrying over from life to life may give us a >clue why some humans in IN are reincarnated after death, while others are >completely recycled back into the Symphony. Perhaps some Fates/Destinies >are event-specific, and *can't* be repeated endlessly. Those people might >then be disbanded and recycled upon death, if their Fate/Destiny is not >met. Or perhaps the distinction is based more on the human's own actions. >Someone who has at least made progress in one direction or another may be >reincarnated, while someone who went through life with completely untapped >potential is recycled. Or some combination of the two may be in operation. I am under the impression that rising to one's destiny and sinking to one's fate are both difficult tasks. Rising to one's destiny seems to be along the lines of self-actualization. "A person's destiny is the brightest goal he cna hope to accomplish, his potential to shine, to affect the Symphony on a scale few angels will ever attain. It's very rare when a human rises to the challenge of a great destiny, but the forces of good rejoice when it happens." "Many people, of course, die without falling to fate or touching destiny. And some seem to reach both their fate and destiny." Ah-HA! I see where this was going! "Those who do both [reach fate and destiny], or manage neither, will possible be reincarnated to try again. Or their Forces will be disbanded and their souls will be gone forever." IN pg 67 Wow, that's a powerful statement: their Forces will be disbanded and their souls will be gone forever. Wow... So, yeah, maybe souls that haven't reached either will be rejected or shunted back to earth to try again. *Shudder* the implications are tremendous. My destiny and fate might be that of someone of long ago. Or, rather, I'm that same person. This allows a lot of room for exploring past-lives and such. This is some neat stuff. - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd "Remember! Napalm sticks to kids!" "You are my secret concubine, why are you in my gaming group?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 04:10:35 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:23:38 -0500 (CDT), redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) wrote: >Here's a corundrum for Those Who Know. > >A Tether has a Seneschal to watch over it, right? > >No Seneschal, no Tether. Not necessarily. Recall from IN that Tethers sometimes appear spontaneously due to human actions. Such a Tether wouldn't have a Seneschal immediately. >However, servitors of Janus and Valefor cannot stay in the same area (let's >say a twenty mile radius, since 'area' isn't specified anywhere in the IN >Rulebook). > >How can a Servitor of either of these Superiors anchor and consecrate a >Tether, much less stick around to watch over it? Several possibilities occur: Their Tethers are mobile. For example, Valefor might have a cruise ship Tether where the Casino has an extra high probability of winning. The QE2 might be a Tether of Janus. An 18 wheeler might be a viable Tether, or a train or plane. Since Seneschals *can* leave their Tethers, they might have other strong celestials to protect their Tether in their absence. IN says that the Seneschal will immediately know of any attack on his Tether, and the Seneschal isn't going to be slow. A requirement for a Seneschal of Janus or Valefor might by Celestial Song of Motion/6 so they can get back in a round or two. If the Seneschal is a Kyriotate, he can rotate forces in and out of the Tether, always out of it, but always in it. A last possibility is that while a Tether is owned by Janus or Valefor-- it's tethered to his Cathedral or Principality--they "hire" a Seneschal from their allies. For Janus, the most likely Seneschals would be from David, Garbriel and Michael; for Valefor, Andrealphus. All these appear to be canonical possibilities, possibly excepting the mobile Tether. >Now, if Janus and Valefor can't -have- tethers this is all rather moot. }:-{D ) That help? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:54:33 +1000 From: Jason Mulligan Subject: Re: IN> material Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > No spoilers! Maya just sent me a copy, and I am devouring it slowly, > trying to make it last... > > But yes, from the first few chapters... Well, I've already met the > "Lilim" ("She'll owe me a big favour? What are we waiting for!")... > This looks to be a good book. I've read somewhere that Neil is trying to/is involved in getting Neverwhere made into a US backed feature film. Although with the film version some of the restrictions of the BBC version will be able to be bypassed I fear that it will be homogenized in the remaking. When I first saw it, my instant thought was that this would make a way-cool rpg. Never did anything about it though. - -- Jason Mulligan "The path of my life is strewn with cowpats from the devil's own satanic herd!" - Edmund Blackadder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:21:24 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> St. Bridget/Bride in In Nomine This is one of the better-thought-out proposals I've seen for an ethereal/celestial union. I like it. I can't imagine Novalis would be happy about Bride's destructive intentions towards Dominic, though. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:21:23 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor Well, first of all, I don't think a Tether HAS to have a Seneschal -- it would just be awfully vulnerable and probably not last long if it doesn't. But with regards to Janus and Valefor, I'll bet they can give special dispensations to their Seneschals (either that or they appoint a "team" of Seneschals that take turns standing Seneschal-duty). - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 23:46:01 PDT From: "Chris Jackson" Subject: Re: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor > All these appear to be canonical possibilities, possibly excepting the > mobile Tether. > Isn't there a mobile tether to Valefor in the marches? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:48:26 +0100 From: "cd skogsberg" Subject: Re: IN> What do we mean when we say "evil"? Kingsley Lintz wrote: > cd wisely pointed out; > > > Torture is horrible PERIOD. If torture isn't wrong, I don't know > > > what is. > > 2+2=5. > [applause] (and chortles) Thank you. I feel that too much depressive discussion isn't good for you. (This from someone who lives in *Sweden*, I hear you cry. True.) cd Celestial MPD case. - -- "And it has come to pass that the Lord of the Woods, being ... Seven and nine, down the onyx steps ... (tri)butes to Him in the Gulf, Aza- thoth, He of Whom Thou hast taught us marv(els ..." - H. P. Lovecraft, _The Whisperer in Darkness_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:57:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> backwards > > > Take the basic assumptions, and reverse them. God is bad, Hell is > > > good, the Ethereals are older than both, and Haggenati flosses. > > Actually, one of the scariest setups I've come up with started with > > "What if Haagenti isn't stupid, but is just acting..." > Well, do tell, do tell. Though I doubt *any* of the superiors are > stupid - nobody who's dumb survives long at the top, especially in 'Course, Haagenti had Kobal's help, and it'd be just Kobal's sense of humor to get someone as bestial as Haagenti seems into high office like that... (Then again, Haagenti could BE Kobal, in a rubber suit, but I'm hard pressed to find a Superior anywhere that doesn't have a good case for actually being Kobal. He gets around. Hey...what if Kobal is EVERYBODY? Except the PCs? You've got, like, four people in the entire universe who aren't in on the joke...nah. Be creepy, though.) {MaBarry has been absolutely plagued of late with the conviction that Kobal and Lilith are the same being, but I think that would necessitate that if someone squeezes Lilith's breast, they get squirted with water...so Andre, at least, would know.} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:14:22 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies What movie would any given Superior go to watch? (This started out as humor, but became a more serious consideration as it went.) BLANDINE - Explorers. She likes the dream sequence and substitutes angels for the aliens. Nice, friendly non-threatening fun. DAVID - Reservoir Dogs. DOMINIC - Twelve Angry Men. ELI - Um, what was that thing, it opened last Friday, with John Travolta, an' Bugs Bunny, an' the talkin' ape, an' the exploding walrus? That was sooo cool, man... oh, wait, those were all, like, different shows, right? GABRIEL - Falling Down. (Needless to say, her take on the movie is skewed from virtually anybody else's.) JANUS - Thelma & Louise. JEAN - Adventures in Space, at the IMAX. He goes to heckle the narration. JORDI - Wouldn't go, but if he did he would be so P. O.'d at Babe. OTOH, he'd probably like Free Willy.... LAURENCE - The Star Wars Trilogy, Special Edition. He didn't care about the new graphics, he just loved being around people enjoying the hell out of a nice, simple morality play. Plus he has a real lightsaber. MARC - Hasn't been since he was so badly dissapointed by Other People's Money. MICHAEL - Glory. NOVALIS - Oh, look, they're showing 'Yellow Submarine' down at the college art house. YVES - Apollo 13. (A true case of humanity, under stress, reaching their highest potential.) ANDREALPHUS - Showgirls. (It was his idea, after all...) ASMODEUS - The Fugitive (a beautiful movie spoiled by a bad ending). BAAL - Casualties of War. (Michael J. Who? I came to see the natives get blasted.) BELETH - Anything by Wes Craven. BELIAL - Volcano. (Good idea. Only fifty more years, and I can make it happen.) HAAGENTI - Anything with Chevy Chase in it. KOBAL - It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. (And it is, too.) KRONOS - Hamlet. A royal family self destructs. Beautiful. LILITH - BraveHeart. Wonder if Mel Gibson needs anything.... yum. MALPHAS - Hey, I'd love to go to watch 'The Lost World' with you, but I promised Kobal I'd give 'Batman and Robin' a shot... you understand, don't you? NYBBAS - Star Trek V. (Or, alternately, 'Batman and Robin.') SAMINGA - Doesn't go. Doesn't care. Until they do a documentary about every possible way to kill a man, he could care less about how the movies show them- ugh!- living. VALEFOR - Hey, look, the new Lupin the 3rd movie is out! ... whaddya mean you don't speak Japanese? Oh, all right... let's do the Broken Arrow thing... * VAPULA - Species. (Hmmm, that looks familiar.... must check my notes and see if someone's been smuggling copies to Burbank....) (* For those who don't watch anime. Lupin III (or Rupan in the US) is a comic book, '80s TV series, and movie series in Japan starring a lecherous, playful 'gentleman thief,' grandson of the French thief Arsene Lupin.) CHRISTOPHER - Fly Away Home. (Disney can still turn out heart warmers. Now if I could just get that money-grubber Eisner out of the hot seat.) FLEURITY - Dazed and Confused. (Hey! I thought this was about- oh, never mind...) FURFUR - Falling Down. (Scene at a rental counter- "I want-" "I want-" "YOU!!" "DIE, FOUL DEMON!" ***BOOM***) Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "Don't tell me, I'm keen to http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | guess... you only know how c/o White Lightning Productions | to play fighting games, right?" http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | --- Baal, playing Super Puzzle Webmaster for Antarctic Press | Fighter Turbo with Michael http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:17:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Chris Jackson wrote: > > > > All these appear to be canonical possibilities, possibly excepting the > > mobile Tether. > > > Isn't there a mobile tether to Valefor in the marches? Yep, and one to Eli. Both are only apparently active when their respective carnivals are stationary and in use, but that seems enough to get around the limitations of a servant of Valefor or Janus... - -- Scott Johnson | zagyg@io.com | This space intentionally left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies >BLANDINE - Explorers. She likes the dream sequence and substitutes angels >for the aliens. Nice, friendly non-threatening fun. Also, Fantasia... >GABRIEL - Falling Down. (Needless to say, her take on the movie is skewed >from virtually anybody else's.) I sort of imagine Gabriel as a bit of an action movie freak. Think how many of those involve vengeance for crimes against innocents. For another serious suggestion, what about The Crow? > >JANUS - Thelma & Louise. Easy Rider. > >JEAN - Adventures in Space, at the IMAX. He goes to heckle the narration. > Not Tron? No, really... >JORDI - Wouldn't go, but if he did he would be so P. O.'d at Babe. OTOH, >he'd probably like Free Willy.... Probably not, given the real backstory. I think Jordi sits at home and watches Nature on public television. >YVES - Apollo 13. (A true case of humanity, under stress, reaching their >highest potential.) On a related thought, did Forrest Gump reach his Fate, Destiny, or neither? I vote for neither. > >BAAL - Casualties of War. (Michael J. Who? I came to see the natives get >blasted.) Heck. Full Metal Jacket. >BELIAL - Volcano. (Good idea. Only fifty more years, and I can make it happen.) Don't forget the classics - Towering Inferno. >KOBAL - It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. (And it is, too.) Heathers. Definitely. >SAMINGA - Doesn't go. Doesn't care. Until they do a documentary about every >possible way to kill a man, he could care less about how the movies show >them- ugh!- living. I see Saminga chortling over the Faces of Death videos, with his servants unwilling to point out how obviously staged they are. > >CHRISTOPHER - Fly Away Home. (Disney can still turn out heart warmers. Now >if I could just get that money-grubber Eisner out of the hot seat.) Totoro! Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > What movie would any given Superior go to watch? > >[sniperooni!] > SAMINGA - Doesn't go. Doesn't care. Until they do a documentary about every > possible way to kill a man, he could care less about how the movies show > them- ugh!- living. > How about "Faces of Death" (or something like that--it could be "Masks of Death") which shows supposedly live footage of people getting killed? (Saminga: It's a comedy, isn't it?) Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:04:02 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies >On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >> What movie would any given Superior go to watch? >> >>[sniperooni!] >> SAMINGA - Doesn't go. Doesn't care. Until they do a documentary about every >> possible way to kill a man, he could care less about how the movies show >> them- ugh!- living. >> > >How about "Faces of Death" (or something like that--it could be "Masks of >Death") which shows supposedly live footage of people getting killed? >(Saminga: It's a comedy, isn't it?) > Because this is the first I've ever heard of 'Faces of Death.' Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "Don't tell me, I'm keen to http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | guess... you only know how c/o White Lightning Productions | to play fighting games, right?" http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | --- Baal, playing Super Puzzle Webmaster for Antarctic Press | Fighter Turbo with Michael http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:13:28 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies >>BLANDINE - Explorers. She likes the dream sequence and substitutes angels >>for the aliens. Nice, friendly non-threatening fun. > > Also, Fantasia... Fantasia is one for the 'mixed feelings' file. It's got some nice gentle parts, but other parts, Night on Bald Mountain in particular but also the Toccata & Fugue and Sorcerer's Apprentice are nightmare factories. >>GABRIEL - Falling Down. (Needless to say, her take on the movie is skewed >>from virtually anybody else's.) > > I sort of imagine Gabriel as a bit of an action movie freak. Think >how many of those involve vengeance for crimes against innocents. For >another serious suggestion, what about The Crow? Wish I'd thought of it before. Definitely The Crow. >>JANUS - Thelma & Louise. > > Easy Rider. Both valid. Any buddy movie where the buddies cause/are in trouble would work here. >>JEAN - Adventures in Space, at the IMAX. He goes to heckle the narration. >> > Not Tron? No, really... Definitely not Tron. It's beneath his dignity. >>JORDI - Wouldn't go, but if he did he would be so P. O.'d at Babe. OTOH, >>he'd probably like Free Willy.... > > Probably not, given the real backstory. I think Jordi sits at home >and watches Nature on public television. Unlikely- down here where I live, you have to be in town to pick up the public channels. >>YVES - Apollo 13. (A true case of humanity, under stress, reaching their >>highest potential.) > > On a related thought, did Forrest Gump reach his Fate, Destiny, or >neither? I vote for neither. Forrest Gump's Destiny was to be a renowned philosopher and statesman. Gump's Fate was to spend his life institutionalized or homeless, pitied but otherwise ignored for his mental handicap. Gump ended up as a successful local businessman. In my book, he came closer to Destiny than Fate. >>BAAL - Casualties of War. (Michael J. Who? I came to see the natives get >>blasted.) > > Heck. Full Metal Jacket. Maybe, although I think this one in particular would be too positive. 'All Quiet on the Western Front' would be better. >>KOBAL - It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. (And it is, too.) > > Heathers. Definitely. > Heathers. Hm. The thing here is, I don't have a clue as to what was -funny- about this movie. Sort of like Arachnophobia, whose humor quality lay 100% in John Goodman, but which was advertised as a 'thrill-omedy.' Maybe it's just me. >>CHRISTOPHER - Fly Away Home. (Disney can still turn out heart warmers. Now >>if I could just get that money-grubber Eisner out of the hot seat.) > > Totoro! > Also good. Also Kiki's Delivery Service and Whispers of the Wind. Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | "Don't tell me, I'm keen to http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | guess... you only know how c/o White Lightning Productions | to play fighting games, right?" http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | --- Baal, playing Super Puzzle Webmaster for Antarctic Press | Fighter Turbo with Michael http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:48:31 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> backwards > >> (* Double Back Flip Flying F*** Into a Lukewarm Pool Of Lime Green > >> Jello) > > > >But this was inspired. Now if I could only learn how to spout stuff > >like this, verbally, I'd be happy. A lot more insulting, but > >happy... > > > >(Does Kobal have an attunement for that, and will he give it to > >soldiers?) > > (Rite: spout a phrase both profane and creative, limit once a day, > +2 if the phrase is totally original to the speaker and has not > been used by him before) As a rite, it's useless to me...I need to be able to do it first, before I can get the essence. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:48:31 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> backwards > >> Yeah, if this is on-line, I'll bite. > > > >Unfortunately, the best you are going to do (AFAIK) is the In Nomine > >digests - I put some of my ideas on the list a while ago, as have > >Oops and Em (and whoever posted the idea of Angels being demons that > >God improved - I liked the idea, I forget your name). > > No, no, no, I mean the game (if any) you're talking about. Oh - that. Long night + no coffee = lowered perception. > If it can be done by IRC or MUCK, I'll consider it. Well, I've got a neat idea behind it, which could be done over the internet (probably over Shadowlands, because it is built for stuff like that). Basically, the people who play are Superiors (and high ranking Ethereals?), giving orders to the lower ranks of Celestials, who are players in other gaming groups. Of course, summoning a superior is going to be troublesome... > However, since the odds of any of y'all living in San Antonio are > zilch... *shrug* RL play for me is rather difficult without a > working car. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:13:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies > JEAN - Adventures in Space, at the IMAX. He goes to heckle the narration. I think you nailed him on that one. > LAURENCE - The Star Wars Trilogy, Special Edition. He didn't care about the > new graphics, he just loved being around people enjoying the hell out of a > nice, simple morality play. Plus he has a real lightsaber. See also John Wayne movies. > MARC - Hasn't been since he was so badly dissapointed by Other People's Money. Or he's too busy chuckling over the returns on his investments. Of course, I don't have a high opinion of Marc and would vote for "Wall Street". > MICHAEL - Glory. Or a Clint Eastwood movie. > ANDREALPHUS - Showgirls. (It was his idea, after all...) Don't forget Rocky Horror! > BAAL - Casualties of War. (Michael J. Who? I came to see the natives get > blasted.) My vote would be Apocalypse Now. Baal does have a twisted sense of honor, remember? > BELETH - Anything by Wes Craven. Well, not "Shocker". That had to do with Nybbas. Silence of the Lambs had to rank up there for her. > BELIAL - Volcano. (Good idea. Only fifty more years, and I can make it happen.) Firestarter- "Ooh! A cute little girl that makes things go BOOM when she's mad..." > HAAGENTI - Anything with Chevy Chase in it. Basket Case. He identifies with the little brother. > KOBAL - It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. (And it is, too.) I've got to go with Heathers here. > KRONOS - Hamlet. A royal family self destructs. Beautiful. How about Spellbinder? > NYBBAS - Star Trek V. (Or, alternately, 'Batman and Robin.') Pretty close. I'd say whatever was the most current release from a big studio. > SAMINGA - Doesn't go. Doesn't care. Until they do a documentary about every > possible way to kill a man, he could care less about how the movies show > them- ugh!- living. Faces of Death. Of course, his servants have to be careful not to laugh within earshot. > VAPULA - Species. (Hmmm, that looks familiar.... must check my notes and see > if someone's been smuggling copies to Burbank....) Alien 4. The only answer to the big meanies is bigger guns and cloning. > CHRISTOPHER - Fly Away Home. (Disney can still turn out heart warmers. Now > if I could just get that money-grubber Eisner out of the hot seat.) Barney tapes. He wants the kids watching at home with June and Ward about for everything works out fine and everyone loves you. And VCRs mean the kids don't have to stay up after their bedtimes to see the movie. > FURFUR - Falling Down. (Scene at a rental counter- "I want-" "I want-" > "YOU!!" "DIE, FOUL DEMON!" ***BOOM***) Phallus in Wonderland > Kris Overstreet, will write for food... Oops da Ogre, IMHO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:35:07 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor On Oct 8, 9:23pm, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > Subject: IN> Tethers to Janus or Valefor > Here's a corundrum for Those Who Know. > > A Tether has a Seneschal to watch over it, right? > > No Seneschal, no Tether. > > However, servitors of Janus and Valefor cannot stay in the same area (let's > say a twenty mile radius, since 'area' isn't specified anywhere in the IN > Rulebook). > > How can a Servitor of either of these Superiors anchor and consecrate a > Tether, much less stick around to watch over it? A) Superiors impose dissonance conditions depending on their nature. They can also relieve valued Servitors of the limitations as well. B) Tethers can reduce Dissonance... and who spends more time there than the Seneschal! C) Moving tethers are possible (there's an example in The Marches) D) Other odd situations are possible depending on the GM (two or more senshcals for the same tether, perhaps the seneschal takes frequent breaks leaving the tether vulnerable, etc) So for 'A', a _very_ valuable servitor might get this, but I think Valefor or Janus would be reluctant to use this option (though it is possible). 'B' would be kinda interesting. The seneschal torn between his duties and his inner desires... sounds dangerous! 'C' won't work for you. One of the ideas behind 'D' could solve it neatly, however. Let's say the Seneschal is gone four days out of seven to avoid dissonance but fairly tough allies (and those who need to relieve dissonance of their own) guard it in his/her absence. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:39:34 -0400 From: "Chuck Ryan" Subject: Re: IN> backwards Well, I've got a neat idea behind it, which could be done over the internet (probably over Shadowlands, because it is built for stuff like that). Basically, the people who play are Superiors (and high ranking Ethereals?), giving orders to the lower ranks of Celestials, who are players in other gaming groups. Of course, summoning a superior is going to be troublesome... If you can work it out I would be very interested STYX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:51:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] Superiors at the Movies This is cool, but I have one major disagreement. > SAMINGA - Doesn't go. Doesn't care. Until they do a documentary about every > possible way to kill a man, he could care less about how the movies show > them- ugh!- living. Go to your video store. Look under "Cult Movies". Pick up "Faces of Death." There you go. - - Em, Balseraph, and Happy to Help ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:14 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> backwards > > Actually, one of the scariest setups I've come up with started with > > "What if Haagenti isn't stupid, but is just acting..." > > Well, do tell, do tell. Though I doubt *any* of the superiors are > stupid - nobody who's dumb survives long at the top, especially in > Hell. I see Saminga as cultivating the dumb image, and maybe even > doing it well enough that the others believe that his success is > just dumb luck. Actually, it's quite possible for extremely powerful people to be rather clueless or 'stupid' as long as their strengths outweigh that disadvantage. Saminga is very, very focused. Because of this, he's hard to tempt into things that leave him vulnerable. A DP that plays closer to the edge could be taken out. Viewing him as an very powerful, very resourceful, very compentent idiot is not impossible. With his sources of knowledge and sheer experience, he is probably quite capable of amazing feats of 'pseudo-intelligence' (you see this a lot in academia...), but presented with a new situation or a very subtle one, he'd probably miss a lot of the clues or fail to draw the correct conclusions. Since he has the habit of killing anyone that crosses him... when he finds out about it (and almost certainly he will due to the fact that Hell is _loaded_ with snitches and sneaks). - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #396 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.